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Rival tribe lied to US to provoke attack on civilians



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Published Date: 15 September 2008
AN AMERICAN military operation that killed up to 90 civilians was based on false information provided by a rival tribe and did not kill a single Taleban fighter, the Afghan president's spokesman said yesterday, contradicting US claims to have killed up to 35 militants.

Afghan police arrested three suspects accused of giving the US military false intelligence that led to the bombardment of the village of Azizabad, the Afghan interior ministry announced.

"There was total misinformation fed to the coalition forc
es," Humayun Hamidzada, spokesman for president Hamid Karzai, said.

An Afghan government commission found that up to 90 civilians were killed, including 60 children, a finding backed by a UN report.

The operation, conducted by US Special Forces and Afghan soldiers, targeted Afghan employees of a British security firm and their family members – the reason the US military recovered weapons after the battle, Mr Hamidzada said.

The US has said its forces were fired on first during a raid that targeted and killed a known militant commander named Mullah Sidiq, but villagers of Azizabad say their homes were targeted because of false information provided by a rival tribesman named Nader Tawakil.

An Afghan parliamentarian has said Tawakil is in the protective custody of US forces.

The coalition iself has declined to comment on this.

"How the information was gathered, how it was misfed, and their personal animosity led to trying to use the international forces for their own political disputes, which led to a disastrous event and caused a strain on the relationship of the Afghan government and international forces," Mr Hamidzada said.

He added: "Not a single Taleb was killed."

The US at first said that 30 militants and no civilians were killed.





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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 15/09/2008 00:48:23
Funny that others use these conflicts to suit their own agendas.Nice folk in that neighbourhood!The usual 'fall guy' of course is Uncle Sam!What goes around comes around fellas!
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Let's have the truth,

In a bomb shelter 15/09/2008 01:16:46
#1 D'head

"The usual 'fall guy' of course is Uncle Sam"

That statement speaks volumes about yourself. I would have thought the "fall guys" here are the 90 dead innocent civilians.

The incident merely reflects the incompetence of the US forces.

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Mashimaro,

China 15/09/2008 01:17:51
Well, Dragonhead, if Uncle Sam wasn't such a gun happy wasshole, this wouldn't happen. If they weren't so eager to go off and kill people for thier own agenda... this wouldn't happen. This makes them complicit in cold blooded murder. Of course there is nothing that the families of these people can do because ... it's UNCLE SAM.
What do you expect!
Let's think about this... foreign men bombing citizens. Sounds like terrorists to me. Why is the US not on the list of terrorists?
The americans have done this and got away with it for too long. Thank god the world is beginning to see it for what it is.
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Eboneesha,

15/09/2008 02:41:46
Fair reporting.. It was a joint strike including Afghan soldiers but they give the cedit to the Americans in the headlines. At least they arrested the proper people for causing this.
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Eboneesha,

15/09/2008 02:42:24
#2 & #3

Every tried to be objective?
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Mashimaro,

China 15/09/2008 03:49:50
#5 That WAS being objective. The more I think about americans the more I hate them. That is the honest truth. People cannot be this stupid. But what can you expect from a nation that insists on letting its citizens carry guns, even in the face of school shootings. It really is like a giant, armed, toddler.
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D-945,

15/09/2008 03:58:16
6 Mashimaro

Right you are!

Only Chinese Thugs should have the guns, the ones who control the populace. You never know when a student or elderly woman might get a hair up there you know what and want to speak their mind. The thugs need to be ready to shoot the un armed populace.
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Mashimaro,

China 15/09/2008 04:30:07
Yeah, like we do that every day. Obviously you know zip about China. Go back to your basement.
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Madbagpypr,

STEORNABHAGH,LEODHAS,NA h-EILEAN SIAR 15/09/2008 04:36:39
Mashi, old boy...

Let us not forget what your people the Japanese did to the Chinese. The atrocities your people extracted on the Filipinos was even worse, nailing babies to telegraph poles, impaling women on bamboo, etc.

It's past-times like those that cause people to loathe you vicious little crawlers.

I'd much rather have an American with a gun next to me than arrogant, racist like you behind me.
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 15/09/2008 05:07:49
Yet more drivel from the ignoramus D'head while Eboneesha and D-945 spout off from some unknown location, too ashamed to tell anybody.
Madbagpypr,STEORNABHAGH,LEODHAS,NA h-EILEAN SIAR -Another wacko "I'd much rather have an American with a gun next to me than arrogant, racist like you behind me" Yeah right especially if he shoots like Dick Cheney. Never mind with a little luck you'll get caught in friendly fire.
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Mashimaro,

China 15/09/2008 05:35:21
#9 I am not Japanese. We're quite capable of thinking up our own atrocities, thank you.
But atrocities are not really the point here.
The point is it's time for yankee to go home.
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 15/09/2008 06:31:55
It really doesn't matter whether the US were given false information or not, the fact remains that the US military has been taught to kill anything that moves and bomb anyone that walks. These gutless US flyboy cowards like John McCain take great pride in committing mass murder of civilians in the name of freedom. Killing civilians helps you to become a hero in the eyes of US simpletons fed by their major media propaganda machines CNN and FOX. Dropping bombs on anonymous people from a great height without looking into their faces is an act of COWARDICE. It's just another way for the US to test their new weapons of mass destruction. "The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." - William Colby - former Director of the CIA (he later died in a swimming "accident")
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Mashimaro,

China 15/09/2008 06:48:25
Well, Rob, it just makes sense to drop bombs on your enemy if you can. Why would you want to go look them in the eye and risk getting hurt?
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 15/09/2008 08:20:31
The US advisors are blindingly ignorant/naive.

At every turn their good intentions pave the way to hell for others.

The US seems never to have heard of the Law of Unintended Consequences. US actions almost always make matters worse rather than better.

Given that the US itself is in a mess at home I suggest their focus shifts and they put their own house in order first before 'helping' the planet.
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 15/09/2008 08:32:25
#13 Mashimaro,China
Dropping bombs on your enemy is one thing, but dropping bombs on civilians and anything that moves is another. These US flyboys have no idea who they're dropping bombs on they're so stupid. One kid in a classroom misbehaves so let's bomb the entire classroom. That's they're attitude. These US flyboy morons leave their wives and kids safely tucked away at home, then fly thousands of miles away to murder other people's wives and kids in some distant country all in the name of liberty. American people that support and condone this action, the cohorts in cahoots are also guilty of war crimes.
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Let's have the truth,

In a bomb shelter 15/09/2008 08:42:39
#4

"At least they arrested the proper people for causing this".

Really? How many US military personnel have been arrested?

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Mashimaro,

China 15/09/2008 08:47:03
#15 That's the thing about a bomb, Rob. It doesn't know who you are.
I agree with what you say. The US gets away with huge war crimes all the time. That the US people can continue to elect these goons to power is sickening and an indictment on them as a nation.
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yockel,

15/09/2008 08:48:41
So it wasn't the US who were to blame after all but those naughty neighbours. Whitehouse sanction for incursions accros state boundries didn't contribute in any way.
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Mashimaro,

china 15/09/2008 09:55:54
#18 ! is that irony or sarcasm?
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 15/09/2008 11:19:12
So basically the USAF bombed the sh*t out of a town on the basis on the say so of a couple of locals?
Didnt they learn as kids not to talk to strange men?
Well so much for hearts and minds and winning over the populous. Let me thank our US allies for making the job our UK troops are doing very professionally that bit harder and more dangerous.
Bless em.
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Number 6,

Germany 15/09/2008 12:00:27
This just shows you the level of "intelligence" the yee-has will buy if it means the chance to bomb someone.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 15/09/2008 16:08:03
19 - Sarcasm. They havenae discovered irony yet.
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 15/09/2008 16:17:15
There's not too many yankees on this thread, thank God They're all over on the Sarah Paspalum thread attacking me. By the way Ascochyta paspalii - 'Paspalum' is a noxious weed that grows in wild fields in Australia. It has a disgusting little sticky ugly head and has been known to blow across the sea to Alaska and take on a new identity. Welcome Sarah Paspalum, the fashionable little noxious weed spreading her poison across the USA and the world.
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 19:22:37
So, does the US government now admit it was 90 and that the FOX TV presentation by that trust worthy gentleman Ollie North was total fabrication?

I'm really pleased to hear that this tragic event was all the fault of the locals and not those nice boys in US army uniform who are there to spread 'freedom' and 'democracy'. It's great to hear that the greatest intelligence gathering agency on Earth relies on such solid trustworthy sources.

"The operation, conducted by US Special Forces and Afghan soldiers, targeted Afghan employees of a British security firm and their family members – the reason the US military recovered weapons after the battle, Mr Hamidzada said."

What does that mean?

Lest we forget: The Taliban was not involved in any way with 911. The Taliban offered to hand over OBL (twice) if evidence of complicity could be demonstrated. The US ignored the offered and bombed the country (again), invaded and installed a puppet government; a gov that is massively unpopular. So much for 'freedom and democracy'. How's the oil/gas lines doing?
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mike - across the pond,

finnqueen... 15/09/2008 19:43:31
yawn...

so let me get this straight...

the 19 guys who had recieved training at alqueda training sites in afghanistan had no connections to the taleban who were the governing body OF afghanistan....

thats what you are claiming?
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mike - across the pond,

finnqueen... 15/09/2008 20:02:14
PAY ATTENTION...
15 years ago, your HERO, WJC and HRC stated loudly that "we dont do business with those kinds of guys"... much to the adulation of the far left... they were referring to the unsavory guys that are willing to rat out their own "bad actors"... and basically proceeded to dismantle the MAJOR portions of the US intel community....

after 8 years, the US intel agencies were so far behind that 9/11 happened with next to NO ability to "connect the dots" within the US intel community.

W and the current administration has been trying to dig US intel out of the hole we were put in when they took over.... but this is a LONG process to develop these types intel contacts.... much less establish what sources are dubious and what sources are credible...

you want to lay this at somebodies feet.... lay it at the feet of IGNORANT LEFT-WING SWILL DRINKERS...

drink up pal... drink up
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 15/09/2008 20:02:35
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If I remember correctly they learned to fly in the US not in any training camps in Afganistan and all but one of em was Saudi the other I think was Algerian.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_/ai_n9428403

You seem to be another one with a difficulty for distinguishing facts from delusion. because you want desperately to believe something isnt going to make it true
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mike - across the pond,

ahhh kathy and the rest of you swill drinkers... 15/09/2008 20:17:47
you like to breathlessly say things like...

"they killed 90 people and 60 children on purpose"

which if you take it appart is true

they killed 60 children
and
they killed 90 people on purpose...

when you put them together you then make an inferrence that this OUTCOME was planned from the beginning... which is a LIE.... a falsehood that is carefully crafted and designed to decieve...

guess that makes you a liar...

you want to go after Ollie North... whatever... North simply stated what was the accepted intel from the operation... this turns out to have been VERY bad information... an operation that resulted in a HUGE tragedy... that doesnt make Ollie a liar... he didnt provide the intel, he just reported on it....

I think they aught to set the guy who provided the info in a set of stocks in the villiage... let them do what they will to him...
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 20:19:45
Mike

"the 19 guys who had recieved training at alqueda training sites in afghanistan had no connections to the taleban who were the governing body OF afghanistan...."

Some problems: "19" and "alqueda training sites".

Apart from those assumptions, so, tell me, why did the US refuse to have OBL handed over to the World Court if they had evidence?

I don't have "heroes", not since 7 years old. Who are "WJC and HRC"?

"lay it at the feet of IGNORANT LEFT-WING SWILL DRINKERS..."

I'm not ignorant and certainly do not drink 'swill' although the local Finnish p*ss does come close to that definition. Sorry, but your comment makes no sense to me at all.

Rogues in a Nation

It was truly fortunate that while an entire building fell down the pilots passport was found intact. Highly fortuitous. Why he had a passport on an internal flight, no one will ever know. Well, maybe some of the people of the people that the FBI listed (the 19( who are currently still alive will have the answer. Sure, another tell tale sign of Muslim involvement was the Boeing Flight Training Manuals (Arabic version) on the car on the seat of teh car they used. I can see them now, minutes before take off taking it in turns to ask each other questions about flying a plane. Whoever flew the Pentagon one must have studied really hard. What a maneuver! Straight into a bit that was being renovated! That was nice of them. And the way they managed to disable all the Pentagon weapon systems! Not to forget how these intrepid Arabs managed to dodge all the USAF fighter planes, forcing them (all 14, we were told: Finland has more) by cunning and evil guile to head off in the wrong direction. Gosh! What amazing people!

Still, lets' not get sidetracked: Back to the US army now saying that it just accepts intel from random villagers and bombs children............
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 20:22:34
Mike

Ollie North said he was THERE with the troops when they arrived after the bombing and he counted "only" a few bodies. That's telling porkies, Mike. He works for FOX so I wouldn't expect anything else. I thought he was thrown in jail?
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 20:27:33
Mike

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,419121,00.html

"Fox News cameraman Chris Jackson and FOX News contributor Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North happened to be embedded with the Marine Special Forces unit involved in the raid.They witnessed the entire operation first hand and said that they did not see any non-combatants killed"

Okay? Either they are blind and shouldn't be there because of that or they are liars. Either way, standard Fox News.
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mike - across the pond,

suchaparcelofrogues 15/09/2008 20:44:06
did I say where they learned to fly... NO... that would be "one of the dots", information that US intel HAD but was not able to connect...

did I say where they were born.... NO... the geographic location of where they were born is largely IRRELLEVANT to where they ended up...

its the PATHS that crossed, where those paths crossed, the convergence of those paths, and how the 19 were indoctrinated that lead directly to where they ended up.... again, dots that US intel SHOULD have had, but through neglect these dots were largely "unknown" on 9/10/01

ok NOW... what of those things do you have a problem with...

and what do you have problems with what I wrote in 29?

or are you just quibbling?
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 20:47:03
Mike

"you like to breathlessly say things like...

"they killed 90 people and 60 children on purpose""

Er, who said that? LOL
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mike - across the pond,

finnking 15/09/2008 20:56:01
OBL & being handed over WJC & HRC

WJC William Jefferson Clinton...
HRC Hillary Rodham Clinton...

OBL being handed over... we're on the same page pal, WJC declined OBL being handed over... WJC is the MAIN example I cite as to we dont need an international neophyte without a moral compass like BO in the whitehouse... you may not LIKE what McCain & Palin stand for, but I bet you can guess what they'll do in any given hypothetical....

btw.... BO Barack Obama...

and for somebody who likes to bash america... you sure quote a LOT of fox news...

"who said that?"
kathy athey....

"90 dead - 60 of them children"

you'll have to trace back over the last few days... the entire tenor of the postings and poster is that the incident was "intentional"...
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 20:56:02
Mike

You see, it's these 'dots' that are the problem, as this entire article details.

Tell me, how many mass murderers are currently happily living in the USA having undergone US training in the School of the Americas prior to slaughtering thousands in South America? Should the US now be bombed?

Do you mean the AlFarooq camp in Khandhar? The one funded by the US to train Afghan Freedom Fighters? Well, maybe some did go there and maybe some didn't. That's the problem; we can't trust the people who have the guns.If we can't trust them and we have direct evidence of their intel being seriously flawed, why do you assume they are telling you truth about the 911 hijackers? Many of whom are still alive, BTW.
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 21:01:27
Mike

Thanks for the explanation of the abbreviations.

"WJC declined OBL being handed over"

No he didn't. He wasn't in power on 911, BUSH was. BUSH refused to accept the Talibam offers to hand OBL over.

"and for somebody who likes to bash america"

No I don't. I think it's a great place. I soimply object to the rather expantionist aspects of its foreign poicy. That and all the killing. And the moral justifications given for same.

"... you sure quote a LOT of fox news..."

Nope......just like proving you wrong! LOL

"Kathy" and the quote....

Please supply the link to that quotation. Ta!
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mike - across the pond,

finnking 15/09/2008 21:05:12
see what I am saying...

"Was it acceptable to kill 90 innocent civilians including 60 children?"

what kind of GHOUL would even have to ask a question like that?
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mike - across the pond,

finnking 15/09/2008 21:18:27
"expansionist"...

what on earth definition are you using?

the US is NOT expansionist.... even though I have thoutht as early as 2002 that with the ammount of $'s we were going to pour into Afghanistan and Iraq, we SHOULD just make them the 51st and 52nd states.... rebuild them from the ground up, give them "rights to secession" in 50 years... and move on... THAT has NOT been the US plan or how we have proceeded....

kathy... the quote was from THIS thread #26.... for the tones you'll have to look in other threads my internet time is severely limited right now... storm took out my electricity & my "on" time will be spotty over the next week or so...

clinton didnt let binladen slip away?
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm

hmmm well explain THAT one... LATimes... thats a pretty LIBERAL rag... isnt it?

and if you are trying to pin OBL and GWB... well you'll have to dig HARD for that one... wally-esque conspiracy sites wont do...
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mike - across the pond,

kathy-athey 15/09/2008 21:31:12
so many things to say.... so little time to say them... especially when I have to speak SO SLOWLY SO YOUR GHOULISH UPPITY-NESS DOESNT GET LOST....

first equating this incident in afghanistan with Mai-Lai is... ghoulish... the end result was the same... the paths to the end couldnt have been more different.... and only a ghoul would imply they were... or attempt to infer some tacit approval of either incident...

do your history... simply knowing that an incident happened does not imply that you know what went on BEFORE AND AFTER that incident... Cali was tried and convicted...

this incident (if you bothered to READ THE ARTICLE) indicates that there are THREE afghanis in custody and are being charged as being responsible for the incident....

and as far as answering your questions from yesterday... honey, you are gonna have to do some research yourself, I know the internet is a SCARRY place, but I've gotta go here soon... like I said YESTERDAY... and now again today... a storm has effected my "on the internet" time...

and before you get all breathless... my "on time" is going to be spotty for a week or so... so try real hard to READ the articles... READ the comments... and post something a little LESS vitriolic

ok?
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 21:49:58
Mike

Definition of "expansionist"

ex·pan·sion·ism (k-spnsh-nzm)
n.
A nation's practice or policy of territorial or economic expansion.

Will that one do? How many countries do the US have military bases in? How many countries has the US invaded? World Bank?

in your comment to Kathy: "this incident (if you bothered to READ THE ARTICLE) indicates that there are THREE afghanis in custody and are being charged as being responsible for the incident...."

Er, no it doesn't, MIKE (now unsure if it's actually THE Mike). The "THree" are not being charged as "responsible for the incident" at all. The US military IS responsible, "mike".

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mike - across the pond,

kathy athey... 15/09/2008 21:57:49
do a little research queenie....

write down the times of the postings...
and who posts them....

if you really think I am multiple people... report me... I believe that that is a bannable EULA offense... the keepers of "the scotsman" have the ability to track IP addresses and I guarantee that mine is only me... lol

and what kind of GHOUL would imply that it is OK to kill 90 civillians... careful what you crawl in bed with finnking... (figuratively speaking... lol)

before you go making a complete fool of yourself you might want to ask wally... and finking... I've been here for a LOOOONNNNGG time... being my same old dis-agreeable self....

sadly there is only one of me...

as much as you may WANT there to be one of me for your life... aint gonna happen lol
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 22:02:51
Mike

One's enough. I just seem to remember you writing more carefully crafted and researched posts. Late in the day, perhaps.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 16/09/2008 01:23:59
Things must be slow at FH again..for them to be trolling back here to make some noise.
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 16/09/2008 02:38:51
#10Rob Bennett,Point Piper,Austruckingphalia. Drivel?a word poached from one of my posts squire.Think you have been out too long in the sun at Bondi!You like many of the anti-US at all costs cabal, are so caught up in your hate of americans and America as to be psychotically incapable of giving a rational discourse on anything involving them.
To all those who revile the Americans,have you contemplated the consequences of losing in Iraq and Afghanistan? Perhaps it is time to spark the odd neurone in your overactive febrile brains and for once think consequences.Not blame,but what happens next should it all turn pear shaped?
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 16/09/2008 02:46:35
#11 Mashimaro, Not Japanese? With a name like that you would be advised to be cautious in North east China all the same.
Time for the "yankee to go home". Then what? Come on what happens then? Or haven't you got that far in your thought process yet? No one condones the death of innocents and the guilty should be punished.Now the big picture sport.Yanks pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan, then what? Never mind knocking the yanks, what happens then?
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Mashimaro,

China 16/09/2008 10:36:50
#60 Dragonhead: You also think Mashimaro is Japanese? Don't you have google in Dailan? Have you never seen the cartoon?

What happens after the yanks pull out?
Unholy war.
You should have left the soviets in Afghanistan and Saddam in Iraq.
The thing about meddling in other countries... you have to keep on doing it.
If you just leave them alone to sort themselves out, they settle down, eventually.
Fact is, Dragonhead, the US doesn't have the bulls to be the emperor anymore. Either you have to do the killing and do it well, like Genghis Kahn, or go home. You can't do it well. Trust me.
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Mashimaro,

China 16/09/2008 10:54:46
#56 "The reason we have the 2nd Amendment is in case our government were to turn on it's people,(like china), we can stand up like free men and take our country back."

Or, on the other hand, you could just get tazered to death.

"See, we don't believe people should fear their government like you do. We believe the government should fear the people."

You jest, squire. Your government doesn't fear your people at all. When was the last time you had any sort of mass action? Er... Vietnam was it?

"You have nothing to fear from law abiding citizens with guns, you only need fear the criminals who will be the only ones with guns if you ban them."

Absolute rubbish again. PLenty of countries have gun bans. Perhaps you'd like to measure their crime rate against yours - take Hong Kong for instance.
"I am a gun collector,"
yeah like I didn't see that coming.

"I have 12 hand guns ,2 assault rifles, 2 rifles, 4 shotguns and guess what. I have never shot, robbed,assaulted, or done anything illegal with my guns."

Most people killed by guns are done so by accident, are they not? A gun's purpose is one thing and one thing only - killing. There is nothing else a gun does.
"But if my government ever tries to treat me the way yours does, everyone of my guns will be loaded and ready to go."
Luckily I don't fear my government so much that I have to arm myself against it, like you do yours. I wonder which one of us is the freer man.

"All the shooting deaths you hear about over here are by wackos who think god is talking to them ,or gang members."
No, no, I was thinking more about the kids who get bullied at school, stuff like that. But yeah Fiona, if they couldn't get their hands on weapons, they'd find it pretty darn hard to beat people to death with say... oooh... ice cream cones.

"Lots of gang members here, that goes with being a free nation. No gangs in china I'll bet. They would be lined up and shot."

Not as much I would like, trust me.

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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 16/09/2008 12:32:47
#62 Mashimaro, China. Yup!of course we have Google in Dalian,Broadband, Cable TV with more stations than you can shake a stick at.Including the Golf/Tennis Channel for the coming live coverage of the Ryder Cup.Sorry have never seen the cartoon,but will now maybe research it.Thankyou for that from a 28degC hot and humid Dalian.
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 16/09/2008 13:09:21
#62 Mashimaro.A Korean Mythical Rabbit.Algessumnida komapsumnida.Great Korean BBQ Restaurants in Dalian.Thankyou for enlightening me
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Imelda,

16/09/2008 14:00:21
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Mashimaro

"Mashimaro" is a Japanese name. It is not Korean neither Chinese, no doubt about it. Anyone can borrow a foreign name to label and trademark his or her merchandise for sale if it suits his or her fancies. Only patriotic Chinese (not those half Japanese, half Chinese) would welcome the ending of WWII and driving out the Japanese invaders soonest.

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Imelda,

16/09/2008 14:04:46
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Dragonhead

Have you seen this link yet? About Unit 731 which was a covert biological and chemical warfare research and development unit of the Imperial Japanese Army, 1937-1945.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
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Mashimaro,

China 16/09/2008 14:42:14
#66 Yep, Dragonhead... it's amazing what Google can do these day, eh?
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mike - across the pond,

finnking.... 16/09/2008 16:16:59
scroll to the top...

READ PARAGRAPH TWO CAREFULLY...
3 afghanis arrested...
it IS afghanistan, so it is granted that prosecution may NEVER happen, but the thing is, apparently the afgnanis ARE holding them responsible... or were as of the speaking of the afghani offical...

your expansionist line is a dodge...
the US is NOT acquiring ANY new territory... (compare/contrast Russia/S.Ossetia) so that definition plainly does not fit
Economics becomes a complete dodge... there is not a single country on the entire planet that is not ECONOMICALLY Expansionist... China is, heck even LUXEMBORG is... EVERYBODY is trying to expand their economic power... EVEN YOU!!! lol

if you are implying that the US is being POLITICALLY expansionist with regards to "exporting democracy," I would wholeheartedly to agree, but that was not part of your definition.... my point there is, do you think that freedom and liberty is a BAD thing when compared to totalitarian oppression? have you gone all mashi & postmark on us?
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 17/09/2008 03:56:34
#67 Imelda, Yes,know all about it. Visited the Japanese Prison in Seoul on the 5th of April 2003,where they tortured thousands under barbaric conditions.It left a lasting impression.
Many on this forum are hell-bent on having everyone leave Afghanistan,but have not the faintest idea of the consequences should we do so!It must be something in the water robs them of the ability to consider consequences. A modern phenomenon in this PC society.
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Mashimaro,

China 17/09/2008 08:29:10
#72 It would have been nice if the US had considered the consequences before it started all of this. It would have been even better if the UKUS had considered the consequences of arming, funding and training mad muslims.
Bit late for that now, innit?

Vote Bush the mayor of Baghdad!
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Mashimaro,

China 17/09/2008 12:33:26
#67 You'd think the people who perpetrated this would have been severly punished hmmm.
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Imelda,

17/09/2008 13:12:32
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Dragonhead

Hi! Good comment. At least you understand how life were to be under the barbaric Japanese Occupation during WWII. Very horrible! Smart guy.
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Imelda,

17/09/2008 13:23:47
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Mash

As usual like any where else after war times without your further ignorance, some were lucky to have escaped, playing hide and seek while some others punished with death sentence.

Putting an end to the suffering and barbaric torture are all more important rather than your sarcastic questioning of whether the perpetrators were severely punished or not.

Of course you wish your people could occupy my country and South-east Asia longer to commit slaughter and torture but what a blessing the Americans dropped the bombs on your cities, so bringing a quick end to the WWII and stopped the slaughtering and torturing of civilians.
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 18/09/2008 04:34:14
#73 Mashimaro,China.
History shows the United states didn't start this.Afghanistan has had a chequered existence since the time of the British Raj in India and before(and I don't mean the end of it either).The good old stiff upper lip crowd had the country in turmoil, long before the Americans arrived.The ones to do the most damage were your friends the Russians.They make the present American 'friendly fire' and 'missfires' look like a day out in Disney land by comparison.Is it coincidence that the majority of the weaponary used by terrorists world wide, is of Russian manufacture?
Still yet to hear anyone of the anti-American detractors come up with what the consequences will be should the United Nations troops pull out of Afghanistan?Strange that!Loads of gum flapping but nothing of any real value.
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mike - across the pond,

73.... mashi 19/09/2008 19:25:28
mashi

WE DID consider the consequences...

we left afghanistan alone... (IMHO THAT was a bad thing to do in the first place)
19 people trained by zealots encamped and protected by the Afghan-taleban government committed acts of terrorism against the US...

Iraq,
do you forget or just choose to ignore Kuwait?
do you forget or just choose to ignore the '91 cease fire treaty conditions?
do you forget or just choose to ignore what Hussein did to Iranians in the 80's?
do you forget or just choose to ignore what Hussein did to the Kurds?
do you forget or just choose to ignore what Hussein did to the Shiites (muslims in the south)?

as far as arming muslims...
do you forget or just choose to ignore Afghanistan 1978?
do you forget or just choose to ignore the effects of the cold war on political alignments during the 1950's-1980's?

its not just some easy sound byte answer to ANY of these...

we consider the consequences of just sitting on our rears and doing nothing...

many times we do... see Carter/Iran and Clinton/Afghanistan... and often times THOSE actions result in very bad things happening....

 

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