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Americans spurn church as land of evangelicals loses its Christian faith



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Published Date: 26 February 2008
IT'S A religious awakening in a land where Bible thumpers have held sway for centuries and Christian evangelicals have dominated White House politics for almost a decade.
Americans are turning away from the Church at a rate never seen before, according to the surprising results of a major study of the country's religious landscape. And many of those who remain are switching between faiths as freely as flicking televis
ion channels.

The findings of the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life highlight the "volatility" of what it calls the US religious marketplace.

"It seems in keeping with the high tolerance among Americans for change," said Luis Lugo, the director of the Pew Forum, which monitors public attitudes and policy towards the nation's many diverse faiths.

"People move a lot, people change jobs a lot. It's a very fluid society."

Some of the figures might come as a shock to outsiders, who have always seen the US as a devoutly religious nation led for the last eight years by President George Bush, who is firmly on the Christian right.

Although the Pew Forum found that more that 78 per cent of Americans describe themselves as having some kind of Christian affiliation, the rate of those with no ties to any church or faith was rising quickly, and older churchgoers are dying off far faster than new converts can be recruited.

In addition, more than 44 per cent of adults had left the faith they were brought up in, often for another denomination, while one in four people aged 18 to 29 had no religious affiliation at all.

"In the past, certain religions had a real holding power. Right now there's a dropping confidence in organised religion, especially in the traditional religious forms," said Roger Finke, a sociology professor from Penn State University, who acted as a consultant for the survey.

Church leaders of the Protestant and Catholic populations should be alarmed by the figures, experts say. Protestantism, for so long the dominant faith among American Christians, is in danger of losing its majority following for the first time, claiming barely 51 per cent of the 35,000 adults surveyed.

"The Protestant population is characterised by significant internal diversity and fragmentation," the study concluded, pointing to large-scale switching from traditional Methodist and Baptist denominations to evangelical and black Protestant churches, among others.

The Catholic Church, riven by recent sex-abuse scandals that have cost it millions of dollars in compensation, fared even worse.

Of the one in three who said they were brought up as Catholics, fewer than one in four is still practising today. It means 10 per cent of Americans are former Catholics.





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  • Last Updated: 25 February 2008 10:20 PM
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1

SouthernGent,

26/02/2008 00:18:22
As a young child, I was told that God was everywhere. So I never understood why I couldn't just stay home and say prayers instead of having to go to a church to do it. Now I stay home.
2

Roberta Burns,

26/02/2008 01:36:39
The fewer god-botherers on the planet, the healthier we'll all be. Soon enough there'll only be jews - as their identity is intrnsically tied to their religion

May stig of the dump help us all.
3

The Pict.,

Canada 26/02/2008 03:08:01
Soon the biggest motive/excuse in the world to torture, murder and destroy nations by other stronger nations will disappear with the most welcome disappearance of all religions. The sooner the better.
4

John D.%,

Riverside CA USA 26/02/2008 03:31:10
People are leaving traditional chruches and religions because they have found a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
5

Guga II,

Rockall 26/02/2008 04:22:25
#4 Maybe people are leaving traditional and other churches because they have woken up to the realisation that believing in fairy tales does no good, at all.

#3 Totally agree.

Religion is the opium of the masses, and a crutch for the weak-minded.
6

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta 26/02/2008 04:51:01
4
John D.%,
Riverside CA

Was this dude JC a heterosexual or homosexual . Do u know how many kids he fathered.

Religion is Crowd Control
GC
7

Dáithí,

San Jose 26/02/2008 05:41:33
#2 -

One word to you - Exorcism. Your myopic hatred of Jews has taken possession of you. Find an old priest and a young priest before there are no more Catholics.

#3 -

>"Soon the biggest motive/excuse in the world to torture, murder and destroy nations by other stronger nations..."

The biggest excuse has always been power. When religions have little power then Kings, Queens, Dictators and Karl Marx step in to the power void and continue merrily onward.

#4 -

There is a difference between God, JC, Allah and religion.

#5 -

>"Religion is the opium of the masses, and a crutch for the weak-minded...."

And Marx (who you are quoting) is merely a jealous, competitive drug dealer; offering his own own brand of opium and appealing to the same weak-minded crowd - just as addictive, but at a higher price.

#6 -

>"Was this dude JC a heterosexual or homosexual..."

Why does it matter?

You try to convince us you are a 'laid back Californian' - if that was true, it would matter little to you.

Are you perhaps posing as one - but your decidedly 'un-Californian' interest in presenting homosexuality as a 'slight' shows that you don't really think like one?

Where are you really from/at, DUDE?
8

Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/02/2008 06:36:01
GC 6 - JC had a daughter called Sarah, allegedly. The late Diana, Process of Wales was a descendant of JC, again allegedly.
9

CaliforniaBhoy,

26/02/2008 06:38:06
DAhee, looks like you want to pick a fight with everyone.

You, apparently have some kind of inside knowledge that the rest of us don't have. Could that be the result of an Irish Catholic upbringing? Just a wild guess!
10

Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/02/2008 06:38:13
7 - JC wants you for a sunbeam, dude.

"God is a concept by which we measure our pain"
John Lennon - "God".
11

CaliforniaBhoy,

26/02/2008 06:56:07

#3 -

>"Soon the biggest motive/excuse in the world to torture, murder and destroy nations by other stronger nations..."

The biggest excuse has always been power. When religions have little power then Kings, Queens, Dictators and Karl Marx step in to the power void and continue merrily onward.

Spanish Inquisition raise any questions for you. The Crusades? Have you considered the link between religion and the current political state of the nation?

#4 -

There is a difference between God, JC, Allah and religion.

OK! Explain!

#5 -

>"Religion is the opium of the masses, and a crutch for the weak-minded...."

And Marx (who you are quoting) is merely a jealous, competitive drug dealer; offering his own own brand of opium and appealing to the same weak-minded crowd - just as addictive, but at a higher price.

Cite your source on this one!


#6 -

>"Was this dude JC a heterosexual or homosexual..."

Why does it matter?

I think the point he was making is that there is a history of homosexuals being persecuted in countrys that look to Judeo/Christian/Moslem religious tenets!
12

CaliforniaBhoy,

26/02/2008 07:17:55
Computer crashed! All of the last post was for DAhee's consideration and, hopefully, a reasoned response!
13

Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 26/02/2008 07:45:54
If there is no religion, what will people believe in? Man Made Global Warming? Oh, that's a religion also.

All we will do is replace one kind with another, whether faith based or science based. What we shouldn't do, is remove choices though......
14

Guga II,

Rockall 26/02/2008 07:49:31
#7 And here's another quote for you:

"If there is a God, he is a malign thug."


Mark Twain
15

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26/02/2008 08:44:40
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16

Newman!,

26/02/2008 12:15:59
Daithi, can I ask you are you a Rapture Ready christian or a zionist who makes use of these type of people?
17

Roberta Burns,

26/02/2008 13:57:48
16# Deathy is a zionist. Read his posts whenever he crawls out to defend the Israeli terrorist state.

And as, your comments at 7# Dearie me. What to do.
Firstly, for exorcism to have any effect, there must be belief - I pass on that one. Now, if you'd threatened good old-fashioned yankee pistol-whipping, or a round of IDF fire, you might have worried me, but exorcism - You're having a laugh, Deathy.
18

The Midwest,

USA 26/02/2008 14:11:50
They are leaving because they have been bombarded with consumer driven, contemporary bullcrap Megachurches, along with Protestant churches that have forgotten who and what they are.

#4 from Riverside: Wrong buddy. I can assure you that people in "traditional" churches do in fact have a "personal relationship with Jesus" (which is a Western term that was made up in the last century) You probably go to a Calvary Chapel or something. Take a look at church history, my friend. You'll find that the majority of the Western church today looks NOTHING like the church the past 1900 years.

I attend a liturgical, theologically orthodox and conservative Reformed Presbyterian Church, which is very what 'you' would call "traditional", and I assure you, everyone there is a believer in Christ, who have had their sins nailed to the Cross, to the glory of His name, amen.
19

we the people,

26/02/2008 14:13:38
Daithi you are NOT quoting Marx. Your ignorant comments reveal you know nothing about the man's majestic canon so leave off. What he actually said was:
"Religion is the opium of the masses, the sigh of a heavy - laden creature, the heart of a heartless world and the spirit of spiritless times."
i.e a misguided ideological expression of the genuine pain, torment and injury inflicted by capitalism which can nonetheless still provide (fictive) spiritual comfort and in certain circumstances serve as an incubator for radical change (although it can also lead to carnivals of violence and millenarian movements obviously).
The factor that unites most religions is the cultivation of a hatred of life and a glorification of death.
20

Black Beard,

26/02/2008 14:53:39
Keep dreaming Eurotrash. The US is 84% Christian and will not soon change. The atheism and lack of spirituality that currently hold sway in Europe will find very little support in the US.
21

Roberta Burns,

26/02/2008 15:04:11
20# You are, of course, right. For the race that gave us santa and disney, we expect no less. But, you will catch up, though, don't worry.
22

Media 1,

cape town 26/02/2008 15:24:26
Thank goodness America is turning its back on thE monster god entity....its about time!
23

SouthernGent,

26/02/2008 17:01:33
To believe in one religion (this includes atheists) is also to believe that all others are wrong in some way. Common sense dictates that no one way of thinking is 100% correct, therefore all beliefs of superiority are incorrect.
24

Roberta Burns,

26/02/2008 18:15:02
23# WHAT are you on? Atheists do not believe in a supernatural being who makes all the earthly rules. All religious beliefs are wrong.

Common sense should tell you that social rules are created by members of a society. The fact that so many of societies' early leaders used untouchable concepts to underpin their rules was a feature of primitive societies. We now live in more enlightened times and even the believers must be tired waiting for the messiah, or even an answer to a quick prayer. Darfur springs to mind - or, in religious terms, are they considered martyrs? unclean? unbelievers?
25

SouthernGent,

26/02/2008 18:28:34
#24

Atheism is also a belief. Like religion, unable to prove scientifically that it is correct. It can not be proven whether a "God" exists or doesn't exist. Hence, all beliefs are incorrect as there is a 50/50 chance of them being right and wrong.
26

John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 26/02/2008 19:05:42
Whoa! Not so fast!

Before we get all excited about 'America turning its back on religion', let's take a longer look.

To start with, America isn't and never was "a devoutly religious nation" as the Scotsman would have us believe. America always had many people who adhered to their religions and the leaders of America pandered to the religious as leaders everywhere will. (When was the last time Britain had an atheist or agnostic Prime Minister?)

Over the past couple of decades the religious right in America has gained strength - as politicians saw a clear way to manipulate people and claim to be on the side of the angels at the same time. As the religious right's political power grew, it became fashionable for more people to attend church and become good old American, God-fearin' folks.

As the religious right political movement played its hand and revealed itself to be as venal, ignorant and intolerant as most political movements, those good old, American, God fearin' folks began to lose their motivation to attend church every Sunday.

That, more than anything discovered by Pew, is what I believe accounts for the fall in church attendance in certain parts of the United States.
27

Roberta Burns,

26/02/2008 19:15:36
25 SouthernGent: I have to disagree. Athiesm is actually a rejection of blind faith in a man-made concept, and the onus is on the believer to prove the existence of a god.

26# I am in total agreement with you on the rise and fall of the evangelical right wing.
28

Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/02/2008 19:40:17
20 - Jesus wants you too, Teach, for a sunbeam.

"Oh people, what have you done ?
Locked Him in his golden cage,
Made Him bend to your religion,
Him resurrected from the grave."

Ian Anderson - "My God"
29

Media 1,

cape town 26/02/2008 19:47:43
The founding fathers were athiests, Jefferson himself said that if there was any doubt, you surely had to side on the side of reason.
Imagine believing in a thing you cant see, who does that sh!t?
And arent the christians priceless. You see them on the sports fields when they win, dedicating their success to god, yet we never hear them thanking god when they come last. Funny that, how they praise him when they win, but forget to mention him when they looses. How they cross themselves and look skyward when they score a goal, but then when a member of the opposition scores and levels the game, they dont look skyward and thank god for the opponents goal..
And how they put their faith in a book that clearly stipulates that god murdered 2.5 million people, whereas the devil was only responsible for 12 deaths. Weird eh! And we wonder why the world is in the mess it is in...
30

Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 26/02/2008 20:02:40
#25 Southern Gent

"It can not be proven whether a "God" exists or doesn't exist."

It's possible to prove that something exists, including God. No one has managed so far, at least not to my satisfaction. But you're right about not being able to prove that something doesn't exist. This is why many non-believers prefer to call themselves agnostic. But most atheists, including Richard Dawkins, acknowledge this point, but think of their non-belief in God in the same way as their non-belief in Santa Claus.

"Hence, all beliefs are incorrect as there is a 50/50 chance of them being right and wrong."

Interesting logic. I take it that applies to talking bears and sea serpents too.
31

Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 26/02/2008 20:13:53
#29 "Imagine believing in a thing you cant see"

But most of us believe in our own existence and our own free will. But can we prove them to exist? Not believing in God doesn't mean we're free of difficult and perhaps impossible questions.
32

Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/02/2008 21:43:56
29 - Media; A large number of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons, and you cant be both a Freemason and athiest.
33

SouthernGent,

26/02/2008 21:49:04
#27
Why is the onus on the believer? Because you say so? What makes your belief any different than those you oppose? You believe they are wrong and they believe you are wrong and there is no way to declare a winner. If you insist that you are correct, then you must be part of the problem.

#30
I was refering to religious beliefs. I doubt the talking bears, but the ocean is big and deep, so don't know about the sea serpents.
34

Roberta Burns,

26/02/2008 22:37:55
34# It applies to muslims, jews, catholics et al. It gives justification to terrorist activities and irrational claims of superiority, imposing ridiculous rituals which reinforce irrational belief in the very young and nurtured throughout and unquestioning life - all facts in the belief systems of - muslims, jews, catholics et al.

33# I don't think you quite got my point. An atheist accesses facts in preference to blind faith in manmade abstract concept which, as someone mentioned above, glorifies death and villifies life.

It took me nearly 30 years to shake off the fear and the guilt to actually say out loud 'I don't believe'. I like to blame the nuns for that.

The rational world is in a seriously bad way as it is, without adding to it with reference to irrational supernatural ideas.
35

SouthernGent,

26/02/2008 22:58:47
#33

"An atheist accesses facts in preference to blind faith"

And where do these facts come from? Man? Mans facts are based on what we know, not necessarily what is. Mans facts change on a daily basis as he discovers the world around him. We will never, ever know all the facts, as space goes on infinitum. Which means the possibilities are endless. So for now, the argument is still a hypothesis.
36

Roberta Burns,

26/02/2008 23:28:01
36# Accepted. But, it still does not explain why so many, otherwise intelligent and questioning beings, close off all argument and research into facts, by a simple reference to a manmade concept - god. It could just as easily (and was) the sun, the moon
37

SouthernGent,

26/02/2008 23:55:36
#37

Thats a whole other can of worms. Primarily the result of conditioning (brainwashing). Children of this planet don't stand a chance, as they are like sponges and conditioned to their immdeiate environment. A large percentage of people believe what they do because of their parents, especially religion. I/you see it every day, shoot - I still see people in the South flying the rebel flag. Why - because that is all they know.
38

2dogs in D.C.,

27/02/2008 00:05:53
How did that old Russian saying go? "The church is near, but the roads are icy. The tavern is far, but I shall walk carefully".
39

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 27/02/2008 01:14:33
"Americans spurn church as land of evangelicals loses its Christian faith"

.....Poor Benny Hinn, what will become of him?
40

iuris dea ,

27/02/2008 02:04:18
"..in a land where Bible thumpers have held sway for centuries and Christian evangelicals have dominated White House politics for almost a decade.."

And who does Richard Luscombe, who wrote this story, think were 'Bible thumpers' that held sway?
Got any names?

And who are the Christian evangelicals who dominated the White House Politics?
Got any names?
(George Bush is a Methodist.)

This story is too fluffed up and does not accurately represent the true poll data of America and religion.

There is a responsibility of a news editor to report names when a newspaper writes this kind of journalism. The basics of journalism are the who, what, when, where, why and how. Richard Luscombe has forgotten an important element of reporting: who.

Who, Mr. Luscombe, are the evangelicals and the Bible thumpers who held sway over the White House?
Since the United States has separation of church and state, we should be aware of who these individuals are.
I trust you can provide your readers with specificity.
Thank you.
41

American Reader,

Edmond 27/02/2008 02:27:57
I'm an American and WHERE do YOU reporters get your information????? Your article is soooooo far from the truth, just a load of bull from a load of atheists.
42

Let's have the truth,

27/02/2008 07:38:07
#42

"I'm an American and WHERE do YOU reporters get your information?"

.....Here:-

""It seems in keeping with the high tolerance among Americans for change," said Luis Lugo, the director of the Pew Forum, which monitors public attitudes and policy towards the nation's many diverse faiths".
43

Martha,

27/02/2008 08:40:40
This article is an example of very questionable statistics, compiled by heaven only knows who, and now spread around the world as fact. Clearly no one has visited or lived in the USA, or he/she would be well aware that religion is alive and well here. There are at least six million Jews, six million muslims, and millions upon millions of Christians of all denominations. Also, there are Buddhists, Hindus, and people practicing Santaria and voodoo. There are Wiccans and Pagans and even Satanists. Some mainstream churches are growing. However, as populations move, some churches necessarily must close; this does not mean religion is diminishing. Where I'm living, new churches, temples and other religious edifices are being built. Does that sound like religion is moribund?
44

Martha,

27/02/2008 08:48:57
"Land of evangelicals loses its religious faith"-- this is total bovine biomass. More than 80 percent of Americans describe themselves as Christians who believe in God, even if they are not affiliated with any particular sect. Not only is Christianity the dominant religion here, we export it to south Asia and to Africa, where it is growing. Right now Christianity is the world's predominant religion, and a great deal of its support comes from America.

The true story is an increase among unaffiliated Christians, NOT a decrease in their number. American is a land of community Christian churches that are not affiliated with mainstream organized sects like Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Baptists or Methodists. These free churches are very popular and well-attended, and based on the number being built, they appear to be establishing themselves as a permanent feature. People attend them for a sense of community as well as personal religious experience. The largest Christian community in Los Angeles, for example, is just such a church. Why don't you conduct some real investigation of the facts instead of latching onto a highly biased and mostly inaccurate news release and reprinting it as the truth?
45

Rampant Warrior,

27/02/2008 15:11:13
18


Halllayyylooooyaaaahhh.
46

Hickory,

US 27/02/2008 15:36:29
The reason people are turning away is simple... MONEY! Most religious gatherings today begin with the priest/pastor starting for a call for money. Church has turned into big business. We stopped going to church when a while back the pastor spent his whole sermon on tithing. He makes very good money. I guess his God has a price, mine has compassion.
47

Rampant Warrior,

27/02/2008 15:38:56
Posters

At some time if you get the chance have a read of Dawkins "The God Delusion".

It could overcome peoples doubts in their particular religeous belief/s.

Also a quote I can never forget, from an American
Robert Maynard Pirsig - "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."

It's quite simple really.
48

Rampant Warrior,

27/02/2008 15:52:33
What happens if Obama gets into power? Moves to Convert the US to Islam!

PS If he does get into power and has crossed words with the Dalai Lama would the incident be refered to as the "Obama Lama ding-dong"?
49

Reckless,

EU = Sodom & Gomorrah 27/02/2008 16:53:10
#1 The idea that God is here, there and everywhere is just a load of made up CoE nonsense.

The only true church on this earth is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints. Come and investigate for yourself, then you'll realise that God does exist.

As for #2, people like her are the reason the world is in this terrible state. She clearly can't even think for herself.

50

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 27/02/2008 17:36:18
years ago the United Nations hired Gorbachev of Russia to develop a new religion. He did this while living in San Francisco. He developed a school curriculum to indoctrinate children in this new religion, it is ready for use all over the world. The people that rule the world behind the scenes have an agenda to discredit all religions and impose their own religion on us afterwards.

Americans are now less likely to want to attend church & less likely to affiliate with a church. That does not mean they don't have a strong affinity to christian faith. They do, just as they always have. The churches are institutions of man and they are failing, just like all the institutions of man.
51

Pilrig.,

Livingston 27/02/2008 20:35:00
51 - All things must pass, including the auld rugged cross, the crescent, and for poster 50, Joe Smith's magic goggles.
52

Doreen,

The Cyber Shebeen 27/02/2008 20:45:23
50...Aye that'l be right..look what happened to the Osmonds after Crazy Horses..they went all Mormon on us and it was utter guff after that....think the faither took umbridge cos it was too rock and roll....
53

britfree,

camelon 28/02/2008 01:03:32
iwas almost going to say "honest to God" but y'know what i mean . jews for jesus are " appearing " in a falkirk church ( the nutsy one across from the polis ) i'll be the one with the palestinian flag
54

Dáithí,

San Jose 28/02/2008 05:21:12
#11 – CB

I said:

“When religions have little power then Kings, Queens, Dictators and Karl Marx step in…"

CB Replied:

“Spanish Inquisition raise any questions for you. The Crusades?"

My answer:

CB, I never questioned the abuses of religion. I stated that when they have little power Kings, Queens and Marx step in to continue abusing the less powerful. Abuse of power isn’t restricted to religion, or those empowered under the guise of religion.

------

I said:

There is a difference between God, JC, Allah and religion.

CB said:

OK! Explain!

My answer:

Don’t be under the impression that you can demand anything of me. This is a forum. Ask next time.

------------

Guga II said:

>"Religion is the opium of the masses, and a crutch for the weak-minded...."

I replied:

And Marx (who you are quoting) is merely a jealous, competitive drug dealer; offering his own brand of opium and appealing to the same weak-minded crowd - just as addictive, but at a higher price.

CB demanded:

Cite your source on this one!

My answer:

See above. You are in no position to demand anything of anyone.

Once you understand that you are on a peer-to-peer forum then we’ll have a nice chat.
55

Dáithí,

San Jose 28/02/2008 05:24:32
#16 - Newman!

>"Daithi, can I ask you are you a Rapture Ready christian or a zionist who makes use of these type of people?"

Can I ask if you are interested in what I really am or just some w@nker that wants to put me into the only two groups he understands?
56

Dáithí,

San Jose 28/02/2008 05:30:27
#17 - Rabbi Burns

> Deathy is a zionist. Read his posts whenever he crawls out to defend the Israeli terrorist state.

Curiously, you keep failing to mention that I supported money for the Palestinians earlier here on 'The Scotsman'

The same forum where we removed your 'anti-Zionist' veil when I pointed out that you kept typing in 'Jews' instead of 'Zionists'.

You've been exposed ever since and are now merely showing us a lame effort at 'damage control'.
57

Dáithí,

San Jose 28/02/2008 05:35:23
#19 - WTP

>"Daithi you are NOT quoting Marx. Your ignorant comments reveal you know nothing about the man's majestic canon so leave off."

Hahaha, I wasn't 'quoting him - GUGA II was! Re-read post #5! I was responding to HIS quote.

Thanks for proving that the only people that 'adore' Marx are the one's that don't understand him!

58

Dáithí,

San Jose 28/02/2008 05:39:13
#9 - CB

>"Could that be the result of an Irish Catholic upbringing? Just a wild guess!"

Who says that I'm a Catholic?

Try this and find out what YOU are.

http://www.speakout.com/ActivismTools/selectors/religion/
59

adsullata,

pdx 02/03/2008 00:14:06
Roberta you make me sad. I feel compassion for you as you must have a very empty, hate filled life indeed.

As for the rest this is where I say who cares what or whom you believe in. As long as you have a faith and live your life as a good person, what does the title you bare on your chest matter. Perhaps if we paid less attention to people's titles and more attention to their actions this world would reshape itself.

 

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