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Published Date: 26 February 2008
SHOCKING evidence of US Democrat presidential hopeful Barack Obama's hidden Islamic sympathies – or a final, dirty, trick by the floundering campaign of Hillary Clinton?
Obama pictured in traditional Somali clothing in 2006
Obama pictured in traditional Somali clothing in 2006
That is the question being asked across the United States after a photograph showing Obama in Somali traditional dress was circulated yesterday.

The photograph, showing Obama with tribal elders in a white sash and turban, was taken during the senator's official visit to Kenya in 2006.

The gossip and news website Drudge Report posted the image yesterday claiming it was sent to them as part of a smear campaign by the Clinton camp.

Drudge reported an unnamed Clinton staffer saying "wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were HRC?" a reference to Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Mr Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, accused Mrs Clinton of "shameful, offensive fear-mongering".

Speaking on the eve of the final head-to-head debate before the all-important primaries next week in Ohio and Texas, Mr Plouffe said: "It's exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world."

But Maggie Williams, Mrs Clinton's campaign manager, insisted it is Mr Obama, not Mrs Clinton, who is playing dirty tricks."If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed," she said.

Clinton staffers, who refuse to confirm or deny they sent the photograph, insist there is nothing offensive in the picture: American leaders have a long tradition of dressing in local attire while on foreign visits.

However, as the Democratic primary contests enter their most crucial stage, the negativity meter has been climbing, and a game of bluff and double bluff is beyond neither camp.

Mrs Clinton needs to win the contests next week in Ohio and Texas to keep a realistic chance of beating Mr Obama, while he knows victories there would kill off her challenge. Currently they are neck-and-neck in Texas while she has a modest lead in Ohio.

Certainly it is nothing new for American leaders to dress in colourful outfits to please foreign hosts.

A caption issued with the photograph says it shows Mr Obama in traditional dress during a meeting with ethnic Somalis in north-east Kenya in August 2006 as a junior US senator.

A former US general, Scott Gration, who travelled with Mr Obama to Kenya, said the photograph was taken in all innocence, with Mr Obama donning traditional dress to be polite to his hosts. "He did what any great leader should do," he told CNN. "He accepted the gift, accepted the hospitality, accepted that token of friendship."

However the photograph made it into the public sphere, it has revived debate over alleged dirty tricks campaigns aimed at Mr Obama, whose father was a black Muslim Kenyan and mother a white American.

Last year, an anonymous source claimed Mr Obama attended an Islamic Madrassa, or religious school, during his upbringing in Indonesia – in fact, records show he went to secular and Catholic schools.

In December, two Clinton Iowa volunteers resigned after forwarding a hoax e-mail that falsely said Mr Obama is a Muslim possibly intent on destroying the US. Mr Obama is a member of the United Church of Christ and says he has never been a Muslim.

"People are acting as if he (Obama) is an Islamic Manchurian Candidate," said Senator John Kerry, an Obama supporter, in a reference to the Cold War film.

This weekend saw both sides abruptly sharpen their rhetoric. Mrs Clinton mocked Mr Obama's rhetorical style, branding him unrealistic.

Mr Obama, meanwhile, accused Mrs Clinton of backsliding over a free trade agreement, NATFA, she had supported when her husband as president.

Picture of traditional garb drew no flak at the time

Chris Stephen

MY FIRST brush with Obama-mania came in 2006, when I was researching a story on war crimes in Uganda.

I arrived in Kenya at the same time Mr Obama was in town for the visit in which the controversial picture was later snapped.

We shared the same hotel, ringed with security guards and wellwishers for what was, for Kenyans, a magic moment – an official visit by the first US senator, not just African-American, but of Kenyan descent.

The road to the village of his relatives in the western town of Nyangoma Kogalo had been specially upgraded for his motorcade and the local beer, Senator, had been renamed "Obama".

Across the capital, Nairobi locals sported T-shirts with "Welcome Home" emblazoned across them.

Mr Obama highlighted Aids awareness, earning plaudits for taking an Aids test in a clinic in Kisumu, one of the worst-hit regions, to encourage others to follow suit.

Kenya, once a British colony, is mostly Christian but about 20 per cent of the population, living along the coast, is Muslim.

Relations between Christians and Muslims in Kenya are good, despite grumblings by Muslims that the tribal culture among the ruling clans denies them their share of government jobs.

It was during a visit to ethnic Somalis among this community that the photograph of him in traditional garb was taken, though at the time it excited no criticism from the mostly Christian media.

The big difference between Obama-mania then and now is that the senator was keen to play down expectations, warning Kenyans that they should not expect a rush of aid as a result of his visit.

"There is a sense that somehow I can deliver the largesse of the US government," he told the press.



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1

Tris,

dundee 26/02/2008 00:34:22

Pathetic. Might it be because Hillary is getting worried now.

Texas and Ohio should more or less sort out the future, and it doesn't look like it's gonna be her.
2

Tom in Belmont,

Belmont 26/02/2008 00:43:32
I don't like Obama, but dressing in the local get-up is something politicians occasionally do. No big deal.
I don't like Hillary either, but no American politician controls all his or her supporters. If she were going to pull a stunt it would be nastier and less pedestrian than a silly photo.
3

Jon Bon Jovi,

26/02/2008 01:16:03

such a republican thing to do.... and there was me thinking the democrats were different!!!!!
4

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26/02/2008 01:18:12
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5

Marvin the Martian,

26/02/2008 01:42:53
Everyone is thinking the same thing!

No-one can say it!

Hilary Clinton must have a senior ex-military psy-ops Officer on her pay role.

To release this, catch Obama's camp saying what we can't and then get the doublt whammy of Clinton telling him off for it. Even though it's him in the photo!

This belongs on a contrived satire, very funny scenario on all levels. Cold manipulation of disgusting traits insociety.
6

Tom in Belmont,

Belmont 26/02/2008 01:46:03
#3
Hillary is out for Hillary. She's neither Dem nor Rep. She's a student of the Italian Communist Gramsci, about whom she wrote a senior college thesis she still refuses to release. Everything she does is a means to the end of putting her in the White House. She is utterly without scruple.
#4
I don't like either one, but Clinton is a lot scarrier than Obama; and your language is coming awfully close to racist. Can't you criticize his policies without harping on his name or origins?
7

Carolyn 1,

Rocky Mountains, Colorado 26/02/2008 01:55:57
Obama was born in Kenya and speaks of it kindly. It is all part and parcel of this international appeal that he likes to expound as being exceptional and unique qualities. He's proud of it. Why should being dressed as a Kenyan not bring him anything but pride with memories of home and a happy childhood? Shouldn't he be proud of both the people and the clothing where he was born?
Why now, suddenly, should his being international be "a dirty trick"?
8

Reaver,

The Left Coast 26/02/2008 01:58:34
#6, I concur with your notes on #3, but aren't you being PC with your note to #4? Why is it we can talk all we want about a white, male politician's background, but are supposed to shy away from doing the exact same thing for blacks or females? Yes, I am an Angry White Male, and my vote counts!
9

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26/02/2008 02:05:55
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truthsleuth,

26/02/2008 02:13:14
Tony Blair!!!!!!
11

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26/02/2008 02:17:44
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Carolyn 1,

Rocky Mountains, Colorado 26/02/2008 02:27:29
I don't think it's religious clothing, Wally. Everything says it's traditional clothing.
13

Jim Baxter RIP,

Sai Kung Hong Kong 26/02/2008 02:28:45
#7
Obama was born in the USA. You cannot be president of USA unless you were born there.
14

Tom in Belmont,

Belmont 26/02/2008 02:33:25
#8. My reference was to GC's language. "Half-caste" is a racist term, in my opinion, and that Obama's middle name is Hussein was after all his parents' decision, not his. Now if you want to accuse him of playing racial politics (which I think he is) or concealing some un-American sympathies (for which I have no evidence), go right ahead: just give me your evidence. I don't like his politics or his blather, and if you gave give me other reasons to oppose his candidacy, go right ahead. His race and his ethnic background don't count.
15

Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada - ex Perth & Glesca' 26/02/2008 02:53:29
#6 #7 #8

I agree with most of what you said.
Obama is going around talking business while Hillary gets her crew to dig up dirt and when it doesn't work she resorts to tears, albeit of the crocodile type.
She is a very dangerous person as was said, without scruples.

Cheers,
Haggis MacBagpipes™©
16

Carolyn 1,

Rocky Mountains, Colorado 26/02/2008 02:54:18
#13
You're right. His father was Kenyan. His second father, or step-father was from Indonesia and Obama lived there 12 years.
Obama was born in Hawaii.
17

Carolyn 1,

26/02/2008 02:59:03
#15
You're not even close to the truth.
Obama does not talk business or policy. In fact I have no idea what he plans to do.
I know Clinton's plans, programs, foreign policy, etc. I've got nothing to tell you about Obama except he's some kind of a new messianic event, wants to leave Iraq immediately, move into Pakistan and he supports the Palestinians.
18

57Nomad,

california 26/02/2008 02:59:51
#6 T in B

Tom, I believe the gentleman that she wrote her thesis about was Saul Alinsky. Alinsky is a far more dangerous and corrosive political tumor than Gramsci ever thought about being. Saul Alinsky's, Rules For Radicals is the lodestone of Clintonian politics. Furthermore, many of the fringe lefties who frequent this forum are aware of Alinsky's imperatives and hold closely to them in practice.

If you want to get your eyes opened do this. First google saul alinsky and rules for radicals. These are actual rules, not theory. There's only a dozen or so, it's easy reading in a couple of minutes. Then examine the line of attack of the Left (that's what they call themselves, hahaha) on this forum. I think you'll be surprised.
19

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA....Bye Bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil lead 26/02/2008 03:09:15
14
Tom in Belmont,
Belmont
---------------------------------------------------
I just stated facts dude. I am no racist.

February in the US is called Black history month . What the hell is all that about. dude. Why not have September a White history month.

These contrived Black history month deals do nothing more that fuel the real racism in our country.

Dude I don't care a rat's a*s if U are Black of white , but rather, can u do the job u applied for.

If that's racism then yes I am a racist.

As for Barack Hussein Obama my opinion is, that if u remove his charisma, his fantastic oratory, what U are left with smoke and mirrors.

As for John McCain his opponent, McCain is a fossilized Beltway geriatric, and a warmonger to booth.
If U don't like my language don't read it . I couldn't care less.

Its like those family value hypocrites who object to certain TV programs. Just switch off the programs dudes.

GC
GC
20

Encephalon,

26/02/2008 03:11:50
#11-muslim dress- nonsense-the only "muslim dress" requirement for males is that they must cover their head and take off their shows while in the mosque.


Clinton really has shown her true colours these past few days and her actions exemplify why she must never be allowed to become President. She really is the most vile abhorrent individual-crocodile tears, hugging little Mexican boys-yugh-that poor little kid-hope he is not too badly scarred emotionally!

As for Obama-far too much hype-my take is that people in the West have become really disenchanted with the whole political process -being governed by self-serving xxxx's and are building him up into some kind of messianic saviour and generating a level of expectancy that he will never be able to deliver.


21

Tom in Belmont,

Belmont 26/02/2008 03:13:59
#18
Thanks for the correction, and I've read elsewhere about both those characters. Confusing Gramsci with Alinsky is like confounding chicken pox and small pox.
22

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA....Bye Bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil lead 26/02/2008 03:25:38

57Nomad,
california

Hey Dude u are obsessed by Saul Alinsky. This is the second or third U made ref to SA relating to HRC.
So what she wrote a thesis on SA. Young students write thesis about all kinds of people and things.

Things ..."Dark matter"
People.... "Hitler"

Dude u seem to have a very short fuze . Why is that dude.
Did u miss out somewhere on U journey along life's line.
Chill Dude

U biological clock like mine, is ticking away to oblivion.

GC
23

tinkrbell,

Kentucky 26/02/2008 03:27:32
Shame on you, Hillary Clinton!! You must be in panic mode to dig up old photos os Sen. Obama wearing native dress. How low can you go to make this man look less desirable??
Your negative campaigning is a total turn off to all Americans with common sense. Wait & see...this will backfire on you BIG TIME!!!
BTW...His name is his name! Those who have a problem with it need to grow up!
AND...He calls himself African American because he is bi racial and if he called himself "whiite" he would be denying his African heritage. What should he call himself? light brown???
24

Landman,

26/02/2008 03:47:46
#23 tinkerbell

Obama is NOT African American; if he was he would not qualify to be President of the United States of America. You must be born in the United States to be President. African Americans are born in Africa. European Americans are born in Europe; Canadian Americans are born in Canada, all of which move to the US.

Barrack is 1/2 Black and 1/2 White. If he or you want to call him a black American that's fine but since he was not born in Africa he is not an African American, only ignorant people call blacks that are born in the US African Americans.

I guess you could say his father is African, but that sounds silly. Why say African in the first place, we know where in Africa he is is from. It would like me not saying English and saying European.
25

Big Boydie,

26/02/2008 03:55:31
Can i ask you guys who you will be voting for in Novemeber?

I live in Scotland but following the Campaign with great interest and find my vote would be going to Obama if i lived over there, he really inspires me when i listen to him. In the same way he is filling out arena after arena.

He certainly is eating into all HRC demographics, I feel the young vote will be very important he is awakening the younger voters and making them sit up and notice, and wesconsin was the a white wash we knew was going to happen. I think Texas and Ohio then Pennsylvania will follow and Obama will beat little angry John McCain in novemeber unless Huckabee can perfom a Miracle lolol, just my opinion.

Another question wot do you make of Bill Oreily and Sean the asshole Hannity??? I really would burn these guys at the stake vampires blood sucking vampires who do more harm than good FOX News Fair and Balanced my Assssssss!!!
26

Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 26/02/2008 03:57:31
Why would he put those clothes on in the first place? He at the time was a US Senator, he has no business as a self proclaimed Christian to put that garb on.

Why would Christian ladies who visit Muslim Countries on behalf of our Government cover their heads? Do they have no business doing that? How about GW wearing a Chinese Robe on his recent visit to the far East? Isn't he also a self proclaimed Christian?
27

Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 26/02/2008 04:06:41
#17 Carolyn

If there was actionable intelligence that could possibly catch OBL - I gather you'd prefer he wouldn't if Musharraf objected?
28

Sensor,

All Over 26/02/2008 04:08:02
"SHOCKING evidence of US Democrat presidential hopeful Barack Obama's hidden Islamic sympathies – or a final, dirty, trick by the floundering campaign of Hillary Clinton?"

Why would being sympathetic to a much maligned (and bombed) faith be 'hidden' and why would such evidence be regarded as 'shocking'?

Because the US and UK media has spewed out anti Muslim news in order to lend some justification for bombing oil rich lands.
29

Big Boydie,

26/02/2008 04:22:54
The rhetoric coming out of the Clinton camp is nothing short of shocking. Is she actually trying to ailenate her self from the electorate even more than she has all ready done. She is hollow and as deep as a puddle.

Her insincere approach is glaring obvious for all to see. I find her untrustworthy and still part of the old washington regime!!!
30

Julian.,

edinburgh 26/02/2008 04:28:04
Landman # 24,

Actually, according to wikipedia "African Americans or Black Americans are citizens or residents of the United States who have origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa"

Also, according to every news report I've ever watched Americans born in the USA but who have African ancestry are always referred to as African Americans.

So, unless these sources are all wrong then, I'm afraid you are:-)
31

Julian.,

edinburgh 26/02/2008 04:32:11
Big Boydie # 29

You and a lot of others seem to be jumping to conclusions without any evidence. It hasn't been proven yet whether this came from the Clinon camp and, even if it had, there's nothing to say HRC knew anything about it.
32

Big Boydie,

26/02/2008 04:59:05
31 Do you really believe that cmon divisive springs to mind!!
33

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26/02/2008 05:11:29
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34

Jimbu,

Alice Springs 26/02/2008 05:54:49
What next? Obama bin Laden???
35

Julian.,

edinburgh 26/02/2008 06:00:12
Nancy # 33,

I never said Wikipedia was the gospel. That's why I mentioned other sources. If you want other examples try the BBC, ABC, CNN etc. etc.

I have heard of being politically correct and wrong, which is what you are trying to be. 99% of the population understands an African American to be someone like Obama, but you are trying to dispute it on a technicality.
36

Julian.,

edinburgh 26/02/2008 06:06:07
#32,

If you wanted me to put money on it I would plump for a leak from the Clinton camp but Hilary didn't know about it.

The point is though we don't really know at this stage. It's all the usual presumptive cr@p that comes out on these forums stated as if it were the gospel that bugs me,

Eg.

#29 "Is she actually trying to ailenate her self from the electorate"

#1 "Pathetic. Might it be because Hillary is getting worried now"

to quote 2 examples.

37

Trade-wind,

OHIO USA 26/02/2008 06:09:57
Well tell you what. Ohio will probably go to Obama early March. If you think this is dirty wait. Democrats can sling mud better with the best of them. Dirty politics has always been an art practiced most sincerly
by Democrats. Today both Hillary and Obama are telling people what they think they want to hear most. It was the war two months ago. However, the LIBERAL media has changed the focus to the economy, because it has always been said people vote their pocket book. So Both are now telling people how bad it is and how they have plans to fix it. Any body out there think it can be fixed? OR, will the economy be what it is until it works its way through this housing crap. Both are hyping
plans that nobody ever sees. Further, who has to give them permission to change it. Congress thats who! Will they not likely since they can't get anything else done.
I think if you believe all of the promises that come out of any politicians mouth you are a sucker. Plenty of them around just now, and the proof will be seen come November.
38

Trade-wind,

OHIO USA 26/02/2008 06:14:44
CONT:
Just one more thing. Only one really important thing a President does. Appoint Justices to the Supream Court. There were three expected vacancies
when Old Al ran for Pres. That's why the big chad fight when GWB won in 2000. George got to appoint two and the third has yet to be appointed. Now you have some idea why they want it so bad. The leaning of the Court is now far to conservative to suit LIBERALS now, and they want to appoint that third justice. I hope like hell they don't get to. In the last fifty years they have nearly ruined this country, and if it gets any more liberal we might just as well lay down our guns and surrender to the next attacker. Democrats wouldn't defend it. I can just hear it. Well listen, if you promise not to do that again we will forget it ever happened. But if you do we are putting you on notice right now. We won't like you any more. So there....
39

Davemmmm,

26/02/2008 06:19:06
#4 - is there a problem with all those who claim to be Irish-American then too? I recall at least 2 former presidents who were quite proud of those roots... I actually agree with your point that it should be nationality, and that's all - but there does seem to be a substantial part of your melting pot population that likes to hark back to their immigrant roots. And is it so wrong? If it helps people feel a sense of kinship within a vast mixed populace, then fine. If on the other hand it fosters voluntary segregation - not so fine. But people always find some group to associate themselves with - be it class, sport or ethnicity associated. Face it - we are tribal.
40

Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/02/2008 06:27:10
A "net-blanke" become US Pres ? shock horror,they couldnae hae that !
After all this is the country who elected a half-wit like Dubya, not once but twice !
Cheers dudes from the country that elected Bambi Bliar THRICE !
41

57Nomad,

california 26/02/2008 06:55:55
#22 gc

gc said:

57Nomad,
california

Hey Dude u are obsessed by Saul Alinsky. This is the second or third U made ref to SA relating to HRC.
So what she wrote a thesis on SA. Young students write thesis about all kinds of people and things.
Things ..."Dark matter"
People.... "Hitler"
Dude u seem to have a very short fuze . Why is that dude.
Did u miss out somewhere on U journey along life's line.
Chill Dude
U biological clock like mine, is ticking away to oblivion.

As to Alinsky, here are two answers. The first and most obvious is that you were careless in reading my post and the post I referenced. A previous poster had named Hillary's thesis subject incorrectly, innocently enough, and I was calling his attention to it. I think that 'obsession' is a little melodramatic.

The second answer, and the one that I favor is; Yeah? What's it to you? In all fairness I have to say that I did learn something from your post today that I hadn't known before:

"So what she wrote a thesis on SA. Young students write thesis about all kinds of people and things.
Things ..."Dark matter"
People.... "Hitler"

Now let me get this straight. During the course of their education students are required to write papers on various subjects. Is this a special case or is this statement generalizable? Are you coming on to this forum, this international arena of ideas, and telling us with absolute certainty that college students write papers? GC, you are one bold and creative thinker.

I don't have a short fuse. You just think I do because that's what I want you to think. GC not only do you know nothing about life's journey you don't even know what it means. You are a child. You think like a child, you write like a child, you are selfish and self centered like a child. You are in no position to be lecturing another human being on anything.

As to the clock, we may have a hint of common ground. I don't know how much of this will fit:

Ticking away the moment
42

57Nomad,

california 26/02/2008 06:57:33
#42 contd

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an off hand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way

Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun

And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but its sinking
And racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in the relative way, but youre older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death
43

57Nomad,

california 26/02/2008 06:58:52
#43 contd

Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the english way
The time is gone, the song is over, thought Id something more to say

Home, home again
I like to be here when I can
And when I come home cold and tired
Its good to warm my bones beside the fire
Far away across the field
The tolling of the iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spells.
44

Fabius Maximus,

26/02/2008 06:59:58
A plague on both their houses. Butr one of them will win, and for me, Clinton is marginally preferable because her ideas on health care, education, and old age pensions are more universal, needs driven, and eqitable.
As to the costume - well, if Obama's elected, I think we'll see that the smoke and mirrors are the precursors of the Emperor's new clothes.
45

ex katman 2,

26/02/2008 07:33:55
Fact not Fiction.
Abe Lincoln was elected to congress in 1846.
John F Kennedy was elected to congress in 1946.
Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
Kennedy was elected President in 1960.
Both were directly concerned with civil rights for black people.
Both their wives lost their children while living in the White House.
Both Presidents were shot in the head from behind and had their wives with them at the time.
Both Presidents were shot on a Friday and both had been given warnings.
Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln.
Both were assassinated by Southerners in their twenties.
John Wilkes Booth was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1939.
Both names are composed of 15 letters.
Lincoln was shot in a theatre named "Ford".
Kennedy was shot in a car called"Lincoln" made by Ford.
Lincoln was shot in a theatre and his assassin hid in a warehouse.
Kennedy was shot from a warehouse and his assassin hid in a threatre.
Booth and Oswald were both shot before they could be tried.
Lincon and Kennedy were succeeded by their Vice Presidents who were Southerners named Johnson.
Andrew Johnson who succeeded Lincoln was born in 1808.
Lydon Johnson who succeeded Kennedy was born in 1908.
A week before Lincoln was shot. he was in Monroe,Maryland.
A week before Kennedy was shot,he allegedly had a close connecton with Marilyn Monroe!
All true and factual.
46

Conan the Librarian™,

Waiting for bits of space debris. 26/02/2008 07:39:24
42 43 44
Pink Floyd and orbital ballistics, I'm impressed ;-)
47

conservative,

Fife 26/02/2008 07:44:44
Why don't you Yankee a**holes slink off back to your own rotten moneygrabbing warmongering country. This is the SCOTSman not another platform for your whinging attempts to speak English.
48

Number 6,

Germany 26/02/2008 07:46:45
This story was carried by the BBC this morning, in their report they showed the Obama pic, followed by one of a grinning (What else) George Bush in full African regalia on his recent visit to the continent.
It then showed a picture of HILARY covered up to the neck and wearing a HEADSCARF as she met some visiting Saudis at the WHITEHOUSE. CNN was leading with a story about a concert in North Korea. Maybe they were embarressed I don't know. This has not worked in any of the successive states where Obama has won convincingly, is this all this dreadfull hypocrite has?
I think she is a real low-life. Also, her mocking of his speaking skills was cheap and again, embarrassing to watch. Is she so thick that she doesn't realise the people she is ridiculing for voting for Obama, are the very same people she needs to vote for her if heaven forbid, she somehow gets the nomination.

I await the next debate with interest, he needs to go after her ref her support for the occupation of Iraq , and the muted attack on Iran. She remained a staunch supporter , right up to the Democratic Nomination campaign begun, suddenly she is anti-war. It's this kind of two faced behaviour that shows she has no principals.
49

Red Tower,

Dunoon 26/02/2008 07:50:51
#9 George Bush dressed up as a Top Gun hero on the deck of an American aircraft carrier to declare the "end" of his illegal war on Iraq but that didn't make him anything else but what he was/is, a cowardly draft-dodger.
50

ziz,

Manchester UK 26/02/2008 08:02:35
1. Ralph Nader declares
2. Dodgy pic finds it's way into Matt Drudges in tray
51

Scottie,

South Africa 26/02/2008 08:03:03
I'm sure I've seen photos of Prince Charles with an American Indian headdress, and various tropical island national dress, Diana, the late Princess of Wales wore modest clothes when visiting the Middle East etc. Does this mean that Prince Charles is an American or an native American and that Diana was either Asian or a Moslem?

Ridiculous!
52

Scottie,

Newlands 26/02/2008 08:04:59
4# I haven't heard anyone calling someone else 'half-caste' for a long long time, it'd be very insulting.

How do you describe the remaining 'native Americans'?
53

Scottie,

Newlands 26/02/2008 08:06:52
11# Is every single person living in Somalia a Moslem? National wear in African countries is mroe often traditional, and not religious.
54

Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh 26/02/2008 08:09:40
Would anyone give Hillary one?
55

Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife News 26/02/2008 08:11:02
H'mmm, Bill Clinton is the guy who was prepared to let an innocent person go to prison, rather than tell the truth about his infidelity, and of course Hillary stood by him.....

Just the sort of leader nobody needs!
56

Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh 26/02/2008 08:16:51
Overhead the albatross
Hangs motionless upon the air
And deep beneath the rolling waves
In labyrinths of coral caves
An echo of a distant time
Comes willowing across the sand
And everything is green and submarine.
And no one SHOWED us to the land
And no one knows the where's or why's.
Something stirs and something tries
AND starts to climb toward the light.
Strangers passing in the street
By chance two separate glances meet
And I am you and what I see is me.
And do I take you by the hand
And lead you through the land
And help me understand
The best I can.
And no one callS US TO MOVE ON
And no one FORCES DOWN OUR EYES
No one speaks and no one tries
No one flies around the sun....
CLOUNDLESS everyday you fall
Upon my waking eyes,
Inviting and inciting me
To rise.
And through the window in the wall
Come streaming in on sunlight wings
A million bright ambassadors of morning.
And no one sings me lulabyes
And no one makes me close my eyes
So I throw the windows wide
And call to you across the sky....
57

Gusto,

26/02/2008 08:20:40
If he ever was a muslim, it should be easy enough to find out. If he is not - why not?
If he was, he will be for the rest of his life - its a lifelong subscription.
58

KitWilding,

England 26/02/2008 08:24:48
Booring!
59

paulr,

edinburgh 26/02/2008 08:25:46
He probably got one of his own staff to send it and pretend they were from hillary's mob.
You know the saying, no publicity is bad publicity.
60

El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 26/02/2008 08:28:48
This means that John McCain will be the next presideent of the USA
61

Number 6,

Germany 26/02/2008 08:36:39
Maybe Obama should highlight the 20 million dollars
the Clinton's are about to make with the winding up
of buisness ties to Yucaipa Cos, part owned by:

Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum. (WSJ jan22 2008)

Or Bill's assistance to mining financier Frank Giustra
in securing lucrative uranium deals with the Dictatorship in Kazakhstan. (NYT, Jan31 2008).Shortly
before Giustra made an unreported $31.3 million dollar
"donation" to Bill's "Foundation".
The Clinton's are also said to be nervous about the spotlight being turned on their business dealings over the last 7 years especially if Bush, like his father, allows the Secret Services to dig for dirt.
62

Silence of the Yams,

26/02/2008 08:49:51
McCain is now a shoe in!!!! All hail the cheif!
63

onecoleslaw,

mid town 26/02/2008 09:10:42
So should we assume that if Obama appearing in Somali national dress means he is an islamic sympathiser then photos of President Bush's recent tour of the middle east mean he is a closet gay? (he was pictured holding hands with various male heads of state, as is custom in those areas)
64

Gothic Rose,

26/02/2008 09:12:10
So, it`s GC. for President, is it? Yippee I aye.!!!
65

Sibylle,

Germany 26/02/2008 09:13:28
If this picture is part of a Clinton mud campaign, I don't even see where the mud is. Every public person would politely have accepted this welcome gesture, let alone a person whose roots are in the country he is visiting. US-Americans swamp Europe in search of their roots donning traditional Bavarian costumes and swaying beer tanks (that in particular); Scotland probably makes a fortune from exporting kilts, sporrans, bagpipes to the US, every christian male invited to a synagogue puts on a kippah. There surely must be pictures showing Bill Clinton on a state visit in some traditional non-American garb. WHAT KIND OF US-AMERICAN COULD TAKE OFFENSE WHEN LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE?
66

Number 6,

Germany 26/02/2008 09:25:57
Sibylle (Guten Morgen), see post 49.
67

Flash67,

Edinburgh 26/02/2008 09:27:20
The fact that this is an issue AT ALL would have your 'founding fathers' spinning in their graves... so much for the principal of free choice of religion. In the US, you have NO chance of election if you are anything but a professed christian.... moral values be damned!
68

faithfulskeptic,

Upper Nostril 26/02/2008 09:28:57
My photographic memory is fading. The picture - - is it a National Lampoon cover from the '70's, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan, in the ring, doing the WWF Smackdown thing? D*mn!

A shame the papers never run any stories about Dennis Kuchinich, 'cause he's still in the race. But then, he's off the billboards for tonight's match, and if both Hilary & Barack were suddenly whisked out of the ring by aliens from Uranus, for thorough examination elsewhere, I expect the press focus would still partly be on McCain and otherwise off the planet.


69

Silence of the Yams,

26/02/2008 09:32:24
69. The founding fathers would be spinning in their graves if a Mecca leaning individual got elected. I can gaurantee that.
70

WKKB,

26/02/2008 09:47:49
#7 your information is incorrect, Obama Jr was born in Honolulu Hawaii his father Obama Sr was born in Kenya. If Jr had been born in Kenya, even with an American mother, he would ne be allowed to run for President. Now... having said that, here's a thought... I'm not saying that Obama Jr is a threat to America BUT... If you had asked any of the infamous pilots flying planes on 9/11 if they were a threat to the American public would they have said "Of course I am"? Oh how I wish Romney were still running. I'm just not sure McCain has it in him to beat the not so funny Hilary/Obama comedy duo but one this is for sure... If another Clinton makes it into the White House America is SCREWED!

and just to reiterate what #57 so brilliantly noted: "H'mmm, Bill Clinton is the guy who was prepared to let an innocent person go to prison, rather than tell the truth about his infidelity, and of course Hillary stood by him....."

71

WKKB,

26/02/2008 09:49:20
one more thought... if someone from Kenya travels to America, unless they wear suits in their daily affairs anyway they don't usually don the US style of clothing. How many colourful photos have we seen of visiting dignitaries in their traditional dress?
72

WKKB,

Edinburgh 26/02/2008 09:53:15
#48, yes this is the SCOTSman but the story is about the UNITED STATES Presidential Election. Every American who wants to comment on the American Election in my opinion may do so where ever the story is being printed. The Scots certainly have enough to say about it!
73

Yane,

26/02/2008 09:59:26
Is it a real photie? He looks a wee bit like a paper doll.
74

jdships,

Trinity 26/02/2008 10:02:52
What a "three ringed circus" "
Everything Hilary Clinton does is a means to the end of putting her in the White House. She is utterly without scruple.

Bottom line is
Who would want to vote for Monica Lewinski's boyfriend's husband anyway ?
75

jdships,

Trinity 26/02/2008 10:04:51
What a "three ringed circus" "
Everything Hilary Clinton does is a means to the end of putting her in the White House. She is utterly without scruple.

Bottom line is
Who would want to vote for Monica Lewinski's boyfriend's wife anyway ?


Sorry about that - yet another "senior moment " !!
76

Graeme JW Smith,

Newport, RI USA 26/02/2008 10:28:10
Lamentably slow though USA News Organizations are in the USA. This story is NOT being asked across the US. I first heard it on the BBC World Service on Monday and was it here on Tuesday but it never made the main evening news on any national TV station I watched in the USA Mon night.

Last night's emphasis in the Obama / Hilary story was each side commenting on substantive issues in each other's campaigns and it becoming clear that Hilary has her gloves off in going after Obama's record in some areas - including her perceived lack of his political experience. The picture never got a mention.

Scotsman (and the BBC Worls Service) - sure the picture and story is out there. Is it THIS important - nope. Not even close.
77

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 26/02/2008 10:43:21
#33

"They are just Americans that happen to be black that can claim African ancestry".

....Actually, everyone black or white is descended from Africa. So EVERY American can claim to be an American with African ancestry.

http://www.acdis.uiuc.edu/research/S&Ps/2001-Sp/S&P_XIII/Singer.htm
78

Spamhead,

Bathgate 26/02/2008 10:51:16
The mud slinging is only handing the gig to McCain. But every piece of bad press Obama gets his spin doctors turn it around and blame the Clinton camp of leaking it? Yet if these so caled indescressions never existed then.....? However this photo does look innnocent enough, but it will sway the voters into McCains camp rather than Clintons, thats why i dont beleive that her people could be so stupid?

#7 wearing a Kilt is not a religious thing rather a national thing so you would be quite welcome to wear it, there is no difference than me coming over to the states and wearing a cowboy hat and boots appart from the whole brokeback mountain look is not my thing?

#72 correct otherwise big Arnie would be running and would win a bit to easy?
79

Hemingway,

Ayr 26/02/2008 10:52:27
35 Julian.,edinburgh

Time to give up, you are wrong.
80

shivago8,

livingston 26/02/2008 10:52:27
If he gets in ,all you white boy,s will be working in the cotton fields.
81

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 26/02/2008 11:22:57
#50

"George Bush dressed up as a Top Gun hero on the deck of an American aircraft carrier to declare the "end" of his illegal war on Iraq but that didn't make him anything else but what he was/is, a cowardly draft-dodger".

.....How many times must you be reminded George Bush saw active service during the Vietnam war defending the Gulf of Mexico from Ho Chi Minh?
82

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 26/02/2008 11:24:42
Hello All,

What can I say, except most of you Scots and Europeans haven't a clue as to how our system works. Neither have you a clue as to Americans' views about the politics of what is ongoing in our political process.

The bottom line is that Obama has so far, produced ZERO specificity and 100% hyperbole!

Hillary is as amoral a politician as can currently be found, however, she IS correct on this point: that Obama is great at giving speeches, great at providing generalities, but VERY short on specifics and working models of his policies.

He's a one term Senator of little merit, having produced virtually zero legislation of any positive value. He's too inexperienced to be President of the USA, but the Lemmings of the American Electorate will put him in 1600 Penn. Ave.

He will destroy the US in the short term, compared to Hillary being savvy enough to destroy it in the long term.

McCain is reasonably honest, but totally worthless as meeting the needs of America during the next 4 years, and no other Republican meets the needs either, to be Presidenet.

Basically, those running for President do NOT have the necessary skills to actually be President.

We in America are screwed, no matter who becomes President.

Obama will strip the US law enforcement system of the tools it needs to protect us from the Jihadists: they'll hit our major cities within the first 2 years of his presidency.

Hillary would do the same thing, but because she knows how the power structure of the Presidency works, she could cause MUCH more harm to our political system than Obama, and end up getting a lot more Americans killed.

McCain doesn't have a clue about what is need to keep America safe, because he's still mired in his Vietnam years.

Cheers from the Rockies
83

AJ Fife,

26/02/2008 11:25:57
Surely Team Obama can dig up some juicy photos of auld Hilary. Given Bill Clinton's track record, there must be a few fruity old polaroids of Hilary kicking aboot!

Fight fire with fire......
84

AJ Fife,

26/02/2008 11:29:13
Oops,

There's two l's in Hillary!
85

Axel Heidsmann,

Doha 26/02/2008 11:32:28
Thank you, 39. I wondered when somebody would bring the Irish-Americans into it. Barry O'Bama is for 'change we can believe in'. Mrs Clinton is for beliefs she can change later.
86

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 26/02/2008 11:39:03
Neanderthal:

...."We in America are screwed, no matter who becomes President".

...Why then to you protest so much when those of a non-American background point that out?
87

Spamhead,

Bathgate 26/02/2008 11:54:17
#85 we understand enough! and i at least agree with you on most points, however: "Obama is great at giving speeches, great at providing generalities, but VERY short on specifics and working models of his policies." This is because the inner sanctum who are financing him have not yet made known their policies until after he gets in? Obama will be no more than a puppet Prez. Then we will see backers like Oprah (I have had a hard life as it's hard to bring up a family being a fat minority when you only have $3.2 billion dollars in the bank) turning very quicky on him!

So #85 Neanderthal who do you want to win (or loose the least?)

Then again an emergency amendment to you constitution to allow adopted americans to allow Big Arnie in?
88

Spamhead,

Bathgate 26/02/2008 11:59:10
You want a Scottish American as Prez: Baz McBama or Barra o'bampot, Then again do you want McCain (son of Cain) is he Able? who would Adam & Eve it?
89

Number 6,

Germany 26/02/2008 12:08:26
Can Anyone tell me what Clinton's substance filled policies are?I believe her much discussed Health Care Plan failed to pass. Has she made radical changes or has
she simply re-packaged it? Is she due to take the stand yet in the LA case?
90

Boswall,

26/02/2008 12:23:51
Many of the comments posted here are rather naive.

You don't get anywhere in any level of politics without having a ruthless streak in you. Spend 5 minutes in the company of any party involved in our little parliament and you'll realise that.

Hillary's been around a good bit longer than Obama and her political manoeuvrings are well documented - but the other side of that is that Obama is almost certainly just as devious, he's just got better PR at present.

At a time of diminishing global stability it makes sense to me to go for the person with the strongest experience, that person being Hillary. Nothing wrong with having Obama as VP and letting him have a crack at the big job in 8 years.
91

moonie518,

ohio 26/02/2008 12:40:28
Why is there such an uproar over a man that also celebrates his African Heritage? Just because he chose to run for president does not make him a threat to America.
Hillary's people are apparently worried that he is a threat to her winning because he has won 11 contests since this started. Had he been an American born Asian running for president, would that make a difference? What if it were an American born Latino? So what if he choses to embrace his roots? Aren't White Americans embracing their roots? Sure they are, and there is nothing wrong with that.
I think it is shameful that the Clinton camp would stoop to such depths to try to discredit a man, no matter what his color or his religious beliefs or his embracing of his roots.
Barack Obama is an American born African American with good solid ideas and I for one would love to see him get in office. I personally feel that we have had enough of the Clintons in the White House.
92

Inverie,

Toronto 26/02/2008 12:40:32
Too bad that blacks get a pass because the press is so afraid of being called racist that they don't ask him any tough questions or examine his background. Women, on the other hand, are fair game. Never has there been such an unfair handling of candidates by the media as this run.
93

Amparo de Glasgow,

26/02/2008 12:50:07
Nahh ...
... a Muslim President
... will wake our complacent
... North American cousins up ...!!

If he wins.

Canada will soon fill up
... as everybody bails out
... of North America's
... first Muslim Caliphate ehhh??
94

Agricolus the Dwarf Engineer,

26/02/2008 12:56:58
Hey guys, America didn't invent politics! People all over the world do this! We just have Oprah and a lot of TV's.

Obama has personality - that's what this has become - a cult of personality. Don't ask me how GW got in there - perhaps because Kerry and Gore almost have negative personalities. GW was the right person for the right job in the right time, for a short amount of time. Hillary, Barack, John McCain would have cowered in a corner for the last three years of their term if they were in the seat in 2001. Since then, hey, what can I say? Voted for GW twice, but only because of the Democratic vacuum.

Barack can wear anything he wants, shouldn't make any difference to me. I'd be surprised if he didn't come up with a picture of Hillary and k.d.lang. That would dirt up the big show real quickly.

Until they come up with really solid dirt on McCain, I'll have to weigh the quality and quantity of the dirt and smear and make my decision on who's best for America - or not vote for who's worst. It's politcs - enjoy it!
95

Number 6,

Germany 26/02/2008 13:38:51
#97 George of Crawford won first time round by getting the Supreme Court in Washington to overturn the decision taken in Florida's Supreme Court, that all ballots cast in Florida must be counted. He actually
got them to stop counting. Since then, the ballots have been counted on numerous occasions, and each time, Gore comes out on top , by a mile. Did you not know that?.

For a day by day account of how the presidency was stolen, go to www.The Consortiumnews.com. It may just shock you to the core.
96

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta 26/02/2008 13:40:59
44
57Nomad,
california

hey Dude,

Thanks for a part of ur post ,it made pleasent reading . And I mean that dude.

Other parts, I consign to the literate TC.

I am off to the Loan Star State to visit UT in Austin

Adios Dude,
GC
97

The Midwest,

USA 26/02/2008 14:02:10
There goes Clinton again, pandering to the vast majority of subconcious American racists.

It's pathetic - look around on the comment sections of most major websites with stories about Obama, and you'll read things like:

"We aren't ready for a black president" and "His middle name is Hussein, so he HAS to be muslim, right?"

Are Americans really this stupid? Yes, and they will continue to be. I apologize to the rest of the world when McCain gets elected, goes on a PTSD fit, and bombs 15 countries in one day. America's image is set to suffer for at least another 4 years.

98

The Midwest,

USA 26/02/2008 14:04:19
Oh, whoever said it was wrong for Obama, as a Christian, to wear NATIVE KENYAN CLOTHING, you are an ignorant moron and do not deserve to vote. It is the diplomatic thing to do to dress in native clothing when you visit. You can find plenty of pictures of Bush doing the same thing.

You are a racist, just like everyone else against Obama.
99

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26/02/2008 14:24:14
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100

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26/02/2008 14:25:42
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101

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 26/02/2008 14:26:32
100 101 Racist?? please pass comment on the mission statement from OBAMA' S own church .....

http://www.tucc.org/scholarship_pdf/black%20value%20system.pdf
102

WI in GA,

At my desk 26/02/2008 14:27:35
Why all this focus on the Democratic candidates? After all this, most likely a Republican will win anyway. America just isn't ready for a minority (black or female) prez!
103

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 26/02/2008 14:28:15
If in 104 I put the word "white" where "black" was I would be arrested!!
104

Number 6,

Germany 26/02/2008 14:34:05
I will repeat, BBC news published a picture this morning, showing Clinton wearing traditional MUSLIM
head-dress to greet visiting Saudis. I hope Obama has this picture as a Gigantic backdrop to his next public appearance.

Does anyone see as a sign of weakness, Clinton's crying
during the campaign. If the pressure is getting to her now, what would she be like as "Commander in Chief" during a war? Just a thought.
105

Black Beard,

26/02/2008 14:46:34
Most excellent. I love watching Hussein Obama showing his true colors.
106

Reading Public 1,

Wisc 26/02/2008 14:51:39
He really looks pretty silly.
107

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 26/02/2008 14:57:04
109 he does and that native dress makes him look worse
108

Number 6,

Germany 26/02/2008 15:02:43
#102 Bush did not complete his flying training, he went "missing". Among the plethora of excuses he has given was that the jet he was training on was taken out of service. This claim was firmly denied by the Head of the National Guard at the time (Can't recall his name at the moment)who maintains the aircraft in question remained in service for another 18 months.


Still, that's par for the course for these people. Did you know your VP Dick Cheney managed to score 5, yes thats FIVE draft excemptions during his time ?.
109

AJ Fife,

26/02/2008 15:04:10
Lord Killwillie#103,

The eye colour thing is a sure sign of a Shape Shifter, who are known to have infiltrated American politics. So what happened to the real Hillary, and is it no wonder Bill always looks worried?



110

George.,

26/02/2008 15:05:39
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

Scroll down to "Obama photo in turban, robe causes stir"

and check some more worrying photo's
111

Julian.,

edinburgh 26/02/2008 15:21:11
#56 Helmut

Probably
112

Thorne,

Scotland 26/02/2008 15:51:50
The poem is so good and true to life that i stopped in my tracks Helmut I hope you are in print.
I hope Obama wins it is the wind of change the last time it happened in America John F Kennedy took the Americian crown.
113

Sandi,

San Diego 26/02/2008 15:56:11
Hillary Clinton's campaign has absolutely denied releasing this picture and even nobody there even saw the email it purportedly came from. They think the whole thing is ridiculous. When Hillary was First Lady, she travelled the world on behalf of her husband and on many occasions dressed up in the national dress of the country. All politicians do this when they visit countries that have different dress like this. It's not a big deal

However, if you want to know who did put it out, my guess would be either Republicans, who scored a "twofer"-hit Obama, whose campaign then attacked Hillary. Or, Obama's campaign itself. His campaign has been very negative for over a year, but whenever they insult Hillary personally or misrepresent her policy stand on the major issues,, the media just piles on. Now that Hillary is finally, belatedly, responding to the attacks from the Obmama campaign, she is portrayed as the attacker.

Hillary, while possessing some warts like every politician on the face of the earth, is much more knowledgeable and able, IMO, to be president. Here is an article about Obama that says it all:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/obamas_appeal_depends_on_your.html


114

Sandi,

San Diego 26/02/2008 15:57:32
Oh, the link is too long, sorry. Here it is in a tinyurl:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3yk6tc

115

The Traveler,

Philadelphia PA 26/02/2008 15:58:32
When I was in Dubai, I bought an abayah, complete with head scarf. Love the look (decorated beautifully) and the comfort. Didn't need to worry about what I was wearing underneath. To some of the boobs posting their juvenile opinions, that would make me a fellow traveler of Muslims. Problem is, I'm a Jew-completely immersed,educated and steadfast in my faith. When I travel to Muslim countries, I cover my arms and legs and dress respectfully so that I portray the United States as a society that recognizes the culture of the rest of the world. Some of you seem to suggest that as an American, I should insult every other society to show what a wonderful American I am. My problem is that I also think the Scots and Brits are marvelous and I respect their history, use of language and culture. I especially like the endless whinging-sounds just like Americans. Must be that special bond everybody talks about. Relax-you only get one go-around on this planet.
116

Pontificatus Maximus of Avignon,

26/02/2008 16:23:39
Zzzzzzzzzzz, Zzzzzzzzzzzz, so who gives a sh*t about who becomes the next president of the planet's chief warmongers? Zzzzzzzzzzzzz, Zzzzzzzzzzzzz, yawn, yawn!
If Mr O'Bampot has a penchant for dressing up why is that of any concern?
117

mollysg,

PA, USA 26/02/2008 16:28:37
#41 & 61 are right.
#57 is a lunatic, so there’s no reason to reiterate what he says unless you too are a lunatic.
#70 in simply incorrect, Kucinich bailed a month ago or more.
#84: WHAT??? He did not see active service, you are confusing him with his father or a dream you had, he was even shielded from disciplinary action when he failed to report to his final stint in Texas Air National Guard duty.
#92: she has indeed made substantive changes.
Unfortunately #93 is totally right.
Same for #98, but heaven forefend anyone speak that truth.
Ok #101, if you can claim everyone who doesn’t support Obama is a racist; do I get to say that everyone that fails to support Hillary is a sexist male chauvinist pig?
Let’s not forget that it was Matt Drudge who claimed that Hillary’s campaign sent the photo, & Drudge’s website went up 10 years ago so that Drudge could put as much vile baloney into circulation during the retarded Lewinsky scandal as he wanted. The day Matt Drudge fact-checks anything will be the day hell freezes over. The man is a far more despicable liar than Bill or Hillary Clinton put together ever were. Hillary Clinton is far too experienced a politician to resort to anything that would backfire that badly. Obama, on the other hand, has shown himself to be such a political naïf with such a rabid and destructive following that I regret that I can believe that one of his own people gave Drudge the pic, though Drudge certainly could have generated the entire mess all on his own.
118

57Nomad,

california 26/02/2008 16:37:50
#30 Julian

Julian said:

"Also, according to every news report I've ever watched Americans born in the USA but who have African ancestry are always referred to as African Americans.
So, unless these sources are all wrong then, I'm afraid you are:-)"

Ok, well then I'm afraid the gentleman you are responding to is correct, you are mistaken. You say, "unless these sources are all wrong then, I'm afraid you are:-)." You should never rely on something like this. It doesn't make a bit of difference how many sources say something, that has no effect whatsoever on whether or not it is so. White liberals, in the never ending quest to not be white, coined the term "african-american." It doesn't matter what Wiki says. It it used because it keeps the Libs from having to use a term like, 'colored,' or Black, or, God Forbid, Negro. Black Americans, among themselves, do not use the term.

Unable to use these terms for fear of sounding like the are, ahhh, ummm, well, you know, white, they came up with this hyphenated turkey. They did the same thing with, " Native American." American Indians only use the term NA when speaking to white libs. They refer to themselves either as, "American Indians," or by their tribal name, e.g., Hopi Nation. They are smart enough to know that every single individual born in America is a native American by definition.



119

57Nomad,

california 26/02/2008 17:13:01
# 98 number six

number six said:

"#97 George of Crawford won first time round by getting the Supreme Court in Washington to overturn the decision taken in Florida's Supreme Court, that all ballots cast in Florida must be counted. He actually
got them to stop counting. Since then, the ballots have been counted on numerous occasions, and each time, Gore comes out on top , by a mile. Did you not know that?."


Number six, you are wrong in every single thing you've said. You understand nothing of the American system of government. For starters, the President can not be, "getting the Supreme Court in Washington to overturn the decision taken in Florida's Supreme Court" or anything else.

The Supreme Court is in a completely separate branch of Government and the Executive cannot under any circumstances get the SCOTUS to do ANYTHING. Are you clear on that? I don't think so.

Then, you have it completely backwards as far as counting ballots. The Dems, backed up by the Florida Supreme Court, wanted only those precincts counted where they felt they had an advantage, plus, they wanted to proscribe the counting of ballots FROM ANY OTHER PRECINCTS including military absentee ballots. That's who wanted to limit the counting, the Dems and the SCOF.

The United States Supreme Court found this to be unfair and stated that if any of the precincts got recounted then all the precincts got recounted. They couldn't cherry pick.

As to your last statement, "Since then, the ballots have been counted on numerous occasions, and each time, Gore comes out on top , by a mile. Did you not know that?" Nobody knows that because it isn't true. There is not one single recount anywhere that shows Gore carrying Florida. Where did you read these fairy tales anyway?
120

Sisi,

USA 26/02/2008 17:51:21
It would be very interesting if in the world of politics "The Prince" were employed...i.e., if the Obama "camp" publicized the photo in order to have the exact effect as all the comments above...
121

Sandi,

San Diego 26/02/2008 18:02:51
#122 57Nomad

There were nine separate recounts of the Florida vote and Gore came out on top in six of them.
122

MichScot,

USA 26/02/2008 18:31:11
What IF...Obama is doing this because it will look like Hillary did it?
123

Phillip,

26/02/2008 18:52:04
My personal suspicion is that this photo was leake to the Drudge Report by someone from the Obama campaign to make Clinton look bad.

If you compare the two candidates on substance instead of style, Clinton wins.

Quite frankly, Obama scares me. He has no specifics and seems to believe that everything will turn out well simply because he's such a likeable person. He is creating a cult-of-personality around himself and even the media has fallen for it.

George Bush has damaged the constitution repeatedly because he believes that God leads him. How much more will Obama damage the framework of US democracy because he believes that he can do no wrong?

If Obama gets elected, any resistance to his changes will be attributed to racism. Mark my words, he will quickly pull even more power into the White House than GW ever did. He will also soon campaign for an amendment to repeal the presidential term limits. He will use charges of racism to shield his machinations from scrutiny. When it is all done, the US will have President-for-Life Obama.

Any politician who attempts to create a cult of personality around him or herself should be immediately disqualified from office.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/02/2008 19:10:39
57 - well done Nomad in quoting Roger Waters. A more appropriate Waters song for this thread world be "The Fletcher Memorial Home".
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mike - across the pond,

ah number 6 26/02/2008 19:23:08
once again you spew garbage as "fact"

W flew F102's in the Texas National Guard from 68-72. was he a GOOD pilot??? well landings = takeoffs... gravity jokes aside.... so I guess that means he managed to find the ground every time he found the sky... now here is the tricky part: there were NO f102's flying in vietnam in the later stages of that war, and if he wasnt qualified for F4's (the plane that WAS in vietnam) then it wouldnt take a genuis to figure out why he didnt get an assignment... but there are LOTS of people who want to be a fighter jockey but dont "make the cut" somewhere along the line.

was there "influence" in his being in the national guard to start with?... daddy was in the house of representatives... daddy was in WW2
grandpa was in WW1... was an investment banker... had been a two TERM representative from connecticut in the late 50's... could there have been influence there... yeah but no more than albore's daddy had for him....

W transferred to the alabama NG in 72 to work on a republican senate campaign... and was discharged from the texas NG in october '73 (vietnam war 'ended' january of 73)

what you apparently FAIL to realize is that he made it as a pilot...

what you appear to be pissy about is that he had more opportunities than you (or me)... (BOO FRIGGIN HOOO... get OVER it)
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john z,

edinburgh 26/02/2008 19:33:44
You know, Hilary has done Obama a favour. When he wins the democratic nomination, I do not doubt that fox republican propoganda news would dig it up. As it is, it's out there now, and the muppets at fox republican propoganda news won't be able to get so much mileage from it, come the actual election campaign.

Hilary does seem to be getting dirty. It doesn't become her.
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john z,

edinburgh 26/02/2008 19:35:38
Mind you, just about anybody would be better than the republican George dubbya- I'm thick as ten lavvie seats-Bush.
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john z,

edinburgh 26/02/2008 19:43:16
No.85

QUOTE: "What can I say, except most of you Scots and Europeans haven't a clue as to how our system works. Neither have you a clue as to Americans' views about the politics of what is ongoing in our political process."

Scots and Europeans are probably more clued up than you, as we are not subjected to the fox republican propoganda machine 24/7, and actually have REAL journalists over here, not just republican muppets. The name O'Reilly springs to mind.
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Retired Nurse,

MidWest 26/02/2008 19:44:52
I see a lot of attack on HRC. Did anyone think that perhaps Obama's camp leaked the photo to do just that? Did anyone think that perhaps the Republican party wants Obama to win so that McCain can shred him in seconds? Perhaps we should think outside the box and see there is more to the fight than Obama and Hillary.
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Tobytoo,

Southington, U.S.A. 26/02/2008 20:00:27
#48 I do NOT see any statement at the top of this Comment form that say's ONLY people living in SCOTLAND
can enter a comment.
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mike - across the pond,

sandy.... 26/02/2008 20:00:31
oh sandy....

recounts in Florida mean NOTHING... ZIP... ZERO... NADA... NARY...
but I'll humor you anyway...
please cite the recounts you reference...

this SHOULD be good, because as I remember the ballots were physically counted ONE addtitional time, then sealed in an effort to preserve them (every time you handle those paper ballots they deteriorate)... to the best of MY knowledge they were not recounted NINE additional times as you stated..

after that, lets LOOK at what was done...

you are pissy about the supreme court getting involved... please tell me why ballots from one precinct should be counted (recounted, counted again, and counted yet a third time... not to mention the "9-additional times").... but the ballots from another precinct should only be counted ONCE (or maybe "9 additional times")... shouldnt they ALL be treated the same... ALL be given the opportunity to be "counted correctly"? THAT is what the supreme court ruled on.... (7-2 on the grounds of "equal protection under the law" as I remember) do you disagree with this?

oh and yes, they ALSO ruled that the AlBore must play by the rules in place when the election happened... specifically that AlBore (or his minions) had 10 days to request recounts, and that by early december 2000 when they ruled those 10 days had long since expired... (5-4) hows about THIS ruling... is there a problem here? THIS is where the AlBorons lost the election... remember how quiet the GOP side got when (on about day 7 or so) AlBore's minion proudly stated how "If the GOP wants all the rest of Florida counted, they can pay for it themselves"... remember that? gee even an idiot like me knew right then and there that the DNC had lost it... game over... no more quibbling it was done... the ONLY chance they had was if the Supreme court let the DNC go back and pay for an entire state-wide recount... and 5-4 the Supreme court said "nope, THOSE are the rules, your time ran
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Tris,

26/02/2008 20:08:21
~17 "I know Clinton's plans, programs, foreign policy, etc. I've got nothing to tell you about Obama except he's some kind of a new messianic event, wants to leave Iraq immediately, move into Pakistan and he supports the Palestinians."

All seems quite reasonable. They are making a mess in Iraq, they need to get out, as do their idiots poodles Brown and co. Going into Pakistan will be dodgy, but let's be honest that's where what DubYa call "the bad guys" are. And what on earth is wrong with supporting the democratcially elected government of Palastine?

Mrs Clinton and Mr Clinton, for if you vote for one you will get them both, are nothing if not brazen... Look at Bill's brass neck over the Monica business. He stood firm, and refused to give in right up to impeachment. Not many would do that. They are, to put it mildly, very ambitious and single minded people. Somehow she reminds me of the witch Thatcher.

God spare the world from another disaster like that.

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right of center,

Chicago 26/02/2008 20:10:39
84 Let's have the truth,Queensland AKA a Hater

The Hater Wrote ""George Bush dressed up as a Top Gun hero on the deck of an American aircraft carrier to declare the "end" of his illegal war on Iraq but that didn't make him anything else but what he was/is, a cowardly draft-dodger".

It takes courage to become a Fighter Jock, more so than writing a letter to the draft bored saying you loathe the military and fear for your life as Clinton did. Even if you don't get the privilege to see combat, flight school is grueling and dangerous.

Something you haters forget is that the President is also the Commander in Chief of the Military and has every right to wear an A-2 Jacket like several have, or Bush wearing a flight suit as is required to wear in such an aircraft.

You ever wonder why Clinton never flew in a fighter when he was Commander in Chief? Because he was always worried about his image and did not want the front page of every newspaper showing him getting out of a jet with vomit all over his flight suit. Yes, even pot smoking draft dodging cowards like Clinton who never wore our nations uniform can become Commander in Chief and wear A-2's and other types of Military jackets but I don't recall you complaining about that.
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Tris,

26/02/2008 20:14:20
~85 Oh dear.... looks like you are kinda goosed.

Never mind, it can't be worse than the idiot you got at the moment. At least all of them have got a sentence or two they can string together, and I doubt any of them will be able to find a VP as incredibly evil, greedy and self serving as the current incumbant.

Nope. Things can only get better... even with McCain and Lord Huckabee the Creationist.
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Charlie10,

North Billerica 26/02/2008 20:34:23
To me he is the only person I know that can talk for hours and say nothing .
He would make a good stand in for Gunga Din.????
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Trade-wind,

OHIO USA 26/02/2008 20:41:16
I don't know why I do it but I can't help myself.
EuroLiberals love the democratic party in the states.
Why? because they think a person should be able to do any thing they want, any time they want, to anyone they want, without consequences. They don't want to take responcibility for their actions, nor do they want to to be held responcible for what they cause to happen.
This is where the love affair starts. Our Democrats are nothing less Socialists and will admit it most of the time... Socialism is nothing more than failed Communism. Or, the other way round. Our Democrats like the open sexual mores (love not war was just a vailed excuse to get into the pants of every girl in the states, and it worked) Thanks to them we have big social problem that didn't exist 50 years ago. We have moved to far in that direction and need desperately to pull back. But, thats another story. Here we are looking at an election that may take us on that path again to an open and far left liberal society. It may not be the end of us but it will hasten our demise.
The liberal press can make the public do anything by continually repeating false or inaccurate information. Like Dan Rather tried but was exposed. They have the power to make kings and wield it dangeriously. They will be responcible for who win or loses in this election not me or you. Scotland one day I hope to come home. Please get our house in order and quit making a mockery of our great past, with a not so sterling present.
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Charlie10,

North Billerica 26/02/2008 21:06:52
#139 Trade winds Ohio USA.
You hit the nail on the head.I agree with you 100%



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mollysg,

PA, US 26/02/2008 21:15:08
Actually Charlie10, Trade-wind squarely hit his thumb. I am so sick of hearing the ultra-right extremists whining & whinging about “the liberal press”, it makes me want to puke. THERE IS NO SUCH THING. Dan Rather did nothing as egregious as what Fox News does all day long.
Maybe I’d have the inclination make an attempt to respect Trade-wind’s opinion if he at least demonstrated a third grade ability to spell.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/02/2008 21:26:42
128 - he might have made it as a pilot but he's been a p*ss-poor prez.
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The Fly Fifer,

Fife 26/02/2008 21:28:50
B.H.Obama is a congregant and supporter of a church which has as its aims the following,

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

Is that racist??

put iit to the White test ........ IE replace Black with White and see if it passes the test
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2dogs in D.C.,

26/02/2008 21:29:09
Cry,Hillary,and let loose the dogs of inuendo.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/02/2008 21:32:17
136 - hail to the chief(tain) of the puddin race.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/02/2008 21:34:12
139 - workers rule ya bass !
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/02/2008 21:35:56
FF 143 - Jesus wants 'em for sunbeams !

Jesus saves but Fletcher scores the rebound !
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Conan,

Chile 26/02/2008 21:36:01
Barack Hussein Obama - smoke and mirrors for the many who survive on smoke and mirrors. So far he is a triumph of style over substance. No more, no less.
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Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 26/02/2008 22:06:43
I think, that this is an attempt by the Obama campaign to get a damaging picture into the open and smear his opponent.

Still its up to the democrats, vote Obama get McCaain.
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Conan the Librarian™,

26/02/2008 22:22:56
144
Hi 2dogs, where've you been?
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57Nomad,

california 26/02/2008 22:55:07
#141 Msg

Msg said:

"I am so sick of hearing the ultra-right extremists whining & whinging about “the liberal press”, it makes me want to puke. THERE IS NO SUCH THING. Dan Rather did nothing as egregious as what Fox News does all day long."

Sheesh! I am so sick of hearing the leftoid crybabies complaining and blubbering about Fox News. The press in American is so overwhelmingly 'liberal' that they no longer make any attempt to disguise their bias. The only national news service worthy of the name is Fox News. Of course, the left hates them because the left is not too enchanted with free speech. The only point of view they want broadcast is theirs. When they don't get their way all they do is cry, like Molly here.

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Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/02/2008 23:01:41
151 - Fox News, owned by an Aussie soft-porn merchant.
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57Nomad,

california 26/02/2008 23:03:27
#124 sandi

sandi said:


"There were nine separate recounts of the Florida vote and Gore came out on top in six of them."

I'm sorry Sandi but that is not even close to being true. First of all, in order to do a recount, you must have access to all of the ballots. In order to get the ballots a court must order it. You can check how many times recounts were made with the actual ballots because in every case a great deal of trouble had to be gone to in order to obtain them. There were not nine separate recounts. In the recounts that were made withe the actual ballots, Gore lost every single time.





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57Nomad,

california 26/02/2008 23:09:36
#152 Pils

Your rebuttal is an ad hominem attack on the owner of Fox. This is your contribution to the debate? In the future try to remember this simple formula. If you care to slag someone, please, try to first isolate the idea or position with which you disagree and rebut it. Having done so you may then feel free to heap the personal abuse on the poster to your hearts content. If, as you have done, one simply launches directly into the character assassination, readers get the impression that you lack subject knowledge. It makes you look weak.
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John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 26/02/2008 23:17:16
#143 The Fly Fifer: In the United States, African-American organizations - including churches - are allowed freedoms of speech that caucasian organizations are not. It's seen, by some, as a freedom enjoyed by minorities.

More to your point, try replacing the word 'black' with 'muslim' and see if it applies to Britain.
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57Nomad,

california 26/02/2008 23:21:08
#131 John Z

John Z said:

"Scots and Europeans are probably more clued up than you, as we are not subjected to the fox republican propoganda machine 24/7, and actually have REAL journalists over here, not just republican muppets"

I'm not so sure about that John Z. I'll tell you why. In the States we have four national television news services. Each one is independent of the other and all of them are completely free from any imput or control by the government. Furthermore every city has local television and radio stations everyone of which has it's own news department. BBC is available everywhere on PBS. There are thousands of independent newspapers.

Americans have a MUCH wider spectrum of news and analysis available to them than Europeans. How many independent television news services do you have besides BBC and its affiliates? If anyone is being fed propaganda it's you Europeans. Of course, being the birthplace of Goebbels, it may be something that you have acquired a taste for, like eating eels.
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2dogs in D.C.,

27/02/2008 00:01:19
Hi back at youConan the Lib. 'Puter was busted for a long bit, somewhat better now. I could read but not post.Frustrating, that was :0 Hope all is well.
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2dogs in D.C.,

27/02/2008 00:18:28
#158-Funny you should say that-I am a gardner, and refuse to run for public office. Anyway, my sympathy in reguards to your lack of optumism.
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mollysg,

PA, USA 27/02/2008 00:26:48
Gee, looks like I really hit a nerve when I picked on somebody’s fave Valentine, Fox News. I hope they love ya back, Buddy.
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Yane,

27/02/2008 00:50:34
#156 The Japanese love eels.
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57Nomad,

california 27/02/2008 01:27:43
#160 Msg

Msg said:

"Gee, looks like I really hit a nerve when I picked on somebody’s fave Valentine, Fox News. I hope they love ya back, Buddy."

Wow! Are you the same Molly who wrote this?

""I am so sick of hearing the ultra-right extremists whining & whinging about “the liberal press”, it makes me want to puke. THERE IS NO SUCH THING.Dan Rather did nothing as egregious as what Fox News does all day long."

Well, well, well, it seems that Fox News struck a nerve with someone. How 'bout it, Puking Molly, do the words, "Fox News" really make you sick? Because thats what you said. Having said that, don't you think it to be a little strange you to be speculating that someone else had got a nerve twinged? You'd be the expert on that for sure, but I think, Physician Heal Thyself is the phrase that comes to mind.

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glaswegian at heart,

florida 27/02/2008 01:40:21
ANYONE WHO TAKES DRUDGE'S WORD AS TRUTH IS JUST AS GULLIBLE AS THE REPUBLICAN MUCK RAKERS HIS NAME SHOULD BE DREDGE
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mollysg,

Anger-management class 27/02/2008 02:06:04
Uh huh…I made an anti Fox News statement and oh look, somebody went completely mental.
So, Mr. Somebody, re-read that statement until what I ACTUALLY said sinks in. I didn’t say “Fox News makes me want to puke”. I said "I am so sick of hearing the ultra-right extremists whining & whinging about “the liberal press”, it makes me want to puke…”
So yes, I was angry and a big fat old meany, because clearly I was saying that certain PEOPLE make me want to vomit. People who take the word of Fox News as gospel. It is not.

I stand by my original statement, and the statement about the nerve I hit. You love Fox News so much, well that’s fine. I bet you love Ann Coulter too.
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Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 27/02/2008 02:25:03
Basically, those running for President do NOT have the necessary skills to actually be President
We in America are screwed, no matter who becomes President.
#57 I would feel less screwed with Obama than either Hillary or McCain as I think he would put a much better Cabinet to advise him than the other 2. Can you imagine Lieberman as Secretary of Defense under McCain??
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 27/02/2008 06:39:33
154 - chill it dude/gadgy. I'm stating a fact, the guy is a soft-porn merchant. His most notable contribution to the UK is the Sun with it's page 3 "topless lovelies".
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 27/02/2008 06:41:16
I had to use the phrase "topless lovelies" cos the straight-laced admin wouldn't let me write "n*des"

All the n*des that dinnae fit !
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 27/02/2008 06:43:21
Molly 167 - they're probably employees of "Rupe" and think the sun shines oot of his *rse.

The Sun - not fit to wrap chips up in !
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Trade-wind,

OHIO USA 27/02/2008 07:24:45
# 141 Molly you wouldn't respect anything, your a liberal. My spelling may suffer but you got the point didn't you and it got your ire up. Poor liberals want it both ways. Why don't you feel sorry for me. Maybe I have a learning disability, and here you are making fun of me. That isn't the liberal way is it. Shouldn't I be able to spell any way I want as long as you liberals get the point. Poor old Dan Rather liberaled himself right out of the spotlight didn't he. Please cry for him some more I'm sure it will make him feel better.
Molly I didn't hit my thumb I hit yours and it hurt didn't it. If it wasn't true you would have just let it pass. And about FOX I have never watched it, but you must be a glutten for punishment because apparently you DO! Please let me know if I mispell anything. I don't have time to spell check I'm to worried about the rate of crime in my country, because of liberals leaving all the criminals lose to reoffend. We certainly can't punish people for acts against society.



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Trade-wind,

OHIO USA 27/02/2008 07:34:53
cont.
They were probably molested as children, and if they were it was probably by a liberal. Are you whining yet Molly? I am far from being a ultra-right extremists. I am a 61 year old father of 4 who has been married to the same woman for 42 years next month. I have had to watch your kind destroy my USA since JFK and his Camelot crowd in the sixties, while he played house with M. Monroe. Thirty years later I get to watch it all over again with Bill Clinton and M. lawinski (check my spelling dear I'm not sure thats right). These are your kind, so be upset all you want dear, its your right.
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Scottie,

South Africa 27/02/2008 07:42:10
156# "Americans have a MUCH wider spectrum of news and analysis available to them than Europeans."

How much of this "MUCH wider spectrum" do they watch? Which are the most popular TV programmes in the USA?
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Silence of the Yams,

27/02/2008 08:51:29
Regardles of whether he's a secret Muslim, masking his allegiance to further the cause of Mohammed, Obama's admitted 'Christian' church: 'the trinity united church of Christ' lol! is an obscure, racist, anti semite, Afrocentric cult. In short, he's a religious freak.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 27/02/2008 09:17:32
#156
57 Nomad

"Americans have a MUCH wider spectrum of news and analysis available to them than Europeans".

.....With access to almost everyone on the planet to pretty much all news sources and analysis from everywhere by way of the internet, that statement is an unbelievably naive statement.
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57Nomad,

california 27/02/2008 10:34:18
#174 LHTT

LHTT said:

"..With access to almost everyone on the planet to pretty much all news sources and analysis from everywhere by way of the internet, that statement is an unbelievably naive statement."

Really? I see. Then you disagree with the poster that I was responding to:

#131 John Z

"Scots and Europeans are probably more clued up than you, as we are not subjected to the fox republican propoganda machine 24/7, and actually have REAL journalists over here, not just republican muppets."


Well? Do you agree with this poster? Do you think that, 'Scots and Europeans are more clued up'? Just wondering. If you believe in what you are saying then you must disagree with the notion that Americans are underinformed, don't you?

The fact remains that Europeans get their broadcast news from state run television and radio programs. To think that a person could listen to BBC or any other state organ and think that they are not subject to the government line is an "unbelievably naive statement."

America invented freedom of the press and we are pretty acute listeners. We've heard it all. That's why we never bought into the socialist delusion. That's why we never bought into the 'universal health care' delusion, that's why we never bought into the 'nanny state.' You may comfort yourselves into thinking that you are all kind of swift and cool, you're not. Just look at the wording of the posts on this subject. You are repeaters of ridiculous mantras and pathetic slogans that were already tired in 1930. YOU ALL SOUND JUST ALIKE. That's because you are all getting the same news from the same biased sources.

You are being led around by the nose and the reason that you allow it is because you fear the condemnation of the crowd. You don't dare voice a dissenting opinion for fear of being singled out for ridicule.

Being liked, being popular, well thought of is fine and dandy. Is it anything to base ones actions on? Absolutely not. Kowtowing t
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Number 6,

Germany 27/02/2008 11:53:57
Those posters who keep claiming Obama has no policies, no vision , no experience etc clearly make no attempt to find out what he stands for. Try "Googling" his name,
there you will find transcripts of his speeches and lectures. If you take the time to read them (And you should), you will find he has a clear vision, and has not been sat on his hands doing nothing. This is a very active politician, who has introduced his fair share of bills. Talking of his experience, or lack of it, is a red herring. As has been pointed out on numerous occassions, experience does not, and has never,guaranteed competence or good judgement. Read the transcripts of Clinton trying to justify her decision to vote for war. It highlights her ignorance
and shows her lack of judgement.

There is more to this man than meets the eye and I urge all Americans to get to know him and stop dismissing him out of hand. I see he is leading on all
3 CNN polls in the run-up to Ohio and Texas.
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Let's have the truth,

27/02/2008 11:59:38
#175 57 Nomad

I'm afraid you are overreacting again. Your diatribe bears no relation to the post I made in connection with your claim.

I haven't read any post to which you disagree. The item to which I do disagree is yours, which is:

"Americans have a MUCH wider spectrum of news and analysis available to them than Europeans".

Europeans have AS MUCH access to news and analysis as Americans. So does anyone else on the planet with unhindered access to the internet.

Maybe you are unaware of what is available outside the US. Spending time outside commenting on "The Scotsman" stories might broaden your mind.


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Number 6,

Germany 27/02/2008 13:17:49
#122 I get my "Fairy Tales" from www.The Consortiumnews.com. I have recommended this site on
numerous occasions but I am prepared to wager you have been nowhere near it. Everything I said is true, go read for yourself. It's a fantastic, day by day study of how the election was stolen. Brilliantly researched, run by ex US Goverment intelligence experts
and ex CIA field officers. A conspiracy site it is not. I urge all Americans, especially YOU, to at least
look at what they have to say. Why are you so afraid?
is it more comfortable in your little "Hear no evil See no evil" world?. Show some moral courage man, you owe it to yourself
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Number 6,

Germany 27/02/2008 14:01:49
134 MIKE , go to the above web-site. click on the article "SO Bush did steal the Whitehouse". With respect, I think you will find a more comprehensive
explaination of how it went. With Quotes from the JUDGES involved.
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motherload,

montana use 27/02/2008 16:27:42
ohhhhh the goats eat oats and lambs eat oats and little lambs eat ivy i'd eat ivy too wouldn't you!
translation:the republican goats eat democratic oats and the democratic lambs eat republican oats and the little democratic and republican children eats whatever is fed them then throw it up on you and i... sorry state of affairs that!
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 27/02/2008 17:18:20
whoever posted in #'s 9 & 11 is impersonating me. I haven't posted on Scotsman for weeks.

who cares if Obama wore a costume? he was being nice to his hosts. it means nothing but that. it is good to be nice to your hosts.

the people who rule us keep our minds & tongues busy with silly gossip. and meanwhile great evil is carried out by the government while our people are kept ignorant of it. then we are told we are 'anti-american' if we don't support the government.

here's a nice article about Obama written by conservative Paul Craig Roberts.

http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts02232008.html
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57Nomad,

california 27/02/2008 18:07:36
#177

LHTT said:

"I'm afraid you are overreacting again. Your diatribe bears no relation to the post I made in connection with your claim. Europeans have AS MUCH access to news and analysis as Americans. So does anyone else on the planet with unhindered access to the internet."

Excuse me, we may be talking across each other instead of to each other. If you will read the post to which I first referred you will find the following in post #131:

"Scots and Europeans are probably more clued up than you, as we are not subjected to the fox republican propoganda machine 24/7, and actually have REAL journalists over here, not just republican muppets."

This is the post to which I referred. Do you see what the poster said, Europeans are more 'clued up' than Americans because of superior access to news and 'real' reporters? My question to you is this; do you agree or disagree with the posters claim? It's simple and I can't see why you are avoiding the question. Remember, you were the one who was commenting on my post so the burden of persuasion lies with you. So, kindly answer, and leave out the 'diatribe' business. You are the one whose post is not apropos to the subject at hand, not mine.




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ProfH,

USA 28/02/2008 01:47:42
I'm fairly appalled at the cheap shots being taken on forum this evening. I read the Scotsman for a different perspective on the news and I especially look forward to reading the forums. In general, the anti-American sentiment has been muted. On behalf of the American readers of the Scotsman, some of whom I'm sure share my desire to broaden their perspectives, I'd like to thank the posters who have welcomed us as "guests" of the forum and have engaged in intellectual debate. Though some Americans are undoubtably ignorant, at least the ones who take time out of their day to read the Scotsman are demonstrating an interest beyond the scope of our national borders. I would think such interest would be commended, not rebuffed. That being said, I'd like to encourage my fellow American posters to keep their commments "above board." We truly are guests on this forum and should behave ourselves accordingly, lest we perpetuate our own dismal American stereotypes.

There seems to be little need to bicker across the posts, as we've got enough bickering going on in the campaign anyhow.
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By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 28/02/2008 04:02:42
#185 Night Worker

I do not know where you get your information but I assure you I'm not being influenced by anyone. There are serious security issues here when someone can impersonate another poster and delete innocent posts.
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South Africa 29/02/2008 07:21:03
Probably too late now but I'll give it a go anyway :)

26# I'm not sure what your first paragraph means. Even Christian heads of countries often put on the national (it's not religious) dress of other countries at times.

40# Pilrig, I think you mean 'nie-blanke', not net-blanke, they're virtually complete opposites of each other.

99# LOL, which is the "Loan" Star state?

 

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