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Published Date: 04 August 2008
AFTER weeks of unrelenting smog, the skies above Beijing were clear and blue for the third consecutive day yesterday as visitors to the Olympic Games donned shorts to enjoy the sunshine.
Official pollution levels have stayed low in the host city, while the temperature has risen, bringing good cheer to the steady flow of tourists arriving in China over the weekend.

Only a week ago, the city was overcome by a humid haze, but rainfa
ll and breezes have helped clear the air.

The Beijing Environmental Protection Bureau said air quality was "good" in the 24 hours up to Saturday noon, with the main pollution concern – tiny particulate matter – at what China considers acceptable levels.

Light breezes are also forecast today which will continue to keep pollution in check, ahead of the opening ceremony on Friday.

Though the weather has played its part, so too severe anti-pollution measures introduced by the Chinese authorities have helped clear the blanket of smog – the £9 billion measures include taking half of Beijing's 3.3 million cars off the road and closing down factories in and around the city in recent weeks.

Fan Yuansheng, director general of the department of pollution control at the Environmental Protection Ministry, said China would also probably carry on keeping some government vehicles off Beijing's roads after the Games.

Doubts remain as to conditions for Friday, with some forecasts suggesting thunder and heavy rain will hit the city.

Wang Jianjie, deputy director of the Beijing Meteorological Bureau, said yesterday: "On the 8th, the weather in Beijing will be cloudy and overcast, and we will see some rain showers and thunder showers."

She added: "Good weather has a great deal to do with the natural conditions but whether this can be maintained has a lot to do with our pollution control measures because they also have a lot to do with the improvement."

However, the positive environmental news was offset at the weekend by the revelation that there will be strict rules governing protesters intent on demonstrating at three designated protest parks during the Games.

Chinese nationals must apply to police five days in advance in order to have their message heard, while foreigners are required to submit their application to border authorities in Chinese.

Police must then give an answer at least two days before the planned protest.

Liu Shaowu, security chief for the Beijing Organising Committee, detailed the steps necessary on a statement posted on the official Olympics news website, but warned that China has a broad ban against gatherings deemed "harmful" to national interests.

"Assembling to march and protest is a citizen's right. But it must be stressed that when exercising this right, citizens must respect and not harm others' freedoms and rights, and must not harm national, social, and collective interests," he said.

The protest areas are in public parks several miles from the main Olympic stadium.

Tightened visa checks have prevented or deterred foreign groups like the Committee to Protect Journalists from going to Beijing, although Dream for Darfur said its visa application was pending.

It also emerged yesterday that Nick Clegg, leader of the Liberal Democrats, has written to Gordon Brown, urging him to boycott the Games because of China's "utter failure" to safeguard human rights.

The Prime Minister is due to attend the closing ceremony, but in a letter to him, Mr Clegg said his attendance would be "untenable".

He wrote: "Given the evidence that China has failed to meet the solemn commitments it gave, I believe it is now clear that awarding the Olympic Games to China was a mistake.

China's recent behaviour is a humiliation for the International Olympic Committee, and a salutary reminder to all politicians of the intransigence of the Chinese over human rights and the status of Tibet."





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postmark fifty-fyve,

China, 04/08/2008 00:55:47
The blue skies are great, the rest of the story is just more lies and getting boring.


Go Beijing, we'll show the world that we're the best.
2

Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 01:51:15
Heh, it's only taken this rag what...three days to get around to it?
Hey Posters, are you still feeling quakes up there?
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postmark fifty-fyve,

China, 04/08/2008 01:55:42
Hey Mashimaro,

Nah, still on my honeymoon, the shaking is coming from different things.

Or could it be aftershocks?;)
4

britfreee,

04/08/2008 02:52:00
#1, #2

You know when James Donald and Horrible Cankers wake up the trolls will be deleting your comments!
5

indune1,

Canada 04/08/2008 03:14:06

I'm rather amused that the Chinese authorities have taken such measures to reduce the smog so that China is not embarassed during the Games.

However, once this farce is over, does this mean that the millions of cars and factories will be back in operation? If so, what does this say about the Chinese government's concern about the health of its citizens?

This "Panda Panto" should never have been allowed.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 04:41:56
#5 Indune, it is amusing in a sense. It's a very Chinese way of dealing with things. Everything will be fine because the emperor deemed it so. I even saw the planes going over to spray the clouds and there are artillery batteries stationed outside Beijing to shoot down storms. (Yes, it does work). And you're right at the end of it all, Beijing will be back to its smog.
But on the other hand, this clearning the skies is costing a fortune in lost jobs, and work stoppages. So it's impossible to think that Beijing will just ban business for the foreseeable future.
Hopefully the reduction of cars will remain in place.
I'd like to know what Britons are doing to reduce their reliance on motor vehicles. As you can see, China has used the games as a chance to overhaul and ramp up its public transport system. What has the UK done?
7

Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 04:43:55
Things your lying western press might not publish...

A police station in the northwestern Xinjiang region was raided Monday morning, with attackers throwing two grenades, leaving a dozen officers injured, state media reported.
“Rioters” drove two vehicles into a station under the border patrol armed police division in the Xinjiang city of Kashgar,” the Xinhua news agency reported.
They threw two grenades, which exploded, leaving a dozen officers injured, according to the agency.

Perhaps now you begin to understand the need for security in Beijing. Can you imagine what would happen if your Brit athletes died in an attack?
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 04:54:10
In fact 16 police officers were killed.
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postmark fifty-fyve,

China, 04/08/2008 05:29:21
And yet there are posters here who keep saying that terrorism in China is a figment of our imagination. Maybe 9-11 and 7/7 were just stories too eh?
Be thankful that we are doing everything possible to protect your athletes, as we should.
Terrorism knows no boundaries, and China is just as vulnerable as the west is, especially with the Olympics here.
All I see is criticism about how we have made Beijing such a fortress, but it is our duty to protect all concerned. So you should be thanking us rather than condemning us.
If we have banned access to certain internet sites, there's a good reason why we did, it's too keep the nutjobs at bay.
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postmark fifty-fyve,

China, 04/08/2008 05:35:59
#4 britfreee,
Thanks for the warning, we're well aware of how those two operate, and I'm gearing up to get yet another ID, it's par for the course these days. They can't win arguments, so they just have me banned, and the Scotsman being the morons that they are, keep playing along with their games. If getting banned was an Olympics event, I'd be geting the gold medal for sure. Censorship in China pales in comparison of what the Scotsman does, in fact, I've never been banned from anything in China, ever.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 05:46:43
the websites have been opened to the media
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 05:48:31
the websites have been opened to the media
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postmark fifty-fyve,

China, 04/08/2008 06:46:06
#11 and #12 Mashimaro,
Big mistake on the part of our government, or is it? They're not stupid, and know what they're doing.
Maybe the west can be exposed to our English Speech Competition, and learn a thing or two.
Welcome to CCTV 9, folks, China's dirtiest and deepest secrets revealed, and it's all in English.
Maybe have another look at the Falun Gong, so you can see what nutjobs they are, and witness the lies Amnesty International turn out on a daily basis.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 07:43:02
#7 Mashimaro,Red China - "Things your lying western press might not publish..." - The lying Western press has "published" this story on the BBC website:

"CHINESE BORDER ASSAULT KILLS 16"
"Sixteen Chinese policemen have been killed in an attack on a border post in the restive Muslim region of Xinjiang, state media say.

Two attackers reportedly drove up to the post in a rubbish truck and threw two grenades, before moving in to attack the policemen with knives".

But then as the BBC points out we only have the word of the lying Chinese Communist media (lying is not a monopoly of the Western media) for this so far, and they are as reliable as a plumber's estimate. The two "terrorists" were apparently and will no doubt appear at a show trial soon (unless they go straight to execution).

The rest of the lying Western media will catch up on this story later today or tomorrow.


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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 07:52:09
Jimmy Dee - thanks for admitting China is improving - let's see how the lying western media portray it. No doubt they will make these men out to be heroes of some sort. Naturally there is nothing stopping the lying western journalists running off to Xinjiang to get in touch with the Islamists. I do hope when they are there that they take photos of all the mosques so that certain trolls on this board can see religion is not supressed in the area.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 07:53:05
#10 postmark fifty-fyve,Red China - "the Scotsman being the morons that they are, keep playing along with their games" - Can't think why anyone at the Scotsman would ban your ID after a comment like that. The comments section is not a free-for-all where anything goes, but rather has terms and conditions. If you breach those terms and conditions on a regular basis then you have to take the consequences. I don't work for the Scotsman nor do I have any "influence" there, as you have suggested in the past. I suspect that you attempt to have your IDs banned as a quite deliberate policy so you can lie about press censorship in the West and to attract various "useful idiots" and assorted trolls to join in your attacks.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 07:59:47
#16 Mashimaro,Red China - "thanks for admitting China is improving" - I don't think I have admitted anything of the sort and if the repetition of this "slogan" (Communists are still big on slogans rigght?) is an attempt to annoy, it is a tad childish.
"let's see how the lying western media portray it. No doubt they will make these men out to be heroes of some sort" - So, you have an open mind on this story then. If Communist China does not supress religion, it would be the only Communist state in history not not to do so. That there are mosques in Xinjiang does not prove anything; the Nazis dod not destroy all the synagogues in the countries they occupied, but that does not mean they did not persecute the Jews.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 08:10:08
Jimmy Dee - thanks for admitting China is improving - I actually thought it was quite magnanimous of you to finally admit that what we have in China today is better than - say - 10 years ago. Only an ignorant fool would think otherwise.
An open mind on this story? Let's see... er... no. What is there to have an "open mind" about? You think it might have been an accident? Oh, wait, you think the US and UK hasn't done enough damage to the west by supporting the rise of Islamists in Afghanistan and think China should do the same thing in the middle of it's country - share the joy with its citizens, allow them to become targets of bombers. Oh no, wait, you want them to be all allowed in to Beijing to bomb away at their leisure.
Tell me JD, what is you actually want?
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Jim A,

04/08/2008 08:17:01
#7 Mashimaro, Yep the press did publish the story of the attack, it also went on to say

"A local Turkic Muslim people, the Uighurs (WEE'-gurs), have chafed under Chinese rule, fully imposed after the communists took power nearly 60 years ago. Occasionally violent attacks in the 1990s brought an intense response from Beijing, which has stationed crack paramilitary units in the area and clamped down on unregistered mosques and religious schools that officials said were inciting militant action."

However as you say terrorism is terrorism no matter how it's dressed up. Still do these folks have a genuine grievance? Way I see it is, if they don't want to be a part of China, let them go their own way. If after going their own way they continue their attacks smack them hard. Win win situation for China if you think about it.
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Mashimaro,

04/08/2008 08:36:30
#20 Jim, It's not as simple as letting people go their own way. This is a diazporic nation, smashed by the Mongols. They had their empire, the Mongols kicked their ant hills over and they scattered. It just so happens that many of them settled in this region. This region was part of the Chagatai Khanate - in other words the area run by Genghis Khan's son Chagatai. Their history is strongly entertwined with Mongols and there of course has been a lot of war and moving around. You can't really say historically they have any claim to anything.
In a modern context these people are treated the same way as any ethnic minority in greater China. That is to say they have education, health care, food. They are able to pursue their religions. They are not subject to the one-child policy. I'd say for them, life isn't bad.
The trouble you see brewing now is not about freedom. It's about money.
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Mashimaro,

04/08/2008 08:40:49
@MacGillicuddy... Mate, you really want to read that with some journalistic integrity and side step all the emotive bs that's written in to stir up readers' emotions.

"Some security experts say many of the surveillance measures will probably stay in place after the Games, to bolster the reach of the authorities." = no one the writer cares to name - i.e. no one thinks this but the writer himself.

"As the matter of fact, the Communist Party is concerned about possible protests against inhuman persecution of the Chinese organization “Fulungyun”, extracting of organs from the living people, and persecution of Tibet monks."

er, I don't think a pro jouno would write this. Where did you get it from?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 08:45:37
#19 Mashimaro,Red China - Ah, so it is just a childish attempt to annoy thank you for clearing that up.
"You think it might have been an accident?" - You really do read so much into things don't you (especially for your own propaganda agenda). You seem to have already decided what will be the content of the stories published in the "lying Western media" (that sounds a bit slogan-like too) before they have even been published.
Xinjiang is a frontier province of the Red Empire slowly being colonised by the han Chinese. You can't expect this to go on without the odd bit of resistance now and again. It is just that it suit the purpose of the Chinese Communist government to publicise this attack at this time because of the Olympics to justify the "tight security" in Beijing (a long way from Xinjiang).
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postmark fifty-fyve,

China, 04/08/2008 08:54:26
Uh HELLO folks, these are called the Olympic games, so let's enjoy the games.
You'll get yours in four years time, then you can bitch about what will happen there.
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postmark fifty-fyve,

China, 04/08/2008 08:57:29
JAMES DONALD, GO BACK TO SLEEP, YOU BRING NOTHING TO THE TABLE.
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postmark fifty-fyve,

China, 04/08/2008 09:01:25
#29, #30 and #31 Rulesbutnotrulers,
We get the point.
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Guga II,

Rockall 04/08/2008 09:05:35
#9 Skidmark.

"there are posters here who keep saying that terrorism in China is a figment of our imagination".

Nobody thinks that terrorism in China is a figment of your imagination. We know there is plenty of terrorism in China, and that 99.99% of it is carried out by your gangster government. They also carry out their terrorism in occupied and repressed countries like Tibet, along with their ongoing attempted genocide of the Tibetan people.

Nor should we forget your gangster government's terrorism and repression of the Uighirs; nor their butchery of the Falun Gong.

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Guga II,

Rockall 04/08/2008 09:09:03
#24 Mushy Marrow (The Rabid Rabbit).

"In a modern context these people are treated the same way as any ethnic minority in greater China".

In other words, they are terrorised and repressed by your gangster government, over-run by Han Chinese, and treated as scum in their own lands.

Boycott the Gangster Olympics.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 09:15:16
#34... big yawn. Don't you get bored with trotting out the same mantra? Tell you what, get all the whites out of Australia, New Zealand, America, South Africa and then come back here with that line.
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Mashimaro,

04/08/2008 09:18:13
Jimmy Dee - thank you for agreeing China is improving - of course it suits Bejing to publicise the attack now seeing as how you eejits are whining about all the security. What do you expect?
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postmark fifty-fyve,

China, 04/08/2008 09:21:07
Hey Guga ll old pal, how's it going eh?
The country of Tibet, that's a good one. You should try stand up comedy, it should suit you well.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 09:21:24
#28 postmark fifty-fyve,Red China - What exactly does this bring to the table? Take your own "advice"......
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Guga II,

Rockall 04/08/2008 09:31:09
#37 Skidmark.

As comedy goes, I'm sure your denial of the existence, kidnapping, and probable murder of a six year old child, the Panchen Lama, by your gangster government would be hard to beat.

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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 09:31:21
# 36 Mashimaro Red cesspit - I don't think you are going to win any prizes from the party for political slogans even compared to some of this guff:
http://www.sacu.org/slogans.html
"What do you expect?" - Nothing but the worst from the odious regime in Beijing; I am seldom disappointed.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 09:34:29
Googoo, so if he was kidnapped and murdered, what are you going to do about it?
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Guga II,

Rockall 04/08/2008 09:34:35
Current weather condition in Peking: Temperature 33 degrees Celsius, visibility 3Km in haze.
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Guga II,

Rockall 04/08/2008 09:37:00
#41 Mushy Marrow (The Rabid Rabbit).

I'm certainly not going to give blind support, as you do, to a gangster, murdering, dictatorial government.

Incidentally, it doesn't say much for your own morals if you find the kidnapping and murder of a six year old child acceptable.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 09:49:14
#42 Guga II,Rockall - BBC television also reported air pollution levels today in Beijing as being 9 times the level in London.
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Freewheelin Franklin on vacation,

04/08/2008 10:27:42
"Newbie's guide to pro China internet trolls" yeah man thats the one, they are all there, have a good read, have a good laugh, enjoy, oh and by the way its true what they say, they are trolling all over the globe, little globe trollers, Beijing Globe Trollers, I like it.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 10:40:03
Googoo, I didn't say it was "acceptable" I just wanted to know what you were going to do about it. As it happens you can't do a damn thing. So why bother?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 10:59:15
#16 Mashimaro, Red China - Spooky, huh?

http://news.scotsman.com/world/16-Chinese-police-killed-in.4354341.jp
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Guga II,

Rockall 04/08/2008 11:04:01
#46 Mushy marrow (The Rabid rabbit).

I bother because, unlike you, I find the kidnapping and murder of a six year old child to be morally repugnant, and the actions of your murdering gangster government in doing this, totally repugnant.

It is quite unbelievable that your gangster government were so scared of the six year old Panchen Lama that they felt it necessary to kidnap him, murder him, and replace him with their own stooge.

The fact that this action by your gangster government doesn't seem to bother you in the slightest, doesn't say much for your morals, or your gangster governments moral turpitude.

Incidentally, I notice that you avoid using the name Panchen Lama. This is presumably because it is on the list of banned words that your gangster government doesn't allow Chinese people to use. If you're interested, I can tell you how to get around the banned words list.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 11:04:42
#42 First of all, it's Beijing ya eejit. Bei jing. Not so hard for a pharang to say.
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Mashimaro,

04/08/2008 11:09:22
Jimmy Dee - thanks n all that - not bad, not bad. Being a journo I guess I'm just way ahead of you guys. LOL.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 11:19:11
Googoo, Lordie you're funny. "Repugnant" Ooooh! That's got me shaking in my shoes. Yay, so you find it repugnant, and???
Please do not say you know what I "find" about this. You don't. I just think it is hilarious that you sing on and on and on about it.
Many many leaders have done this sort of thing. Why is it suddenly so repugnant just because we did? Remind me how old the little princes were when they were locked up in the tower of London.
What iota of difference does it make how old he was? He was a threat and he was removed.
I'm awfully sorry that we, the rest of the world, does not share your moral indignation and bluster.
Perhaps you would be wise to take a lesson from this and realise that the rest of the world doesn't have your soft sense of "morals", and doesn't play by your rules.
If you did this maybe you would realise why your own people are under threat and your own civilisation is falling down around your heads.
Oh, and also realise that no one gives a damn when you wag your finger. You can't even take down Mugabe.
Fact is that your "morals" and "outrage" are selective. Fact is also that you are a toothless cur with nothing to do but bark as the rest of the world moves on. So as my friend Subi would say "Tie your dog, old man, and go tend your horses".
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 11:20:12
oh, and Googoo


PANCHEN LAMA !!! BOO
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 11:48:54
#54, d'you really need it explained? Really?

Oh, PS, I have no clue as to whether or not he was kidnapped (please don't use the term abducted). I think he probably was. I think I recall reading somewhere he had died of a heart attack or something. *shrugs* could have been just western propaganda.
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Guga II,

Rockall 04/08/2008 11:54:50
#51 Mushy Marrow (The Rabid Rabbit)

Well you have now shown yourself, and your gangster government, in your true colours, and, to make matters worse, you are proud of it.

Yesterday you stated that web sites containing child pornography were no different to political web sites.

Today, you condone the kidnapping and murder, by your gangster government, of a six year old child: "Many many leaders have done this sort of thing. Why is it suddenly so repugnant just because we did?"

You are a real class act, as is your gangster government. It is little wonder that so many people object to your country having been given the Olympics.

Incidentally, I'll continue to call it Peking, whether you like it or not.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 12:04:40
#50 Mashimaro - "Being a journo I guess I'm just way ahead of you guys" - and this would be very much the minority view here. Of course, some might say that bein a "journo" just make you part of the "lying Chinese madia".
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postmark fifty-fyve,

China, 04/08/2008 12:20:24
Damn you guys are on the ball, post #56 removed already, they should make it an Olympic event, Scotsman bags yet another gold medal for censorship.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 12:25:45
#60 postmark fifty-fyve,Red China - Try reading all of the posts again when you have calmed down to a frenzy and then you might get it.
BTW, insulting other posters in this fashion is against the terms and conditions of the Scotsman site.
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postmark fifty-fyve,

China, 04/08/2008 12:32:03
Hey Jimmy Dee, I'm not the least bit upset, it just proves that the west is heavily into censorship, China is not, we after all get to read that rag that pretends to be a newspaper, what's the name again? Oh yes that's right, the Scotsman. If we did censor things, we'd never be exposed to your garbage now would we?
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postmark fifty-fyve,

China, 04/08/2008 12:33:44
Hey Horrid,
I still own you.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 12:39:54
#57 I have never said I condone it. I don't know what happened to him. I don't particularly care. I really just like seeing you foaming at the mouth and counting the number of times you can get the words "gangster government" into a posting. Sheesh, talking about your basic sloganeering. I thought Beijing was bad.

Now, the official line on the "other" Panchen Lama is that he's living his life as a normal citizen and growing up. The one before him died, and the Dalai Lama and Beijing agreed on Gedhun Choekyi Nyima as being the next Panchen Lama. (see, China appointed him too). The Dull Lie Lama decided he had to announce it to the world first and Bejing didn't like that so withdrew support of Gehun Choekyi Nyima and appointed someone else from the list of finalists.


And the runner up is...

Big whoop.

It's patently obvious that the Dull Lie Lama was going to use the boy for his own political ends - in fact he tried to do exactly that. He got slapped down. The Dull Lie Lama couldn't take the shame, innit?
So he and his CIA backers have kicked up a fuss for all these years. For what? For the next Nazi leader? You have got to be kidding me. The next feudal lord to reign over serfs and slaves? Where is your moral outrage 'bout that eh? Where's your moral outrage about the Dull Lie Lama taking the last food from the starving herdsmen, or flaying the skin off children to make art work. Where is that?
Don't you find it funny how the Dull Lie lama has been spun into this holy man of peace by the CIA? I mean talk about making the silk purse out of a sow's ear.
You're a joke. What next, screaming for the Nazi Party to be reinstated in Germany?
Didn't the Dull Lie and his system do enough damage for you last time around?
I have to hand it to the man, he's kept the scam going for decades. Let's see if he's going to kill these hunger strikers too.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 12:43:13
#68 - er, how would you know if people were boycotting it or not?
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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 04/08/2008 13:19:33
Mashimaro,China you mention the censorship of the Internet as being OK because the censored should not be allowed to spread whatever, who makes a call on free speech?
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ReadingPublic-2,

Northern Wisconsin 04/08/2008 13:21:57
Mashimaro,China what part of the directorate for propaganda do you work for?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 13:31:54
#65 postmark fifty-fyve,Red China - Nobody is forcing you to read this "rag" as you call it (unless you know different - I hate to think that your Commissar has a Makarov at your head forcing you to write this).
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 13:33:47
#70 I'd ask you to define "free speech" and then tell me why it is so important.
I would say there's a lot to be said against free speech, but that is just my personal belief.
In China, naturally, it is the party that makes the call on what is acceptable and what is not.
In a country which may look homogenous to you, you will find fault lines in society along ancient tribal history. It makes it very difficult to control this vehicle. If you can imagine a chariot being pulled by a horse, harnessed next to an ox an elephant and a sheep. You have to make that cart go forward. How?
And if that horse bolts do you just let it drag the sheep to death or not. When the elephant decides to turn left and the ox decides to go right, should you let them split the chariot right down the middle? Maybe you think they should all be unharnessed and left to wander and starve to death or be easy pickings for other chariot drivers who want to use them.
Some countries do better under dictatorship. In fact, I would say most countries do.
There is a reason Genghis Khan is the man of the millenium. There is a reason why people like Lincoln and Churchill and Stalin and Mao pale against him. There is a reason your society is falling apart.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 13:38:29
#72 postmark fifty-fyve,Red China - "Damn, where's all that red ink coming from?" - Ask the editor; you'll have his contact details from all the complaints you have made, right?
I tried to give you some friendly advice about the terms and conditions of the site and you repay me by breaking them again. Remember, "Please note that your e-mail address may be used by one of our journalists to contact you for further information", but they will only be able to do that if your email address is real and not one you have invented just to re-register.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 13:39:04
#73 I think you mean a Type 77.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 13:44:41
#71 The equiavalent of the directorate of the CIA you work for.
Seriously guys, the fact that you automatically assume when you meet someone from China who can talk to you on your own terms, that I must be working for the "directorate", or have to be paid by the government, says a whole lot about your very very skewed view of China.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 13:55:34
#76 Mashimaro,Red China - Whatever cheap, knock-off copy pistol Chinese Commissars use. Maybe they still use a Tokarev copy.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 13:59:05
Just remember who invented gun powder.
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Freewheelin Franklin on vacation,

04/08/2008 13:59:21
I just read that article in the Guardian and now its gone well whats going on here?Tell you what when something like that vanishes in a puff of smoke it makes you wonder my friends so I'l just put it right back.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2005/jun/14/newmedia.china

This is interesting because it shows you if they are doing this in china to their own people then by heck they can be doing this to the rest of the world.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 14:14:14
#80 Talk about an insult to the intelligence and tenacity of your average Chinese citizen. Do you really think a few well placed comments online would make any difference?
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 14:21:50
I must say I'm quite disappointed that we can't comment on the China terror attack. I wonder why that is. Could it be because the CIA is using its patsies to wage another covert war against China?
D'you think the long-sponsored separatists will finally be paying off for the UKUS?
(http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/muslim-group-targets-olympics/ 2008/07/26/1216492803337.html)
Expect internet disruptions to follow suit, naturally to be blamed on the Chinese.
*sigh* the Shanghai co-operation really gets up your noses eh.
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Freewheelin Franklin on vacation,

04/08/2008 14:23:17
83 Mashimaro well you tell me my friend because it must have been a problem as it was removed pretty damm quick.Now if that other one just up there is taken away at the same rate well hell yeah this is getting more than suspicius and theres no getting away from that now is there.Im not insulting no ones intelligence here but if that newspaper story is harmless than why do you folks insist on taking it away?people shoud be able to read it and make there own minds up.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 14:26:11
#84 "True" Dalai Lama? Oh wake up and smell the BS woman! Have ya no heerd? The living Duh Lie Lama is going to APPOINT his successor. Now I don't claim to be an expert on reincarnation or anything but I do believe one of the main criteria IS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE DEAD TO BE BORN AGAIN!
So please explain to us all how the living Duh Lie Lama can appoint the person he is supposed to come back as?
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 14:30:02
#86 oh, WE'RE taking it away are we?
Tell me how you know WE'RE taking it away.

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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 14:32:19
#84 Cankers, you might want to check the usual legal definition of abduction... it's removal from authority with intent to marry or have sex with... I don't think, in even your sick mind, you could be contemplating what you intimate. Do I really have to teach you people your OWN language?
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 14:42:49
#89 I haven't said a word about modern day Germany, just used it as an example of what you are hoping to achieve.
Tibet has also moved away from feudalism and yet you are bawling to have the feudal lord reinstalled.
Why would you want to do that to people?
D'you wanna put Milosevic back? Shall we let Karadik head back to Bosnia? How about Idi Amin for Uganda rah! rah! rah!
This man is getting people to die for him. Do you understand that? He's getting people to starve themselves to death ... for him. Can you not see the comparison? What leader who genuinely cares for his people would contemplate such an act?
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 14:46:48
#91 Cankers, the Duh Lie Lama is supposed to be a reincarnation of the dude that went before him.
YOu know, all that rubbish about divine right to lead n stuff. So please 'splain to us here, how in heck you can reincarnate into a living person.
Because if it is not a reincarnation doesn't that sorta destroy everything they have been bleating about? Doesn't it kind mean that the Duh Lai lama is no one special. Just another political appointee? Wow, won't that wipe the magic dust from their eyes?
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 14:51:53
#93 Yes I would prefer if you used the word "kidnapped". Just because you let your English language standards slip doesn't mean we have to.
My callous disregard for a six year old boy - hmm... I doubt he's still six. Getting a bit emotive on that one aren't we?
You have no proof that he has been kidnapped or otherwise. You can assume all you like but you can't prove it.
Unlike you I don't pretend to care about things for the sake of causing a fuss. He is nothing more than a clothes peg on which the UKUS is attempting to hang a coat of propaganda. I give it as much attention as it deserves... 0
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 15:29:18
Chicom trolls seem to have gone to bo-bos. Back for more agitprop tomorrow......
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 15:46:13
Actually cankers I shrugged it off as good sense. Naturally any such boy would be subjected to immense pressure and be a lightning rod for UK/US cat pawing. What do you think would happen if he had just been turned loose? Do you imagine he would have had any sort of free and normal life? You dream.
He too would have become a pawn in the west's great game. He too would have been hijacked and gilded and set up as some sort of regent in exile.
D'you really think we're that dumb?
Again, nothing you can do about it.
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Mashimaro,

China 04/08/2008 16:08:35
#98 He didn't say anything about a temporary successor. He said successor. Nothing temp about it.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 04/08/2008 16:21:56
#106 Ardanaiseig,Argyll - "look in a mirror if you are looking for a troll" - You first. Trolls also use multiple IDs, delete posts (including their own) then blame others. See yourself in the mirror yet?
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 04/08/2008 18:05:36
A fair few cubic metres of polluted air here too!

Back to the article:
'Fan Yuansheng, director general of the department of pollution control at the Environmental Protection Ministry, said China would also probably carry on keeping some government vehicles off Beijing's roads after the Games.'

The clue is in the name. Not sure what a 'Yuansheng' is, but a shipload of fans would certainly help clear the air - albeit shifting the muck elsewhere.
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Guga II,

Rockall 04/08/2008 19:10:44
Mushy Marrow (The Rabid Rabbit).

Never mind, you can be sure that China will win a few gold medals. They are certain to get them for:

Thuggery
Murder
Genocide
Kidnapping
Torture
Stealing of organs from people still alive
Occupation of other countries
Oppression
Lying
Propaganda
Rifle Shooting (Short range into the back of the head)

All won by the PLA thugs.

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Mashimaro,

China 05/08/2008 01:25:09
#110 Googoo - BIG YAWN. Look at some western countries participating in the Games, they'll give us a run for our money. How about the UK in the "We know nothing of rendition flights" stakes? Or the US for "straffing villagers with our big powerful aircraft and trying to cook them alive with napalm" derby.

Cankers: No, it's not really a matter for his family to decide. Families don't get to decide matters of national security in properly run countries which strive to protect their people.
I don't give the proverbial "rats" about any Lama, Panchen, Duh Lie or other. Just as you don't give any rats about Milosevic or Pinochet. But seeing as how the current dude was on the list of finalists discussed by the Duh Lie and the CG, there is no reason he should not be taken seriously. He is Ms First Runner Up, after all.


"Why are you communicating with me? you been given the orders noo thit Skiddy has gone fir 'es tea?"

No, I am communicating with you because you have apprently refrained from your foul-mouthed racists comments about Chinese people. And also because you do make some points, as opposed to the other sloganeering drones on this board.

Just "wait and see"? The Duh Lie basically turned the whole concept of reincarnation on its head! He admitted it is the sham that everyone with two braincells knows it to be. But you'll just "wait n see" huh? In the mean time his followers can continue to live in filth and squalor and disease and ignorance, and kill themselves in his name.
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Fanling,

Switzerland 05/08/2008 01:34:27
#102 Dave from Barra ©,Western Isles

"Question:
If debating was an Olympic sport, how would the Chinese fair?"

Answer: If blethers was an Olympic sport, how would the Glesca Fair?

Fare enough?!
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postmark fifty-fyve,

China, 05/08/2008 05:09:08
It would be nice if they had left room for comments on the article pertaining to the murder of 16 of our policemen in Xinjiang, but I guess the west deems it as OK, and not part of terrorism. I guess 7/7 and 9-11 we're just a bad dream as well, and should have never made the news. Good excuse to invade Afghanistan though eh, and shortly after that Iraq. And Hu Jintao is the dictator? Try Bush, Blair and Brown, and let's not forget the Dalai Lama, or the almighty infamous leader of the Catholic Church, the Pope.
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Mashimaro,

China 05/08/2008 05:17:59
Posters, watch the cat paw come in here.
We know who is funding these people. We know how their organisation is being "sheep dipped" by western media to make them seem part of Al-Qaeda. We know how the UKUS is trying to install its own form of government to break down the Shanghai co-operation and let their voracious businessmen take advantage of our people.
Watch now for a rising wave of nationalism which Beijing is going to have a tough time controlling. Gosh, wouldn't it be strange if the nationalism got out of control and turned on the current government? That's exactly what the west is hoping for. It blames Beijing for nationalist sentiment, when in fact the west is fuelling it at every turn. Beijing knows full well that nationalism is a beast that can turn on its master very quickly.
Then, to pull sympathy from the Chinese - who are being killed by terrorists after all - there will be a string of cyber attacks blamed on Chinese. You can see it happening already with someone here commenting about us taking stories off some Aussie newspaper's site.
You can tell that this cyber war, which will involve hacking and probably the use of logic bombs, will rock the markets, bringing them crashing down as Washtingon would like to do so that its own debt is eased.
Who cares if a few policemen get blown to bits, as long as the UKUS people can still drive their huge cars and lead their polluting, wasteful, miserable lives.
Isn't that just how it's always been?
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postmark fifty-fyve,

China, 05/08/2008 06:01:26
Mashimaro,
We're indeed living in dangerous times, due in part to the internet and its web effect. Borders have become virtual because of the internet, and terrorism is spread by the pen more than by the sword, as hard to believe as it is. Let's hope that we can endure, I think we can, we have withstood the challenges for the past 5000 years and more, and will adapt to the new threats, one way or another.
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Mashimaro,

China 05/08/2008 12:28:43
Cankers, as China's economy grows and matures it is entirely natural that exploitative companies will take their labour intensive business elsewhere. We are also exporting people all over the world. Oooh, that must scare you, no?

How can I put this more simply?
The Panchen lama is the man who identifies the Dalai Lama's reincarnation. He needs to identify the Dalai Lama because the Dalai Lama supposedly died and was born again. He is meant to be an old soul. Now you might think that this current Dalai Lama is close to god but not even he can, as a soul, occupy two bodies at the same time. (Which, remember, is why we need that Panchen Lama). So for him to say that now he is going to "appoint" his successor makes it perfectly clear that this is all BS, even to superstitious people like you.

I thought you believed the previous Panchen Lama was dead.
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Mashimaro,

China 05/08/2008 13:34:17
Another quake
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 06/08/2008 05:16:09
#120 Horrible Cankers,
You only partied and got drunk, and it's high time you sobered up.
If you do believe in re-incarnation and all that other stuff that goes along with it, fine, but we don't really have to believe it, now do we?
The Dalai Lama is a fraud, he's a mortal human being just like all people are, there is no God, are no Gods, he just drools over the thought of more power, for it means more money. That's the bottom line, it's as plain and simple as that.
As far as the PANCHEN LAMA goes, it fits nicely into the rest of the story, just to play on the western gullible minds. Wake up, it's all BS, yes, all of it.
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