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Published Date: 11 March 2009
THE global economy will be slammed into reverse later this year, in the greatest recession of "our lifetime", international financiers warned yesterday.
The economic crisis could even lead to wars as millions of people fall back into poverty, they said.

The warning came as official figures showed British manufacturing had suffered its biggest fall in output in 40 years.

The International Monetary Fund had forecast global growth of more than 2 per cent for 2009 but yesterday this was cut to less than zero as economists warned the recession would ravage businesses, consumers and financial institutions around the world.

Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the managing director of the IMF, said: "The IMF expects global growth to slow below zero this year, the worst performance in most of our lifetimes."

Speaking to African leaders, Mr Strauss-Kahn said the effects of this "Great Recession" would be devastating to Africa, which had expected growth of about 6 per cent this year.

Instead, sub-Saharan Africa is now forecast to expect growth of 3 per cent while the rest of the world is expected to perform even worse, plunging the global economy into decline. The IMF chief said: "Continued de-leveraging by world financial institutions (trying to cut debts drastically], combined with a collapse in consumer and business confidence, is depressing domestic demand across the globe, while world trade is falling at an alarming rate and commodity prices have tumbled."

He warned that millions of people in Africa would be thrown back into poverty by the crisis, while fragile political systems would be tested.

Mr Strauss-Kahn went on: "This is not only about protecting economic growth and household incomes.

"It is also about containing the threat of civil unrest, perhaps even war. It is about people and their futures."

The former UN secretary-general Kofi Annan said Africa was facing "the equivalent of a tsunami" and the threat came as the region was just getting into its stride economically.

In the United Kingdom, the Office for National Statistics said manufacturing output, which accounts for about 14 per cent of the economy, had fallen by an annual rate of 12.8 per cent in January – marking the steepest decline since 1981.

In the three months to January, factory output had tumbled by 6.4 per cent compared with the previous quarter, the biggest drop since records began in 1968.

Economists described the figures as "horrific", while the British Chambers of Commerce said they highlighted the need for action to prevent further job losses. Britain's manufacturing sector has been battered by a slump in domestic demand, weaker activity in key export markets and tight credit conditions, offsetting any benefit from the weak pound against both the euro and dollar.

In an attempt to head off the worst of the recession, the European Union yesterday backed calls for a doubling of the IMF's crisis-fighting funds to $500 billion (£365 billion) ahead of a key meeting of the G20 group of old and new economic powers later this week.

But the chances of a united approach at the G20 receded last night as the 27 EU nations made it clear they would not support United States demands for greater government spending as a way of heading off global economic meltdown.

The EU's finance ministers met in Brussels ahead of the G20 meeting in London on Friday and Saturday.

And it soon became clear there was a definite rift between Europe and the US over the best way of tackling the crisis.

The EU position on both IMF funding and fiscal stimulus was contained in a document that mapped out the bloc's joint policy stand.

It made clear Europe had no intention, for now, of increasing the fiscal stimuli governments have announced as their contribution to the battle against global recession.

Larry Summers, one of the chief economic advisers to US President Barack Obama, called on Monday for more, but he got a blunt "no way" from the EU.

Jean-Claude Juncker, who chaired the EU meeting, said: "The 16 finance ministers (of the euro zone] agreed that recent American appeals insisting Europeans make an added budgetary effort were not to our liking, given that we are not prepared to go further in the recovery packages we have put forward."

The EU's fiscal stimulus is worth between 3 per cent and 4 per cent of EU gross domestic product (GDP) in all.

Mr Obama's $787 billion stimulus plan for 2009-10 – which will last a little longer in the case of tax cuts – amounts to about 5.5 per cent of the GDP of the US, where the now global crisis began two years or so ago.

Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, used the EU finance ministers' meeting to press for more help for hard-hit central and eastern European countries.

He warned that those economies faced a 2009 funding shortfall of $100 billion.

"This is a time for Europe to build on shared values of co-operation," he said. "Many decades of economic union have brought greater prosperity, but closer economic integration also brings challenges. We are all affected by what happens to our neighbours.

"Our priority must be to support those countries most at risk from the aftershock of the global financial crisis, starting with those on our own doorstep in Europe.

"For those most at risk, we need to increase financing through the International Monetary Fund and multilateral banks, through central banks, and an enhanced lending facility at the EU level."

Mr Darling also called on the G20 group to agree additional support via the IMF when they meet later this week.



Markets clutch at straws as host of nations queue up for life support

Analysis: Bill Jamieson


AS WARNINGS come, they could not be more dire. We are entering, says Dominique Strauss-Kahn, head of the International Monetary Fund, "a great recession", with the world economy likely to shrink for the first time in decades.

And Ben Bernanke, chairman of the US Federal Reserve, chimed in to tell us the world was facing the worst financial crisis since the 1930s.

"Until we stabilise the financial system," he declared, "a sustainable economic recovery will remain out of reach."

What makes these statements so chilling is that they come from leaders and institutions that have always recoiled from making anything other than the most cautious, anodyne statements about economic prospects. They suggest the global policy elite is close to throwing in the towel after months of interest rate cuts, emergency packages and huge fiscal stimuli.

Perhaps because these warnings were so grim, stock markets worldwide leapt on news from US bank Citigroup that it had made a profit in the first two months of the year.

Is "bank makes profit" such a shock? Yes, when you consider this is the first statement from a US bank in months that has not been accompanied by massive write-downs, provisions, black holes and losses with a string of zeroes on the end.

In London the FTSE100 surged almost five per cent, or 172 points, to 3715.23 while on Wall Street the Dow Jones Index was up almost 300 points by mid-afternoon.

The first green shoot? Markets are desperate for any good news to relieve the gloom. Data worldwide testifies to a ferocious slump. Exports in Germany and Japan have collapsed. UK manufacturing output in January tumbled 12.8 per cent from a year earlier, the fastest annual contraction since January 1981. Eastern European countries are sinking under a weight of foreign debt. The IMF is now back as the world's financial emergency ward.

And the casualties are growing by the week. Countries such as Iceland, Hungary, Pakistan, Ukraine, Latvia and Romania are now on IMF life support or have applied for it.

This weekend finance ministers from the G20 major economies meeting in London will roll out a plan to double the IMF's kitty to $500 billion.

Enough? According to World Bank estimates, 129 developing countries face between them a financial shortfall of between $270 and $700 billion. And it is puny compared to the latest estimate for the global fall in value of financial assets: a shattering $50,000 billion.

Only last month the IMF forecast that the world economy would still grow by 0.5 per cent. Now even that meagre gruel is off the table.

Mr Strauss-Kahn warns that world trade is falling at an alarming rate and business and consumer confidence has collapsed. He said: "The IMF expects global growth to slow below zero this year, the worst performance in most of our lifetimes."

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  • Last Updated: 10 March 2009 11:45 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 11/03/2009 00:26:40
It appears the advice provided by Steve Keen, Associate Professor, School of Economics and Finance, University of Western Sydney was correct. In December 2005, almost two years before the economic crisis hit, Keen believed that a serious financial situation was approaching. “I was so worried about its probable severity - and the lack of awareness about it amongst policy makers - that I took the risk (for an academic) of going very public about my views,” he says. Claiming that he got it right, and “they” - the official economic managers - got it so wrong, Keen says “it’s not because I’m any brighter than they are - there are plenty of highly intelligent people in those organizations; it’s because they follow mainstream views in economics, and I follow a minority perspective”. He says; “the economic history we are currently living through is proof that the mainstream is fundamentally wrong about the nature of the economy, while my minority perspective is at least partially right. Keen says "most economists have raised solely within the neoclassical approach to economics, which has dominated the academic discipline of economics since the mid-1970s." He says most economists have been trained to uncritically believe in models of the economy “based on the fantasies of hyper-rational individuals (who can predict the future), markets that are always in equilibrium, and a world in which money is simply a veil over barter”.

Capitalism, he declares, has become a kleptocracy.
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redcliffe62,

11/03/2009 00:36:49
time for brown and darling to go to the imf. healey did it and brown is in a worse position than he was.
iceland has done it and their currency has gane dover a third against the pound in the last 3 months, so the stigma is dithering and achieving nothing as far as the new world in financial markets are concerned.
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Forward not Back,

11/03/2009 01:05:41
#2 - Interesting idea. The first 'big' economy to go to the IMF will precipitate another crisis but at least in UK terms, it will allow the politicians to say that the IMF are imposing the necessary austerity measures.
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Brian Hill,

11/03/2009 01:28:41
We seem to be entering one of the most intense periods of history since the 30s, let's hope we don't have the equivalent 40s.

Scotland should be able to slip through the middle into Independence but there is a danger our aspirations could be crushed in the interests of 'national security', so let's get it right in 2010 to make sure.
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Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 11/03/2009 05:03:16
Just keep your fingers crossed? What an economic policy! Thought all these brainy people knew what they were doing..... WHO IS RUNNING THE SHOW at the moment? AND WHO CAN SEE INTO THE FUTURE? born in 1944, at the end of the last world war, and want to live in peace for the next 20 years please.
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 11/03/2009 06:08:21
this cannot be true,our leader the gibbering eejit comrade broon and his lackey darling stated we were well placed to see out the reccession


WE ARE DOOMED WITH BROON,DOOOMED
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Erick,

Los Angeles 11/03/2009 06:21:46
What is with this irrational hysteria? So there's a recession and our so called leaders have comically, actually pathetically, overreacted. How many recessions have there been in the last 60 years. The answer is at least 10. But now we risk war because the economy isn't growing fast enough? These losers need to get some new medication and counseling.
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Dark Lochnagar,

Symington 11/03/2009 06:46:43
So that's Broon's big idea screwed by the EC. Wonder what superman will do now? Engineer another Bi-Election "win" like Glenrothes to boost the party? The votes are being faked as we speak.
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 11/03/2009 07:00:05
"The economic crisis could even lead to wars as millions of people fall back into poverty, they said."

Aye, it's just been so peaceful up until now, eh? LOL


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donald anderson it's me,

glasgow 11/03/2009 07:10:35
Who can we invade next?
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Louis Catorze,

11/03/2009 07:47:31
Growth less than 0%.

Not growth then.
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 11/03/2009 07:53:17
The really scary thing is we are still not being told the truth.

Very few commentators mention pensions but these funds have been screwed by the collapse in share prices particularly amongst the banks. Perhaps they are hoping for a rapid recovery but that looks less likely by the day. What happens when they default?

Another major problem is that we have lost our manufacturing base to a large extent and therefore the normal positive rebound that follows the pound dropping is no longer there.

For years the UK operated a massive trade gap, supposedly balanced with "invisible earnings" from the banks and insurance sectors. Now these earnings are completely invisible to the point of being non-existant.

As someone who listened to the experts lecturing me that all these businesses that made things were sunset industries and that the finance sector was the sunrise sector future, what do we do now apart from ditching the sunglasses and buying a torch?
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 11/03/2009 08:22:14
Lets just keep an eye on China and not suppose that Russia is idle either in her plans to tackle the West in the hard years ahead.
Both China and Russia already blame the US for the economic crisis...and the root of bitterness has begun to grow.

When the greater number of unemployed in China begin to chew up Law and Order inside China, the next best thing to save the 'empire' from destruction will be to pick a fight with the West and recruit the unemployed masses into the PLA.
Its long been prophesied that China would do an outward march...so lets get ready.
We in Australia aready know that China is coming south.

http://whatwillbecomeofaustraliajackburrell.blogspot.com/
Britain and the US need to make plans to evacuate their citizens from South East Asia and be alert to enacting those plans when the day comes.

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Marian,

11/03/2009 09:12:20
Gordon Brown's plan to create a financial-services economy for the UK has been turned into a nightmare. Clearly the financial-services sector is not going to be the engine of economic growth in future.

The extreme fall in the exchange rate for the UK £pound creates an opportunity for Scotland to become a major manufacturer and exporter again. Scotland should exploit and develop a serious competitive advantage within the EU, its main trading partners.

The Scots Government should abandon the obsession they inherited from New Labour of a 50% target of 18-30 year olds entering higher education. This might have been worthy when the UK was aiming for a financial-services based economy but its not appropriate to a manufacturing based economy such as Scotland should have.

Scotland needs to boost skills at technician level in all engineering disciplines. Scotland doesn't want more thousands of graduates laden with debt doing inferior jobs. What we need is appropriately skilled people doing jobs that can add real value to Scotland's economy.

Funding to Scotland's higher education should be re-directed to giving skills to the majority and leaving the Scots universities to concentrate on what they do best – namely innovation and research, and teaching without the need to dumb down as has been the case elsewhere in the UK under New Labour.

The Scots Government should also introduce generous capital allowances or government grants for new manufacturing facilities.

That would be far more beneficial than investing in toxic bank assets, and would give Scotland a bedrock of wealth creating assets for the future.
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 11/03/2009 09:15:54
Lot of good sense there Marian
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The Former Mr. Angry,

11/03/2009 09:20:18
"Larry Summers, one of the chief economic advisers to US President Barack Obama, called on Monday for more, but he got a blunt "no way" from the EU."

So much for the Saviour of the World and Its Banking Systems. So it would appear that "every other country" pumping vast sums into dead banks basically amounts to the US. When is this loser going to realise that if you continue to reward failure you're going to get more.

He needs to be replaced as he and New Labour are THE toxic assets in the UK. As for war have we not got enough already with Iraq and Afghanistan? Maybe through ridiculous permissiveness on immigration we could be seeing civil war - witness the demos against homecoming troops yesterday.
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John south of Soutra,

11/03/2009 09:25:49
Marian, you have no right to be commenting on this and other threads, as you post far to much common sense.
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Niall,

Cairnbulg Aberdeenshire 11/03/2009 09:49:56
#4 "I await AM2 and Rufus turing it around to the blame of an SNP administration whereby the man they worship, a mr Brown, has wifuly courted this lot along with his tame puppies in the commons , such as Mc Fall and co."

Years ago I got a panning from AM2 for suggesting that the UK's econmy would collapse. I said then that you could not build an economy on massive debt, Furthermore I forecast that Scottish Independence would result in the RUMP UK economy collapsing in utter ruin, because the Scottish economy was the lifejacket barely keeping the nose of the UK's economy above water. Come on AM2 make a comment, you were quick to rubbish me then, will you be so quick to rubbism me now?

'S Mise le meas

Niall Ban
Author of "The Big Lie". "The Great Deception" and "The Great Obfuscation.
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Let's have the truth,

Australia 11/03/2009 11:10:54
#19 Graeme Gibson

If the Chinese "Come South" as you predict, you will be able to bore them to death with your witticisms or alternatively, bash them to death with your bible(s).

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redcliffe62,

11/03/2009 11:40:59
another day, another record low for brown's pound against the powerhouse of european currencies, the icelandic krona, a 36% drop since december.
spud, ecomic genius par excellence, care to advise why the basket case of rekyavik is doing so well when nero brown fiddles in westminster?
this is a story scotsman, where a country of the arc of prosperity was ridiculed by a quisling pollie and yet it has come back and shown brown's vision to be that of a fool.
when doe sit become a story, when the pound drops 40% in 3 months, that means if you had 10,000 pounds invested in an icelandic bank after currency exchange you would now only get 6,000! and an icelander who invested the equivalent of 10,000 pounds would get 13,600, more than double in 3 months!
do norway, denmark, and ireland and have a further laugh as brown's pound disintegrates worldwide.
any unionist care to say that the yookay is better off financially than iceland now, and if so how and why?
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 11/03/2009 12:06:24
The currency of Norway (Arc of Prosperity) is rated seven times safer than the Unionist pound!

Where is Rufus to explain how the World has got this wrong?
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Class On Grass,

In a biscuit tin 11/03/2009 12:07:42

Its getting too sad to just laugh at the bankers who caused this. Did their granny not tell the suited numpties (gov included here) not to throw good money after bad, to cut off at the root any systemic ills, and never to claw your wheerie wi' a whin?
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Sedov,

11/03/2009 12:40:07
Capitalism isn't working and cannot be 'fixed'

Nationalism is another form of capitalism which ends up protecting the nation state leading eventually to conflict and civil war.

Fascism is the extreme form of nationalism and has failed.

Stalinism has failed in Russia, China and Cuba etc

Socialism is the only answer to save the planet.

Simple really so what's all the fuss?

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Tartan Viking,

11/03/2009 12:45:45
The war will be a civil one i.e. when people take to the streets to protest at the grotesque gap between the rich greedy few and the poor peasants.

The announcement in the Times yesterday that the RBS is using £800 million of taxpayers' bail-out cash to fund their own pension scheme so that the rich bankers can retire on big fat salaries is the last straw.

It is utterly obscene that taxpayers money is being used in this way and it amounts to nothing less than theft. It is also disgraceful that the people of this country, most of whom have worked all their years in building the place to be what it is, should wallow in pensions near the breadline, yet a mob of greedy reckless bankers are having their retiremant years funded by us.

If that doesn't tip society I don't know why. One day it surely will.
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Fairfax,

11/03/2009 12:46:13
Postmark.55 (25): "The English will steal both your money and thunder, along with everything else that isn't nailed down."

This is arguably hate-speech. Further, given that Blair (born in Scotland and educated at Fettes), Brown, Darling (naturalised Scot) and Goodwin have done more harm to England than any Scot since the 14th century, why not replace "English" by "Scottish"?
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First Virginian,

USA 11/03/2009 14:37:10
#1 Rob Bennett: "Capitalism, he [Steve Keen] declares, "has become a kleptocracy [a government that steals]."

#37 Sedov: "Capitalism isn't working and cannot be 'fixed.'"


Answer:

Rob and Sedov, this is not Capitalism at work...it is Socialism/Marxism that is at work.

Go to the Ludwig von Mises Institute website to learn the difference between Capitalism [Free Market] and Socialism/Marxism.

The Free Market of Capitalism is alive and well where ever it is allowed its head.

The Obama administration is doing EVERYTHING that will assure that we have a worldwide depression with massive unemployment and civil unrest because of their government intervention...NOT a free market in any way.

Congressman Ron Paul of Texas is working at abolishing the independent, private Federal Reserve Banking System that set off, on purpose, this global meltdown.

No one can blame Capitalism...this is all Socialism at work.
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Sedov,

11/03/2009 15:00:41
#47 Well my American cousin, It is certainly surprising to learn that the massive fall of the banking system in the US and the consenquencies of this such as rising unemployment and the collapse of the US housing market etc is down to socialism.

I never took George Bush as a closet George Galloway! You should write a book about this incredible and shocking discovery.

PS -some simple reading for you: the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx written in the late 19th century but as relevant today as ever. You will love it!
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Fairfax,

11/03/2009 15:11:14
Peter (42): "As for the problems at the RBOS"

Which bank is this? RBS or HBOS?

"they are all occurring in the part of the business run from the City of London - as the new CEO has pointed out. The core part of the original banking business run from Scotland remains highly profitable."

Since you haven't even managed to get the name correct, perhaps you should first check these statements in the FT, say. You might be surprised.
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Fairfax,

11/03/2009 15:21:47
PostMark55 (43): "#39 Fairfax,
The above may be Scots, but work for England, thus my comment"

They have just saddled English taxpayers with an enormous debt. I can see little evidence that they're working for England.

"they also have not worked to free you from the English yoke, why do you think that is?"

I'm English. There is no English yoke -- it's fantasy. Scotland can free itself from the Union at the next election, simply by giving the SNP a strong majority. Therefore there is an increasing English view that our surly lodgers, to use Salmond's description, should stop whinging and vote to leave the Union. Sadly, Scotland seems depressingly wedded to Labour, for whom it has, for the most part, slavishly voted for 50 years -- even the current SNP administration is a minority one.

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Sedov,

11/03/2009 15:46:25
#52 Fairfax. the present crisis is down to a massive systematic failure of the market economy of which Labour, the SNP, the Tory Party the Lib Dems and all the rest embrace and believe in.

The fact that Bush, Brown and a good few others believed so much in the system that they thought it would last forever is neither here nor there, its happened and the lessons must be learned -not by any adjustments or the tinkering of the system by any incoming Tory government but by a fundemental change which would mean a revolutionary programme for any future government.

None of the parties have a desire for a change that would put people before profit. So, whatever party gets in, be it nationalists, Labour or Tory -its just going to be the same misery as before, but with another handle.

Its the system thats broken Mister, in Scotland, England and the whole world.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 11/03/2009 16:49:46
55 True up to a point. But what is fairly uinique is that this particular great depression has happened on the watch of a supposedly left-wing government in the UK. Gordon Brown is well versed in the thinking of the left so he KNEW where the giant speculative bubble surrounding consumer debt and house prices would lead to. That's what makes his actions all the more incredible. Truly incredible.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

11/03/2009 16:58:34
War! . . . at last - something I enjoy !!!
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Fairfax,

11/03/2009 18:10:49
Sedov (55): "#52 Fairfax. the present crisis is down to a massive systematic failure of the market economy"

On the contrary: the failure of our banks is not a failure of the market economy, but a consequence of their massive debt and the mis-pricing of risk in securitization. The market has simply understood their errors and found them wanting. In that sense, our crisis is a sign of market success, in the sense that it has discovered our flaws.

Still, what's your solution? Shall we follow the drab utopia of socialism one more time?
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Conan,

Moffat 11/03/2009 19:29:08
To solve the world's current financial predicament all that needs to be done is to stop buying from China and other communistr mafia-controlled societies where workers have no rights and few benefits and only serve to soak-up wealth from those countries doing business with them. Let's keep that commerce within our own democratic world and there will be more than ample employment, credit and wealth for all. We can then allow the communist mafia bad actors in once they have rid themselves of those corrupt systems of government and not before. Eevry dollar and pound sent to China enriches them and weakens us. Let us stoip providing the money that keeps the communist mafia in power and allows them to continue to tyrannize the great Peoples of China. Currently, China is hell-bent on a programme of masive armament whose sole purpose is to dominate and intimidate it neighbours and continue the subjegation of its own people. let is put a stop to that - NOW.
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Polly Ann,

11/03/2009 19:38:35
Obama is the reason the behind the downfall of the worlds economies. Socialism has failed everywhere else. Why would it work in the USA?

Great video

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6b4_1235260822
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Graeme Gibson,

11/03/2009 20:06:38
Lets have the truth Australia #32

Its very possible that China will move south into the South Pacific...later on.

Visions and prophecies from the Lord have been coming on this very subject of an asian invader...since the mid-1970s.
Many christians believe its going to happen and that God will Allow it because of the sins of the Australian people.
Many christians believe that God will Allow an attack upon the US by a combined China/Russia force because of her sins.
This would open the door for China to move anywhere she wants.
The many Chinese spies on Australian soil are obviously part of the 'pre-invasion years' spying project.
I would say that if you are an Australian...and not a PLA plant...and young enough... that one day you are going to get conscripted to fight the Chinese; in at least the norther part of Australia.
Best you petition our glorious China-loving Prime Minister Mr Kevin Rudd for some decent defences.
For all I know Kevins great love of China has already weakened the nation.
Pray for Australia...she needs it big time.
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Carolyn 1,

11/03/2009 21:10:46
Until we rebuild factories to build products, the economy cannot recover.

I remember Andy Rooney at the end of 60 minutes would do a short satire,- one show he held up a hook used to hang Christmas ornaments and he complained, 'why can't we make this in America? What is so difficult?

first we lost the manufacturers; then we lost the factories that made the equipment for factories and then because there were no factories we had no manufacturing jobs.
At some point when we were making nothing, we lost the economy.
When we start to make something again, the economy will start to recover.
It isn't rocket science.
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Brian Hill,

11/03/2009 21:54:14
No doubt London is already planned to step up its usual plunder of the English regions, Scotland and Wales.

Schuman was right Small is Beautiful, especially in a recession.

We are already small and in November 2010 we have the chance to become beautiful.
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Conan,

Moffat 11/03/2009 23:51:52
#64 - Never mind this rubbish of 'praying for Oz'. What Oz (and NZ) need to do is get real regarding their own defences.

They need to expand their Navies by at least 400% and have at least 24 submarines and at least four carriers of the US size. Give the RAAF at least 500 front line fighters and at least 200 long range bombers, plus whatever supporting aircraft may be needed. Beef-up the Army by at least 400%. And shed this irrational reluctance to obtain and deploy nuclear weapons - Oz needs at least 400 warheads and delivery vehicles just tou counter the evetual China/India/Indonesia emerging threat.

Do all that and Oz and NZ will remain free and prosperous.

Do it not and look forward to invasion, subjegation and death.

We can quibble on the details - but the point is that the Florida National Guard and Air Guard could likely invade Oz and NZ in a weekend before there were enough Oz and NZ troops sober enough to do anything.
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 12/03/2009 09:30:01
Youre right Conan.
The problem lies in Canberra.
Decade after decade they were content to sit under the US nuclear umbrella as China and Indonesia built big military forces....for invasion of the region, I have little doubt.
They blew the money that might have gone to Defence on other things.
Now they are in a pickle.
Not a gun in the cupboard for a citizens home guard defence force and the world is slipping towards war.
Its like the Chinese spies.
Not enough money or courage to kick them out.
And yes... we do need to pray for Australia.
The christians do know the value of prayer.
Prayer will achieve more than a million guns.
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Let's have the truth,

Australia 12/03/2009 11:15:51
Graeme Gibson

"Its like the Chinese spies.
Not enough money or courage to kick them out".

That's a very racist statement for a Christian.


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Conan,

Moffat 12/03/2009 20:41:22
#73, in defense of Gibson, there is nothing 'racist' about his comments. The fact is that China has many spies in Ozland whose primary purpose is gathering economic data, then military/invasion/takover data. You may chose to refuse to accept that - but one day your folly will come to haunt you.
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Let's have the truth,

Australia 13/03/2009 00:08:59
#75 Conan

"military/invasion"

Just how many "spies" from western countries are operating in China and many other countries of the world?

When you accept that EVERY country with economic interests have spies EVERWHERE including China you may be a little less paranoid.

You can also be assured that Australia has spies in China.



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Conan,

Moffat 13/03/2009 00:18:45
The point was your accusation of Gibson's 'racism' ... as you had so mischaracterized his remarks. BTW - its been a year or more ... have you found the 'truth' yet, or are you still looking?
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Graeme Gibson,

Sydney Australia 13/03/2009 06:48:32
I wasnt being racist.
Australia is infested with Chinese spies.
China says that they are agents watching Chinese nationals in Australia and Falun Gong...but the truth is they are here as prep for invasion a few years into the future.
They will have plans to go all of the way to Great Britain and to give payback for what the Anglos did in the Opium Wars.
God will destroy the Chinese army at a place called Armageddon.
The Book of Revelation tells us this.
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Let's have the truth,

Australia 13/03/2009 12:03:32
Graeme Gibson

"God will destroy the Chinese army at a place called Armageddon".

maybe you could hasten their demise by uttering a few Hail Marys.
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Dr Egg,

Heaven 13/03/2009 12:49:41
Wow! A proper looney! Whoo-hoo!

 

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