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Mumbai killers to be denied a muslim burial



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Published Date: 01 December 2008
A MUSLIM graveyard today refused to bury nine of the gunmen who terrorised Mumbai.
The men were not true followers of the Islamic faith, according to the influential Muslim Jama Masjid Trust, which runs the 7.5-acre Badakabrastan graveyard in central Mumbai.

"People who committed this heinous crime cannot be called Muslim," said Hanif Nalkhande, a trustee. "Islam does not permit this sort of barbaric crime."

Ten gunmen laid siege to India's financial capital. One was captured and the rest killed.

The bodies of the nine now lie in a morgue awaiting last rites, while the lone surviving militant is in police custody.

Normally, unclaimed bodies thought to be Muslims are given to the nearest Muslim graveyard for burial after three days, leaving police unsure what to do now.

Police do not believe anyone will claim the gunmen's corpses since they are thought to be from Pakistan.

"The gunmen must be buried because we are bound to see that their last rites are performed according to the religion they follow," said Jain Sirmukadam, a senior police inspector. "We have heard the trust's decision. We are considering what to do now."

There are seven other Muslim graveyards in Mumbai, but the Jama Masjid's influence means none of the others are likely to accept the bodies.

While Nalkhande said several Islamic scholars had backed the trust's decision, some also criticised the move.

Even militants must be given a proper burial, said scholar Maulauna Zubair Ahmed.

"As per the Shariah, the trust cannot say no," he said, referring to Islamic law. "The Shariah says whether a Muslim is a drunkard, rapist, criminal, you must offer him a place for burial."

Indian authorities say the captured gunman said he was trained at a camp in Pakistan run by the militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba. Authorities in Pakistan have denied this.

The full article contains 315 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 01 December 2008 1:04 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Indian terrorist attacks
 
1

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 01/12/2008 13:46:45
Isn't this what Civic Amenity Waste Sites are for. And please make sure they are buried upside down too.
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01/12/2008 13:48:24
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 01/12/2008 14:03:19
I do hope the one surviving terrorist is "debriefed" in the fullest way possible and then hung.
4

P. Lee,

01/12/2008 14:28:17
It looks like they must be cremated instead
5

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 01/12/2008 14:44:38
#5 tidy idea. Maybe they could dismember the terrorists and sell the body parts on ebay (in formaldehyde) and put the money into a charity to help the families of the victims they butchered.
6

An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 01/12/2008 14:47:47
#5 ExpatNI

The fear of not going to heaven is the biggest concern for the Islamists. It is after all non more than a death cult.
7

Bele's bane,

Scotland 01/12/2008 14:49:34
Perhaps burying them with a severed pig's head would enhance the deterent effect of refusing to afford them a Muslim burial!
8

Stefan,

NYC 01/12/2008 14:55:54
They should be fed to animals at the zoo
9

It's life but not as we know it,

The oort Clouds 01/12/2008 15:09:05
Have you all noticed how deafening the silence of the Muslim community has been since these attacks?
10

Bemused and above it all,

01/12/2008 17:26:04
Feed them to animals at a zoo or feed them to pigs?
Burn them, Wrap them in Pigs Skins, wash the bodies with pigs urine!
Really rational debating skills on display today...
11

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 01/12/2008 17:54:52
#12 if you were really "above it all" you wouldn't have commented would you?
12

An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 01/12/2008 18:03:42
Mainstream media coverage of these rampaging, cold-blooded murderous acts of jihad terrorism -- perpetrated by a self-professed "mujahideen" organization (i.e., "The Deccan Mujahideen") -- consistently ignored the clear ideological linkage to Islam. Simply put, "mujahideen" are Muslim jihadists, "holy warriors," because there is just one historically relevant meaning of jihad, despite present day apologetics.
The root of the word jihad appears 40 times in the Koran and in subsequent Islamic understanding to both Muslim luminaries -- from the greatest jurists and scholars of classical Islam, to ordinary people -- meant and means "he fought, warred or waged war against unbelievers and the like." As described by the seminal mid-19th century Arabic lexicographer E.W Lane, "Jihad came to be used by the Muslims to signify wag[ing] war, against unbelievers." A contemporary definition, relevant to both modern jihadism and its shock troop "mujahideen" was provided at the Fourth International Conference of the Academy of Islamic Research at Al Azhar University, Cairo -- Islam's most important religious educational institution -- in 1968, by Muhammad al-Sobki:

...the words Al Jihad, Al Mojahadah, or even "striving against enemies" are equivalents and they do not mean especially fighting with the atheists...they mean fighting in the general sense...
Contemporary validation of the central principle of jihad terrorism -- rooted in the Koran -- (for example, verses 8:12, 8:60, and 33:26), i.e., to terrorize the enemies of the Muslims as a prelude to their conquest, has been provided in the mainstream Pakistani text on jihad warfare by Brigadier S.K. Malik, originally published in Lahore, in 1979. Malik's treatise was endorsed in a laudatory Foreword to the book by his patron, then Pakistani President Zia-ul-Haq, as well as a more extended Preface by Allah Buksh K. Brohi, a former Advocate-General of Pakistan.
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01/12/2008 18:09:54
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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 01/12/2008 18:13:25
Islam is concerned with the question of jihad and the drafting and the mobilisation of the entire Umma {the global Muslim community} into one body to defend the right cause with all its strength than any other ancient or modern system of living, whether religious or civil. The verses of the Qur'an and the Sunnah of Muhammad (PBUH {Peace Be Unto Him}) are overflowing with all these noble ideals and they summon people in general (with the most eloquent expression and the clearest exposition) to jihad, to warfare, to the armed forces, and all means of land and sea fighting.


Here Al-Banna offers citations from the Quran and the reliable hadiths that demonstrate the necessity of combat for Muslims.


www.jihadwatch.com contains so much information that main stream media will not publish. Then check it against independent sources.





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mike - across the pond,

better yet 01/12/2008 18:38:57
bury them in a vat of pig-fat....

would that be too much?
16

An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 01/12/2008 18:39:36
And before you start labeling me a Racist, etc. Islam is not a race but a political/military ideology.

Pacifists want to be right but watch the news Islam killing daily around the world all for the same cause.

"Everyone is to be Islamic or Dead"
17

long live the supermarkets,

every little hurts 01/12/2008 18:40:51
The quicker they are incinerated the better it will save god a job!!!
18

Finnking,

Lempäälä 01/12/2008 18:42:50
Ah, yes. The peaceful, loving reactions above from the predominately Christian west. All of the comments above demonstrate the type of hatred and ignorance that the posters themselves accuse the killers of.

Do you all also suggest that captured/killed in action US/'uk' troops be treated in the same manner? They too have been involved in the senseless slaughter of civilians, so, by your feral logic they should be placed in land fill, cut up into bits etc etc etc.

Feral responses from the blood thirsty Christian west; full of hate and ignorance and devoid of any self reflection.

An Greumach Mor must work for Israeli/Giyus groups. No rational person would sit on these threads spewing out the drivel he/she does. No doubt a Christian, he/she should take a look at the Bible for truly horrific passages.To quote Jihadwatch is simply insulting to those of us with a functioning brain. Who runs that site, AGM? The peace loving Zionists?
19

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 01/12/2008 19:16:07
Has Islamic Shariah "Law" now superceded the law of the land of India?

We in Ontario banned Sharia courts years ago because they are divisive, undemocratic, and treat women horrendously.

Cremate the vile body and unceremoniously dump its ashes in one of Mumbai's largest garbage heaps for the vultures and crows and other vermin to keep these malodorous remains company.
20

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 01/12/2008 19:23:10
I was thinking in the singular rather than the plural. Sorrrrry.

Dump the vile ashes of those affronts to humankind in one of Mumbai's largest "raw-sewage" sewers and those vermin will be in their natural element.

And let the Muslim community foot the bill for any way they finally decide to rid planet Earth of these monstrosities.
21

harvey05,

eh 01/12/2008 19:29:10
I think religion should be banned. It causes far too many arguments. OK, or do you want a fight now!
22

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 01/12/2008 19:54:18
Perhaps they shouldn't allow comment on stories like this, as it brings out all the ignoramuses and psychos.

If you don't have anything intelligent or relevant to say you should keep it zipped.
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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 01/12/2008 20:22:17
#20 Finnking

"Do you all also suggest that captured/killed in action US/'uk' troops be treated in the same manner? They too have been involved in the senseless slaughter of civilians, so, by your feral logic they should be placed in land fill, cut up into bits etc etc etc."

If I recall correctly this is how they treat all captured prisoners whether military or not.

Why not accept the facts seeking to kill women and children is a particularly Islamic method of warfare recently. In fact other than during the last 150 years it was the way your lot have always behaved. I assume you have read your history.

I have no need for religion and where possible leave other people to their own but Islam has really irritated me lately. So I started reading and the more I read the more disgusted I became at the ideology.

Islam is a very poor example of world religion. A very good example of how to control an uneducated backward people under total control daily.
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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 01/12/2008 20:35:00
#20 Finnking

Remember this and head it well.

Islam wishes to destroy the west and our culture by terrorist attrocities and insurgency within our own borders to bring about a world dominated by Islam and all persons having to submit to the daftness of Muhammed.

Islamic fighters no power or real military might. Boys with explosives and AK47's kill some but we are also many and very strong. There is not a single muslim army that can could fight a decent battle against the west. Saddam's might was crushed in days. Elite Republican Guard?

Anyway you are trying to destroy us while we are trying to educate and bring you from the darkness into the light of reason. However if we change our minds and decide that our childrens children are best served by Islam and Muslims being a historical concept then you can be damn sure the power to achieve this already rests within our hands.

In a couple of months the middle east could be flattened. The question is whether your people will wisen up in time to join the human race or whether you will disapear in a flash of light.

Do something big enough, a terrorist extravaganza and you will see that we too can commit terrible crimes. The USA does not lose much sleep over Hiroshima.

We will lose even less sleep over Pakistan.

What you fail to grasp is we are trying to win the hearts and minds but our troops are very well trained to destroy the hearts and minds if needed.
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Observer. 1,

01/12/2008 21:07:02
''An uneducated backward people''

Your ignorance is astonishing.

''Islam wishes to destroy the west and our culture''

Your ignorance is beyond astonishing.

''In a couiple of months the middle east could be flattened''

You are a retard.

''The USA does not lose much sleep over Hiroshima''

You have the moral compass of a table leg.

''We too can commit terrible crimes.....We will lose even less sleep over Pakistan''.

You are a delusional halfwit.
26

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 01/12/2008 21:09:20
Make that a delusional no-wit.
27

D-945,

01/12/2008 21:20:25
#17 mike - across the pond

You beat me to it!!!
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james 1st,

hamilton nz 01/12/2008 22:23:54
i believe that their bodies should be disposed of with no ceremony, they took away other peoples human rights and deserve none themselves
i believe too that it is most unlikely that there would have been any official involvement/ knowledge of the pakistan government so india and pakistan should work together to solve this
pakistan should now accept assistance from the usa, russia ,china ,europe and asia , including troops, to wage a full scale war on terrorists using pakistani territory to train or as a safe haven
29

Abesaidwhat,

Minnesota 01/12/2008 23:47:55
What would Jesus do.
30

Newton_Invented_Gravity,

02/12/2008 00:01:20
turn the other cheek, I suppose.
31

drunken proffet,

Tassy 02/12/2008 02:25:11
Paganism anyone?
32

Dragonhead,

02/12/2008 03:20:05
#20 An Greumach Mor,Scotland
Absolutely spot on with all your comments on this thread.As for Observer 1? My dear chap,if anyone is delusional it is you. Read the article by Paul E Marek on Extremism. He is a 2nd generation Canadian,living in Saskatoon.
inrepair.net/2008/01/20/why-the-peaceful-majority-is-irrelevant
You are by definition one of the useless ones who are irrelevant.

If burying them without ceremony makes even one of these evil folk think twice, bring it on!
33

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 02/12/2008 04:07:18
The Muslim gentleman who has refused them a Muslim burial is to be congratulated on his stance. Now were the 'silent majority' of muslims take a similar stance,then perhaps their image might undergo a change in the eyes of non-muslims.
Or how soon will it be for the hanky-wringers like Observer 1 and his ilk to condemn him. Of more concern of course would be,how long it will take extremists to kill him?
34

sickpuppy,

here 02/12/2008 12:01:25
surprised britain has,nt given them political asylum
35

Vída Dosa ,

02/12/2008 12:34:41
An Greumach Mor

Bravo. Good post. You say it all.
36

DippyDoDah,

USA 02/12/2008 15:23:38
Good they should be denied ANY burial. Just go dump them in the dessert somewhere.

www.anonweb.eu.tc
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texan_usmc,

texas 02/12/2008 16:55:06
#27, Observer

While i do agree with you that some of these comments are irrational and ignorant. You must understand that just as the actions of a few "westerners" has inflamed the muslim/islamic nation, so the actions of a few muslims has inflamed the western nation.

I do however have issue with these to comments:

''In a couiple of months the middle east could be flattened.

You are a retard."

no sir he is correct, the middle eastern nations could not stand for long if it was decided to turn the whole place into a glass parking lot, I do not support that course of action but neverless it is a true statement.

''The USA does not lose much sleep over Hiroshima.

You have the moral compass of a table leg."

No, the japanese got off easy, had the decision been up to me I would have destroyed the entire island. Unprovoked agression must always be met with a swift and overwhelming response. The japanese "civilian" population was almost completly behind the war effort and the horrible acts committed to and by the japanese military.

Read your history Hiroshima and Nagisaki saved lives, hundreds of thousands of lives likely. Had the Allied forces attempted an amphibious landing and subsequent land assault essentially every japanese civilian would have died, they were armed and willing to fight to the death. The atom bombs shocked them back to reality and lead to japan being the peaceful and prosperous nation it is today.

While this was a tragic loss of life, it was the correct answer to one of the toughest decisions ever made. And trust me very few people in the US lose any sleep over this.

And for the record im not a christian, I do not believe in any religion and honestly I think that organized religion of any kind has been and always will be the most evil thing man has ever created.


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Shamus,

Glasgow 02/12/2008 23:54:00
31# Probably hang about.
39

Not so Silent Majority,

Everywhere 03/12/2008 04:06:31
An Greumach Mor, it is clear that you have constructed a worldview for yourself that enables you to feel good about the place you are in right now, in a supposed fight of good versus evil, and that nothing will change that mindset.

It does bother me that people believe that the vast majority of muslims silently support the actions of these few.

So, as a muslim, let me be clear, I absolutely condemn, in every which way I can, the actions of the gunman in Mumbai and those who sent them there and all those who kill innocent civilians in the name of Islam. It is wrong, and will always be wrong. I suspect, those of you making these blanket statements, if you actually went out and spoke to Muslims, that you would see they feel the same way.

Dont look to the words of Hassan al Banna, look to the words of the scholars that millions upon millions of muslims follow today. See what Tariq Ramadan and Hamza Yusuf have to say about jihad and the actual etiquette Muslims should follow. Dont just read the one verse in the Quran that people point you to, read the entire chapter and think about what it is actually saying. Its easy, in the comfort of your home, surrounded by people who think the exact same way you do, to condemn 1/6th of the world as insidious insurgents fighting against peace. If you actually interacted with even a fragment of these people you would see that they have the same basic goals and ambitions that you do. The challenge of all of the muslims around the world is to make sure that all those who are growing up frustrated with the way their societies are functioning, arent allowed to get ensconced in the snare of those who seek to simply inflict more damage upon the world.

# 10 It's life but not as we know it,

we aren't as silent as you think. All across India muslims are holding prayer services and rallies against those who committed these acts. And by the way, muslims were also among those killed in these attacks, in fact, muslims bear
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Curseddrake,

Bombay 03/12/2008 04:36:26
Came to this site through DIGG; read the many comments and had to put my two bits in. So I registered and here goes:

Im from bombay and had couple of my friends besides a number of aquaintances killed in this attack.

Im an agnostic though born a Christian and the rest of my family are practising Christians.Im still traumatised by whats happened and I have this intense feeling of helpless anger.

Note: A lot of muslims died in the attack. The body count is more than the total of foreigners killed.
Note: The Taj hotel employee who saved 8 Americans abd Brits was a Muslim.
Note: Its not just one man who stopped the terrorists from getting a muslim burial but a whole trust
Note: As this trust is very influential, it is unlikely any other muslim burial ground in and around Bombay will agree to bury them.
Note: All Muslim organisations in India have unequivocally condemmed these attacks. (Cant say the same about the UK as I dont have that info)

What Im trying to say all Muslims arent the same, neither are all Christians or Hindus.....the friend who was shot was neither of these three...he was a Parsee (like Freddie Mercury/Zubin Mehta)

Lets not tar everyone with the same brush.

Last but not the least I hope those bodies NEVER get buried!



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Gillie,

Dubai 03/12/2008 09:40:52
Observer 1, you half baked exscuse for a human, f---k off to any islamic country that your mind set thinks is better, you are a idiot.
42

Black & White Triumph,

Greenhill Road....soon 03/12/2008 14:04:13
I have lived closely with Muslims, seen changes in people who were and are very close to me and always for the worst when it is caused by their increasing adherence to this religion.

These filth who shot up mumbai deserve no consideration whatever, burn their remains so that nothing of them exists.

Its Christmas I give especial thanks for the continuing Western society which is going through an upheaval right now but which will return in strength again.

Islamic countries and their followers wil stay the same, democracy cannot win in these places, tribal chiefs and religious nutters will still be in power whatever.

We need two worlds, one where the muslims can all go and one for the rest of us who in general terms can get on most of the time
43

Concerned3,

04/12/2008 13:42:37
I'm Muslim, and I completely agree with refusing to bury these bastards. They are not muslims, they are terrorists. The community needs to dissociate the name of Islam from these acts, and many others. For too many people, Islam has come to symbolize terrorism and that needs to stop. Terrorists have no religion, and there are terrorists in every religion.

I get very sad when i hear comments such as those of An Greumach Mor. I would say that I am a moderate Muslim, I have many friends who are not of my faith and I will never align myself with murderers and rapists. At the same time, I am sorry that you feel that my community is waging war on the so-called West. It is this attitude, on both parts (Islamic and Western), this idea that we are in a holy or moral war, this us vs them attitude, that is responsible for the so-called clash of civilizations. The failure to see that you have humans beings on both sides driven by politics, economics and the thirst for personal power, can be catastrophic in our nuclear world. grow up and face your xenophobia. What if we judged the entirety of Western civilization based on the fact of colonization and slavery? THAT was war on the world, my friends, and the US, although it came late to the game, did also participate in colonization.

Also,I have alarm bells going on in my head when i hear something like "Anyway you are trying to destroy us while we are trying to educate and bring you from the darkness into the light of reason." Stop panicking, and think for a second. This sounds very much like the white man's burden.

I end with a quote:
Maybe we should develop a Crayola bomb as our next secret weapon. A happiness weapon. A beauty bomb. And every time a crisis developed, we would launch one. It would explode high in the air - explode softly - and send thousands, millions, of little parachutes into the air. Floating down to earth - boxes of Crayolas. And we wouldn't go cheap, either - not little boxes of eigh
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Finlang,

France 05/12/2008 03:00:17
#40 Black & White Triumph

You're right, and most long-suffering idigenous (and other non-aggressive) citizens in the west will agree.

Your last para probably sums up what most of us would desire. But from whom would they get their housing, child, and god-knows how many other benefits? One suggestion is that their indigenous mouthpieces in the west - that is, our erstwhile compatriots - go with them to their happy middle-eastern lands and live it up there. Some hope ...

The worst of these infiltrators despise the west, yet benefit financially and in so many other ways from planting themselves in what is an alien environment.

So ... who are the aliens now?

 

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