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Russia warns UN it will veto independence for Kosovo



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Published Date: 20 December 2007
RUSSIA and the West were last night heading for a major split on the issue of Kosovo, after the United Nations Security Council failed to bridge the yawning gap between the two sides.
The European Union, with Britain one of the most prominent voices, has joined with the United States in favouring independence for the Serbian province, where 90 per cent of the population are ethnic Albanian.

But after a heated meeting behind cl
osed doors, Vitaly Churkin, the Russian envoy, declared the move would be illegal, and he would block any attempt to get UN recognition for an independent Kosovo. "The West would be in contravention of international law," he said.

He was echoed by Vojislav Kostunica, the Serbian president: "Serbia will proclaim any decision null and void."

But in a joint statement, the EU and the US said the time for negotiations was over, after eight fruitless years.

The EU agreed last week to send a mission to Kosovo to replace that of the UN, and to create support for possible independence. Russia said it will use its veto to deny such a mission the blessing of the UN, but the EU says the mission will go ahead with or without UN approval.

Sir John Sawers, the British ambassador to the UN, said: "We regret that the Council is unable to reach agreement. But we remain convinced that the time has come, indeed is overdue, to settle Kosovo's future."

At stake is the fragile international consensus which has held Kosovo in suspended animation since the end of the war in June 1999. Since then, waves of talks have been held to settle the status of the province, with the Albanian majority demanding independence and Serbia refusing to consider it.

The positions yesterday remained the same. "All possibilities for agreement have been exhausted," said Kosovo's president Fatmir Sejdiu, following an address to the Security Council. "We will now move on a declaration of independence for Kosovo."

Although Mr Sejdiu would not be drawn on a date for this declaration, diplomats say it is expected to come in mid- January.

At that point, UN officials are braced for trouble. EU foreign ministers, with the exception of Cyprus, have already agreed informally to recognise this declaration.

Russia, and possibly China, will veto any move to have Kosovo recognised by the UN itself, leaving the province's future in legal limbo.



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  • Last Updated: 19 December 2007 10:13 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Princip,

Edinburgh 20/12/2007 00:54:59
What irony and hypocrisy;

"Britain one of the most prominent voices, has joined with the United States in favouring independence for the Serbian province, where 90 per cent of the population are ethnic Albanian."

Are we to believe that the New Labour Govt. under PM Brown is willing to flgarantly undermine UN SC resolutions in illegally recognising Serbia's province because an ethnic minority are a local majority. They promote this illegal secession while for Scotland they weasel the most creative spin possible to deny independence! Kosovo is a Serbian province it has never in history existed as a nation state in fact there is no ethnic "Kosovars" - they are ethnic Albanians in Serbia! Beyond that there is no economic rationale for the creation of such an illegal entity. Scotland has history as a nation state and with an economy that could be equivalent to Norway had its oil revenues been retained over the past 30 years yet New & Old Labour have denied statehood - talk about duplicitous standards!

Is Brown trying to out do Blair by not merely bypassing the UN but acting flagrantly against a UN SC Resolution that they have an obligation to uphold and which re-affirmed Serbia's Sovereignity and territorial integrity?
2

Scullion,

Canada 20/12/2007 01:26:09
#1
I can give you a list of disregarded U.N. propositions as long as your arm. Even as benign a nation as Canada disregards them (go search for it).
The main point is as long as Serbia continues to hide war criminals, particularly Mladic and Karadzic,it will be an international pariah. Russia may try to help but the western states have long memories of who they had to bomb into submission to prevent further atrocities.
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Wallace MacP,

Edmonton, Alberta 20/12/2007 03:27:25
Can't you just see Europe being broken up into little Muslim majority states, one little piece at a time?
5

Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 20/12/2007 09:17:56
#1 Princip

You accusation of hypocrisy at the UK government on this issue makes no sense. The majority of Scottish people have never indicated a preference for independence. When/if they do, I don't expect the UK government to stand in the way. On the other hand, the UK partitioned Ireland to defend the majority opinion in the six counties in the North. It defended the Falkland Islands to defend the wishes of the people there not be part of Argentina.

Cases can be made for and against the independence of Kosovo. But making a case on the grounds of UK hypocrisy doesn't hold water.
6

Covert Action,

20/12/2007 09:31:28
#2 I think the onus is on you to come up with the Canadian issues, not Princip. So STFU. I hope Russia flexes its muscles on this one. I can't understand why the USA and the EU want a jihadist state on the territory of the only balkan country to fight with us against the Nazis. I really can't. There were atrocities on all sides in that war, it is just that the Serbs were sticking it to Al Qaeda-in-the-Balkans as the KLA will soon rename themselves if it kicks off again. Unlike last time, Mohammed Atta and his pals won't be fighting for them though.
7

LillyAugusta,

Belgrade,Serbia 20/12/2007 09:42:08
Bravo Princip!They are not Kosovars-they are Albanians.
As for Mladic and Karadzic,well,the thing is that Richard Holbrook was involved in their case,he signed some kind of a contract with them-that they won't be prosecuted and sent to Hague.Who knows what else is in those contracts,so I don't think that US,EU really want them to be caught.That would create serious problems.
8

Number 6,

Germany 20/12/2007 11:33:09
Disgusting, Brown is happy to call for independence for a financial cultural and political basket case,
but here in Scotland, oh no it would never work.
9

Princip,

20/12/2007 12:45:46
Scullion,

would be nice to see some of that list! Beyond that this affects more then just "propositions" it goes to the very heart of the foundations of all Sovereign States. Putin was clear in June when he framed the following question regarding what the US and poodle UK
are attempting to do;

"If we come to the conclusion that the principle of a nation's right to self-determination is more important than territorial integrity then we will have to stick to that principle all over the world,"

Beyond that other "propostions have not been held up in the past it does not make the current proposed ad promoted folly any less duplicitous - would you not agree?

Why is it that the Croatian Serbs who had a UN protected Republic of Krajina (1992-95) were not allowed to succede and the US & UK turned a blind eye to the massive assualt and ethnic cleansing (250,000+) that occurred against them in the Croatian offensive of 1995? Yet know we suggest that the Serbian Albanians should be granted the opposite??? Is this not a clear breach of Territorial intergrity if not double standards??


Selgovae,

actually it is all the more relevant an rational to piont out the hypocrisy that New Labour (South of the Border) promotes the creation of a secessionist and inviable entity in an administrative province (not a nation) of another UN recognised, European and Decomcratic Soverign state against UN Resolution 1244, Badinter commission (which concluded the 6 SFRY Republics as inviolable), Helsinki Final act and allother international norms and laws while all the time New Labour (North of the Border) are making the greatest hullabalo (or should I say spin!) that Scotland should not be independent.

Please explain why you believe an irredntist, secessionist, Terrorist inspired (KLA - with known Al-Queda links) ethnic Albanian minority who happen to be a local majority deserve the manufacturing of a inviable "Kosovar" entity on Serbian Soverign territory ?

Think
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Princip,

Edinburgh 20/12/2007 12:48:41
Comment #9 contd

Think it through it would be akin to any ethnic minority in any multi-ethnic state acquiring secession because they are a local majority in a region (say the borders so that you can relate to it) through violence and terrorism - do you believe this is "model" worth setting a precedence for ? Think it through...?
11

General-Blood,

Edinburgh/Gutersloh 20/12/2007 13:00:54
Well I have to agree that in a way they do deserve independence, I mean in a way they have earnt it after the atrocities committed by the Serbians. However the worry in my eyes is that there are certain elements within Albanian,Kosovo and other states within the area that are wanting to build are greater Albanian Nation and I am sorry that must not be allowed to happen. I mean the Kurds are determined to create a greater Kurdistan( from pieces of Syria,Iran,Iraq and Turkey) the last thing we need is a greater Albanian state( being created from Albania,Kosovo,Macedonia and certain other nations within the area).

We are talking about a people that have managed to create one of the most dangerous criminal organisations within Europe if not one of the most dangerous in the world and one of the most vicious and most ruthless,the last thing we need is this.
12

LillyAugusta,

Belgrade,Serbia 20/12/2007 15:00:52
General-Blood,
Where is the proof for those atrocities?People keep blaming us,but nobody has shown the proof for that.
That claim that 800 000 or even million Albanians left home because they were running from Serbs is as true as the existence of the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
They were leaving because of the bombs,because they were scared of NATO not of the Serbs.
After that NATO(KFOR) came to the province,and was supposed to protect all the people,mainly minorities-Serbs and others,but failed to do so many times,especially in the March of 2004-when three Albanian children drowned by an accident(I dare not to think that someone could plan it),but Albanians and western media accused Serbs of it,and many Serbs had to pay the price for that,and also not to forget the case of Gorazdevac where innocent Serbian children were shot while playing in the river.
So,if they become violent KFOR won't be able to stop them.
And of course they want greater Albania,they always wanted that...
13

no-pasarán,

New England, USA 20/12/2007 16:42:09

"Will for the first time in the U.N.'s history a decision be taken -- contrary to the will of a democratic state and, what is more, of a U.N. founding member -- to redraw its internationally recognized borders, to abolish its sovereignty and to amputate 15 percent of its territory?"

Kostunica at the UN SC December 19, 2007

It surely looks and sounds like Munich in 1938. History repeats itself, the first time as tragedy, the second as farce.
14

Princip,

Edinburgh 20/12/2007 16:46:48
Genral-Blood

- and that is the only basis on which you beleive illegal secession should be promoted. But as LillyAugusta points out where is the proof! We were all sold a total lie about events leading upto NATO's illegal war against Serbia in 1999 just as much as the polished spin and lies given war the Iraq war in 2003.

There was no legality for the illegal 1999 NATO Partisan war in coordination with their terrorist inspired KLA partners. I say partners because there is clear evidence that the CIA (US) and BND (German) intelligence agencies trained, adided and abetted in the formation of the KLA from the early 90's.
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/BEH502A.html

"Legality rested on the emerging doctrine that - in grave circumstances - a humanitarian imperative could overrule national sovereignty." General Jackson
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/12/09/do0906.xml

- The "humanitarian imperitive" was a lie spun to create the deception to the UK and other NATO citizens that we must wage illegal war on a Sovereign, UN recognised and European State - Tony Blair spun this false perception to the US administration (Clinton et al) who picked it up and pushed the mass media to sucked it all up! That fact is well known. This earleir war was Illegal since it was just as much a lie over WMG (Whereabouts of Mass Graves) as the later illegal war was over WMD. There was no "humaitarian imperitive" nor the "100,000" ethnic Albanians killed - "we must act" it was all spin;

"The death toll in Kosovo was in the hundreds before the start of the bombing campaign. It was around 5,000 by the end. Not quite the "genocide" that some people claimed, incidentally, but not a good precedent either.

I was working at Amnesty International during the Kosovo crisis. I first visited refugee camps in Albania and Macedonia during the conflict and then spent a year in Pristina seconded into the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. Tony Blair says
15

Princip,

20/12/2007 16:47:57
Comment #14 contd.

I was working at Amnesty International during the Kosovo crisis. I first visited refugee camps in Albania and Macedonia during the conflict and then spent a year in Pristina seconded into the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. Tony Blair says that we "reversed ethnic cleansing" there, but I would not count the expulsion of over 100,000 Serbs and Roma from a province guarded by 40,000 Nato troops as a success."
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/take_two/2007/04/oliver_kamm_v_conor_foley.html

Serbia in its 3 years at quelling seccessionist terrorism being waged by KLA (linked to Al-Queda and strangely supported by US & German Intelligence agencies) had lead to a few hundred dead on all sides (including the many killed by the Terrorist KLA!).

Put some perspective on the few hundred in 3 years when we hear of the hundreds killed in Falluja in a couple of months or the hundreds of actual civilians in Afghanistan killed this year alone by NATO forces deemed as "collateral damage"! In this perspective General Rose is wrong to suggest "Serb reaction was uncompromising" - in comparison to NATO in Afghanistan it was moderate to say the least!

Given that this partisan NATO war against Serbia had no Illegality why are NATO countries now demanding once more as they did in 1999 Dipomacy cant work, wont work and again promoting war - "déjà vu" - indeed ?
16

no-pasarán,

New England, USA 20/12/2007 16:55:55
For those concerned about the nature of present "humanitarian" policies I recommend "Humanitarian Imperialism: Using Human Rights to Sell War" by Jean Bricmont, interesting and eyeopening reading.
17

no-pasarán,

New England, USA 20/12/2007 17:03:05
From UN SC resolution 1244:

"Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,"

The resolution calls for autonomy for Kossovo but there is no word for independence. Western newspapers and media hardly mention resolution 1244
18

Zambo,

20/12/2007 21:25:00
What about a quick referendum in Kosovo to establish the will of the people by the people, to break the deadlock of other nations playing politics and deciding the future of the people in this area?
19

Heilan laddie,

Perth 20/12/2007 22:27:11
The west has a bloody nerve declaring Kosovo an independent state. All that Serbia was doing was what was best for the Serbs and ridding their country of the pest which is Islam yet they (the west) stand by and do nothing when Christian communities are persecuted in the Middle East.
Its just a pitty the west did not have leaders such as Vladamir Putin or Slobodan Melosovic in the west. We would not have half the problems we have now. I just hope the Russians give Serbia their full support.
20

Dr. James Wilkie,

Vienna 21/12/2007 13:42:08
An ideal solution to the Kosovo problem does not exist. My impression is that conceding the Albanian demand for independence for Kosovo is just a sign of weariness. The Western negotiators cannot see a way forward and just want to do something to be seen to make progress - in what direction is another matter.

Independence, though, would not mark the end of the problems, and I have considerable sympathy for the Russian standpoint. Kosovo at its present stage of development will never be a viable economic or political entity. It will remain a millstone round the neck of the international community for the foreseeable future, and formal independence will do nothing to change this situation.

The international community gave a cast-iron guarantee to the despotic Milosevic regime in Belgrade that Kosovo would not be detached from Serbia - and this same international community is now prepared to detach Kosovo from the new democratic government in Belgrade. It is astonishing to say the least.

A partition of the province never really came into consideration during the negotiations, and yet there is much to be said for it. It would have to be on the basis of the ethnic settlement pattern before the outbreak of hostilities, and not on the basis of the Albanian immigration since that date. Whatever happens, I cannot see the Kosovo problem being resolved in the immediate future, and independence would be more likely to inflame the entire Balkans situation rather than calm it.

21

oder,

Scotland 21/12/2007 20:47:53
poster 20 is correct when he said
The international community gave a cast-iron guarantee to the despotic Milosevic regime in Belgrade that Kosovo would not be detached from Serbia,it is apart of Serbia we have no right to change it, how can peace be made or kept if we do not honour what we say? to allow this to happen is theft of Serbian territory.
22

Aoda,

U.S.A. 22/12/2007 14:23:50
Some of these comments are excellant. When I was reading them I was thinking of what I remember during my life. During WWII powers drawing lince across maps and thus a country was created or power of influence was decided.

It didn't work. The only reason Yugoslovia worked was because Tito was a popular, strong leader and a sub dictator under U.S.S.R., but somewhat a sore for the Soviet Union. We occupitd Germany and that country was for many years a split nation. In Asia the powers decided that North of the 38th parallel would be the dividing line for sphere if influence. It was also decided that Indo-China was to be held until France can claim ther empire back. I have my personal feelings about Scotland being independant but as a non citizen, who am I to decide? The same goes for nations or international organizations in deciding nations.

The big question I have is, we have been fighting Islamic terrorist for years but yet we are determined to create and Islmaic nation. Would the citizens of any country, including Scotland allow part of their nation be carved out as another nation for religious or political purposes? I don't think so.

As for the U.S. part in Kosovo remember Clinton has to show that he was fighting the terrorist some where besides bombing an asprin factory.


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no-pasarán,

23/12/2007 12:52:39
This is a myth to think that Albanians in Kosovo are all Muslims. In Ottoman's days if you wanted to serve in their administration you had to convert to Islam, the Turks did not care any further than that and that is the main reason why Serbian language, culture and religion survived the 500 years of Turkish rule.

Albania has a large catholic population, under the communists religion practice declined. Kosovo is not exception and the various peoples whom inhabited it before the "real ethnic cleansing" organized by NATO profited from Yugoslavia which provided them with political identity and protection of their rights.

With the arrival of western NGO's and the like in Kosovo an effort to revive religion has been made. Protestants groups mostly from America have prozelitized the Albanian hamlets offering money and advantages in exchange for the adoption of religious precepts packed in TV and video programs carefully produced by US PR firms. Muslims do not practice prozelitism but finance the construction of mosques and charities. The effect is the same. Religion had no place in communist society, it was considered a drag in a nation's development, it provided no support to scientific progress, it offered no basis for it, just blind faith. It sided with the forces of exploitation power and not with equality and justice.


 

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