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DR JAMES WILKIE, from Vienna, climbs every mountain



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ALTERNATIVE TAKE

ALLAN Hall's report (20 May) on local resistance to converting the Trapp family home in Salzburg into a "Sound of Music hotel" indicates the distaste with which the film is widely regarded in Austria.
I knew several members of the Trapp Family Singers and not one of them was prepared to say a good word about "that film", which they regarded as a complete travesty.

To begin with, the Trapps were never persecuted by the Nazis. Baron von Trapp was
a famous Austro-Hungarian submarine commander in the First World War. Hitler offered him the command of Germany's latest U-boat to get him on board as a figurehead for the new regime. Trapp refused and took the family choir on a foreign tour. Like the rest of the Austrian aristocracy, Baron von Trapp was a monarchist and Austrian patriot, and regarded Hitler and his gang as guttersnipes.

As a portrayal of Austria the film is about as accurate as Brigadoon is of Scotland. The music is pure Hollywood – there is not a single item that was ever sung by the Trapps, who performed only genuine Austrian folk music.

And the famous flight over the mountains never took place. When Hitler annexed Austria in March 1938 the Trapps were on tour in America, and just never went back. After a struggle to prevent deportation, they eventually settled in Vermont, where the new generation runs the family farm to this day.





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  • Last Updated: 20 May 2008 10:07 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Carolyn 1,

21/05/2008 03:32:38
Actually, the Trapps do not have a 'farm', it's a wonderful family lodge in Stowe, which is a mountain area of Vermont that has a very Bavarian feel. They have a few thousand acres of ski and hiking trails.
The location is breath taking.
The family members who run it are very friendly and make visitors feel comfortably at home. Because of that, the lodge would be popular even if the name were not famous. Sometime it's just the ambiance and people that make something special and worthwhile and the history is mute.
You should come for a visit, we'll give you a big welcome!
2

Dáithí,

San Jose 21/05/2008 05:11:34
Yeah, everyone complains that THEIR story wasn't done 'historically accurately', boo-hoo.

If you could convince worldwide audiences to forgo bright, uplifting, passionate and sometimes powerful dramatizations inspired by events for thin, historically accurate documentaries of Austrian monarchists singing authentic folk songs then Hollywood would be out of business, wouldn't they?

Until you can, quit complaining.
3

Boy Wonder,

21/05/2008 10:46:01
Wasn't this story run yesterday????
4

Boy Wonder,

21/05/2008 10:49:55
Just checked. The above article was a contributing post on yesterday's story online.

Grasping at straws to extend your articles, aren't you, Hootsmon?
5

James Donald,

Newbridge 21/05/2008 12:16:27
#4 Boy Wonder - I wonder if Dr Wilkie yet realises that he has been "elevated" to the status of freelance journalist.
Perhaps they should offer him a position as his posts are usually a good deal more interesting than those of the Scotsman journalists.
6

Dáithí,

San Jose 21/05/2008 15:33:05
James -

>"I wonder if Dr Wilkie yet realises that he has been "elevated" to the status of freelance journalist."

I was wondering about that also (??)
7

Dr. James Wilkie,

Vienna 21/05/2008 16:01:28
#1. Sorry about my use of the word "farm". Dr. Rupert von Trapp, who had been one of the junior members of the Trapp Family Singers, used to phone me and visit me in the Hofburg Palace, when he repeatedly invited me to visit the Lodge. So I actually know all about it. I published biographical sketches of all the family members in the government magazine Austria Today. I haven't managed to see the Lodge yet, but if I do manage to get across the Pond it will be one of my priority ports of call.

#3-6. I suggested to The Scotsman that the story behind the film might be of wider interest than just to the online community, but I envisaged it in a less truncated form. And the headline was definitely not my idea!

And so I am off for four days mountaineering in the Alps. I don't have an iPod, but if I had you can guess the tune I would be playing.

8

James Donald,

Newbridge 21/05/2008 16:19:20
#7 Dr. James Wilkie,Vienna - "I don't have an iPod, but if I had you can guess the tune I would be playing" - Don't tell me it would be Edelweiß......
I am glad you did not mention Ritter von Trapp's participation in the Boxer Rebellion as there seem to be a lot of Chinese nationalist/communist trolls on the site of late. Oops...I've done it now.....
9

Dáithí,

San Jose 21/05/2008 16:41:19
#8 -

>"I don't have an iPod, but if I had you can guess the tune I would be playing."

Viewing the atricles title, I'm guessing that it would be 'Climb every Mountain' - from the disdained 'Hollywood' version of the vonTrapp's life and NOT some 'authentic Austrian folk-songs'?

Hollywood must be smarter than we are willing to admit, eh?
10

James Donald,

Newbridge 21/05/2008 18:40:56
#9 Dáithí,San Jose - "Hollywood must be smarter than we are willing to admit, eh?" - Nah. It produces mindless pap for burger-munching zombies. Far better films come out of Europe.
11

Dáithí,

San Jose 21/05/2008 20:38:09
Again James, your insecurities only allow you to see everything in an American v Europe context. Just about everyone makes good (and bad) movies.

I assume that this is merely a diversion on your part to aviod the point that our Dr. Wilke alluded to a song by the disdained, American movie (inferred by his article title)?

Kind'o an interesting point, wouldn't you think? ;)
12

James Donald,

Newbridge 22/05/2008 06:47:09
#11 Dáithí,San Jose - Assume what you like. Holywood films are not exactly known for their historical accuracy. Problem with that is that this is often de facto re-writing of history such as the film "U-571", excused with the feeble "its only a work of fiction" excuse.
13

webby,

22/05/2008 10:09:54
#12 James Donald-- Typical myopic snobbery that carves up pat and tidy dichotomies 'Europe good/Hollywood baaad' and presumes to know the terms on which all viewers enter. You're clearly judging a Hollywood musical on criteria it's not meant to be judged by. As far as the SOM hotel goes... SOM was a musical more inspired by the von Trapp story rather than an historical film of the family.

"The music is pure Hollywood – there is not a single item that was ever sung by the Trapps, who performed only genuine Austrian folk music."
It's a Rodgers and Hammerstein musical. What do you expect?

14

James Donald,

Newbridge 22/05/2008 10:32:02
#13 webby - Astonishing that all this was clear to you from a 40-odd word post where I don't even mention the Sound of Music. Perhaps you have eyesight problems also, seeing things that are not there.
I am well aware that the Sound of Music was not a documentary so if you have a problem with the article, take it up with Dr Wilkie. My problem is with films such as the one I mentioned "U-571" - of course it is intended as entertainment for the American masses but would it be less entertaining if the story was closer to the truth?
15

Dáithí,

San Jose 22/05/2008 15:25:17
James -

>"Holywood films are not exactly known for their historical accuracy."

Every country makes films that play with 'historical accuracy'.

How many people would be buying tickets to see an Austrian monarchist lamenting the end of the House of Habsburg singing Austrian folk tunes while buying a farm in Vermont?
16

James Donald,

Newbridge 22/05/2008 16:08:50
#15 Dáithí,San Jose - The Sound of Music was a pretty naff film story-wise but it was a vehicle for Rogers and Hamersteins' music and showed the beautiful Austrian scenery. Historical accuracy was perhaps not vital in this film but, by the same token, would not have harmed it either.
Other Holywood "blockbusters" such as "U-571" and "The Patriot" are frankly ridiculous. Maybe every country makes films that play with "historical accuracy" but holyrood seems to specialise in historical falsehood, all in the name of entertainment.
17

Dáithí,

San Jose 22/05/2008 16:28:23
>"but holyrood seems to specialise in historical falsehood, all in the name of entertainment."

I don't see them doing any more of this than anyone else - only that there seems to be a bigger market for American films, perhaps making these more obvious.

I prefer historical accuracy in pictures like 'Michael Collins', 'Braveheart', etc, but I try to look at it from the perspective that, at least, millions of people that never would have been introduced to Michael Collins and William Wallace now have.

Instead of focusing on the negative, I try to find a bit of positive in it.
18

James Donald,

Newbridge 22/05/2008 16:46:10
#17 Dáithí,San Jose - "I don't see them doing any more of this than anyone else - only that there seems to be a bigger market for American films, perhaps making these more obvious" - You don't see.......Can you name any European film as blatantly false as "U-571"?
From the BBC:
"U-571 writer regrets 'distortion'"
""It was a distortion... a mercenary decision to create this parallel history in order to drive the movie for an American audience," he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5263164.stm
Seems Americans are reluctant to watch something unless it has an American angle.

"at least, millions of people that never would have been introduced to Michael Collins and William Wallace now have" - I suppose that is one angle but far better for people to learn about these things at school. As long as the money rolls in, who gives a stuff about history? (not Holywood).
19

Dáithí,

San Jose 22/05/2008 16:53:22
James, you yourself agreed that they all do this (Post #16 - Maybe every country makes films that play with "historical accuracy"), you are now merely fading into your 'Europe is better than the US' stuff that detours from objective analysis.

I'll leave here agreeing with your statement -

'maybe every country makes films that play with "historical accuracy".
20

James Donald,

Newbridge 22/05/2008 16:56:33
#19 Dáithí,San Jose - I'll take this as a "no" to my question "Can you name any European film as blatantly false as "U-571"?".
As you seemed to have missed this part of my post #16 I will leave you with "holyrood seems to specialise in historical falsehood, all in the name of entertainment".

21

Dáithí,

San Jose 23/05/2008 18:05:15
First off, I see that instead of pointing out the innacuracies of 'Braveheart', you have chosen a film about Nazi's.

Second, the French Film 'Artemisia' (1997) fits the bill nicely -

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123385/

Quote from critics - "The film Artemisia claims to be about Artemisia Gentileschi, but it's riddled with inaccuracies to the point of being blatantly false."

http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/gentileschiartemisia/Gentileschi_Artemisia.htm

Third, you don't notice this because WHO WATCHED IT??

I got this film from a google of 'Europe', 'historical innacuracies', 'films', and 'movies' - this film starts with an "A" and was the first one up!

And no, I'm not going to post the entire alphabet of historically innacurate European films.

BTW James - why, being a Scot, would you take issue with historical innacuracies in "U-571" over "Braveheart"? ;)
22

James Donald,

Newbridge 23/05/2008 19:27:25
#21 Dáithí,San Jose - "First off, I see that instead of pointing out the innacuracies of 'Braveheart', you have chosen a film about Nazi's" - The film "U-571" is no more "about the Nazis" than "The Longest Day", so I do not see what point you are trying to make (probably none going on past experience). I am sure I don't have to point out the "inaccuracies" of "Braveheart" to you but the absence of a bridge in the portrayal of the battle of Stirling Bridge is the most obvious one. At least Braveheart told a story of an actual Scottish patriot (and didn't make him American - that would have been inaccurate) - U-571 is nonsense that gives the impression that US navy captured the enigma when the historical truth is that this was a feat accomplished by the Royal Navy.
"And no, I'm not going to post the entire alphabet of historically innacurate European films" - Since it has taken you some time to find one very obscure film, then I should hope not. Even pensioners have better things to do with their time eh? If you are bored though try Google for "Holywood historical innacuracies, films, and movies".

23

Dáithí,

San Jose 24/05/2008 03:51:25
>"Since it has taken you some time to find one very obscure film..."

When you google European Movies, obscure films is pretty much what you get. ;)

That's really the point - you're complaining that American moves are more glaring because more people see them.
24

James Donald,

Newbridge 24/05/2008 08:22:57
#23 Dáithí,San Jose - Since you don't really have much of an argument (surprise, surprise), you resort to this "my one's bigger than your one" guff. More people might watch the new Indiana Jones movie than most British and European film but this does not mean that it is anything other than mindless papp. Enjoy.
25

Dáithí,

San Jose 24/05/2008 14:34:42
Again, you show the inability to grasp simple ponits James, but we are soooo used to that.

It's not that mine's bigger, it's just that yours is so little that even the guys in the Pegasus Bar are embarassed for you and won't let you in. ;)
26

James Donald,

Newbridge 24/05/2008 14:50:07
#25 Dáithí,San Jose - The Royal "we" again from the chap with the big ego; perhaps your big ego is overcompensation for something else - consult your shrink for an answer.
I don't go to the Pegasus Bar very often as it is hundreds of miles away but always get a warm welcome there (try it the next time you are in Aldershot; you will love it, although I warn you, bearing in mind you are a pensioner, that there are no seats. They are sure to love you).
Are you taking your wife to the Indiana Jones film? I hear it is mindless papp that all the family can enjoy - just put your mind in neutral (shouldn't be too hard for you) and let it wash over you.
Just for the record, there are no ponits here for you to grasp.
27

Dáithí,

San Jose 24/05/2008 15:05:50
>"Just for the record, there are no ponits here for you to grasp."

Of course not - it's a conversation with you, isn't it? ;)
28

James Donald,

Newbridge 24/05/2008 17:09:28
#27 Dáithí,San Jose - Perhaps you can advise what a ponit is Dafty.
29

Dáithí,

San Jose 24/05/2008 21:47:11
It's a typo James, only important to wee company clerks - you know, the nerdy little paper-pushers that are infatuated with mineutia like that because they have nothing else going for them and aren't allowed out on the battle-line because they might hurt themselves or someone else.

Guys like you.

Don't worry, I know that like a b!tchy old woman you need to have the last word, so go for it. I won't bother to read.
30

James Donald,

Newbridge 24/05/2008 23:01:07
#29 Dáithí,San Jose - Now, now Granpa...fossilised retired mickey mouse firemen have to watch their blood pressure and throwing a strop like this is bad for you. Did you join the fire service to avoid being drafted and sent to Vietnam or did you go to Canada? Must have seen a lot of action on the battle line being the fire department tea boy.

Talking of bitchy old women, how is the wife? No offfence caused because you're not reading this, right?

 

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