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Published Date: 20 May 2008
A SENIOR Taleban commander in Afghanistan who is thought to have orchestrated one of the country's worst bombing atrocities has escaped from German special forces – because they were not authorised to kill him.
The fiasco highlights the absurd role played in the country by the German military – they are known sarcastically to other nations fighting in Afghanistan as "the bridge builders", as Berlin will not let them fire shots in any situation other than
self-defence.

The man who escaped is called the Baghlan Bomber – he masterminded an attack in November 2007 during a ceremony marking the reopening of a sugar factory in Baghlan province in which 79 people, many of them children, were killed.

According to intelligence sources, he has organised roadside bombs in other areas that have hit British military convoys, and he shelters suicide attackers before they carry out their missions.

Intelligence officials say he has strong links with al-Qaeda leaders based in Pakistan and is one of the top logisticians behind the Taleban's struggle to destroy the fledgling democracy in Afghanistan.

Germany's KSK special forces had been charged with capturing the terrorist, in co-operation with the Afghan secret service and the Afghan army. The elite German soldiers were able to uncover his location and spent weeks on his trail.

At the end of March, they moved into a location near the town of Pol-e-Khomri to seize him. Dressed in black and equipped with night-vision goggles, the team came within a few hundred metres of their target before they were discovered by Taleban forces. He escaped.

The KSK told their commanders it would have been possible to kill him – they literally had him in their sights – but they were not authorised to do so.

The case has caused disgust at the headquarters of the International Security Assistance Force (Isaf] peacekeeping force in Kabul, where the current strategy is to "eliminate" Taleban hardliners through targeted assassinations while attempting to win other fighters over.

And the Baghlan Bomber is a threat once more. The German news magazine Der Spiegel reported yesterday: "Warned of Isaf's activities and intent on taking revenge, the man and his network are active once again."

According to some estimates, close to a third of the Taleban leaders, about 150 commanders, have been "neutralised" – killed or captured – over the past four years. Most of the missions are undertaken by British or US special forces. Why the Germans were sent after the Baghlan Bomber is unclear, but there are more insurgents pouring into the nine Afghan provinces the Germans command.

Maulawi Bashir Haqqani, the Taleban's military commander in Kunduz, said: "The Germans are the most important enemy in the north. If they leave their base, they will find booby traps and bombs waiting for them on every road. They will have to carry many more bodies in coffins on their shoulders if they don't come to the realistic conclusion that their forces must withdraw from our country."

Critics accuse the Germans of achieving precisely the opposite effect to what they claim to be aiming for. A British officer at Isaf headquarters told Der Spiegel: "The Germans are allowing the most dangerous people to get away and are, in the process, increasing the danger for the Afghans and for all foreign forces here."





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  • Last Updated: 19 May 2008 10:07 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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20/05/2008 00:02:45
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/05/2008 03:25:49
American...that's not fair...true, but not fair!!
If they weren't going to fight, who needed them there?
More PC nonsense. You cannot fight a war with "bridge builders'. They should leave. Everyone else is in danger because of them.
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Jim A,

20/05/2008 04:43:20
#1 American, what a really dumb thing to write. Let me tell you mate I've seen the German KSK guys in action and they are as good as any SF guys anywere. It's not their fault the German politicians won't let them operate to their full potential.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 20/05/2008 09:28:59
#3 Jim A - "American, what a really dumb thing to write" - Dumb posts are his hallmark, something he has in common with several US posters.
The German KSK and other Special Forces such as the Fernspähkompanie and Kampfschwimmerkompanie are at least as good as UK Special Forces (with whom they train regularly) and superior to most of the US so-called "Special Forces".
From "Der Spiegel"
"The Germans have considerable misgivings about such an approach. They have secretly given "clarification notes" to NATO with far-ranging instructions for their soldiers which expressly contradict the usual procedures: "The use of lethal force is prohibited unless an attack is taking place or is imminent." Sources in NATO circles regard the confidential document as a "national exception," a caveat which places restrictions on operational capability. The Germans, for their part, always avoid using the word caveat, out of diplomatic considerations vis-à-vis their allies".
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,554033,00.html
It is the German Government that lacks courage; the courage to either withdraw from a campaign (and risk the wrath of NATO Allies) or fully commit to the mission (and risk the wrath of the German Left). The Germans have suffered casualties in Afghanistan, far less than the US, Britain and Canada but 4th highest of all the ISAF forces. Each casualty is "ammunition" to the Political Left in Germany, part of which (the SPD) is in an uneasy coalition government.
When ordered to do so, German Forces in ISAF will follow the motto of the Kampfschwimmerkompanie "Klagt nicht, kämpft!".
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 20/05/2008 09:47:27
Aye the coalition of the willing right enough.
Why the f*ck are we still out there???
6

AJ Fife,

20/05/2008 11:08:51
How surprising!

The Jerries used to be a dab hand at executing prisoners.
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bilI,

england 20/05/2008 12:15:16
"The elite German soldiers were able to uncover his location and spent weeks on his trail"

How do they know they are elite if they have neve been truly tested?
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bilI,

england 20/05/2008 12:17:26
4 James Donald,Newbridge

I see you still get excited with every snibit on Germany. Is your favourite symbol still banned in Germany?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 20/05/2008 12:36:52
#7 bilI,england - "How do they know they are elite if they have neve been truly tested?" - Very few people know if the KSK has been "truly tested" as details of its operations are usually kept secret even from members of the German Parliament.
The KSK is generally considered an elite due to the very high level of their training - what successes they have had in Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan is not know but on 7th December, 2004 the unit was awarded the US Navy and Marine Corps Presidential Unit Citation for their actions in Afghanistan. Alles klar?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 20/05/2008 12:38:48
#8 bilI, Little englander - No the Saltire is not banned in Germany, indeed it is a welcome sight in contrast to the symbols of perfidious Albion.
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Stuart 2,

Pennsylvania 20/05/2008 12:55:38
It is quite disturbing that a government is not allowing a military force do what they are trained to do. They shouldn't be on the front lines.

Germany has and is taking great pains to show the world that Hitler is a shame on their history. They want to be truely accepted by the all the nations and are very cautious in their foreign policy.

They should be more like Canada. Canada will defend their country if the need arises but on globial issues they more or less decided to give aid an humanterian help when needed. There is a place for Germany to fully intergrate with globial emergencies.

One lesson of Iraq. We don't need another Hitler and getting rid of Saddam has saved a lot of innocent lives. The trouble is that Those responsible for the initiating the war didn't plan for after the war. We went in, defeated the Iraqi military and expected to leave. We all know what happened and is still happening. This is where Germany would be of great help. We are making a mistake in Afganistan. We take territory and then leave, the terrorist return. The German army would be ideal in moving into those areas and keep them stabalized and guide them to a peaceful government and help with humanterian needs and building the economy to the point that the citizens feel safe.

The German troops should be removed from the "front lines", but can secure the areas that the terrorist have been defeated.

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20/05/2008 15:42:26
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mike - across the pond,

armed to the teeth..... 20/05/2008 16:22:05
one thing Somalia taught americans...

we are VERY reluctant to send troops into harms way under the command of anybody who doesnt view their #1 job to get their guys home ALIVE...

germans basically armed with SPITWADS means they are prime candidates to NOT make it home... or reduce others chances of making it home...

live under no delusions a battlefield such as Afghanistan where your "enemy" can arise from any crowd... and just as quickly disappear into any crowd... has precious few "secured" areas...

the luxury of always giving them the first shot means many others will be put in harms way....

IMHO this is testimony to their being a MENACE...
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BK,

Cyberspace 20/05/2008 16:59:06
Better that than a bunch trigger happy Yankee cowboys, shooting everyone on sight, friend or foe.
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ebbi,

spain 20/05/2008 17:49:17
i wonder where he is hoping to go?maybe george bush's guest!!!! well they are doing exactly what george bush and his gang wanted them to do.capture bin laden?
thats a joke.and who do they blame all this arms race and wars on?how will they scare us and let them do whatever they want?
no,they need a constant enemy to be able to erode our civil liberties.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 20/05/2008 18:29:37
I am under the impression they were trying very hard to take the guy alive which is a damn site more useful to the coalition than bringing him in dead. Its seems they were just unlucky to get spotted before they were ready. These things happen in these kinds of operations.
Should they have shot at him rather than letting him get away maybe but if the coalition specifically asked for him alive then they were right not to open fire.
Shows excellent discipline actually something the Germans are well known for something you wont find in the US armed forces in similar circumstances.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 20/05/2008 18:31:14
He might even survive long enough to become a new ally to the US when this is all over. You know how the US just love to embrace use tae be terrorists.
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Black Beard,

20/05/2008 19:16:49
16 Nobody'd argue that the Germans don't excel at following orders, any orders.
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yoric,

not germany 20/05/2008 21:06:24
Don't mention ze var,
I did a few minutes ago, but i think i got away with it.


Germans, best penalty takers in the world.
Having a German in your side, solely to take penalty's should be a legal requirement.
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American,

20/05/2008 21:13:33
#3-jim a- Sorry jim, but with all the jew hating and American hating, I just couldnt help myself.
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Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 20/05/2008 22:41:57
The Kanzlerin needs to bring all German Soldaten home: they are great soldiers, but utterly worthless and quite dangerous given the restrictions placed upon them by the weak German Govt.

Neither the average German nor German politicians 'get it' yet: they will soon enough, as they learn what the French have learned; that acting in a reasonable manner toward Jihadists gets you NEGATIVE results.

Cheers from the Rockies
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 21/05/2008 06:54:34
A smart Taliban commander would direct his efforts at ISAF's soft underbelly. Namelly the Germans who are not authorized to shoot.

The ISAF commander should tell the whole German contingent to go home. Having unreliable allies guarding your flank is worse than no allies at all.
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Nuttered,

Earth 21/05/2008 13:00:39
22 - KampungHighlander

I totally agree with your comments mate! Having unreliable allies guarding your flank is worse than no allies at all! The germans know this for a fact! Remember the Romanians on the left flank of Stalingrad... what a disaster that was for them!
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Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 21/05/2008 15:04:14
Hello Nuttered,

I hate to have to disagree, but the Germans who actually made it back to Germany by '55 (there were only 5k-6k out of the 91k-113k originally taken POW), said the Romanians were actually equivalent to their German counterparts; it was the Italians troops they considered to be utterly worthless-less than cannon fodder.

Let's face it, when Stalin slammed in the 1.5 MILLION Reserves which he had held in abeyance (not even telling his Commanding Generals at the Stalingrad Front), there was NO HOPE that what was left of the 6th Army and its contingent groups could hold on.

The 'airlift' sent in by Hitler, was only getting some 3 tons to 9 tons of materiel through, which was far short of the MINIMUM of the estimated 49 tons that was needed.

When all was said and done, the 6th really needed closer to 60-80 tons, just to keep the Russians at bay (and that was BEFORE Stalin released the 1.5 MILLION Reserves).

Nothing could have saved the 6th short of Hitler allowing a Breakout, when one was still possible.

An interesting and quick read is Walter Kerr's 'Stalingrad' (I believe the whole title was 'The Secret of Stalingrad', but it's been a while since I read it), you should find it worth while.

Cheers from the Rockies

 

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