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Published Date: 04 April 2008
A TRANSGENDER man who is six months pregnant said in a television interview yesterday that he had always wanted to have a child and considers it "a miracle".
"It's not a male or female desire to have a child. It's a human desire," said thinly bearded Thomas Beatie, who was once a teenage beauty queen.

"I have a very stable male identity," he added, in an interview, broadcast on The Oprah Winfrey Sh
ow in the United States.

Mr Beatie, 34, who lives in Oregon, was born a woman but decided to become a man ten years ago.

He began taking testosterone treatment and had breast surgery to remove glands and flatten his chest.

"I opted not to do anything with my reproductive organs because I wanted to have a child one day," he said.

Mr Beatie's wife, Nancy, said she inseminated him with a syringe, using sperm purchased from a sperm bank.

Now, he said, his size 32 jeans were getting a bit tight and his shirts a bit stretched.

Mrs Beatie, to whom he has been married for five years and who has two grown daughters by a previous marriage, also appeared on the show, saying the couple's roles will not change once the baby, a girl, is born.

"He's going to be the father and I'm going to be the mother," she said.

Their marriage is legal and he is recognised under Oregon state law as a man.

"I can't believe it. I can't believe she's inside me," said Mr Beatie.

His obstetrician, Dr Kimberly James, who practises in the town of Bend, where the couple live, told Winfrey: "This is a normal pregnancy.

This baby is totally healthy."

The Beaties said they decided to go public so they could control the way the news got out. "We're just going to have the baby now," Mrs Beatie said. "If we have to, we'll go hide."

Winfrey called the development "a new definition of what diversity means for everybody."





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  • Last Updated: 03 April 2008 11:22 PM
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 04/04/2008 00:38:59
The Whole Point is!

The..'HE', in Question, is a..'SHE'!

One thing for sure, ..'HE/SHE', will make a lot of money out of this.
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piciegrl65,

Sacramento, CA 04/04/2008 02:10:19
Okay, this is NOT an actual pregnant man, this is a biological WOMAN who decided to have surgery to become a man on the OUTSIDE.

If you still have FEMALE reproductive organs, then you are technically still a WOMAN. Give me a break. This person is only being declared a MAN is because SHE is living her life as a MAN. This should confuse the kid when he/she gets older.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 04/04/2008 02:21:33
Yes Folks, but think of the, $$$$$$$$, 'Ms NO Brests' will make!
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mama29,

Frederick 04/04/2008 03:46:58
well i feel as though they should have first educated little boys on fertility but since he was a woman at one time then i think that some one needs to explain this whole mess my 8yr old..
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fatedealt,

04/04/2008 03:51:27
I heard about this "pregnancy" on oprah. I find this whole scam completely reprehensible. I am also very disapointed that Oprah gives this the air time. Come on Oprah, the freak show days of your program are gone. Don't even suggest that this is "diversity." I agree that this is a woman parading around as a man. Yeah, I sound bitter, but then again, I went as far as medical technology goes to have a child - with no luck, and I AM a woman. This is insulting to the people like me who have long wished for a child!
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Casabela,

NY 04/04/2008 04:04:21
How can this be a miracle? This is a catastrophe!
How can Oprah agree that this is “his” right?
Are people just out of their mind? Egocentric,
Self-centered are the individuals that agrees with this.
“He” is only feeding is own desire without taking in
Consideration the baby that is in this CONFUSED body!
This is RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!
Be Ridiculous in your own home, PLEASE do not
Re-educate the society with this crap! WE ALL
Know that there is a need of a REAL MAN and a REAL
WOMAN to conceive…obviously… this is not Nancy’s
Kid, and obviously Thomas is NOT a MAN!
They couldn’t have conceived this poor baby! They
Are two lunatic womans!
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta; . CA.....a place in the Sun 04/04/2008 04:57:50
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,
San Francisco

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I don't agree with Ur political views ..But in this case I agree with U comment.

This person is NOT a man, its a mutilated female.

GC
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dunkiecmd,

arizona 04/04/2008 04:58:22
All this story is about a lesbian married couple who conceived a child thru artificial insemination. ( MR.) Beatie is mearly a woman who is in the alpha male role of the relationship who is on testosterone therapy to make her body appear to be male.. She still has her female reproductive organs which makes this birth the same as millions of other WOMEN in the world.. I say, have a biologically born male give birth to a 10lb baby thru "his" reproductive organs THEN I ll be impressed with the story... PLEASE Folks!!!! I cant believe Oprah was sucked into this story....
On a lighter side though, I do wish that the pregnancy is a healthy one for the baby...
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aleasah,

Vashon, WA 04/04/2008 05:06:39
I truley can not believe the insensitivites of the commments listed from the people above. Oprah is absolutely amazing for covering stories on Trangendered individuals. She does it sensitively, informatively and most important with a complete level of acceptance and NOT tolerance like most of our society sticks to. It seems to be much more comfortable to just "tolerate" diversity rather than to actually accept it for what it is.

I am so appaled and upset by everyone's extremely negative point of view stated.

Our country does not need people such as yourselves influencing our society or our children. I sincerely hope that none of you are in such a position to do so.

To mama 29 who asked for someone to explain "this whole mess" to her 8 yr old, I want to know who is going to explain all of YOUR comments to my 11 year old who just heard me exclaim in shock and horror as I was reading all of these comments. Biologically, she is not my child. My boyfriend gave birth to her, and she is proud to support her trans male identified mother. She has no self esteem issues regarding this, nor is she confused by any means.

Being trans is not "lunatic, ego-centric, self-centered, freakish OR a scam" and to anyone who thinks so, I really feel for you. I strongly encourage you to go out and educate yourselves. I can assure you that at least one person you know in your lifetime, or more than one folk you meet along your path will be trans and you will have NO CLUE. Why? Because THEY ARE THE SEX THAT THEY ARE REPRESENTING!!!! That's why.

You have absolutely every right to feel the way you do, and I for one, can say that I felt that way many years ago. The main reason being that I had no understanding of what it meant to be Transgendered. This is a symptom called Fear Of The Unknown. So, I made the adult choice and informed myself. In the process, I ended up understanding who these people are and more about their struggles. I am currently in a very
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untitled899,

Canada 04/04/2008 05:40:35
I completely agree with *aleasah*. It's lack of knowledge that is the problem. People are afraid of what they don't know. This is not in any way self-centered or freakish. As long as these two individuals love their child, it doesn't matter what they look like. The people who have made the negative comments above are what's wrong with this society not Thomas.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/04/2008 08:05:16
It is no one's right to have a child. It is nature's gift. If you have to use strange means to get yourself pregnant do not claim that it is your right to have a baby.
These people are freaks. There is no "third sex" and it should not be tolerated in any society because it is a threat to that society. It makes the society weak and vulnerable to absorption by other stronger societies.
It is very dangerous that you become apathetic about your moral standpoint and allow this kinds of people to undermine your own values.
What has made western society great is based on the issue of family. And family is a man and a woman having children if they are able to. It is not men and men or women and women or men who were women or whatever bastardised combination these freaks want to sell to you.
You are right when you say this "thing" is entirely selfish with no thought for the child concerned. However what kind of society "tolerates" these freaks mutilating their bodies in this fashion in the first place?
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Boy Wonder,

04/04/2008 08:32:34
#1-#4 Charles ... there's your answer for the "baby problem". Id DYW still ain't co-operating ... have it yourself, man
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 04/04/2008 08:45:54
#14 BW!,

'Aye Right Then'!....:-)

Knowing my luck, it would be..'Quads' or Worse.

Anyway BW!....'Dinny Start'!
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JG,

Fife 04/04/2008 08:56:31
#10 Aleasah
How do you know these kids aren't adversely affected by all of this? I watched this man on the news and he is weird. He doesn't have a "right" to have a baby and who knows what effect it will have on the child when she/he tries to identify their "mother" by describing them as "the guy in the suit with the naff beard". I don't to "learn" about transgenders - you do what you like; I couldn't give a monkey's. JUST LEAVE THE CHILDREN OUT OF IT, EH?
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please,

seattle wa 04/04/2008 09:42:40
I agree with most everyone here saying this is insane. To #10 Aleasah,Vashon, WA I would like to say to you This is not normal he is not a man he is a woman!!!!! How else could he be having a baby? Yes it is much harder for me to explain to my 13, 9, and 4 year old what is going on. Then you to your 11 yr old. You live it. Its not normal its not the way god made things.

This shouldnt be looked at as a mircale and I dont think it should be praised as something wonderful. I hope their baby is healthy but I dont wish to see it on my local tv or see it on my computer.

It also seems to me that no one has a problem with the fact that they are a gay couple or she turned to a he. Its the simple fact of them (to me) making a PREGNANCY which is SUCH A BEAUTIFUL THING that we as WOMAN OWN and CHERISH being MADE INTO a CIRCUS ACT. What about all the hormones he has been taking I can only imagine what is going on in his body it doesnt know what to do first its a woman then its a man now its growing another person I cant imagine the baby being born without something being wrong. GOD HELP US.
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please,

SEATLLE WA 04/04/2008 09:52:45
Its not fear of the unknown I am not looking at him/her afraid. Maybe its you who is afraid maybe because you have to try and justife your life style and choices and try to push it down our throats. You know deep down its not normal. If you truly believe it is none of this should bother you and you wouldnt even waist your time leaving a comment.
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KM84,

albuquerque, nm 04/04/2008 09:59:07
aleasah,Vashon, WA - YOU GO GIRL!

For one, all of you who think that this baby is going to come out with something wrong, he stopped taking the hormone pills 2 years ago when they first started trying. Why you all are deciding to make this into something insane, like the start of a war makes absolutely no sense. Everyone should be allowed the oppurtunity to have a child, whether they are a woman, used to be one or not. We don't deny people who adopt who are unable to have children so why should we deny these two human beings to have a child? If they are willing to go through the risks and the drama that all of you are making of it, then GOOD FOR THEM. They aren't asking for charity, they aren't doing anything like that, and it is by far one of the most interesting stories that we have seen in a while, besides all of the normal garbage that we see on television. None of you have the right to judge these two because none of you have had to live their lives and know what's going on. God made us the way we are but God also gave us our right to choose how we live our lives. Ultimately if we are happy so is he, shouldn't that be enough for you people?
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04/04/2008 10:18:51
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04/04/2008 10:31:00
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

04/04/2008 10:35:09
Of course there are people who are born into the wrong body. Take hermaphrodites for example, born with both sets of genitalia?...I'm willing to bet that your 'sympathy' would not allow you to call these people freaks...because the physical evidence is there to see. But what if...what if..it were possible for people to be born into the opposite sex of what they truly perceive themselves to be?...can you imagine how much these people must suffer?...After all folks,you cannot see your own god yet you claim he exists..
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Daft Old Git,

04/04/2008 10:43:15
I'm confused
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 04/04/2008 10:55:44
WOW!!,

#@17 please,seattle!


#'21 Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen!


YOU TELL THEM GIRLS!!!!

WELL-DONE!! Brilliant Posts!!

Thank GOD Women Have a 'Temper'!

Best Beautiful Comment of the Year! From,,

'#17 please,seattle wa'

"PREGNANCY which is SUCH A BEAUTIFUL THING that we as WOMAN OWN and CHERISH"


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BenTen,

04/04/2008 11:20:10
My daddy is actually my mother....... and people will wonder why the kid grows up confused..... men cannot have children and this 'thing' would do well to re-establish 'her' female identity..... if nothing else - at least for the sake of the child.....
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04/04/2008 11:24:35
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Deangarcianyc,

New York City 04/04/2008 11:38:29
It's a shame to see so many people saying such negative things about this. Whether a person is male or female, gay, straight, transgendered, black, white, purple, the gift of life is BEAUTIFUL. The children are our future. Without them, the human race would cease to exist as we know it.

I applaud Thomas and Nancy for the courage to come out publicly about this, knowing the dangers of just how far ignorant people can go.

What makes Thomas so different from the rest of us? He laughs and cries, his blood is no redder than mine. He is a HUMAN BEING. And all human beings deserve respect.

Does the bible say "Love thy neighbor and you love thy self"? What about Jesus' golden rule? Would any of you people that are calling them freaks want that kind of treatment in return?

I find it very immature and scary ( #13 specifically ) to see these kind of stand points. Diversity is what makes our world so amazing. If everyone looked the same and acted the same, every day life would be pretty boring don't you think?

It is Thomas' right to give birth to his child. It's his body it's his life. The only person that should cast judgment on anyone is GOD.

#10 Aleasah,

You're right fear is what drives people to say these things and to be unwelcoming of the unknown. I am NOT afraid! They seem like a great family and their daughter will become someone great in the world some day.

Best of Wishes to Mr and Mrs. Beatie!
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Fairfax,

04/04/2008 12:28:14
Deangarcianyc (29): "Diversity is what makes our world so amazing. If everyone looked the same and acted the same, every day life would be pretty boring don't you think?"

However, if diversity is good, then presumably this also includes the many diverse people who disapprove of this event, as well as those who approve. In other words, your own views on diversity also logically require you to respect the views of those who are morally conservative. Since this is presumably not your wish, you must abandon the value of diversity in your argument and consider again.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

04/04/2008 12:43:16
26 ThatScottishWoman...aye got some in a bottle...sends her doolallie for a bit...slabbers buckets...bit like your arch enemy..heh heh...anyway, back to the subject...there are babies who due to being hermaphrodite at birth have, as you say, had their gender assigned to them by medical staff...some of these people have been found, as adults, to have been given the wrong gender, were forced to grow up as male or female when they were in fact the opposite....it really is pretty blinkered in this day and age to think that such a thing could not happen...
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neohiobiker,

ne ohio 04/04/2008 14:02:25
That's really nasty........BUT I can understand a woman wanting to become a man.......It's called Penis envy.......Even though she doesn't have one ( I'm guessing?) But it's what all women truely desire deep down.......The first woman even had a thing for the snake
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04/04/2008 14:18:58
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Reckless,

Lev 18:22 04/04/2008 14:22:02
BTW, what they're doing is a perversion. It's vile and disgusting. Still, we must love the sinner and try to convince them to repent.
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Partan,

Fife 04/04/2008 15:25:57
Well Reckless, I'm sure all the "vile and disgusting" "sinners" whose "choice" is a gay lifestyle will sleep easier knowing that you love them.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/04/2008 15:42:31
#29 "Does the bible say "Love thy neighbor and you love thy self"? What about Jesus' golden rule? Would any of you people that are calling them freaks want that kind of treatment in return?"

Isn't it amazing that most people who quote the bible reach for that one. How about God's 10 golden rules? Honour thy father and thy mother - not thy mother and thy mother/mulitated woman who wants to be a man. If you want to quote the bible at us, talk about the verses that tell you to smash children's heads against the rocks if they use bad language.

"I find it very immature and scary ( #13 specifically ) to see these kind of stand points. Diversity is what makes our world so amazing."

Yes, that's how nature keeps it. But people like you have messed and messed and messed with nature until you have made freaks like this part of society. You have weakened the whole human race, your societies especially. When there is nothing for your children to look to, you will know why.

"If everyone looked the same and acted the same, every day life would be pretty boring don't you think?"
It is you who would make them all the same - some sort of non-sexual demi human. Be brave enough to celebrate the differences between men and women. Stop being so wishy washy and apathetic.

"It is Thomas' right to give birth to his child. It's his body it's his life. The only person that should cast judgment on anyone is GOD."

So you're saying god scr*wed up? You make me laugh, tossing the god word around and then tacitlly telling us that god created this person but "accidentally" stuck it in the wrong body - oops - thereby "accidentally" causing it a whole lot of pain and misery but that's all okay now because luckily we have surgeons to change this crazy god's work and make it all better.
Give me a break. Either believe in your christian god or find another that better fits your very strange view of the way the world works.
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I C Weiner,

04/04/2008 15:57:52
hahhaha - just like in 'So i Married and Axe Murderer', "Pregnant Man Gives Birth"
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Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 04/04/2008 16:16:19
Surely, with the increase of female hormones that occur during a pregnancy, there should be no vestige of a beard remaining from her use of testosterone. I have grave doubts about the health of the baby. I consider myself pretty liberal, but this particular story leaves me feeling ill.
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Deangarcianyc,

04/04/2008 16:44:51
"So you're saying god scr*wed up? You make me laugh, tossing the god word around and then tacitlly telling us that god created this person but "accidentally" stuck it in the wrong body - oops - thereby "accidentally" causing it a whole lot of pain and misery but that's all okay now because luckily we have surgeons to change this crazy god's work and make it all better."

I didn't say it was an accident. And we don't really know what is fact and what is fiction about god. The bible was written by men.

Honour thy father and thy mother - not thy mother and thy mother/mulitated woman who wants to be a man.

Either way, they are still the child's parents. Would it be acceptable for a child to call his mother or father a mutilated abomination? If I told my mother that she'd drop kick me to mars and drag me back by the ear!


Yes, that's how nature keeps it. But people like you have messed and messed and messed with nature until you have made freaks like this part of society.

What's wrong with Evolution? Change is what makes us stronger.

It is you who would make them all the same - some sort of non-sexual demi human. Be brave enough to celebrate the differences between men and women. Stop being so wishy washy and apathetic.

I'm not forcing anyone to be anything. I'm simply accepting how they choose to live their life. Because it's not my place to tell anyone what to do.
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Deangarcianyc,

04/04/2008 16:47:10
#30,

Perhaps your right, but I was speaking more on what is an extreme which I feel is expressed in #13's words.

Many have already said he sounds fascist. I have to agree. But at the same time I respect the opinion.

Everyone is free to live their lives around how they choose. So long as I am not affected negatively by it, I have nothing against anything.
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Bryan H.,

Monterey Bay 04/04/2008 18:17:33
Ok, so here's my take since everyone is on a gripe about this. Physically he is a she, no question about that. Mentally She is a he. Now she is still a she no matter what because she kept her original reproductive organs. However, she still has her agency and while I may not respect her decision, I understand that she still has a right to make it. Now on the part with Oprah, Oprah is a crack pot, I've never understood what makes her so special. Its the same thing with Dr. Phil. Whats he a doctor of anyways. But I guess in the very least she (oprah) was just trying to make the couple feel comfortable with their decision, something that they shouldn't have needed anyways because they now have to live with their decision for the rest of their lives anyways. I do feel sorry for the three children because one can't tell what kind've male role models all three of the daughters have in their lives.
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Deangarcianyc,

04/04/2008 20:36:31
41 Bryan,

I think Thomas will make a great father. He's as masculine as he should be.

He seems to have good moral values. I think he'll do just fine. =)
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Bryan H.,

Monterey Bay 04/04/2008 20:49:24
I don't recall making any comments about moral values just about having a proper male role model in their lives
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Bryan H.,

Monterey Bay 04/04/2008 20:49:26
I don't recall making any comments about moral values just about having a proper male role model in their lives
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bikewoman,

04/04/2008 21:49:18
I see the Freehootsman trolls have deleted several comments that they disagree with.
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Reckless,

Pregnant lezzer 04/04/2008 22:17:03
Stop deleting my posts! This is the reason the mainstream media is losing business to alternative news sites. At least they tend not to censor comments. The Scotsman would have been a successful paper in Nazi Germany.

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Mashimaro,

China 05/04/2008 01:12:48
It defies belief that anyone would think it is this freak's "right" to bring a child into the world.
Is it blind people's right to ensure that their baby is blind? No!
Is it a couple's right to ensure that their child is blonde, beautiful, an Olympic athlete and a genius? No!
These so called rights are directly against nature. #39 This is not "evolution". This is circus. It gnaws at your society and mark my words, it leaves you open to invasion and subjugation by other societies. It is happening to you already and few of you realise it.
This is not some deep conspriacy theory just the way the world works. To paraphrase the great Genghis Khan - never let yourself grow fat and lazy because you will lose everything to those who are quick and hungry.
Your acceptance of this is weakness, it's apathy and laziness and shows you to be spineless. No wonder your country and your people are in a such a mess.
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Mike X-TNT,

greece 05/04/2008 19:52:47
first god has nothing to do mental disorders he/she
reproductive organs IT'S A SHE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mental sick both of them to want to have a kid
this kid is going to have one hell of a ****up life
Freaks of nature - Freak - moral values - you name it
The first woman had a thing for the snake dam right!
to 17 "Its not normal its not the way god made things"
no it's not it was a doc up state!
i think she/it whatever most not keep the child .....
This is RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!

facts = Oprah more $$$$

DO'S ANY ONE HAVE THE NUMBER TO JERRY SPRINGER
THIS ONE GOT AWAY
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA x1000
in the words of W.S. "GET A LIFE"
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 05/04/2008 22:10:09
Alex Salmond looks pregnant.
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Deangarcianyc,

05/04/2008 22:45:31
#50

Well my BELIEF is that these people have every reason to live their lives as they want to. Diversity does not make a society weak. Ignorance does. Lack of willingness to change and adapt to new things is weakness.

China and Cuba are the only communist states left...weren't there 3? If the society you believe is so strong, why is there more democratic and republic states than communist? Who's the weaker society?

Freedom to do what one pleases with their life is why democracy is not only in the United States, but in All of North America, Europe, Australia and quite a few other places.

What you're implying Mashimaro, is that these people don't deserve to live. Is that what you're saying?

If so, I think you need to see the wizard of oz and tell him you need a heart. The bible speaks of having compassion. Since you seem to believe so strongly of it, where is yours?

There was a comment I saw on another site...this woman said that the child was god's gift. That no matter what, this child was meant to come into the world. I think that this is true. It is a sign that times are changing, people are changing and people can either adapt to the changes and become stronger. Or remain ignorant and left to history.

But that's just what I think.
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Mashimaro,

China 06/04/2008 15:26:26
#55 China and Cuba are the only communist states left...weren't there 3? If the society you believe is so strong, why is there more democratic and republic states than communist? Who's the weaker society?

That's an entire debate on its own. Let us just say that at the moment Winston "communism shoul be strangled at birth" Churchill is winning. But I would like to point you to the second great power in this world... Islam. How democratic is that? How ironic that Islam and Communist/Authoritarian countries are buying up yours. Capitalism might be popular but it isn't the strongest.

"What you're implying Mashimaro, is that these people don't deserve to live. Is that what you're saying?"

I am saying first and foremost that they should not be allowed to breed in unnatural ways.

"The bible speaks of having compassion. Since you seem to believe so strongly of it, where is yours?"

Jesus Christ, probably the first communist rebel in the world, spoke of compassion. The Bible speaks mostly of intolerance and vengeance. It says quite clearly "honor they father and they mother" not any other variation you would wish to dream up.

I have little problem with people living their own lives the way they want to. But usually their selfishness affects others. In this case it's the life of a child. A person who will not be able to simply walk away when this "thing" that gave it birth falls apart, probably with dire consequences. That is extremely selfish and it is better that the child not be born at all.
"There was a comment I saw on another site...this woman said that the child was god's gift. That no matter what, this child was meant to come into the world. I think that this is true. "
Would that be the god that made the mistake of putting this woman in the body of a woman? If you put a loaded gun to your head and pull the trigger would you say it's god's will that you die? Take some responsibility instead of just "doing what you want". Your society is weak and fa
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

06/04/2008 18:04:34
"I have little problem with people living their own lives the way they want to"

liar

What about women in China and Tibet who want several children and NOT to be sterilised...

What about the Falung Gong who wish to practice their faith and NOT be murdered by the CCP..

Never mind God D.Head...think science and progression...

"they should not be allowed to breed in unnatural ways"

Just who are you to tell anyone if they should or should not reproduce?...who do you think you are..just because you enforce it in China and Tibet does not mean that you can dictate elsewhere....fool...
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06/04/2008 18:40:52
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Mashimaro,

China 06/04/2008 18:41:16
THE TROLL: Just who are you to tell anyone if they should or should not reproduce?...who do you think you are..just because you enforce it in China and Tibet does not mean that you can dictate elsewhere....fool...

You seem to think you can dictate to China...
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

06/04/2008 19:19:44
61...If its none of my business to comment on China and its 'family unplanning' policy then its none of your business to comment on anyone else's in other countries savvy?...you should listen to yer wee sidekick P45/D.Head (how many ID's do you have?)and take a leaf out of his wee red book..

"none of your business!" sQwUak..."who's a pretty boy then?"..sQwUak...

It is China that is doing the 'Dictating'...How's corruption in the CCP these days?...they still turning them over to the courts?
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07/04/2008 02:10:17
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Mashimaro,

China 07/04/2008 04:27:23
#63 Yes it does. And now just descends into utter jibberish - and not for the first time.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

07/04/2008 10:51:24
Utopian dream - Human nightmare

CHINA
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

12/04/2008 12:56:49
Ex-Communist Party chief jailed





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View GalleryTHE former Communist Party chief of China's financial capital, Shanghai, has been jailed for 18 years for his role in a massive bribery and corruption scandal involving the city's pension funds.
Chen Liangyu, who was also a member of China's powerful 24-seat Politburo, was the highest-level Chinese official to be dismissed in a decade.

 

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