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Blow to PM as Russia backtracks on Mugabe



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Published Date: 10 July 2008
GORDON Brown's hopes of having tough new sanctions imposed on Zimbabwe appeared to be unravelling last night, after Russia branded the plans "excessive."
Speaking at the end of the G8 summit in Japan, the Prime Minister said proposed United Nations' sanctions on the regime of Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe would mean there was "no safe haven and no hiding place" for his henchmen.

Britain also believed the UN Security Council – which will meet this weekend – was ready to ban arms sales to Zimbabwe and impose worldwide travel restrictions on, as well as freeze the bank accounts of Mr Mugabe and 13 of his aides.

Mr Brown said: "For the first time, we propose a UN arms embargo against Zimbabwe. That would ban the direct supply of arms; that would include weapons, military vehicles and equipment."

But it later emerged that Russia, despite signing up to the G8 statement expressing "grave concern" about the situation in Zimbabwe and refusing to accept the legitimacy of Mr Mugabe's government, was backtracking on UN sanctions.

Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian president, told a news conference "no concrete decisions" had been taken on further international action against Harare.

Then, Vitaly Churkin, Russia's ambassador to the UN, suggested measures in the draft Security Council resolution drawn up by the United States and Britain were outside the UN Charter.

"I personally believe that some elements of the draft are quite excessive, in fact incongruous and clearly in conflict with the notion of sovereignty of a state member of the United Nations, so some of these things have to be looked at very carefully," he said.

There are 15 members of the UN Security Council and nine votes are needed for resolutions to pass. But each of the five permanent members – Britain, the US, Russia, China and France – has a veto.

Speaking before Russia backtracked, Mr Brown said the G8 had been united in its condemnation of the violence from Mr Mugabe's supporters following the first presidential election in March – in which the opposition MDC gained a larger number of votes – and the rerun elections last month.

Morgan Tsvangirai, the MDC leader, withdrew from that second poll because of the murder of his party's supporters.

Mr Brown said: "The mood is outrage against what is happening in Zimbabwe, disgust at the behaviour of the Zimbabwe regime, an acceptance by all of them that this is an illegitimate regime that has got blood on its hands.

"We don't expect to get every country to support us on this, but we believe that we can gain sufficient support for this important resolution to be passed in the next few days."

The G8 statement also called for the appointment of a UN special envoy to Zimbabwe – a move seen as a rebuff for the mediation attempts of Thabo Mbeki, the South African president.

South Africa, which currently has a seat on the Security Council, has also come out firmly against sanctions, while the position of China is unclear.

Sir John Sawers, Britain's UN ambassador, said: "I think the Russians will need to think a little carefully about signing up to such a statement one day in the G8, and then blocking something which implements it in the Security Council a day or so later.

"We think it would be unwise for either Russia or China, after what they have said, and given the wider issues at stake, to block what is a very strongly held view, not just in Europe and the United States, but in many countries around Africa."

Medvedev apes Putin with tough talking

DMITRY Medvedev, Russia's new president, has adopted a hardline stance to negotiations that appear to confirm fears of him being a puppet of his predecessor, Vladimir Putin.

After replacing Mr Putin in May, one of his first tasks was to appoint him as prime minister – allowing him to retain a grip on power.

At the G8 summit this week, the mood of co-operation on a series of subjects, from climate change to international security, has seen Mr Medvedev adopt an uncompromising approach.

Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, was unable to achieve a breakthrough over oil giant BP's involvement in Russia, the closure of the British Council's offices in Russia or the extradition of Andrei Lugovoi, the man suspected of murdering in London in 2006 the ex-KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko.

It was their first meeting and Mr Brown said he had "raised all the difficult issues". A Kremlin spokesman described the talks as "extremely frank".

President George Bush has had similar difficulties. Mr Medvedev lashed out at US plans to extend its missile defence shield to Eastern Europe.

The Russian foreign ministry has promised a military response if an agreement signed by Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, to locate part of the missile system in the Czech Republic was ratified.

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  • Last Updated: 09 July 2008 11:32 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The G8 , Zimbabwe
 
1

The Great Deception,

10/07/2008 00:03:53
Why hasn't Alex Salmond gone to this G8 thing? I thought he was an international big man?
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The Great Deception,

10/07/2008 00:17:07
Good point number 2, I forgot they were pen-pals.

I think Alex Salmond fell out with him when even Mugabe couldn't be bothered writing back and making a new international friend.
4

Richardinho,

10/07/2008 00:21:13
Don't know what Gordon Brown is playing at.

Firstly, it's none of our business anyway.

Secondly, there's nothing we can do about it, and as this showed it's fruitless even trying to make meaningless gestures.

And thirdly, He's got far more important things to worry about at home with the economy.
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William Anchor,

10/07/2008 00:24:17
Alex Salmond probably thinks G8 is some trendy braw boy band.
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The Great Deception,

10/07/2008 00:38:11
7

He wrote 147 letters in total, I think 3 countries replied, the SNP target is to have another 5 countries working out who the hell he is in future.
8

bring them on,

10/07/2008 01:17:40
Clown Brown has it all worked out.

Even without Russia's backing, he plans to shake his fist and stick out his tounge at Mugabe.
9

lulach mac gille coemgain,

10/07/2008 01:20:09
Kick to kill !

Send young team in !
10

democracy,

Scottish Borders 10/07/2008 05:02:35
#1&2 you English folk living in Scotland are a huge joke, just as Brown is a huge joke, the PM of the UK declares a win against Mugabe, then Russia and China change their minds,what risks they take with the clout and might of the imperialist PM of UK........ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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TommyKaye,

UK 10/07/2008 05:32:52
Mugabe must be hiding behind his Elephant Skin sofa pi**ing himself with laughter that the great clunking fist of the one eyed son of the manse is about to swing through Zimbabwe and save the poor people.

It could be worse he could be running their economy.

Mugabe is a tyrant however at least they tried to have an election who elected our prime minister certainly not the people.
12

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

10/07/2008 05:45:29
12- They at least tried an election and allowed people to vote, just not get their to vote.

Labour don't let you even vote by POST!

BROWN A HYPOCRITE ANYONE?
13

Itchy,

10/07/2008 06:21:12
What a surprise that Russia does not want to take action against a Marxist government.
14

Charles.D,

Johannesburg 10/07/2008 07:21:40
The sanctions wont meen a thing to mad Bob he will just trot down to his big buddy "Mbeki" and get all he cant get from the West. Does any one think that S.Africa wont supply arms and amo to Zimbabwe? there are thousands of AK47's etc here the local bandits can purchase them for about R10 +/- 90p
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Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 10/07/2008 07:37:47
"Sanctions" hurt the ordinary people who are already starving then being murdered after a long chase in the dust by a pack of crazy people.

If anyone deserves to suffer an ignomious death it is the mad person in charge.
17

Jimmy the Pie,

10/07/2008 07:40:09
Number: 6,

As I've told you before, remember the old Scottish proverb,

"If you've nothing sensible to say, say nothing"

You make yourself out to be a complete, moronic, halfwit with your inane rambling drivel.
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Richard Taylor,

10/07/2008 07:42:05
No.6 & The Great Deception....talking to yourself???
;-)
19

McHoot,

Brisbane 10/07/2008 07:52:43
Sanctions only hurt the people. Think Iraq. These poor Zimbabweans have suffered enough. Don't make them suffer any more. That Mugabe monster will not feel sanctions. He'll still remain in his ghastly Louis 95th palace with his paranoia and madness.
There has to be another way of stopping the bathplug. Any sensible suggestions?
20

Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 10/07/2008 08:07:12
So a KGB prime minister is backtracking on a push for democracy, that's a surprise.
21

bluehead,

edinburgh 10/07/2008 08:07:40
every time I look at gordon brown,an old Scottish
farewell comes to mind--
Awa'in bile yir heid, ya baw-heided eejit
22

Louis Catorze,

10/07/2008 08:17:31
#10..."lulach mac gille coemgain".....is that Gaelic for c@ck or something?
23

11+failed,

the pans 10/07/2008 08:19:43
What is all this negativity on our brilliantly successful and charming Mr Brown?
Has he not freed us from the evils of boom and bust,doubled tax on the £12,000/A fat cats, made poverty history, annihilated generous company pension schemes, sold off these obscene gold reserves at a bargain price,taxed all these working class upstarts and pensioners that Thatcher encouraged to buy cars back onto the buses where they belong, now in the process of reducing the standard of living of all but MPs and perhaps his greatest success replaced the charismatic conman Tony Bliar with the dour, hardworking, gormless conman, Gordon Browm
24

M.Corleone,

2nd Vatican State...... Coatbridge 10/07/2008 08:28:11
C'mon boys...surely ye cannae be serious aboot "Big - blood on his hands anawe - Broon cos ah wanted ah joab as PM" being compared in favourable terms with someone as astute as Alex Salmond...... who is also a better tipster by the way.
25

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 10/07/2008 08:49:03
Nothing like a wee smokescreen to cover your own tracks Brown. Economy in ruins. Mediaeval poliical practices. New Labour at work. You'd think he has enough troubles at home to deal with than stick his nose into African affairs where he has a cat's chance in h3ll of doing anything at all.

Like his abortive trip to Jeddah, he shows his utter lack of political comprehension by a) detecting Russia has a few beefs about things British b) then asking them for their help. What was Medvedev supposed to do in a KGB-inspired gormless sort of way? D'oh. But he tries to use his son of the manse big moral position cobblers, which we've seen through already.

The latest 9million motorists affected is yet more proof of his or his government's utter inability to get figures right and tell the truth, something with which it seems he is ill-acquanted.

Still we could always arm Sir Bob and Bono to the teeth and tell them to get in there and get it sorted.
26

Anglofile,

10/07/2008 08:57:06
Picture above is GB saying "thumbs up if you think I'm a tw@t".

Zimbabwe is none of our business, so we should stay well away. Send Mugabe to coventry and be done with it.

.....and if the people from coventry don't want him, then......................who knows?
27

Paddi,

10/07/2008 09:21:01
That took all of 24 hours, Mr Brown a world statesman? He'll be lucky if the Pars vote him in next time.
28

Yeah1,

10/07/2008 09:34:14
#17 and #20:

"sanctions only hurt the ordinary people"

Perhaps you should have read the article properly before commenting, then you would realise that the proposed sanctions are specifically intended to only hurt Mugabe and his henchmen, not the ordinary people.

The sanctions imposed would be a ban on arms sales, a ban on Mugabe and some of his cohorts leaving the country, and the freezing of their bank accounts.

Clearly none of the above sanctions will hurt the 'ordinary' people.
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danielrober,

10/07/2008 09:36:30
Just do what you can PM, your the British Prime Minister, you don't have to carry the hopes of Europe. Good effort though.

Even at the height of appartite West Germany carried on investing in SA. At the time they claimed this was a sensible action so that SA would have somthing to build on when democracy finally returned to Southern Africa. Maybe the Russias are considering the same point of view. If the Americans had never pulled out of Cuba, Castro might have gone decades ago.

This not our respondsibility, far better to help relocate andprovide support for refugees than become involved with another Southern Africa power game.
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Media 1,

cape town 10/07/2008 09:41:50
Gordon Brown is doing a good job and he should be commended for his efforts in terms of the Zimbabwe crisis.
How many of us on this thread would be able to handle the pressures that he works under on a daily basis? And how many of us could handle the ridicule and the misguided statements?
Mugabe is a tyrant, he is a murderer and he heads up a brutal regime aimed at the destruction of anyone who opposes his madness.
With that in mind, Brown is right to get involved. Would you not want the rest of the world to help Scotland if the leading regime was behaving in the same manner? Would you want some other country to assist if you were forced to escape to England or Wales in search of a crumb of bread or even a glass of water? Sure you would, so have some heart for the innocent people of Zimbabwe and accept that Brown needs to do what he is doing to push through this resolution.
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wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 10/07/2008 09:45:12
#2
Any human being with a single shred of common sense woulld also oppose Nuclear weapons!
When some one sitting in an aeroplane and presses a button to unleash one of his terror bombs on those underneath him, wherever he decides to drop it,he doesn't choose who to slaughter. The unfortunate beneath perish; friend and foe; enemy,guilty and usually, the innocent men women and children.
Obviously; you certainly have never experienced the horror,terror,carnage off death and destruction resuting from exploding terror weapons or you wouldn't make such childish, immature remarks!
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Media 1,

cape town 10/07/2008 09:58:18
#32 Wattie

War is part and parcel of who we are as a species, hence the reason we have been doing it for thousands of years. The weapons have become more advanced, but the underlying principle is the same.
All of us know that our nations develop and use these weapons, yet none of us stand up and demand peace and an end to world conflict. And that is because we as a species are only interested in our own problems. Sure there is marches, sure there is the occassional demonstration, but it never comes to much because man for man, woman for woman we really dont care, and that includes you.
In terms of Zimbabwe, the people are suffering at a level you cannot possibly comprehend. If you thought bombs caused destruction, you should see the destruction in Zimbabwe. Bodies strewn accross streets, children with machettes in their backs and men with axes in their heads. Woman lying dead, beaten and raped by a gang of primitive savage beasts acting on behalf of Mugabe. No food, no water, no clothing, no shelter and a big barbed wire fence preventing them from getting into SA or Botswana.
Brown is doing the right thing.
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commonsense,

10/07/2008 10:08:07
#31
I agree with most of your post,however I notice that South Africa are against sanctions,and being closer to them may have good reason for that.It would just be nice for this country to sit back stage for a while and let the big boys sort it out for a change.
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Media 1,

cape town 10/07/2008 10:13:32
commonsense

I agree that SA should be shunning Mugabe, but you need to remember that we are a nation governed by Africans, so the chances of a responsible approach to this issue are most unlikely. The only way this crisis will be sorted out is by European intervention backed up by the Japanese and the Chinese.
Mbeki cried out to the world when the old NP government were behaving in a manner he considered inhumane, isnt it funny how he now decides to do nothing? You must remember what you are dealing with in Africa, which is why Europe needs to become involved.
37

vorlic,

edinburgh 10/07/2008 10:28:26
therwe can not be any oil in Zimbabwe, if there was Bush and Brown would have invaded, just like Iraq to restore democrosy to the people of Zimbabwe
38

SEUMAS,

fearn 10/07/2008 10:30:08
Bush, the clown in charge of the cesspit of the world and his disciple Brown have for some reason ruffled the feathers of Putin by building missile warning systems on the borders of Russia.
This is probably the reason for Putin's attitude.
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Media 1,

cape town 10/07/2008 10:33:30
vorlic

Firsty, had Saddam Hussain not brutally murdered countless thousands and displaced even more. Had he not tortured and cut limbs off innocent people then there would have been no need to invade Iraq.
Yes oil is a motive, a big one, but before you can attack you need a tyrant to provoke you.
So forget your silly comments about oil, we have heard them a million times.
Brown is doing what he can within the boundaries of international law. He would love to invade, he just cant.
40

Norman C.,

London 10/07/2008 10:36:39
"GORDON Brown's hopes of having tough new sanctions imposed on Zimbabwe appeared to be unravelling last night, after Russia branded the plans "excessive."

All too typical Scotsman reporting, emphasising the wrong thing in the wrong way for the wrong reasons at the wrong time.

A racist dictator is a party to murder and maltreatment of 'his'people, and is butchering 'his' country. Late, but better late than never, Mr. Brown is trying to get something done. Imperfect but better than nothing. Much of the rest of the world won't go along with it for reasons of self-interest and because they have no notion of human rights.

Condemn them, not Mr. Brown.
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wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 10/07/2008 10:51:38
# I don't make an apology for Mugabe,for the exact same reason as I wouldn't dare attempt to make an apology for the brutalty and inhuman activity off the Apartheid regime which I witnessed personally; with my own eyes when serving in HM navy during the war.
The same appliies to our American military "friends" who have traversed the globe since the end of the 19th century in an orgy off killing, destruction and brutality wherever THEY DECIDE too roam, just because their chosen victims refuse to become their inferior servile 'slaves'.
42

Richard Lionheart,

10/07/2008 10:52:36
#24 You seem to succinctly sum up Brown’s Britain.


With regard to Zimbabwe, this is exactly what Peter Hain, the Labour Party and the Lib Dems demanded, Black Majority Rule.

They were warned that the country would revert to tribalism over time and that is exactly what has happened. They were warned that they would end up pumping Millions of pounds of aid per annum into a country which hitherto had been the Bread basket of Africa, rich in natural resources, and completely self sufficient.

They are responsible for the fact that the country is now run by the basket case of Africa, and for the racism and murderous evil which now exists there. They, Peter Hain and his cohorts, are responsible for the blood which is being shed in Zimbabwe right now, but they will not accept that they themselves created this situation. When Robert Mugabe eventually stands trial, Peter Hain and his cohorts should stand trial alongside him. They were the architects.

Meantime as always with Gordon Brown’s plans, people pay with their life’s the British tax payer picks up the bill and Gordon Brown heads off to a far flung place on a tax payer funded junket.
43

If a nat said it, it's not true,

10/07/2008 11:24:41
33. I never knew Salmond actually wrote to Mugabe. What was he thinking?!

He is so desperate to be anti-UK on every single issue that he will even sink this low.

And wasn't there a poll this year which showed the majority of Scots were both IN FAVOUR of maintaining the nuclear deterrent and IN FAVOUR of continuing to pay for it. I think there was.

And he still strives for independence despite repeated polls over the past year showing support for independence at 25% or lower.

Does Salmond have any idea about public opinion??
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Raymond Thomas Brooke,

leven England 10/07/2008 11:26:12
you reap what you sow. Brown and other colleagues in government just a short while ago could not be bothered to react positively with the worsening situation in Zimbabwe. Now he is trying to install himself as aworld leader.They could have easily sorted out a plan of action at the recent G8 junket instead they decided Not to reach agreement on climate change problems. It would seem all they acheived was to plant afew trees have multi course meals and take a few photographs to include their memoirs
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Media 1,

cape town 10/07/2008 11:40:44
Richard Lion

Your comments are not only stupid, they are also dispensed with a juvenille undertone.
Nobody but Mugabe is to blame for the attrocities that are taking place in Zimbabwe and nobody else but the ANC government is responsible for the chaos that is unfolding at almost every level of South African society.
I agree that African leaders will almost always revert to a tribal form of governance and those who dont will eventually be challenged by coup after coup until the nation is a one party state run dictatorship. This is how it works, I agree and I see it with my own eyes everyday, but that does not mean that an apartheid system can be permitted to continue. The process that saw an end to apartheid had to be supported and it was. The fact that the black man cant adhere or advance under a democratically structured society is nobody elses fault.
So please point the finger elsewhere!
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oder,

Scotland 10/07/2008 11:53:57
There would have been no shortage of condemnation, calls for sanctions, and African outrage had a white African behaved in the manner of Mugabe!the world ganged up on South Africa and Rhodesia over white rule and their lack of "democracy" now we have black rule far worse than anything the white Africans could dream up,still no democracy! and a world that doesn't care.
The only concern that the world had was to change the colour of the government not to introduce democracy!
hence the reaction of the world to Mugabe today and it shows just how hypocritical it really is.
An ANC slogan was "No normal relations with an abnormal society" Mbeki says's there is no crisis in Zimbabwe today! 2 million Zimbabweans have run to South Africa in fear of this madman!fifty percent of the rest of the population is facing starvation! not to mention the unemployment,inflation one has to wonder just how normal Mbeki is to allow this behaviour. Mugabe will not be around for very much longer but the bigger problem for Africa and the world is African leaders will continue to behave like Mugabe because they know the west will do nothing and the Mbeki`s of the world will support tyranny over democracy! proving the point Mbeki is and a supporter of the terrorist.
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Media 1,

cape town 10/07/2008 12:05:43
Oder

I dont think people understand the way of the African and that is the problem. African people are friendly, they are welcoming and warm. They crave peace and a life free from toil and sweat in which their kids can grow. But all too often their wishes are destroyed by other Africans who are hell bent on destruction and total domination of the people.
You see this all over the continent. A peaceful and tribal people being subjected to the most attrocious acts of barberism at the hands of those who should be looking after them..
Mbeki is a hypocrite, plain and simple and ontop of that, he is a freedom fighter, not a politician.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 10/07/2008 12:18:25
Doesn't he look like Gordon Brittas?

Does anyone remember the "I spy Brittas" episode?

(this is going to loose quite a bit without the visual)

"One point if he does this (nods head from side to side with lips pursed), two points for one of those (gesture similar to the photo of Brown), five points if you get him to call the police and 10 points if he 'goes like this' (Bowing down with eyes closed , hands in "prayer" position and speaking in over-accentuated vowels)".

Well. My taking the micheal out of pictures of Wendy seemed to lead to her downfall, maybe the same will work with Brown.

Any more captions anyone?

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oder,

Scotland 10/07/2008 12:32:02
47 Media 1,cape town

I understand what your saying! the Africans that I knew were the nicest and friendliest that you could meet,the crime as you point out is the African leaders don't care! which appears acceptable to the world at large right or wrong, democracy doesn't come into it.
as you have said previously you need to be there to experience it.
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Tris,

10/07/2008 12:47:25

Mr Brown, with repect, food inflation is at least 7%, petrol goes up by the day, we are told to expect 40%increases in heating costs this winter, house prices are starting to fall, unemployment is going up.....

Could you get back to trying to do something about some of these things. When things are running smoothly in the yUK, then maybe you can start playing international statesman, but right now concentrate on being a national statesman.

No... on reflection, looking at your record, perhaps you shouild trot out to Zimbabwe and see if you can sort it out. You've done no good here.
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Bird of Prey, Will watch what i say.,

10/07/2008 12:48:23
Well lets face it, the UK is not exactly a global power like France or Russia, a wee pod in a big garden
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elizabeth the first ,

10/07/2008 13:21:02
Gordon Brown is doing his best,it is Britains problem we more or less condoned mugabe in the early years; Russia and china can do what they like,it doesn't concern them.
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Richard Lionheart,

10/07/2008 13:21:09
Media 1 Spoken like a true Politician. If you don’t agree with someone’s point of view revert to insult.

In a true democracy of course white minority rule had to end.

Given that the system had to change and British politicians are so hot on human rights they had a responsibility to ensure that the new era of democracy was just that democratic.

So we should not excuse Peter Hain and his cohorts, they should stand accused alongside Robert Mugabe and his.

They abandoned Zimbabwe and allowed it to become what it is today.

Mugabe said that only God can remove him from office, so perhaps the World should be praying that he does and soon.
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elizabeth the first ,

10/07/2008 13:24:19
50. Impatience will get you nowhere,brown has to undo 10 years of Blair.
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JCA REID,

Annan 10/07/2008 14:28:03
PM Gordon Brown is a typical politician - simply full of hot air & empty rhetoric. Just like all the rest. with all the misery that has & is being inflicted on the citizenry of Britain's former African colonies since the 60's - to the present day, nothing, absolutely nothing will be done.
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Media 1,

cape town 10/07/2008 14:49:24
Richard Lion

So how long do you suppose Britain should have held Mugabe's hand? 10 years? 15 years? 20 Years? or all 30 years?
At some point a child must be allowed to leave his parents care, which usually happens around 18 to 20. So are we now saying that an entire country with a constitution a parliament and a Presidential system needs longer to find its feet than your average child?
Cmon Richard, stop looking for reasons to excuse Mugabe, the man is a despot, a killer and a monster and that is final. He and HE only is responsible for the carnage that is engulfing Zimbabwe. Your sympathy for Mugabe is quite shocking.
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elizabeth the first ,

10/07/2008 15:12:09
Britain should be sorting Zimbabwe out not Afghanistan.
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Media 1,

cape town 10/07/2008 15:19:10
Think of the average successful family. A father and a mother, plus the kids. The dad needs to behave appropriately and work hard to feed his family. The mum if the family is lucky enough can stay at home and nurture the kids, if not, she too must work in order to feed the kids and keep the roof over their heads. The kids being kids cannot be expected to act responsibly, so they are permitted to play the fool until they are old enough to know better.
Africa is the kid, Europe is the parent and the problem is that the kid never grew up and never will. So, do the parents continue to feed, look after and offer guidance? Or should they wash their hands of the kid and leave them to fend for themselves? The latter is probably the best solution, although what if there is grandkids involved? You know, masses that cant help themselves, what then?
Africa will always be a child politically, economically and technologically. But hopefully one day soon, we can get her to act like an adolescent.
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elizabeth the first ,

10/07/2008 16:45:05
59.I think you may have a point.
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Griffe,

10/07/2008 17:33:48
If Brown allowed Russia to make its own announcements on Zimbabwe,instead of giving the information to the media, perhaps they would not have reneged on their agreement
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Biker,

Ayr 10/07/2008 18:02:00
Its time the UN was overhauled and the "veto" done away with. Join the club and the rules are majority wins. Mugabe is laughing up his shirt at the world. While he gets richer his countrymen die. Its time for embargo and sancions. China and Russia will happily cats paw with the rest of us whilst continuing their creeping help for Mugabe. Recognise them for what they are, hypocrites.
Brown has tried his best and frankly been stabbed in the back by Russia.
107 in a row. What a stupid comment.
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elizabeth the first ,

10/07/2008 18:37:33
61. Why should Russia make it's own announcement?
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HEN BROON 9,

10/07/2008 18:43:10
They're all in it together, time we in Scotland weren't
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Iain's,

Barcelona 10/07/2008 20:47:41
Paw Broon should realise that by supporting George Bush (Am I allowed to use the word Bush?) over his anti-missile thingy in Poland, that the evil Ruskies might, reasonably feel a little put out.

Labour supported sanctions against Rhodesia and, as is usual with Labour, did not give a damn about the savage they put in power.

Serves them right; but the loser, as usual is the 'common man' in Zimbabwe.

Gordon Broon's Labour Party put that evil man into power. Now they want sanctions against Zimbabwe. Gordon Broon must be voted out before everyone who is not of Mugabwe's tribe are starved to death. The man, Broon, is not very nice.

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ppink,

10/07/2008 20:53:23
The horribleness of it is that the man who is imposing his ideas on us thinks he knows best.

He is a babe amongst wolves.

He reminds me of Richard Gere in Breathless - a crazy young punk who knows it all.

Without the style and the trousers.



Give him a mexican hat.
68

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/07/2008 21:08:38
59...What a truly intelligent solution for the tragic situation the people of Zimbabwe find themselves in...and what a féckin prize Baw bag you are.....
69

Iain's,

barcelona 10/07/2008 21:10:10
no.67.

The Mexicans would have had a revolution by now and hung Broon on a meat hook on the side of a building.

(Yes, the Mexicans did that to a President they disliked! - thank goodnes we live in better times!)
70

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 10/07/2008 21:28:42
Gordon get your missus or yer maw to gie Mugabe a Good hard stare. That'll sort him richt oot..
71

Iainbroch,

Moray 10/07/2008 23:41:16
I believe the President of Ginnea Bissau recently cut the testicles off of one of his rivals and ate them - we live in better times indeed!
Anyone for Broon Baw bags?
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PointOf View,

Edinburgh Stirling Bridge 11/07/2008 02:10:16
39. Media 1.
Ok, I’ve read enough of your dribble! First of all and I’m presuming your South African, sort out your own c-rap rather than tell others how they should respond to African issues. If your not SA go there, do your bit, and leave the rest of us alone.
We in Scotland have had three hundred years of deceitful dictatorship by an English government, where were the likes of you!!

In as far as Saddam Hussan and Iraq go. The illegal war based on lies and deceit was totally about oil, not partially as you suggest. Do you really think for one moment the UK or USA would have bothered had there not been oil, wake up man / woman. Besides there has been more people killed since the illegal war than it saved. Ask yourself why a so called liberating force continued to bomb innocent women and children in the run up to the invasion and why they're still there, idiot. All I can say if I were in the same position I’d rather take my chances with the regime.

Number 6 and the so called The Great Deception (more like great a$$holes) no one is the least bit interested in your pathetic views, moron’s. Never will be.


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PointOf View,

Edinburgh Stirling Bridge. 11/07/2008 02:29:31
36. Media 1
"but you need to remember that we are a nation governed by Africans, so the chances of a responsible approach to this issue are most unlikely".

Ahhh, maybe that’s because SA is an African country and by your statement your obviously not indigenous. Feels like the kind of response Nlab would give on the Scots not being responsible by voting SNP in Scotland, not Nlab and a Westminster administration. Let the people of Zimbabwe rise and take care of there own issues, one way or the other.
Maggie Brown doesn’t care about SA he is simply trying to deflect attention from himself and the concerning and numerous issues in the UK.

In fact the whole G8 and other media led issues are about deflecting attention from the real issues, which are the continuous on-going erosion of civil liberties, human rights and freedom of people in the western world. Wake up people, see through the smokescreen.
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McHoot,

brisbane 11/07/2008 02:55:16
*28
Thanks for that. Mchoot can live with those kinds of sanctions. But are ALL countries which threaten sanctions limiting them to arms etc? None that will affect the poor people of Z? Perhaps you could check that out? Ooroo the noo.
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wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 11/07/2008 11:07:48
#57 Should any human being requiring 'sorting' out; it's you!
77

Queen D,

Glasgow 12/07/2008 15:19:26
NEW BUILD OF BRITISH EMBASSY IN HARARE COSTING 10 MILLION QUID.

So , why do we need a NEW BRITISH EMBASSY IN HARARE??

Our Government is posturing over sanctions in Zimbabwe.

 

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