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Published Date: 12 September 2008
By Janet McBride
RUSSIA'S prime minister, Vladimir Putin, warned the West yesterday against starting an arms race in Europe by stationing a US missile defence shield near Russia's borders and said there was no basis for a new Cold War.
Mr Putin blamed Washington for resurrecting Soviet-style rhetoric.

"There is no more Soviet threat but they are trying to resurrect it," he said.

After accusing the United States of acting like "a Roman emperor", Mr Putin warned Poland and the Czech Republic against hosting the US missile shield.

"Our targeting of these countries will happen as soon as these missiles are brought," he said.

He urged the US: "Please do not instigate an arms race in Europe. It is not needed. What should we do? Sit pretty while they deploy missiles?"





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  • Last Updated: 11 September 2008 11:15 PM
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  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Wally,

By THe Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 12/09/2008 03:31:40
candidate Sarah Palin said that if Russia attacks another country like they did against Georgia, then the US would attack Russia. It is the McCain campaign's position that Russia attacked Georgia August 7/8. She said that if she were president, then she'd have to have the confidence in the troops and in the system to immediately order war against Russia. Palin takes the same line as McCain and says that Russia's aggression against Georgia was unprovoked.

We all know that this 'aggression' by Russia was provoked. The Georgian soldiers with a few US soldiers mixed in wearing Georgian uniforms started the fighting by surprise. Yet McCain & Palin tell the opposite story. And nobody questions them on this in the US media.

Russia is expected to circulate US dollars it earns in trade back to the US in order to keep the US economy going and to prop up the US dollar. If it fails to do so, then arrangements will be made that they 'attack' another country and are punished. Either Palin or McCain are just puppets in carrying out this agenda.

Russia & china will both likely just keep going along with thet game and circulate US dollars back to the US even though the money would be more economically invested elsewhere. Because the artificially expensive US dollar causes the US economy to be hallowed out, weakened from within. The debt burden over time will make things dysfunctional in the US. In time Russia & China will have a better opportunity.

The corporate aristocracy of America that sets these policies will cause everyone to hate america and in the end cause America's destruction.

http://solari.com/archive/housing_bill/

This link helps explain what is expected of Russia. Most Americans are so blind with pride including the puppets McCain & Palin that they cannot comprehend this even though it is plainly explained.
2

Tobermory,

12/09/2008 04:03:04
Wally the USA hater wrote the following

"candidate Sarah Palin said that if Russia attacks another country like they did against Georgia, then the US would attack Russia"

Where and when did she say this and is it verbatim or with your usual rewrite?
3

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 12/09/2008 05:30:38
Wally, that is not what she said.. what she said was IF Georgia BECOMES a member of NATO..than perhaps maybe we would have to get involved. According to NATO we would, because if one country belonging to NATO is invaded, then we would have to according to the clause in the pact. WE would all have to..(NATO Members)..
So Weird Wally..you should check your facts first.
4

Itchy,

12/09/2008 06:34:50
Given that the Russian economy is the size of Spain's and that the current Russian defence budget is less than that of Britain's, I would say that America would win an arms race hands down.

In economic terms, America has four aces and Russia a pair of sevens.
5

albanman,

12/09/2008 08:39:03
#4 I think you mean the United States. America is a continent not a nation no matter how often people confuse the terms. To uses the terms synonymously is insulting to those of us with Canadian ties.
6

Mcsnagpile,

12/09/2008 11:46:27
What is really dumb about the Russians is –if they had won the hearts of men in Eastern Europe they would not need an arms race.
7

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 12/09/2008 12:34:57
you have a point Lynne in 4. she was presuming NATO membership. But my point is that she asserts that Russia was the aggressor against Georgia and that is not true on her part. and she did say we may have to war against Russia if it happens again. but Russia was acting defensively. she is insane along with MCCain, that is my point. but you are correct that she did not explain it exactly as I did in her interview.

8

Wally,

By THe Rivers OF Babylon (USA) 12/09/2008 12:41:11
Albanman in 5: within the US we frequently use the term american to describe out nation. We've been doing that for well over 300 years. There are canadians who prefer to call us 'united statians'. thats your business. I call myself American.

When the MExican government issues documents to Americans allowing them to live in Mexico as a foreigner they use the term 'United Statian' on the document.

The name of the government that rules our country is 'United States of America'. The name of the government that rules Mexico is 'United States of Mexico'. We don't call them United Statians though. We call them Mexicans as they prefer.

ITs pretty normal that some words have different meanings in different contexts.
9

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 12/09/2008 13:01:48
Lynne & Tobermory:

People all over the world are looking at Palin's interview and getting the impression that she threatened war with Russia in an insane manner. The crux of the problem is I said that the MCCain camp sticks to the idea that Russia was the aggressor in recent Georgia/Russia conflict. and this is completely false. Here's a story about how the US ambassador to Russia in order to save face agreed that Russia was not the aggressor.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3586256,00.html

McCain should be raked over the coals for saying that Russia was the aggressor. and he is not. People around the world correctly see that McCain & Palin are agitating for war on this.
10

SouthernGent,

12/09/2008 13:14:48
For those like wally that believe Russia was in the right, you are advocating a very dangerous precedent. According to you, a country may not police their own borders if those said borders are occupied by a foreign country. Georgia never attacked Russia, but did attack occupiers. Russia has no jurisdiction in a sovereign country. If they were worried about their "citizens with passports", then it should have been no problem to move those citizens to russia (after all they all had passports). You are advocating that is is OK for foreign countries to enter other sovereign nations and defend areas occupied by people with dual citizenship. How many people around the globe fit that descrption?

As for the arms race. Russia continues to pump military hardware into south american countries and recently signed a new pact with brother castro. Another "do as I say not as I do" concept. Of course Russia could supply arms to their neoghbors to help with their defense, but they know they would be supplying arms to defend against themselves.
11

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 12/09/2008 13:32:49
What some of my fellow American posters are demonstrating is a dangerous thing, that Americans can get a false impression based on propaganda in the media that we have. I feel like repeating what I said in #1 or explaining it more slowly.

All of Georgia was part of the Soviet Union. After USSR failed there was a war between Georgia & Russia over independence of Georgia. Georgia got independence, but in the settlement the Russian soldiers were allowed to stay in these 2 provinces as peace-keepers. There had been many people killed in ethnic cleansing type activities. and as many ethnic Russians lived in these 2 provinces Russian troops were agreed upon to stay. The Georgians turned their guns on these peace-keepers with no warning at all. Then they started to kill Russian civilians.

If Honduras were to send an army into Costa Rica and find an American enclave and kill 2,000 Americans in Costa Rica, would the US send troops in response? People like McCain would call that illegitimate. There's a certain amount of dishonesty here and an attitude of imperialism. It is very dangerous and it is supported by a self-righteous media only able to show information in a selective way.

The US has attacked 6 different countries with no provocation since 1989 and overthrown through violence the governments of each of those countries. The US is the biggest arms supplier in the world by far. The US has troops in 70 countries.

Russia is not the aggressor. Yet McCain and many brainwashed Americans systematically assert that Russia is the aggressor.

The US gives money and weaponry to Georgia. US soldiers were among the Georgian soldiers when it went and attacked Russian troops & civilians without warning. If the Americans are against international aggression, then they should replace their own government with a completely different regime.
12

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 12/09/2008 13:39:45
SouthernGent, perhaps it would be good if sometimes you watched the english language version of the Russian news outlets. That way you could get a more balanced view. here is a link.

http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/30260/video

SouthernGent, the US media is owned by 6 big corporations. They are with the corporate aristocracy that rules America. SouthernGent, we should be wary of this aristocracy.
13

SouthernGent,

12/09/2008 13:57:25
#12
Dig a little deeper. Georgia was independent prior to being swallowed up by the Soviets. The occupiers (Soviets then Russians) never left. After all those years of oppression, deals were made in favor of Russia. Russia has been holding a gun to the heads of Georgians ever since. I will repeat - Russia is in the wrong. No matter how you try to spin it.

You are correct, some american posters are demonstrating dangerous views, it just so happens that the poster is you.
14

Griffe,

12/09/2008 15:30:26
The response should be get your troops out of the whole of Georgia & your bombers out of Venezuela
15

Vasya,

12/09/2008 19:23:37
#14 What oppression against georgia in period of Russian Empire or Soviet time are you talking about??? They are alive as a nation only due to russian help. Their destiny was to be muslims with boys two years old taken to sultans's guard training... Oppression)))
16

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 12/09/2008 19:49:49
Wally, then they should see the set-up...excuse me, the interview... because even you are making complete generalizations that are not true.
Charlie Gibson went after her, with his glasses down his nose, he had the gall to say she has hubris.. at that point (in the beginning) I knew he was gunning for her, and so did everyone else.
He has the right to ask tough questions, but he has never asked them of Obama, and I don't think he would say HE was arrogant.
People complained she called him Charlie!! Well, I saw the Obama interview when numerous times he called Bill O'Reilly Bill.
Who are you kidding.
If people "around the world" want to know about her, why don't they see an unedited interview with her?
17

Itchy,

12/09/2008 20:02:27
#7 the size of the Russian defence budget was widely reported when Russia invaded Georgia a few weeks ago and the information about Spain is also widely reported.

Income in Russia is about £250 a month, on average.
18

Itchy,

12/09/2008 20:05:06
#16 How about in 1921 when the Soviet Union annexed Georgia?

19

Itchy,

12/09/2008 20:07:01
#16 are you trying to tell us that Tsarist Russia and the Soviet Union were freedom-loving?
20

SouthernGent,

12/09/2008 20:25:07
#16
Out of curiosity, how many of the ex-soviet countries would you say "asked" the soviets to take them under their wing. I know what history says, but I would like to know what you think the answer is.
21

Vasya,

12/09/2008 22:40:36
#21 Dear SouthernGent in #16 I asked you a simple question - but I did not get any answer??? So should I think that that you do not have responsibility for your own words???
http://russia.rin.ru/guides_e/6971.html
Learn elementary level of history))) What Georgia are you talking about, dear??? Georgia is a myth that never existed. Modern Georgia in psot-Soviet borders, which are ADMISTRATIVE borders between the republics IN Soviet Unions) was created by georgian called Josef Dzhugashvili, which you know as Stalin)))
Those borders were created to make ruling simplier. In particular Chrischev gave Crimea which was obtained by RUSSIA in RUSSIAN-Turkish wars in 18 century. You know why 56??? Because in 1656 it was a treaty about ETERNAL joining of Ukraine to Russia))) Nobody really cared about borders inside USSR. But when USSR collapsed it caused a huge amount problems immidiately. That's why Putin called USSR collapse as one of the biggest catastropfic events of XX century. Just to imagine that - imagine well probable splite of Belgium on two parts in sitation when EU does not exist and how they will divide french speaking Brussel surounded by flemish territories. Have you done it? So multiply the devastations by 200 and you will aproximately understand what was USSR collapse for ordinary people.

But back to Georgia. Before it became part of Russian Empire there was a congloerate of hostile micro-states with their own princes))) Even in Georgievsky treaty about russian protectorate over Eastern Georgia it is about EASTERN Georgia only... Abkhazia was always separate)) It was eparate treaty between Abkhazia and Russian Empire, separate treaty between Soviet union and Abkhazia. Georgia has nothing to do it)))
In 1921 Georgia existed in borders that were never been recognized by anyone))) The biggest ... (put here a bad word, please) in russian history called Lenin(original name Ulyanov) with another ... (the same word) Trotsky (or.name Bronstein)trade russian la
22

Vasya,

12/09/2008 22:40:52
The biggest ... (put here a bad word, please) in russian history called Lenin(original name Ulyanov) with another ... (the same word) Trotsky (or.name Bronstein)trade russian land and souls for world wide proetaric revolution easily. he gave even to estonia and Latvia land that never were theirs because those countries have never existed like Georgia or Finland)))
But anyway... I am still waitnig for the answer what oppression of Georgia you meant in #14.
23

Vasya,

12/09/2008 22:58:35
#20 ))) Dear Itchy))) Your level of history apprehesion is a bit strange for adult))) but undestandable))) You in Europe did not think too long allowing US to think for you) And as children you belive in ferytales that US used against USSR))) But if US knows well the real price of this freedom talks you believe it is something real))) After WWII Europe is absolute impotent and it reminds a guy that found his balls but has know idea how to use it and what it is for)))
So you question about freedom and Russian Empire is a bit incorrect as it was about Ancient Roman Empire))) When you try think historically try to adjust your mind to definitions of period you think. But anyway...Soviet Union gave independance to Finland and Poland in 1917 when Britain gave independence to India in 1947, France to Algeria in 60s... So... "Who the f... are you to teach me???" (copyright - foreigng minister Lavrov words to his counterpart Miliband in recent telephone talk)
24

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 12/09/2008 22:58:59
Lynne

Don't cloud the issue. This is what was said on ABC.

GIBSON: What is your opinion on whether Georgia and Ukraine should be put into NATO?

PALIN: Both deserve to be included in Nato.

GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn't we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia?

PALIN: Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help.

This is an immature and dangerous answer which will have implications across the world. Forget the lipstick humour, it seems as though the Pitbull image is truer than you can imagine. Scary.
25

SouthernGent,

12/09/2008 23:45:42
325
What part is scary to you. The part wear NATO should include all the European countries and stand by its committment. Or the fact that many european countries want to exclude Georgia/Ukraine because they are afraid of Russia.
26

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 12/09/2008 23:54:46
26

I think you know the answer.
27

SouthernGent,

13/09/2008 00:14:49
#22
The Treaty of Moscow was signed between Soviet Russia (RSFSR) and the Democratic Republic of Georgia (DRG) in Moscow on May 7, 1920, which granted Georgia independence. The treaty was signed by Grigol Uratadze for Georgia and Lev Karakhan for Russia, in Moscow on May 7, 1920

The soviets INVADED an independent Georgia in 1921. That my friend is oppression and occupation.
28

SouthernGent,

13/09/2008 00:17:28
#27
I would be afraid too of the implications a of a weak Europe.
29

Vasya,

13/09/2008 01:10:48
#28 ))) You are naive. If you think that history is made by such treaties then you are wrong))) The price of that treaty was the same as pact Ribbentrop-Molotov (treaty about peace between Soviet Union and Germany)- just temporal treaty to move forces somehere else. And do not mix russian and soviet bytheway. Russians were the most suffered from communists (very much from georgian, may be especially from georgian - Stalin, Beria) population in Soviet union. Keep it in mind when you think about oppresion of georgians and Georgia.
In 1920-21 inside Georgia they had more than enough comminists as well. Those guys invited their comrads like georgians Beria, Ordzhonikidze and Dzhugashvili (Stalin)))) So do not tell me ferrytales about russian oppresion). That was normal Civil War everywhere in former Russian Empire russians against russians, georgians against georgians. Georgians in Tbilisi lost and communistic georgians won and with russian comrads they dreamt about world revolution, when it will be no borders and all people will be brothers in free labour))) Once again forget modern categories of post-communist era when talk about 20s in Russia.
I can tell you a secret. Lenin gave independence to everyone so easily basing on one idea - very soon all those countries will be one big proletarian state. And the situation when polish troops defeated Red Army was shock rather not militarian but ideological. Stalin was much more pragamtical and finished all the stupid ideas about world revolution when he broke Trotsky's skull. So Stalin was more carefull with borders. So untill recent time we lived acording to borders formed by him)))
30

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 13/09/2008 02:27:50
It is not because they are communists that we don't trust them, it is because they are Russians. They liberated Manchuria from the Japanese in 1945 and stayed for over a decade!QED. Oh!they relieved north-east China of everything they could strip the place of in the process of leaving.They come here to Dalian as tourists but are still not liked or trusted at all.
31

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 14/09/2008 18:59:47
Andrew..I'm not clouding the issue...here...is a link...use it. You will get to see the UNEDITED version of this interview.

newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/13/abc-news-edited-out-key-parts-sarah-palin-interview

or go to www.abcnews.com and check the comments about this inquisition.. I am not alone. More than 3,000 people agree with me.
32

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE for McCain 03/10/2008 04:19:46
31
Dragonhead,
Dalian,China

Don't mess with TEXAS .. and Don't mess with Russia.

Hey Dude, we are still waiting for U answers.

U never gave us the answer to:

How many Chinese are executed each year by Ur masters the CCP. The West say its 15.000 executions.

U never gave us the answer to:

How many Chinese women are forced to abort.

The West say its between 11 million and 13 million Chinese women that are forced to abort.

Has the cat got Ur tongue dude. Or did the CCP terror squad seal Ur lips with fear.

Do U have a backbone ?
Have a nice day Dude
33

Johnnyf,

Scotland 11/10/2008 05:52:36
Well reading Wally's comments I can now appreciate that THERE IS a sensible American. Hey Southern Gent, get a spellcheck on your posts, it only underlines your general country's lack of culture, intelligence, etc. The fact that you are even voting for these two warmongers.Hey, in this country,the UK,that is Britain,by the way, potential Prime Ministers, Chancellors of the Exchequer, Foreign Ministers(Hey DO YOU MEAN WE'VE got FOREIGNERS in our Government?), have to serve quite a long political apprenticeship, firstly as MPs and then as their career develops as Junior Ministers. They are not plucked from obscurity as in the US and could potentially be the most powerful person on the planet.(I thought Putin is going to be that). Hey, Do you mean that they actually read, LIKE, history books in Europe? Go back to your isolationist days USA. I said in a comment a few weeks ago World War II, Russia, 23 Million Dead, UK + USA less than a million.
Now, who has got to protect their borders. In my young days ST. John Kennedy almost killed us all over the Cuban Missile affair. Kennedy and his canonised brother INVADED CUBA. So what is the deal about protecting yourself against invasion. The USA has invaded so many countries over the last 50 odd years. I going to be asked for examples here, but as Sarah Palin's church advocates, here's a pre-emptive strike, why did USA overthrow a democratically elected government in Chile in the early 1970's, Grenada, Iraq etc. Georgia started the war, and it will say so in future history books in Europe, no matter how it is portrayed in Hollywood.
The USA entered WWI at the last moment, won it I believe(watched the films), entered WWII later, after shafting a lot of women in UK whose husbands were actually fighting, and more importantly shafted us in the UK for lending us money(but won it again.A few hundred miles.The Russians, who were on our side, mainly from the start and were devasted by the Nazis, won the war.And, strangely enough, C
34

Johnnyf,

Scotland 11/10/2008 06:05:39
P.S. Just put a wee, LIKE, grammatical, LIKE, errors in the post to see if our American frENDS? got it. No, apart from everything else they don't get, LIKE, IRONY?

 

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