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Published Date: 27 December 2008
CHILDREN as young as four have been caught by police committing crime in the Lothians, it emerged today.
New figures reveal three four-year-olds were among 17 youngsters under the age of seven who were responsible for crimes including vandalism, minor assault and fireraising.

The youngsters were all under the age of criminal responsibility, which is eight years old in Scotland, and could not be charged with any offences.

In the majority of the cases, the children were taken to their parents and given a warning over their behaviour but no further action was taken. The figures, released under freedom of information laws, were today branded "very worrying".

Police chiefs said they work closely with social workers to try to address criminal behaviour amongst the very young.

The juvenile offenders were responsible for 21 offences, which as well as assaults, vandalism and setting fires, included malicious mischief and damaging cars.

Independent Lothians MSP Margo McDonald said: "I would want to know where these children's parents were, who was supervising them if the parents weren't, and what was the age of any children they were playing with when these offences took place. Charges such as fireraising are very serious. It may need case conferences between police, social workers and the parents to find out what's going on. And we have to look at how these children can be socialised as this is antisocial behaviour before they can even spell the word."

Tory justice spokesman Bill Aitken described it as a "very worrying trend".

He said: "It reflects very badly on the parents of the children involved. There are clearly concerns that a significant number of parents are obviously failing to control their children even at such a young age. Goodness knows what they will be like when they turn 15."

Children as young as eight in Edinburgh are already made to sign antisocial behaviour contracts promising they will behave. Last year, it was reported that police and council chiefs had dished out more than one of the "mini-Asbos" every week since a crackdown was launched. Those breaking the contracts, known as ABCs, risk being taken to court or even having their families evicted from council homes.

A police spokesman said: "The police have a responsibility to investigate all crimes, and when a crime is committed by a child under the age of criminal responsibility we have a responsibility ourselves to make sure that the appropriate action is taken.

"We would liaise closely with council social work departments in order to address any underlying issues regarding the child's behaviour, and to ensure that they receive the attention appropriate to the circumstances."

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  • Last Updated: 27 December 2008 10:11 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Youth crime
 
1

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 27/12/2008 11:26:18
The Law must be that the parent(s),guardian(s)etc, should be held responsible for the conduct of those under the age of criminal responsibility.
The Law as it stands is a complete disaster. When the thugs start giving youngsters guns and get them committing murder on their behalf it will be too late.If it isn't already.They whole fabric of society in Scotland is falling apart.So much for the welfare state,which is only for criminals and bludgers.
2

john3,

27/12/2008 11:47:23
#1 TRUE. Those parents do not give a sod as they are already nurtured by the state and have nothing to lose
no matter what is said. Make them do community service.
The yanks have it right when they say do it they mean do it.
3

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27/12/2008 12:05:40
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4

Beryltheperil ,

27/12/2008 13:50:39

Correct #1

The parents should also be punished for not supervising their children in the first place. Surely a child of four with matches, who lights fires is an endangered child? So the parents should be watched closely and the kids put on the at risk register.
5

Cant use my name anymore-Alex,

Not at a SALE 27/12/2008 13:56:23
Everybodys quality of life was much better when you could beat your kids.( Even the kids) Boundaries were known and recognised and there was a consequence for crossing them ( a thrashing.) Now there are no boundaries and no consequences and quality of life for everyone ( including the kids) has suffered
6

calum,

27/12/2008 14:36:09
#5 - It is NOT the job of the police to deal out a punishment to anyone, that is the job of the authorities. I don't suppose a sound leathering 3 times a week did you any harm at all, oh no, not you.
7

calum,

27/12/2008 14:47:52
#9 - Oh, here we go with the thrashings, the broken glass, the beatings the mustrad gas.
Do you know what you are, a sado-masochistic voyeurist. thats what. Your an evil sad old man.
8

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

27/12/2008 14:49:00
I blame the parents
9

calum,

27/12/2008 14:51:36
#11 - I agree, but GT seems to be off on a rave again. He thinks the police should have the power to dish out a hammering - isn't that what the Nazis used to do? That's what the maniac in Gorgie wants.
10

elayne,

27/12/2008 15:05:36
#12 the parents need a good boot up the *rse!or sterilised(fair enough most kids get up to mischeif but what some kids do today is beyond youthful high jinks)too many parents dont have a clue or dont give a **** what thier kids get up to,as long as the kids are out the way,so the parents should be held responsible
11

Cynicaltalk,

27/12/2008 15:11:42
#9

Are you implying that Thames Valley Police were caught on camera assaulting a member of the public?
12

brandy al,

embra 27/12/2008 15:21:19
In my days if you did anything like this,if the law did not punish you,your old man certainly did,and how,i blame their parents.
13

calum,

27/12/2008 15:49:04
#15 - Fair enough point, but it is not the job of trhe police, nor should it ever be, to dish out a hammering to satisfy the likes of GT. How would you like it if one of your kids was brought home battered and bruised to be told, "aye, the polis gave him a doing for behaving like an idiot in Gorgie Road". Is that would you would like?
14

calum,

27/12/2008 15:52:41
That was meant for #13 elayne
15

James Donald,

Newbridge 27/12/2008 16:58:48
#1 Dragonhead,Dalian,Red China - "They whole fabric of society in Scotland is falling apart.So much for the welfare state,which is only for criminals and bludgers" - To quote from one of your recent post on another thread: "your out of date diatribes on a country you know absolutely nothing about". Don't they have criminals and bludgers in the workers paradise?
16

elayne,

27/12/2008 17:28:44
#16 i would hope that i have brought my kids up better than that!i am not one of those parents who sit on my *** all day and let my kid run round the streets(i should explain 2 of my kids are adults now!)as for my youngest she goes out and does interesting things instead of hanging round,im fortunate that i can afford to do constructive things with her and not leave her to play on the streets all day
17

calum,

27/12/2008 18:35:42
#19 - elayne, "i would hope .....". And basically, that's all you can do once they go over the door. You "hope" that they have the right pals, you "hope" that they don't abuse drink or drugs, you "hope" that they behave and you "hope" that they don't encounter the kind of polis that Gorgie_Tony wants us to have. Thankfully, the police don't go around doing the kind of things he wants.
18

Poetess50,

27/12/2008 20:06:05
SOMEONE damn sure needs to do SOMETHING about these kids, as the parents don't seem to be able to control them. It didn't help that corporal punishment was taken out of the schools, either!
19

S. A. C.,

Edinburgh 27/12/2008 20:50:20
Most of the people on this thread seem to have forgotten the fact that our power to control our kids was taken away from us.
If my son was out doing wrong and I found out and gave him a good kicking for it, who would be in the wrong?
We all tend to look at our kids through rose tinted glasses, but the sad fact is you don't know what they are up to when they are out of your sight, even the so called nice ones #19, you strike me as the parent who blames everybody else for any of your kids failures in life.
Why do most of the people on here think it's only the "UNEMPLOYED" parents children doing wrong, because I can tell you the troublemakers round our way are the stuck up kids of "EMPLOYED" parents, who think (and do) get away with murder, but then it's not the "LATCHKEY" kids doing wrong is it, because their parents are always there to guide them through life, unless of course they are at work, or sleeping because they are on night-shift, or sat in front of the telly after having told their kids to "F**k Off, I'm just in from work, don't bother me" !!!
SO !!! Why don't you all get off your moral high horses and start to look at who is really to blame, our power of punishment was taken away from us, never forget that.!!!
20

The real dracula,

27/12/2008 21:02:15
#22 i wouldnt advocate giving any child getting a good kicking.
Far better to hit them where it really hurts in taking away games , friends , pocket money , tvs etc ,,,,,,now ThAT should really hurt.
21

C Duncan,

27/12/2008 21:34:20
At least they'll be able to fight off any passing paedophiles
22

Evie,

Back Door Holyrood 27/12/2008 21:53:44
A four year old committing an offence/crime does not in the least bit surprise me. When I lived in Pilton, the bottom flat was vacated and two children who would have been no more than four or five broke into the flat and started smashing it up. The managed to break the bottom windows and smashed the toilet and flooded the place. This was all done in the prescence of the boys father, who was too busy working on a car outside the front of the house to even care. A passerby mentioned the damage they were doing but all the father could say was F**K off and other unprintable obscenities.
23

elayne,

27/12/2008 21:58:51
#25 does not surprise me one wee bit,as i say some folk should not have kids if they dont have the savvy to bring them up in a decent way,would teh dad have liked it if someone smashed his beloved(probably clapped out old banger)car up? i think not
24

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 28/12/2008 02:41:59
CHARGE..THE.SO.CALLED.PARENTS.SOLVED
25

Al Pacino,

28/12/2008 08:14:07
I appreciate Gorgie Tony's remarks but they're somewhat out of touch. Courts punish, not Police. The days of having rozzers on hand to deal with everything in a speedy fashion are gone because people are encouraged(at the government's stat-gathering behest) to report EVERYTHING, this results in a drain on resources as no cops are left to go to incidents because they're all busy listening to some idiot moaning about their neighbour being rude to them.
26

Hector the Red,

28/12/2008 09:19:10
without dicipline and order....chaos rules!
27

Bele's bane,

Scotland 28/12/2008 14:32:50
When the strap was in use at schools and home crime by pint sized hoodlums were proportionally reduced!
28

Bele's bane,

Scotland 28/12/2008 14:34:44
Post# 22 S.A.C.Edinburgh

Great post!!!
29

James (1),

29/12/2008 09:50:44
We show them from a young age that their is nothing that will happen to them when they do wrong.
So why should they behave?

There is no short, sharp shock punishment of the belt at school and that is the problem.
You never got the belt at school for nothing! (Role the anecdotal tales of woe.)
Now the tree huggers who wanted this type of tut tut you are a bad boy, we are disappointed in you chastisement are going to reap what they have sown. Unfortunately we have let the do gooders have their way so we get it as well.

 

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