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Russian troops reported continuing advance into Georgia despite cease-fire



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Published Date: 13 August 2008
RUSSIA was accused of breaking its truce with Georgia today by sending a military convoy from the captured town of Gori deeper into the country.
Georgia's security chief said Russian forces had earlier bombed and looted Gori.

Meanwhile in the breakaway coastal province of Abkhazia reports said troops moved out into Georgian territory and planted a flag.

The troops were identified as a f
ew dozen rebels from Abkhazia who planted their flag on a bridge over the Inguri River in a challenge to Georgian sovereignty.

"This is Abkhazian land," said one. They said they were laying claim to what has historically been Abkhazian territory and that Georgian troops left without challenging them.

The fighters had crossed a thin slice of land dotted with Georgian villages and planted their red, white and green flag at what they say is the traditional frontier between Abkhazian and Georgian territory.

"The border has been along this river for 1,000 years," separatist official Ruslan Kishmaria said at the bridge.

He said Georgia would have to accept the new border and taunted the Georgian forces who had left in recent days by saying they had received "American training in running away."

Meanwhile Russia denied that it had sent tanks into Gori but did admit some Russian soldiers moved there.

A reporter with the Associated Press saw dozens of tanks and military vehicles leaving Gori, roaring south.

Soldiers waved at journalists and one soldier shouted to a photographer: "Come with us, beauty, we're going to Tbilisi!"

The developments came less than 12 hours after Georgia's president said he accepted a cease-fire plan brokered by France. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said yesterday that Russia was halting military action because Georgia had paid enough for its attack last week on South Ossetia.

About 50 Russian tanks entered Gori today, according to Georgian defence official, Alexander Lomaia.

Russia insisted that no tanks were in the town but reporters and television crews saw several dozen Russian military trucks and armoured vehicles speeding out.

Russia also said sporadic clashes continued in South Ossetia where Georgian snipers fired sporadically on Russian troops who returned fire.



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  • Last Updated: 13 August 2008 2:15 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Georgia , Russia
 
1

AJ Fife,

13/08/2008 15:07:14
Who's telling the porky pies this time?

There doesn't seem to be anything to choose between the two sides, when it comes to underhandedness and out and out violence!
2

Neil,

Glasgow 13/08/2008 16:09:13
My guess is the the porky is coming from the western media. If for no other reason than that the Georgian army has clearly disintegrated & the Russians could advance wherever they wanted, without having to fool the Georgians with a fake ceasefire, if that was what they wanted.

If I am proven wrong I will apologise tomorrow. If the western media are, I very much doubt if they will ;-)

3

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 13/08/2008 16:28:42
unofficial reports circulating in the US are that 2 US soldiers have been killed in the fighting so far. There were 1,000 US soldiers in Georgia until they were mostly withdrawn on August 8, about 3 days after fighting began. There are still today 124 US soldiers among the Georgians. Also, there are mercenaries killed and the mercenaries could easily be either American or US-funded.

The idiot-president laughs & jokes on world-tv with President Putin while US soldiers fight against Russia. The man is obscene. George Washington used to go to the front himself.



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13/08/2008 16:57:47
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Neil,

Glasgow 13/08/2008 17:38:23
The officers the US supplied to organise the Krajina genocide were officially on sabbatical & supplied through MPRI, a mercenary organistaion controlled by government officials. They thus weren't official American soldiers but they effect was the same. This is known as plausible deniability.
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13/08/2008 17:49:50
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Vasya,

13/08/2008 18:50:12
What Russia is doing now it is just making all possible to prevent repetition of any kind of what Georgia did. Georgian army ideed disintegrated but Bush junior already asked Pentagon (who else - best choice ever) to provide HUMANITARIAN help to Georgia.
Sorry, so back to Georgian army that dropped tonns of military ammunition tanks and artillery systems when they ran from Russian army. Here is the evidence
http://sirjones.livejournal.com/786777.html
Just for information. Russian army does not have artillery system on wheels as it is shown on pictures.

So special forces well trained but very limited in number just pick this dropped military stuff and move it to Osetia.
Unfortunately in the buffer zone between russian army and georgians there is no police and robbery and banditism is flourishing right now. Especially in Gory which is left by any officials. Alas(((
8

Itchy,

13/08/2008 19:42:37
All the commies out in force I see.

Somehow, this is all America's fault despite Putin's well documented tyranny.

Western communists will sink to any depths.
9

K McDonald,

Glasgow 13/08/2008 20:20:54
Itchy,13/08/2008 19:42:37
Western communists will sink to any depths.<<

Russian spokesmen are masters of the Big Lie. It is depressing (as one who is old enough to have lived through the cold war) that so many well-intentioned Westerners fall for the Russian line that it was really the Georgians who were the aggressors. Victims as victimisers. How anyone can equate reporting by The Times/CNN/Scotsman/Figaro/Scotsman/Dagens Nyheter/ The Herald et-al with the likes of Pravda.ru, Russia Today etc is beyond belief.




10

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 13/08/2008 20:26:47
I'm sick of anti-American people like Itchy who want to see Americans die in useless wars.

Consider the possibility that Georgia is behaving as a puppet of US. Why were thousands of Georgian troops in Iraq in support of US-puppet government in Iraq? because they are puppets.

Georgian leaders were likely paid large amounts of money on a private basis to lead their armed forced into suicidal conflict with Russia.

The US paid Ethiopia to overthrow Somalia government in early 2007. This is how things are done. The US leaders who love war are not loyal to the American nation. Only anti-Americans support them.

The US should withdraw all troops from all 70 countries that it has troops in currently. Example - Ecuador has repeatedly asked the US military to vacate Ecuador and the US has not done it. Instead, the response is that the US is now heavily funding Ecuadorian politicians who oppose Ecuador government. This is not right. This is empire. This is not freedom. What did George Washington say about foreign entanglements? The people who support US empire are anti-American.

11

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 13/08/2008 20:33:03
The MPRI is a US-based mercenary outfit funded almost entirely by the US government. It works for the US government. They have been involved in many shady things. For example - about 7 years ago they were among Albanian troops that invaded Macedonia and engaged in ethnic cleansing activities. There were about 30 Americans in a group of maybe 120 soldiers who went from village to village in Macedonia (after invading from Albania) telling the people of non-Albanian ethnic background to leave their homes or die. The Macedonian military surrounded them and were going to kill them. But the US government stopped them from doing so because of the American mercenaries among the terrorists.

This is normal for the US government. Only anti-Americans support that government.

The Russians say they're fighting against mercenaries. It is probable that the US paid for those mercenaries. and as I said above, 2 actual US soldiers (not mercenaries) have already been killed in the fighting.
12

Dougie, Edinburgh,

13/08/2008 21:17:17
8 Itchy
I'm very much an anti-communist and on some issues quite pro-American but quite clearly, Georgia is the aggressor in this case. The war started when they killed hundreds of non-Georgian Ossetians (2000 according to Russian propaganda) by artillery fire. You can't seriously expect Russia to sit by. If anything Russia has been reasonably restrained.
13

Dougie, Edinburgh,

13/08/2008 21:25:09
11 Wally
Hi Wally, do you have any links to news articles about the Americans being killed?
14

mk-ultra,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 21:37:00
#9 K.McDonald wrote:

"It is depressing (as one who is old enough to have lived through the cold war) that so many well-intentioned Westerners fall for the Russian line that it was really the Georgians who were the aggressors. Victims as victimisers. How anyone can equate reporting by The Times/CNN/Scotsman/Figaro/Scotsman/Dagens Nyheter/ The Herald et-al with the likes of Pravda.ru, Russia Today etc is beyond belief."

As a matter of fact, "The Times" has reported that the conflict was initiated by Georgia.

"Georgian forces attack Russian-backed separatists"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4481342.ece

Then there's the Telegraph:

"When he burst on to television screens across the world last week, speaking perfect English, Mikheil Saakashvili looked every inch the charismatic New York-trained lawyer that he is.
Known to friends as "Misha" the cosmopolitan 40-year-old is unquestionably brilliant, speaks half a dozen languages and has a Dutch wife he met in Paris.
But Mr Saakashvili has handed Russia a victory it could scarcely have dreamed of - his decision to invade South Ossetia has left his army humiliated and he could soon be fighting for his political life with no prospect of any meaningful help from his Western allies.
How did he make such a catastrophic blunder? "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2547517/Georgia-Mikheil-Saakashvili-the-man-who-lost-it-all.html
15

K McDonald,

13/08/2008 21:48:15
Dougie

It was a very well played Russian setup. Georgia villages where being shelled from South Ossetia and Georgia responded by trying to take the area back. It’s a legitimate use of self defense, but again, the Russians set them up hoping for this.

The Russians had a large force ready to roll. It takes time to get an army in place and they where moving almost right away. Georgia was stupid, but again this is an act of aggression by a larger imperialist power with a turn-the-clock-back agenda. Not one of the former Soviet colonies wants to go back to the a Neo-USSR. Read the reactions of the leaders of the Baltic States, Poland, Ukraine.

Russia is a fabulous country with fantastic people. They deserve better politicians than the crew of gangsters they have today.


16

Pilrig.,

Livingston 13/08/2008 22:13:24
8 - not so much Commies as imperialist apologists. Russia is a capitalist state now, even though it's boss-man thinks he's the reincarnation of Uncle Joe.
Anyway, your Prez is saying the right things re the invasion of Georgia, but he'd have been arguing from a position of strength if he hadn't played silly b*ggers in Iraq
17

Pilrig.,

Livingston 13/08/2008 22:16:22
12 - Putin disnae care a rouble aboot the South-Ossetians any more than Hitler cared about the Sundetenlanders. It's an excuse for the Bear to use its claws.
18

Vasya,

13/08/2008 22:18:05
#15 They have been shelling each other for years. But this time two hours after Saakashvilli announced cease fire in the night when people in Tshinvali went to bed in bedrooms not in cellars he attacked with all his forces on sleeping city. Rocket artellery systems Saakashvilli used are front line systems to bomb SQUARES not precies target weapon. I wish you never be in the center of that bombing. If you can imagine that russian paid THIS price for setting bloody maniac Saakashvili - you are wrong. Of course both sides were preparing. Just 7 days before Georgian trrops had military training with 1000 US troops. The same russians. The difference was in one thing. It was Georgia who wanted to attack, not Russia. Were Georgians beware of the consequences of their attack??? Yes they were. Nevertheless... They deliberately deceived peacekeepers and Osetiaans two hours before - very good tactical trick but very treacherous do not you find???
So I guess these motherlovers should suffer a bit. It is good sometimes to wash brains with shock. Saakashvili is typcal demagog and in terms of talking , yes.. that's the best he can do. He gave about dozen "lives" on CNN and what does he say except that russians are evil and georgians is a small peacefull nation on the frontline of democracy suffering from imperial ambitions of rude russian bear)))
19

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 13/08/2008 22:22:07
Dougie in #13:

unfortunately, I do not have a link on that. A relative who is in the US Marines told me that he read it on a military blog. I won't ask him for a link. He said that it was an unofficial report and that it would not be in the news. This is normal, believe me, the US takes losses that are not reported.

I had a friend once who was in US Army's special forces during the early 1980's, he told me that he went on missions where our people were killed and that it was never reported.

Even in Iraq, US journalist Dahr Jamail witnessed US military deaths that are not reported. Germans who work in US military hospitals in Germany have also blogged that the real death toll in Iraq was dramatically higher than reported.
20

Vasya,

13/08/2008 22:44:52
Official site of South Osetia (www.osradio.ru) said that two blackskin solders were found dead among corps of attacked georgians. In Georgia or Russia altogether you can find not more than 300 black people born in these countries. So, 99,9% probability that those dead blacks are americans. One or two were taken as prisoners of war alive. They are under arrest in North Osetia capital Vladikavkaz now. Most probably sooner or later they will be shown on russian TV - it will be not shown on CNN.
21

Vasya,

13/08/2008 22:47:35
Once I saw news that a helicopter was shot down full of americam military advisors.
22

Newman!,

13/08/2008 22:48:13
I thought Simon Jenkins in the Guardian called it very well today.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/13/russia.georgia
23

henrymanchester,

UK 13/08/2008 23:05:13
I doubt very much Russian and the US really have the will to go the distance with this.

MAD still holds.
24

Newman!,

13/08/2008 23:25:51
I see John McCain's chief foreign policy adviser is in the pay of the Georgian government, ha ha. Google it. Is it bomb Russia before or after Iran??
25

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 13/08/2008 23:34:52
Vasya

I think the real reason for the slick, pre-meditated Russian onslaught/retaliation, was to to warn Georgia (a sovereign, democratic state) and Ukraine ( a much bigger sovereign, democratic state,) that they had better think twice about joining NATO.

Now this is clearly 'bully boy' tactics of the lowest order, but what's most worrying is that they seem to have perpetual siege mentality, where they believe everyone is against them. In the past, there was a clear ideological divide between NATO and the Warsaw Pact countries, and you could understand why this mentality existed. But for god's sake, why can't Russia not join NATO?
26

K McDonald,

Glasgow 13/08/2008 23:57:41
23 henrymanchester,UK 13/08/2008 23:05:13
I doubt very much Russian and the US really have the will to go the distance with this. MAD still holds.>>

MAD holds more so now than during the cold war. Unlike the ideologically driven Soviets, Putin and his gangster-capitalist clique have all those billions of petro-dollars stashed away in Switzerland. They will want to spend it someday. I think the Will of the former Soviet colonies will prevail. They will not tolerate a return to the days when their political destinies are dictated by imperialist "chess players" in the Kremlin. Hopefully the Russian people will wake-up to the fact the their natural resources are still in the hands of the few, just like in the Yeltsin days.
27

James Donald,

Newbridge 14/08/2008 08:37:33
#21 Vasya - Blow more smoke - I can still see through your propaganda. My Ukrainian friends warn me never to trust a Russian and I am inclined to agree.
28

Neil,

Glasgow 14/08/2008 10:54:30
It is quite obvious now that the headline claim here - that Russian forces are continuing to advance - was a lie. I said in post 2 I would apologise if it turned out to be true. I did not expect the British media (the claim was made in other papers too) to apologise if it turned out to be a lie & indeed they haven't. The entire Georgia story seems to unimportant for the Scotsman to report it at all today.

Just like our government kidnapping & dissecting hundreds of Serbs for our hospitals has never been ompotant enough to report.
29

SouthernGent,

14/08/2008 16:05:43
Russia has been "occupying" parts of Georgia for years in the form of russian "peacekeepers", yet posters on here have the audacity to say Georgia is the aggressor. Peacekeepers are from neutral countries, not from occupying countries. If Russia deems the need to have peackeepers in the area, they have a seat on the UN security council for that purpose. Have they requested troops from the UN?? - NO. It would be no different than the UK putting troops in Argentina as "peacekeepers" for the falkland islands.

Pure hogwash.
30

Neil,

Glasgow 14/08/2008 17:09:39
Or NATO putting "peacekeepers" in Yugoslavia. I take it you are on record as having opposed that.

Ih fact "peacekeeper" menas simply somebody whop keeps the peace. Russia did that in Ossetia right up to the time they had to restore it. Western "peacekeeprs" who claimed to have disarmed Moslem Nazis on Srebrenica but in fact were merely providing a shield so that they could murder 3,800 Serb civilians were not technically peacekepers. There are a number of terms for such people but "war criminals" & "murderers" are 2.

Obviously NATO powers that promised to maintain peace & disarm the KLA but instead gave them police uniforma & sent them out to murder, rape & disect people were not keeping peace either.

There are a number of people who wish we had supported that nice Mr Hitler to exterminate Russians.Fortunately they were not inpower at the time.

It is literally impossible for anybody who believes in equal humanity for all to say anything against Russia in this instance that they did not, at the time, say against the corrupt genocidal, child raping, Nazi war criminals of the KLA, NATO, Westminster & their media jackals.
31

Vasya,

14/08/2008 20:09:34
#27 James, darling... Does your wife knows that you spend so much time watching me???
By the way... Europian countries are in shock asking what could it be if Georgia was NATO member. The humiliation of west could be much stronger because in that case Georgia would also be left...
So Europe and US go in different directions and US is loosing it is political autority so fast that they started forming new fllet to control South Atlantic (South America) te zone of full US control. So do not look to much at Russia loving men, James... take a look in reality face. West goes down...
32

SouthernGent,

14/08/2008 20:30:29
Funny how a certain poster continually preaches "international law", yet in his own posts is able to pick and choose when that "law" should apply. I believe that is called hypocrisy.
33

James Donald,

Newbridge 15/08/2008 08:55:10
#31 Vasya - Sorry to disappoint you petal if you are looking for a ne boyfriend, but I am strictly "sunny side up".
If Georgia had been a NATO member (not that dealing in "ifs" and "Buts" has much meaning), it would have been better trained and equipped and would have exacted a heavier toll on the Russian Army with their conscripts and Cold War weaponry. So there would have been no "if", Russia would not have dared.
Difficult to understand your pidgin English sonny boy, but bullying the Georgians does not equate to your poxy country eclipsing the West. We heard how great your Soviet Union was for years but it collapsed like a pack of cards with hardly a shot fired. Have fun (while it lasts) at your next Pamyat meeting.
34

Corsair,

Gothenburg 15/08/2008 12:52:27
#7 Vasja: "...Just for information. Russian army does not have artillery system on wheels as it is shown on pictures." - Dear Vasja; would you kindly tell everybody what is a 152mm SpGH DANA?
35

Corsair,

Gothenburg 16/08/2008 09:55:14
Further on #7:

Very well, Vasya; I shall enlighten you.

We are talking of an excellent Russian artillery system, an armoured 152mm self-propelled gun howizer on 8x8 chassis - on wheels, that is - also deployed in South Ossetia, just as we saw in TV...

 

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