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Edinburgh libraries refusing to write off teens



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Published Date: 17 April 2008
SEPARATE youth facilities are to be set up in city libraries in a bid to crackdown on antisocial behaviour.
The £100,000 Libraries4U project will see rooms set aside for youngsters at facilities with the highest reports of disorder.

It was launched last night in Moredun Library, and over the next few weeks will see rooms also created in Craigmillar and
Kirkliston libraries.

It comes after the Evening News reported last month how gangs of youths were driving out traditional library goers and local groups who wanted to meet there.

Craigmillar and Moredun were highlighted as two of the worst affected in the city with reports of teenagers running riot through the corridors, while users of facilities in other areas of the city, such as Sighthill and Muirhouse, have had similar problems.

It is now hoped this initiative will not only separate youngsters from other members of the community but also encourage them to use libraries in a more productive manner, rather than it just being seen as a resource for free internet use when they want to visit social networking sites such as Bebo.

Under the scheme they will be encouraged to produce their own films, create their own comics and magazines, as well as being able to play computer games and relax in a "chill-out area".

Culture and leisure leader Councillor Deidre Brock said: "It should dispel the myth that libraries are fusty places which are only for older people.

"It lets our young people know that they are more than welcome to use libraries, and is a great way of showing that libraries have so much more to offer our younger members as well.

"It shows too that libraries mean more than just books these days, and continue to be a relevant part of our ever-changing, modern society."

The Libraries4U project, funded from the Scottish Government's Public Library Improvement Fund, has enabled the three libraries to be fitted with new resources, including modern furniture and collections of DVDs.

It is understood other city libraries could also be in line for the upgrades in future phases.

One library hoping to be included is Muirhouse Library, one of the most troublesome in the city. Local groups meeting there have been forced to lock the meeting room doors to stop youngsters bursting in, and in one incident thousands of pounds of damage was caused to the library toilets.

Police are called regularly to the trouble hot-spot, and in one case a police car was damaged while officers were in the library.

Muirhouse Salvesen Community Council chairwoman Jenni Marrow said: "It would be absolutely brilliant to be included in this. Not only would it give the kids some ideas of what they want to do with their lives but allows other library users to get on with their business in peace.

"A lot of homes in Muirhouse don't have computers so it would give those children some opportunities too."





The full article contains 498 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 17 April 2008 11:54 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Youth crime
 
1

Jenny MacArthur,

17/04/2008 12:21:54
Another case of kids showing what revolting slobs these kids' parents are not to have trained them properly.
2

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 17/04/2008 13:00:23
"It lets our young people know that they are more than welcome to use libraries, and is a great way of showing that libraries have so much more to offer our younger members as well."

How naive and what a total waste of Council Tax payers money. Why try to interest them in libraries, most of them probably can't read anyway.

These schemie turds don't want to learn so why waste time and funds on them? Serve them with asbos if they offend and if they repeat their offense(s) round them up and maroon them and their equally turdy parents on some offshore island.


3

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 17/04/2008 13:03:43
Well nice to see funding being spent in this way. We can't give up hope.

better spent on that than on keeping community newspapers open that could well be produced as a citywide paper with all areas represented.

In Moredun area grant money appears to be spent on getting royal mail to deliver a local paper in the middle of the month that is partially out of date.

So good on the spending here. I hope it is successful
4

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 17/04/2008 13:20:02
We're being too soft on these louts. Just book them.
5

Mr H 2u,

Embra 17/04/2008 13:20:07
Oh, sweet! Let's reward the wee shi'ites for being thugs.
6

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17/04/2008 13:33:12
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7

Herewegoagain,

Edinburgh 17/04/2008 13:38:25
I was at the launch last night, it was a great success, the kids were enthusiastic and the new area was fantastic.

The library and concierge staff all over Edinburghs deprived areas put up with so much abuse but never give up on the kids and it shows. Well done to all involved for not turning your back when things get hard.

its so easy to ignore the problems and just lock everyone up, but where will that get us. Surely it is better to try than to not try in the first place

kids just try to emulate thier role models, its not the kids fault if thier parents or role models are a bad influence (bad in the law abiding societys eyes), the kids grow up not knowing any different/how to fit into "normal" society

if all the gripes are about the money spent, then go moan about the trams instead, for once lets embrace something positive instead of reverting to the usual "all EN readers are a bunch of losers with little else to do than post negative comments on an anonymous comment section"

put up or shut up
8

The Judge,

17/04/2008 14:23:22
Great isn't it, be a schemie scumbag create problems in your local library you get £100k. Behave yourself and stick in at school you get nothing.

#7 Could you explain what you mean by "deprived"?

9

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 17/04/2008 14:28:10
#7 Herewegoagain

" the kids were enthusiastic and the new area was fantastic"

One wonders how long things in these areas will remain that way.

"all EN readers are a bunch of losers with little else to do than post negative comments on an anonymous comment section"

In case you didn't know that is one of the things this site is for, but some people don't like it when others spell out things as they see them.

"put up or shut up"

Frankly, most of us are prepared to do neither, but unfortunately the rest of us are also expected to 'pay up' for the numbskulls who are attacking libararies, schools, etc in these 'deprived areas'. Why are these areas 'deprived'? Because of the illiterate elements who live there - I feel truly sorry for the many decent folk who have to live beside these teenage trolls.





10

Environmental Terrorist,

Edinburgh 17/04/2008 14:31:09
I used to work in one of the aforementioned libraries and whilst the staff are fantastic, some of the $h!t they have to put up with from kids as young as 5 and 6 is disgusting. Some of the parents are worse! These places are seen as somewhere for the kids to hang out - free from child care costs. You go to any one of these libraries during the school holidays and they have basically become a free child care service! Whilst some of the kids do read books and have intelligent conversations etc. the majority just want to sit and play the PS2 or go on the internet! Good to know our taxpayers money is being well spent!
11

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17/04/2008 14:53:37
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12

mist00I,

Marseille 17/04/2008 14:55:47
The Craigmillar scum kids are the worste. Why spend money on these ne-er do wells?
13

"weened",

West Linton 17/04/2008 15:09:42
I like it how all the people from more deprived areas are branded as "neds" or "wee scheemies" I personally think that is very unfair as I know people from those areas who certainly are not "scheemie" in any way and I bet they would have loved to have had something like that in their local library. I think it is very unfair to brand these people as everywhere you go there are rougher people, I think they should be given the benefit of the doubt
14

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 17/04/2008 16:25:46
Herewegoagain acers: "kids just try to emulate thier role models, its not the kids fault if thier parents or role models are a bad influence (bad in the law abiding societys eyes), the kids grow up not knowing any different/how to fit into "normal" society"

Well, I grew up on what researchers have claimed is the worst scheme in Scotland to grow up in, and I played in the second worst.

I spent a lot of my childhood in the local library. Strangely, I didn't need any special instruction to know that I was supposed to quietly read or browse books in there and that I wasn't supposed to smash up the loos. It ain't exactly rocket science.

15

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 17/04/2008 16:46:16
#13 "weened",West Linton

"I like it how all the people from more deprived areas are branded as "neds" or "wee scheemies"

You've got that one wrong WeeNed, no one here has suggested that all of the inhabitants of housing schemes are neds, but some are (unfortunately the proportion is growing).

These neds are a total waste of public money and I would like to see some sort of seperate scheme set up where such neds/nedettes and their 'families' are housed (by force if necessary) when they break the law and cause chaos in their present locations.

The kinds of people who smash up libraries, schools, playing fields, sports facilities, etc have no place in our society and should be kept out of it until they learn how to behave.

These folk are called scheemie neds by the rest of us because they have worked hard to earn that title.
16

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 17/04/2008 19:43:12
some of the people making comments in here are worse than the kids or young people.

Perhaps many of the said people above should look in the mirror!
17

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 17/04/2008 19:52:23
#16 Jingsitsme

"Some of the people making comments in here are worse than the kids or young people."

With respect Jings that's damned near impossible, most of us have IQ's well above zero and don't wreck public services.


18

is it me?,

Edinburgh 17/04/2008 22:14:20
What's wrong with Libraries going back to their original purpose? For people who want to read/borrow books? Quiet places.

Do that and the neds wouldn't be a problem. They'd find it too boring.

If the Council wants to provide a creche for teenage troublemakers then let them build a shed on an industrial estate.

I used to use Libraries when they were traditional. I don't any more.

So much for "inclusiveness".

19

THE BPRENTICE,

18/04/2008 01:14:44
Making facilities available is one thing but its important that money should is invested in creating various clubs - adult mentors should be paid to coach and be mentor the youth...if they are bored they will turn to drugs and crime etc.....if they are focused on sport or evening classes/clubs on self defence, mechanics of joinery, survival, business skills...anything that is popular....and helps their health, knowledge, career prospects, and most importantly fires their imagination...that doesn't include Columbian marching powder.

I'm not exempting parents of their responsibility but Kids from about 12/13 yrs old and older will get more from a mentor (especially males) than they will do from their parents ....so giving them someone to look up to and something to focus on is great for the community and great for the kids.

Treat people like animals and they will act like animals and vice versa.
20

thepoet,

glasgow 27/04/2008 23:24:38
As a member of the team currently working on these libraries I have had first hand experience of the so called " neds" and have found them to be bright and intelligent youths who through no fault of their own have been dropped by society and the very people who surround them. At all time during the revamp of the libraries they have been eager to give comment on the work and give praise to design and specification. I have seen hope return to their eyes as if the sun has shone on them for the first in their lives.
I can understand the annoyance of certain members of the community regarding the noise and disturbance within the library but the youth of today is not the same as it use to be, they are full of confidence and interact in ways we may at times not understand but yet again did our parents/grand parents always understand us. In short give these kids a chance because if we don't who will?
21

michaelman,

edinburgh 19/05/2008 09:17:30
Why is this assumed to be a new problem ... Libraries have always had problems with 'certain elements'...due to being free, warm and open to all, at times when no other such location was available. The only diffrence now is that we are pandering to these groups in a mistaken concept that it is cool to 'get down with them'. Success being measured on an inverted scale which drives traditional users away, including teenagers who want to study, browse, read ...whatever. Other authorities have organised special events, evenings when the library is normally closed, for teen related activities, including noise, lights, computer games etc etc as a means of making positive contacts, getting feedback etc etc.
And why, if Edinburgh so 'with it', does it not have any qualitive collections of Goth literature, comics etc ...its easier to dumb down and patronise rather than provide collections of bookSTOCK relevent to all its users.
In Disgist

 

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