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Russia's president warns against war while parading its military might



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Published Date: 10 May 2008
DMITRY Medvedev, the president of Russia, yesterday warned against "irresponsible ambitions" that lead to war, as tanks and missile-launchers rumbled over Red Square in a show of fire-power not seen since the fall of the Soviet Union.
In his first major public event since taking office, Mr Medvedev told 8,000 troops and guests at a ceremony to mark the Soviet victory over Nazi Germany that Russia would not tolerate "disrespect for international law".

War veterans boasting ches
tfuls of medals applauded, some with tears in their eyes, as supersonic fighter jets and bombers screamed overhead in formation and impeccably uniformed, goose-stepping honour guards saluted the Russian flag.

"We must treat very seriously any attempt to sow racial or religious enmity, foment the ideology of terror and extremism or meddle in other states' affairs, especially by redrawing borders," Mr Medvedev said.

Anatoly Serdyukov, the defence minister, rode past the massed ranks of troops in an open-top limousine to take their salute, barking congratulations on the 63rd anniversary of Russia's Second World War victory, which cost more than 20 million lives.

An emotional Vladimir Putin, the former president and newly-appointed prime minister, sat next to Mr Medvedev on a viewing platform listening to a brass band and watching the parading troops, but did not speak.

It was Mr Putin who, as president, ordered the revival of the Soviet tradition of parading military hardware through Red Square on Victory Day for the first time since 1990. Mr Medvedev succeeded him as president on Wednesday.

Polls showed the decision was popular with most Russians, hoping to restore some of Russia's greatness and power after the chaos that followed the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.

But experts say that for all Mr Putin's new investment in the military – an eightfold increase to an annual £20 billion during his eight years in office – it still has a long way to go to restore its Soviet-era might.

Much of the spending has been squandered through cronyism, mismanagement and corruption, it is said. "Our armed forces are merely a bad copy of the Soviet army," said Vladimir Dvorkin, a retired general and a former arms control expert with the Russian defence ministry.

Ignoring the controversy, veterans were proud to see tanks, anti-aircraft missiles and nuclear-missile launchers back in Red Square. "We can sleep easily at night with an army like this," said Yakob Vasilyevich, who was a pilot in the Second World War.

Gesturing to the Tu-160 supersonic bomber whistling overhead, he added: "That can carry ten nuclear bombs – if we used them, it would be as if Europe had never existed."

Mr Putin denied this week that the parade was intended as sabre-rattling. "However, it is a demonstration of our growing potential in the defence sphere," he said.

Military attachés from Russia's traditional arms clients – Venezuela, India, China and Africa – turned out in force for the parade, many snapping shots of the 46-tonne T-90 tanks and videoing the giant Topol-M nuclear-missile launchers. But Western military analysts say Moscow's shows of force mask deep, unsolved problems of men, equipment and money inside the armed forces. Front-line troops are still badly paid, poorly housed and rely on outdated weaponry, they said.

The authorities were keen to bury some Communist traditions. Mr Medvedev and Mr Putin watched the parade from a viewing platform, rather than from atop the mausoleum containing the body of Lenin as Soviet leaders used to do.

The mausoleum was shrouded in a hoarding bearing the Russian flag, hiding it from view.







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  • Last Updated: 09 May 2008 10:01 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Mashimaro,

China 10/05/2008 01:39:54
Mind the slant, it's a slippery slope in reporting.
2

Dáithí,

San Jose 10/05/2008 03:41:37
From the article:

"Gesturing to the Tu-160 supersonic bomber whistling overhead, he added: "That can carry ten nuclear bombs – if we used them, it would be as if Europe had never existed."

EUROPE? Not the US, or China, or Iran, or anyone else - no, if they used them then it would be as if EUROPE hand never existed.

Interesting.
3

Yane,

10/05/2008 03:48:24
#1 Aint that the truth. The one wee line indicating it was a celebration of victory over the Nazis is lost in the kerfuffle.
Still, the older I get the more of a genius Orwell seems to have been.
Did they ever find who killed Anna Politkovskaya?
I won't forget you Anna.
4

W Smith,

Middle East 10/05/2008 04:22:15
1) Russia's population is around 145 million compared to the USA's 300 million.

2) Average salary is around USD 550/month.

If this was the average salary in the USA under George Bush you would have heard about it.

3) Low birth rates and high death rates means that Russia's population will fall further.

4) The Red Army has fallen to 1.1million from 4 million under communism.

5) Ex-KGB agent and 'socialist' Putin is rumoured to be worth billions thanks to all the backhanders he's received and he basicallly controls Russia's oil industry while the rabid lefties in Scotland rabbit on and on about Dick Cheney.

6) Most small businesses in Russia have to pay monthly 'contributions' to the local mafia. Putin has not taken action against the mafia as he is too busy 'standing up' to the USA.

An age old trick used by corrupt dictators all over the world.

7) Russia's manufacturing industry is still dodgy and if their military equipment is built to the same standards as their commercial passenger jets then God help them.
5

Dáithí,

San Jose 10/05/2008 04:43:51
From the article:

>"The authorities were keen to bury some Communist traditions..."

Hahaha, so is ANYONE that has lived under communism!

The only people that think that communism works are self-infatuated, navel-gazing, boring Leftists that have never lived under it but think that in theory, it looks good.
6

Yane,

10/05/2008 04:48:18
#5 Have you lived under communism Daithi? Couldn't imagine too many pinkos in San Jose, still you never know. Also - what dya reckon 'works' & for who?
7

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 10/05/2008 04:58:57
Hello All,

Finally, a direct quote from a Russian who represents no small number of his fellow citizens and most assuredly the former head of the KGB; Putin.

Those whom do not believe that Russia is preparing to force Europe (the EU memberstates) to knuckle under to all Russian demands, is still living in fantasyland and denying the historical record.

Putin turned the Energy Spigot off when Europe and the Ukraine got 'uppity'; that SHOULD have been a wake up call for every rational and sane European (and Brit), but the majority of Europeans are in full 'Chamberlain Mode' (Peace in Our Time), and so refuse to see the writing on the wall.

Putin's turning off of the Energy Spigot and his REPEATED public statements that he'd do it whenever he pleased, should Europe or the Ukraine 'threaten' Russia (Putin's definition of 'threaten' is rather interesting-it has usually meant simply disagreeing with Putin).

The Second Warning was when Putin threatened two EU Member States; Poland and the Czech Republic, with NUCLEAR OBLITERATION should they go against Russia's demand that no ABM systems be put in place.

Now we have the Russia threatening Georgia with war, if the Georgians do not kowtow to Russian demands.

I'd ask how long it'll take for Brits and Europeans to wise up to the real and present threat Russia represents, but you lot have proven you will not discard your Chamberlain-esque mindsets: you deserve to become enslaved to Russia, which you shall most certainly become.

Cheers from the Rockies
8

Dáithí,

San Jose 10/05/2008 06:09:30
#6 - Yane

>"#5 Have you lived under communism Daithi? "

Nope.

I've never been a drug addict either, but you don't have to be one to see that it's not a good thing, eh?

If it were so great, how come the authorities were keen to bury Communist traditions?

"Couldn't imagine too many pinkos in San Jose..."

Really? so let me get this straight - you present yourself to know about a place you've no experience with (San Jose), but you chastise me for my opinion on some place I've no experience with (Russia under communism)?

It doesn't seem that you are willing to apply the same rules to yourself that you want to apply to me.
9

Mashimaro,

China 10/05/2008 06:32:09
#7 "Putin turned the Energy Spigot off when Europe and the Ukraine got 'uppity'; that SHOULD have been a wake up call for every rational and sane European (and Brit), but the majority of Europeans are in full 'Chamberlain Mode' (Peace in Our Time), and so refuse to see the writing on the wall."

You guys are just so funny. OOOOHHH...the nasty russkis are a commin'. Sheesh. Give it a rest.
Let's understand some facts:

Russia shut of fuel to the Ukraine over a price war.
The Ukraine was getting its fuel a a very favourable rate and Russia decided it should pay full price.

The UKRAINE shut off the fuel to Europe because it was stealing the fuel it didn't want to pay full price for.

Putin is a god and your leaders are not fit to kiss his boots.

10

Mashimaro,

China 10/05/2008 06:33:06
Who's a fluffy cubby then...getting those scardy cat Brits in a froth...
11

57Nomad,

california 10/05/2008 07:14:23
#9 Mash

Mash said:

"Putin is a god and your leaders are not fit to kiss his boots."

Isn't he kind of short to be a god?

12

gus1940,

Edinburgh 10/05/2008 08:23:36
While Venezuela is now a recipient of arms after several attempts by the US to overthrow the Chavez regime it is certsinly not a traditional recipient of arms from Russia.

As ye sow (US meddling in and trying to destabilise other countries) so shall ye reap.
13

Venachar,

10/05/2008 09:03:23
Yeh nothing changes in Russia. Still bully boys at heart. Putin has his own version of the Brown Shirts so morphing the May Day parade into a triumph 60 odd years ago is pretty pathetic.
Putin is about to get involved in Georgia, lets see what happens in the next month or so.
14

Mashimaro,

China 10/05/2008 09:53:14
11 Well, he's a little god. Give the man credit where credit is due. He rode into town, cleaned up the bad dudes and now he's riding into the sunset - but the eyes of the ranger are upon you....*cue guitar here*...
15

Mashimaro,

China 10/05/2008 09:53:52
#12 gus you got the yankees number man.
16

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10/05/2008 10:12:25
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17

McGinty,

10/05/2008 10:38:51
Chinese have killed 50 million of their own people, Russians 60 million and both criticise Britain for its involvement in the Middle East. Pots and kettles methinks, the difference being that in this country we are allowed to acknowledge our mistakes.
18

Venachar,

10/05/2008 10:44:58
#15

What's this with the England thing? Are you Kelvin Mckenzie or what?

Wales, Ireland and Scotland pay taxes too! I won't say who's oil it is I'll leave that to others.
19

Mashimaro,

10/05/2008 10:45:09
#17 And what has that got to do with the topic?

Oh, by the way... is it better to kill millions of other people's people? It always seems to be the mantra of the west Killed millions of their OWN people.

Can't you just accept that mistakes were made?
20

Venachar,

10/05/2008 10:45:45
My typeing is rubbish of course it should have been #16.
21

bluehead,

Edinburgh 10/05/2008 11:26:21
with American sabre rattling what else do you expect
22

Vasya,

Holland 10/05/2008 17:19:48
USSR lost 27 milliom people (mostly russians) in that war. There is nothing pathetic in military parade on Red Square except those who try to make stupid comments about this.
Do you really think that after 1992 when Georgia invaded Abkhazia and killed many peoples abkhazians would forget it and want to become part of Georgia again??? Situation there is even more clear than in Kosovo where NATO did what Abkhazia did itself. Russians there as peasekeepers for 15 years. And peace is still there. If you have information feel free to share. Georgia wants invade Abkhazia again so Russia increased the number of peasekeepers even not to the upper limit pointed in treaty with Georgia. So relax guys and try to fill the brain space washed out by rusophobic brain washing with real facts.
#6 I was born and lived in USSR and live often for long periods in Russia. So what?? Tell me the terrible things about it to scare me))) You can cheat western guys who have no real idea about what was going on there but not me... So believe me, guys, it was not so bad as some media try to show. What do most of you really know about Russia except size, nuclear weapon and bears on streets (joke). It was far from ideal but who said capitalistic system is ideal?
#3 Good news for you. They found who killed Politkovsaya? A group of scum consisting of chechen bandits and it is not a joke russian nationalists. Feel beter? Putin has nothing to it, as well as to suicidal painter in Berlin or stupid low rank ex-KGB agent earning money by radioactive material smuggling Litvinenko. Once again... Relax guys. Time of ideology is over in Russia. Putin is pragmatic and London Stock Exchange is much more important for him than 1000 Litvinenko. And you are much more idealistic to believe these farytails about evil Putin not sleeping but thinking to kill all who said anything wrong about him)))
23

Carolyn 1,

10/05/2008 17:32:28
Yane @ 3

In reference to Politkovskaya's murder (and the murder of many other writers)- Russian will never be transparent.

The Czech Republic has courage that few other European nations have.

In a bold statement to the world, the Czech government is a defender of human rights and the freedom of speech. They are supporting a Prague group- People in Need who want to name a street in Prague in memory of Anna Politkovskaya.

Considering that Politkovskaya was a very outspoken critic of Putin, and murdered for it, Czechs think honouring her will 'irk' the Russians and cause trouble for Czechs, yet they still move forward with the will to stand down Russian control and manipulation.

I thought it was interesting that the Prague committee is deciding whether to give the writer's name to a new street being built, or to use her name and memory to rename a 'controversial' old street from the communist controlled era of their history- such as Konevova Street.
24

Vasya,

10/05/2008 17:47:04
General Konev was a chief of Soviet Army troops which defeated Nazies in Czech Republic in 1944-45))) Of course it was better under Nazi occupation. Czechs produced very good tank and artillery systems for nazies when they were sold to Hitler by UK and France in 1940.
25

Black Beard,

10/05/2008 20:03:30
21 Bluehead, how on Earth does your mind twist this to blame the US? Here's a hint for you: Napolean and World Wars one and two. Russians have very valid reasons to worry about the EU.

Seriously, I'd love to know your thought process.
26

Yane,

10/05/2008 23:01:48
#8 Nope. Didn't claim at all to know anything about San Jose. You missed yer big chance to edumacate me. Didn't say what works & for who Daithi?

#23 Thank you for that Carolyn.
27

Dáithí,

San Jose 11/05/2008 02:24:02
#26 - Yane

>"Didn't claim at all to know anything about San Jose"

Really? Then what did you base this statement of yours on?

>"Couldn't imagine too many pinkos in San Jose..."

Evidently you are basing this on some knowledge of the amount of 'pinko's' in San Jose?

>"Didn't say what works & for who Daithi?"

Well, here's an opportunity for some edumecation! Head to Korea, look to the North, then to the South - and let us know which systems work, and which ones don't.

You should find plenty of 'pinko's' on one side of the fence - I'm guessing that they're on the side of the failed system.

Now my turn - make sure you report back! ;)
28

Yane,

11/05/2008 05:30:12
What a shame, still no clear answer, just a strange comment about Korea.
29

Dáithí,

San Jose 11/05/2008 05:53:01
#28 - Yawn

>"What a shame, still no clear answer, just a strange comment about Korea."

As I've had to remind you before Yawn, just because you can't understand the answer doesn't mean that you weren't given one.

When you ask 'what dya reckon 'works' & for who?, I responded with two examples, North and South, in Korea, and left it to you to examine what works, and for whom - exactly as you asked.

You failed. I can assume now that you either didn't understand the answer or it wasn't what you expected, so are trying to 'save face'

Since I've been tossed from your pals anarchist group (which you constantly advertise here), it's pretty clear that you need to avoid standing for anything, but against everything because your egos can't take a little deflation.

I posted disagreements with Bill, TSW and you, all in the same day - enough to get me ejected.

Don't you anarchists ever get tired of being phonies?
30

Mashimaro,

China 11/05/2008 06:45:33
#24 etc...
Well done, Vasya. These people are russophobic in the extreme because their press keeps on telling them complete and utter bullapples about what is going on.
I'm glad you too pin Litvinenko for the low life scum smuggler that he was. anyone with half a brain could see why uncle Boris jumped on that PR opportunity.
31

Yane,

11/05/2008 09:08:59
#29 I never threw you out of any group, never advertise any group & don't care if you disagree with me. I consider this internet stuff to be just a bit of fun, & maybe sometimes one learns a bit. Sorry that you are upset.
32

57Nomad,

california 11/05/2008 11:11:56
#30 Mash

Mash said:

"These people are russophobic in the extreme"

I don't even have to ask who these people are because anyone in their right mind is Russophobic. There's Russophobic and suicidal. Russia is a combination of the worst that the West and the East have to offer.
33

Mashimaro,

11/05/2008 17:38:57
#32 Nomad is there a point to you twaddle or are you just writing to see your name on the site?
34

57Nomad,

california 11/05/2008 22:43:54
#33 Mash

I've gone over this before and the veteran posters on this site, whatever there point of view, seem to agree on at least this one thing. If you are going to slag someone the way to go about it is to isolate the point that you wish to dispute and then do so. Once you have either made your point or refuted a point then you have clear sailing to mount a personal attack.

You have neither refuted my point nor defended your own. It is an open question as to which one of us posts to see his or her name on the site. You are in no position to make that call and you only make yourself look weak by doing so. If you take exception to what I said in #32, then state your case.

However, if you can't do that but still feel compelled to engage in a strictly ad hominem exchange then so be it. I'm game, dumbass. Bring it.
35

James Donald,

Newbridge 12/05/2008 21:05:31
#22 Vasya,Holland - "USSR lost 27 milliom people (mostly russians) in that war. There is nothing pathetic in military parade on Red Square except those who try to make stupid comments about this" - Of those 27 million, how many were killed in agressive and opressive action against Finland, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Ukrainian UPA? Add to that those who died as a direct result of the callous disregard for their own soldiers of Soviet commanders who used "human wave" assaults. Also, "Soviet" casualties include those who changed sides and joined Vlassov against the Soviets, those Soviet soldiers and civilians murdered by the NKVD in the war as well as returning Soviet POWs put to death. No parade for them. Better for the Russians to remember the dead rather than hold triumphalist parades to celebrate the victory of one brutal dictatorship over another.
36

Subodai,

China 14/05/2008 09:54:42
#35 It was big victory for Russia to turn around Hitler. Do not make stupid talk about "human wave" if you have never to fight this way. It is not convenient to fight this way but must. You can also count those who died because of western-back to make trouble soviet.
#34 I answer because no Mashi Xiao Tu. Russophobic is stupid euro wrong. Still have Nato. Why? Still make Nato close on Russia. Why? Still want missile threat Russia, Why? Still dog dog Russia, why? What is Russia to do for you? Have alcohol leader you think is good when Russia people is hungry. Have good leader you think is bad when people no have hungry. England give hide to enemy Russia, to terrorist Russia, you think okay. Russia keep hold to Russia law, you cry like bebe. You make lies in newspaper on Russia all time. You try to hurt Russia all time even poison sugar for bebe children. If KGB no find poison many to die. You don't care for this. Very nice you people yes.

 

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