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Whisky industry: Distillers' glass half full despite taxman's big sip



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As a leading Scottish economist hits out at the Treasury over the Budget tax rise on whisky Mark McLaughlin examines how damaging the move could be to the industry.
AFTER a decade of relatively amiable treatment by the taxman the Scotch whisky industry claims Chancellor Alistair Darling's first budget has got them over a barrel.

Last month, Scotch Whisky Association chief executive Gavin Hewitt said Scottish
distillers were "astonished" by the Chancellor's decision to raise the duty on spirit sales by nine per cent, claiming it would reduce revenue, hit international competitiveness and set a damaging precedent that export markets may follow.

The increase comes after a ten-year freeze in spirit duties, partly in response to Scottish Executive lobbying to protect the nation's chief export.

Much of that lobbying was done by a largely Westminster-friendly Scottish Labour administration, but now that the tax freeze has thawed and the Scottish nationalists are in charge the response has been scathing.

SNP finance secretary John Swinney called the tax rise "savage" and "punitive" – echoing the SWA's sentiments almost word-for-word.

While Scottish Labour leader Wendy Alexander tries to hold the Union together in the face of the SNP's separatist onslaught, it hasn't stopped her husband having a go at the Treasury for the "damaging" above-inflation increase.

Economics professor Brian Ashcroft, who has just stepped down as policy director of the Fraser of Allander Institute at University of Strathclyde, has predicted the levy will result in Scotch whisky sales falling by about nine per cent over five years.

He said: "The Scottish Government has been ridiculed for arguing for price rises to combat alcohol abuse, while at the same time lobbying the Treasury to lower excise duty on whisky.

"There is clearly an ethical dilemma here. Alcohol abuse is a growing problem in Scotland but Scotch whisky is our principal net exporter, and a major provider of jobs and income."

He suggests a fairer way to tax alcohol and safeguard public health would be to equalise beer and wine duty upwards, which would cut beer sales by around a tenth, wines sales by just under a fifth and keep spirit sales relatively buoyant with just a two per cent drop.

He added: "With a little economic knowledge we could come closer to resolving our ethical dilemma, without damaging a key industry."

However, the Treasury was not impressed by Mr Ashcroft's suggestion – issuing a single-line response which puts the Scotch whisky industry's protestations of poverty in perspective: "Ninety per cent of all Scottish whisky is exported, so it will not be affected by the duty increase."

Scotland produces a billion bottles of whisky every year, but only 100 million of those are sold in the UK – the industry's third largest market. Tax is only levied on UK alcohol sales, so the predicted nine per cent drop in sales would amount to less than one per cent of total sales worldwide.

The SWA has countered by claiming the increase will amount to a 30 per cent tax increase by 2013 and cull their investments in Scottish operations. But it claims the most profound aspect of the new levy is the "potentially damaging message" it sends to export markets.

The SWA has been engaged in a long battle with Indian authorities to overturn a tax burden it claims can be as high as 550 per cent over there, and has just won a similar battle in Japan.

An SWA spokesman said: "One of the criticisms that was increasingly levelled to us by Japanese authorities is that they were only reflecting the high taxation that we have in the UK.

"Now that the tax-freeze has been removed in our home market and taxation is rising, it sends the message that large duty increases on Scotch Whisky are acceptable."

He added: "Professor Ashcroft is right that the Government could support the competitiveness of Scotch Whisky while modernising the tax system.

"We have long argued that all drinks should be taxed on the same basis, according to alcohol content. Not only would this remove the discrimination faced by Scotch Whisky in its home market, it reflects that beer, wine and spirits share one characteristic – they all contain alcohol."

However, the SWA freely admits that the industry is experiencing a long period of international growth, and while the domestic market remains "challenging" the Chancellor may be forgiven for attempting to co-opt part of this success for greater investment in the welfare state.

Mr Darling said that the increased revenues from alcohol would go towards tackling child poverty, supporting families and providing help to vulnerable members of society.

With the financial and economic costs of alcohol abuse hitting £110m per year to the NHS, and costing Scotland £1.1bn as a whole, perhaps a 0.9 per cent dip in Scotland's international whisky market is a small price to pay if Mr Darling's revenue forecasts prove to be correct.





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  • Last Updated: 10 April 2008 12:17 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Farmernot,

oan ma traictor 10/04/2008 10:52:29
Utter b******s......no rise in duty over the last 10 years while prices of scotch have risen in line with inflation.........also the industry has been singing from the rooftops about increased demand resulting in new distilleries being opened to cope with the demand from Russia, China and India.
Ask any farmer who grows barley for the distilling industry.....they are paying top whack for barley now and also offering 3-5 year deals to get barley grown for them to cope with the demand.........The SWA are just whinging prats.
2

Calum Crubag,

Dùn Eideann 10/04/2008 10:58:39
#1 - aye, so this gives the London govt the right to tax us to the hilt? Imagine if France or Spain taxed their own native drinks to this level. It is galling that your country's own national drink is more expensive at home than abroad.
3

The Answer,

Glasgow 10/04/2008 11:05:12
"2 Calum Crubag,Dùn Eideann 10/04/2008 10:58:39"

How much whisky tax do the tax payers in Scotland pay to Westminister?
4

Tynietiger,

10/04/2008 11:39:12
When will the Treasury tell us the truth about the amount of money they have received from North Sea Oil and Whisky over the past 30 years?
5

paulr,

edinburgh 10/04/2008 11:47:40
Economics professor Brian Ashcroft says
"There is clearly an ethical dilemma here"

he is having laugh, ethics have nothing to do with it this is all about MONEY, PROFITS, shareholders DIVIDENDS.
6

Jwil,

10/04/2008 12:17:43
The Herald managed to get a report in about the latest opinion poll on independence. No sign of it here or in the Scotsman. Why?
7

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 10/04/2008 12:26:58
It is absolutely criminal that you can buy a decent bottle of Scotch in Warsaw for a fraction of what it costs here.

The duty on whiskey should be a tenth of what it is now.
8

pencildick,

over at the HERALD 10/04/2008 12:32:36
#6
Because this is the so called "scotsman".

Definitely NOT user friendly towards SCOTLANDS NATIONAL PARTY.

This is a paper only good for bum wiping.
9

boudica,

Glasgow 10/04/2008 12:36:05
6 ..because most people in Scotland are bored to death with Polls and the Independence Question Why ? because most dont want it ...as for the Whiskey trade ...No worries there as it is doing well , they got away with a 10 yr freeze and now its time to pay just like all the rest ..It wont kill the trade , it may cut the drinking of it by locals but the Export Trade is booming ..How do I know this I have family who work in it and Whiskey and Oil money from Scotland dont keep The UK afloat as they have Oil revenue from abroad ..something the SNP firget to mention and we get our Share ...
10

Edward,

10/04/2008 12:38:30
Just to understand how excise and VAT are calculated
(there is no actual Duty as such)
Excise is calculated at £ 21.35 per Litre alcohol
So for a 1 ltre bottle with 43% proof the Excise will be £ 9.18. For a 75 cl bottle it will be £ 6.89
Then VAT is added at 17.5% of the Distillery door price plus the Excise. So on a 1 ltre bottle that has a Distillery price of say £ 1.50 (this is jt for illustration) then the VAT would be (£9.18+£1.50)
= £ 1.87 making the 1 ltre bottle cost £ 12.55 at the distillery door. On top of that you have to add profit,transport cost, retailer profit etc
11

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10/04/2008 12:44:16
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12

Busymale,

10/04/2008 12:49:12
Why is the tax so high? To pay for the inflated government sector of course.

It's about time we campaigned against the tax levvy across the board and not just on whisky. This is just a minute point to a bigger issue.

Role on Independence.
13

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10/04/2008 13:25:51
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14

The Answer,

Glasgow 10/04/2008 13:51:01
£46 million whisky duty/tax raised from scotland domiciled whisky drinkers (8% of the total)
tinyurl.com/5bhox7
15

Edward,

10/04/2008 14:21:28
I wonder why my comment which refered to the new poll on Independence has been removed from #11??
Just to repeat :
The survey found 41% of those questioned approved of Scotland becoming independent - only slightly less than the 43% who disapproved of such a move.
For a more unbiased approach to the News, its better to read the Herald
16

Edward,

10/04/2008 14:27:32
#14 The Answer,Glasgow
Good link!
Im looking at tab 2, but cant see the £ 46 million, is that a total of all years?
17

Merouane,

Edinburgh 10/04/2008 15:21:43
#15. Did you really only mention that poll result in that post? That's increadible if the EEN is now removing posts that show a high level of support for independence, never mind refusing to publish a story in the first place.
18

Edward,

10/04/2008 15:53:29
#17 Merouane,Edinburgh
Certainly did
I saw reference to the article at post #6, but no link
so I put part about the percentages and link at post #11, straight after my comment at #10
Im surprised as there was nothing that contravened normal 'forum regs'
19

Union is Best,

10/04/2008 15:57:06
Typical Nat grievance, griping and fostering fights with Westminster. Who is this Ashcroft guy anyway - clearly a closet Nat.
20

Edward,

10/04/2008 16:04:04
#2 Calum Crubag,Dùn Eideann
THe difference between duty/excise in Scotland compared with duty/excise in France,Italy, Portugal and Spain, who are all spirits producers is becoming not just huge, but an embaressment!
Scotland is the largest Spirits producer in the UK, it has a unique product, on par with the wines and spirits produced in europe, yet the cost to anyone buying a bottle of Whisky is unacceptably high.
We should also consider the tourist market, tourist to Scotland in the main want to sample what is produced in Scotland and probably take away a bottle or two, just as we all do when visiting France, Spain or Portugal. The difference is that its just to expensive and is now a joke that its actually cheaper to buy a good bottle of whisky in Spain, Portugal or France, than it is in Scotland.
Yes the Whisky industry is doing rather well with overseas markets, but the home market should also be considered
21

Shuggie,

Canada 10/04/2008 16:33:45
#20--"cheaper to buy a good bottle of whisky"etc--and in N America. Is there no way to allow visitors to consume duty-free while on holiday? Would do wonders for the tourist industry!
22

Jackie Priest,

10/04/2008 16:43:59
#9

Nah, most people are very excited by the independence question, which is also reflected by the fact that the polls are showing a continued increase in favour of independence, which will very soon be a majority.

By the way, why do you call yourself after the East Anglian tribal leader of the Iceni who had absolutely nothing to do with the ancient Kingdom of Strathclyde which is where you're writing from and apparently live.

Boudica was from Norfolk. The Iceni had nothing to do with the Kingdom of Strathclyde.

Some scholars reckon that the name Wallace derives from the royal family of the Kingdom of Strathclyde, which has led some historians to believe that William Wallace was a descendent of the royal household of Strathclyde, which is possibly the reason why Wallace was something of a person of stature in his day.

So, you ought to change your name to Wallace in order to reflect something of the historical reality of where you're from, which appears to be what you're going for with Boudica which is, however, completely inaccurate and inappropriate to anyone outside of Eastern England.

Boudica has nothing to do with you or anyone in Scotland whatsoever. Scotland in her lifetime was distinct from Southern Briton as the Kingdom of the Picts. The Kingdom of the Picts was the basis for modern Scotland and is the one that the Romans built a wall to contain while Boudica's tribe were staging their failed rebellion and largely being absorbed into a Roman way of life which Pictland developed in complete separation.

The Kingdom of Strathclyde, by the way, was conquered by the Scots and absorbed into the emergent nation of Scotland around about the 11th century.


23

The Answer,

Glasgow 10/04/2008 16:53:26
Is not duty £5.49 a bottle ?
24

The Answer,

Glasgow 10/04/2008 16:54:02
#16

re Tab 2

288,299 hectolitres whisky (25%)
64,419 hectolitres Ready to Drink AlcoPops etc (6%)
802,033 hectolitres imported and others gin rum etc (69%)
1,154,751 hectolitres spirits

2,256 billion revenue from all spirits

563 million from whisky (25% of 2,256 billion)

Scotland's population 8% of UK total
£45 million whisky tax Scotland (8% of UK)

as whisky is Scotlands national drink, one might assume a bigger % of whisky drank in Scotland and a smaller % of other spirits consumed in Scotland

£51 million whisky tax Scotland (9% of UK consumption)
£56 million whisky tax Scotland (10% of UK consumption)
£62 million whisky tax Scotland (11% of UK consumtion)

I understand that an SNP government will make Scotland more attractive and reduce whisky tax, £46 million whisky tax one assumes will fall upon independence.

tinyurl.com/5bhox7
25

Queen D,

Glasgow 10/04/2008 16:58:56
Did someone mention a poll on the support for independence being almost equal to the anti brigade?
Not 41% to 43% was it ????
Yipee!
26

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10/04/2008 17:13:30
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27

Edward,

10/04/2008 17:26:17
Why is this idiot of a moderator removing comments?????
Is this some kind of joke???
Posting #26 was only providing excise rate for Whisky, what is wrong with that????
also the link to HM Customs & Revenue, what is wrong with that????
Appreciate if the moderator can e-mail me with reasons or state on here why they are removing coments!!
28

Edward,

10/04/2008 17:26:54
THE EXCISE RATE FOR WHISKY IS £ 21.35 PER LITRE ALCOHOL
29

Edward,

10/04/2008 17:29:40
http://tinyurl.com/33t7ut
30

The Spook in Leith,

Leith 10/04/2008 17:34:16
#24 The Answer,Glasgow 10/04/2008 16:54:02

Lord Foulkes, stop blogging and spamming the forum. For a list MSP you are an utter embarrassment to your Labour party. Go and do some work for your constituents, we the public to not pay you to sit at a PC all day telling fibs to us Cyber Nats..!!!!

#25 Quuen D

Scottish Opinion poll in the Daily Mail has shown that support for Independence has grown by ten points since the SNP took power. The poll has independence as neck and neck with the status quo.

The survey found 41% of those questioned approved of Scotland becoming independent - only slightly less than the 43% who disapproved of such a move.

Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said the poll put support for independence and the status quo at "neck and neck"

Progressive Scottish Opinion carried out the survey, questioning 1,112 people between April 2 and 8.

Ms Sturgeon said: "The poll shows a surge in support for independence of 10 points since last summer, and is now running neck and neck with the status quo

#Indeed we are on the up and up. we are the people.
31

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10/04/2008 17:56:50
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32

Calum Crubag,

10/04/2008 17:58:43
The Answer - thanks for your... answer. £46m! That's what we Scots give to London for our national drink.

I look forward to drinking a cheaper malt under indpendence and thus contributing to jobs here, and through a reasonable tax towards our parliament. Rather that than our tax money gobbled up by London's corruption and warmongering.
33

Ciderman 542000,

Forres 10/04/2008 18:03:07
Vote SNP, because they will reduce the duty on Whisky?
When I hear Salmond say that he will reduce the tax on Whisky I will believe that he might, would, could intend to. But, he won't, he would rather sit on the sidelines and carp about the level of duty now, knowing that he cannot do anything about it, implying that if HE had the ability to reduce it he would. But, then it is obvious that Salmond is nothing, but, a hypocrite.
34

Jackie Priest,

10/04/2008 18:19:41
#31 and 33

Yeah, and I suppose being a unionist, clinging on to some concocted airy-fairy ideal of British supremecy, makes you the most imaginative, mature and adequate person on God's own earth.

News for you Ciderman. Your boorish, self-righteous, pompous, intellectually vacant bluster is nothing more than closet cowardice on a variety of levels.







35

Lawnmower Man,

10/04/2008 18:25:06
spook in leith

interesting reading in your comment. independence is a more popular option now that we have the snp in power

ciderman forres

what a horrible and obnoxious person you are. who gives you the right to make a comment like that? are you the typical labour voter who can only see good in an increasing dilapidated labour party. your comment says more about you than for the person it was intended for. so do appear to be a lonely little sole in a big bad world
36

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10/04/2008 18:30:18
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37

Ciderman 542000,

Forres 10/04/2008 19:07:23
Jackie Priest # 34

You are the one who is accepting "British supremecy," (sic) as you put it. I don't have to answer to you for what I perceive about others posting here. What is self righteous about what I posted. Millport-boy made a snide post implying that another person posting here was Lord Foulkes, when he has no proof one way or another, that is blatant trolling and should be sanctioned by the moderator.

Lawnmower Man # 36

Unless you are the moderator here then you have authority to decide who should post, or not here. So I suggest that you RAM your opinion also. I notice that you do not refute my comment that Salmond is a hypocrite? Salmond would not cut the duty on Whisky in Scotland, if Scotland was independent. For him to imply that he would is hypocrisy. Anyone that supports Salmond's hypocrisy, like you, is a full blown hypocrite too.
38

Ciderman 542000,

Forres 10/04/2008 19:13:18
"SNP finance secretary John Swinney called the tax rise "savage" and "punitive" – echoing the SWA's sentiments almost word-for-word."

SNPs surrenders abjectly to Scotch Whisky Association pressure.
39

Paloma negra,

10/04/2008 19:26:12
Whisky is outrageously expensive here (and other types of alcohol) compared to other parts of Europe.
This makes no sense.
40

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/04/2008 19:29:30
Good evening Ciderman

Were you supportive of the latest excise duty increase to Scotch Whisky?

41

Ciderman 542000,

Forres 10/04/2008 19:39:22
Andrew BOD # 40

It doesn't me, I don't drink whisky, except when I am abroad. The SWA has a very good 10 years without duty rises on its UK sales. A reduction in duty will not create a single new job in Scotland, but will translate into a straight payrise for already well paid executives in that industry. Calum Crubag @ 32 above said there would be more jobs in Scotland because he will drink more whisky if the price was lower. How much more does he think he would have to drink to create just one more job?

I believe the post by The Spook in Leith, @ 30 is defamatory, abusive and possibly actionable by Lord Foulkes, when the said Spook say's "Lord Foulkes, stop blogging and spamming the forum. For a list MSP you are an utter embarrassment to your Labour party. Go and do some work for your constituents, we the public to not pay you to sit at a PC all day telling fibs to us Cyber Nats..!!!!"
Perhaps the said Lord is biding his time pending action against this organ for allowing this, apparent, defamation above.

42

Union is Best,

10/04/2008 19:45:50
41. Ciderman. Quite right, you bash them Nats. And spot on about Lord Foulkes, he has not been on this thread all day, he has been on the LIT one as Highland Mighty.

As soon as he is sober enough he may well take action about this slur. I just hope he doesn't fly into one of his rages and assault an old lady and a policeman when he does.
43

boudica,

Glasgow 10/04/2008 19:47:20
22..She was a Celt and due to the Roman Invasion a lot of Celts headed North..Ending up here .most Scots dont realise ( you seemingly being one )that the of Celts in Scotland some landed here long before the Irish Celts came in fact some Celts from Scotland actually migrated to Ireland and also that England still has the Largest Celtic Population most people think that the English are all descended from Anglo Saxon , Vikings etc they populate mostly the coastal areas in the south of England but not true this Island of ours is still mostly populated with Celts even the outer hebredes and the isles who always claimed to be more Pictish and Viking blood is not a trace to be found ..so I`ll keep the name and proud to as a Celtic Woman Warrior Queen she is an example to all Women of this Island and Jackie as you will find through DNA there is no Picts Genes Pool within this Island ..seeing as you are in to ancient albeit skewed history in some Quarters it is beleived that the Celts of Scotland actually are the lost tribes of Israel...
44

Union is Best,

10/04/2008 19:47:32
41. Hey Ciderman, I been thinking. Why don't we get Lord Watson to set fire to this thread! That will show them Nats and teach them not to take the Lord's name in vain!
45

The Spook in Leith,

Leith 10/04/2008 19:49:52
#41 ciderman aka pete from paisley.

Perhaps the said Lord is biding his time pending action against this organ for allowing this, apparent, defamation above.

# Is that right? i am sitting hear shaking in my socks at the thought of a discredited labour drone biding his time to sue me with defamation, what a tool you are.

You are a bitter old cantankerous fool with no sense of purpose in his rotten little life. you sit at your pc posting the same old crap every day. Everybody on this site despises you yet you come back time after time to get slagged.

You are an old time labour ned and the world is moving past you. Go and spend your state pension on a wee trip to Saltcoats and do a bit of bowling, you old fool.

46

Ciderman 542000,

Forres 10/04/2008 19:50:04
Union is Best, Ayrshire Scot + Other Identities # 42

Do you think that Salmond should employ someone as a Justice Minister who has seen the inside of a Police custody suite as a prisoner, or one who has no experience of that whatsoever?
47

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/04/2008 19:52:26
The reason I ask is because you live in the area which will be most affected by a reduction in UK consumption.

How many distilleries are there in Moray? Don't you think there will be any less business and that people in Forres, Elgin, Buckie, Keith, Rothes, Aberlour, Dufftown, Craigellachie, etc... might actually lose their jobs?

To not be bothered about something that may affect the livelihood's of your neighbours, does sound a touch blase.

I'm not really interested in picking fights with other posters, but I am concerned that Scottish business has now been put at a disadvantage with this increase. Don't you agree?
48

Paloma negra,

10/04/2008 19:52:53
Whisky needs to come down in price ... it is too expensive in Britain.
49

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/04/2008 19:53:16
Ciderman - 47 was for you
50

The Spook in Leith,

Leith 10/04/2008 19:57:17
#35 Lawnmower Man

Anyway soz that stupid old tool obviously made a nasty comment towards me ? well that is what i expect from a tool that supports labour and lives in Wendy Alexanders back yard. This guy is rotten to the core.

Did you see the nasty posts this idiot made the other week regarding sex and stuff. It shows you the state of mind of this person. I believe he has problems of a sexual nature and should not be allowed to post on this forum. I reported all his sexual posts but unfortunately none were deleted.
51

Union is Best,

10/04/2008 19:57:32
46. Great post! If only that fiend MacAskill had been charged with something! Can we just make something up in that regard anyway do you think?

Your point about duty not impacting consumption to a degree that would impact jobs is masterful (who is this Ashcroft idiot who says othersise?)! Duty on whisky never stopped George Foulkes falling in a gutter while doing his duty for Scotland, thats for sure - we shall use him as an example of all Labour is doing for the whisky industry!
52

The Spook in Leith,

Leith 10/04/2008 19:59:42
Lord Foulkes, stop spamming and blogging the Scotsman website. For a labour list msp you are an utter disgrace.
53

john z,

edinburgh 10/04/2008 20:01:37
Tax of any kind, would be much less, if we didn't have to keep subsidising six hundred odd MP's in the south of England. In fact, without westminster, we could probably have lower taxation all round. Westminster and the royal family cost an absolute mint to keep.

Scotland and industry would be much better off without them.

In 2003, the expenses alone for all the MP's at westminster totalled over 78 million pounds. Add their salary, and running costs of the grossly extravegant palac of Wesminster, and you are looking at serious amounts of money. Why do we in Scotland have to pay for it. Why can't we run things ourselves from Scotland. The Scottish parliament may cost a lot of money, but it's peanuts compared to Wesminster.
54

Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:01:44
46 - PS Cider, word from the wise, one Unionist to another - at this time of Labbour illegal donations, fiscal investigations, mass resignations, Harmen, Hain and all that (jeez, Isee another one of our MSPs is to be investigated by the Stadard's commissioner for failing to declare a bloody house he got given) do you think law and order is really our strong suit? I think we were doing better on the socialist thing?
55

boudica,

Glasgow 10/04/2008 20:02:09
34...Why Do you feel so inferior as to refer to
" British Supremecy " is that the problems with SNP supporters you feel inferior to anyone else who claims to be British ..as born and bred here in Scotland. UK and I was brought up never to feel inferior or better than anyone else long before Equal Rights in any form came into being ,I was brought up to know I was the equal to any man or woman not matter who they were and also to share with others ....I would advise you to get over this inferiority complex you and most other SNPs have ..You will feel a lot calmer and not so stressed trying to convince others to be as selfish as yourselfs ..it isnt worth the health problems you no doubt will get being so stressed all the time ..
56

Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:04:14
55. Quite right and great advice. Ciderman had dreadful piles last week exactly due to the thinking you describe. He was in the office here sitting on a rubber ring, and it did nothing for his temper!
57

Ciderman 542000,

Forres 10/04/2008 20:06:06
Andrew BOD, # 47

It remains to be seen what effect the duty increase on Whisky will have on consumption in the UK. I doubt, personally, that will translate in jobs cuts; the SWA has not suggested that it will, have they? They don't know themselves. But, when 90% of their product is exported the implications are unlikely to be overwhelming.
What does the SNP say that the level of duty should be? Do they know?
58

The Spook in Leith,

Leith 10/04/2008 20:08:27
#55

Well i tell you this weird one, i for one do not feel inferior to you or any other stupid Unionist drone on hear. I know your post was not for me but so what anyway. I laugh the way you say "You will feel a lot calmer and not so stressed trying to convince others to be as selfish as yourselfs ..it isnt worth the health problems you no doubt will get being so stressed all the time "

HA HA HA , have a look at yourself and ciderman (pete), it is your type that hyperventilate everyday trying to shore up your dwindling labour values.
59

Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:09:04
57. Great post. This Ashcroft man is some kind of Nat fanatic. Clearly there will be no jobs lost - his 10% reduction sales on 100 million bottles will mean 90 million bottles are still sold in the UK. So, as no one was actually employed making, filling and selling those other 10 million bottles their jobs will not be lost and our campaign for socialism can continue! Onward he Union!
60

The Spook in Leith,

Leith 10/04/2008 20:11:22
#56..lol, nice one. My mate in paisley knows ciderman (pete) and he said he was flung out of the Paisley Watermill restaurant coz of a bad odour seeping from his trousers, poo oh good god poo.
61

Ciderman 542000,

Forres 10/04/2008 20:12:35
Union is Best, 56

You are that rubber ring; thank you for your service. We Onionists prefer the personal service provided by you and your clones. The Onion would never be so comfortable without you and all the cash that you cushion us with: thank you.
62

Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:12:54
60. That is a lie and a slur, typical of a Cyber Nat. Anyone who knows Ciderman knows the smell seeps out every part of him, not just his trousers.
63

Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:14:37
61. Nice one. I don't think anyone will have understood that post at all, as it was as incomprehensible as George Foulkes after a Scottish Whisky Association dinner, so great stuff, and keep flummoxing them with the gibberish! We have the Nats on the ropes!
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/04/2008 20:16:01
I don't know what the SNP have said. I'm neither a worker or a member of the party. My question was not about them, but about the comments of the 'leading economist' above who has predicted a 9% decrease over five years. That will surely affect business and therefore the local Moray economy.

It's ironic that it was Scottish Labour that lobbied successfully for the freeze in Whisky excise for so many years, only for the rise to occur in the first year of an SNP Government. Is that co-incidence or design?
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Ciderman 542000,

10/04/2008 20:16:06
The Spook in Leith #60

Who put the "poo" in Spook? Everybody.
If you have got a mate in the Watermill, then you have a problem with mates!
You have not refuted my assertion that Salmond is a HYPOCRITE, because you cannot.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/04/2008 20:17:38
Ciderman - 64 is for you (keep forgetting - senility)
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The Spook in Leith,

Leith 10/04/2008 20:17:44
#62 Union is best...lol, oh okay i stand corrected
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Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:18:20
65. Ciderman - ssssshhhh, remember, you ditched the Paisley Pete moniker when you lost your temper and got moderated for posting rude and abusive posts - don't let the new disguise slip by letting your familiarity with Paisely pubs get the better of you!! Just take a breath, calm down, re-inflate your rubber ring, apply some preperation H, and post some gibberish about 10 million less bottle sales of whisky means no jobs lost!
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Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:20:11
64. You are clearly a SNP clone, just like this Ashcroft "economist" who says there will be a 9% reduction in sales, or 10 million less bottles. As Ciderman has said, as no one is employed to produce these 10 million bottles, no jobs will be lost! Unlike with your Nat plans for making all our Scottish MPs redundant!
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boudica,

Glasgow 10/04/2008 20:22:02
Spook from Leith ...I think you are beyond stressed and should stand back from the PC you are starting to slaver...again I say Chill out ...You Syntax betrays you ....
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The Spook in Leith,

Leith 10/04/2008 20:23:44
Ciderman 542000,10/04/2008 20:16:06
The Spook in Leith #60

Who put the "poo" in Spook? Everybody.
If you have got a mate in the Watermill, then you have a problem with mates!
You have not refuted my assertion that Salmond is a HYPOCRITE, because you cannot.

erm not a mate in the watermill but someone who was in it, tool..

I refute everything you stand for. You are old labour and i despise that to the core. Time to cut out the (old dead wood) and move on. You are living in a time warp and you also post sexual posts that could upset other online users. You are a complete and utter nonsense.
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Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:24:10
70. Ironic that you include a typing (You Syntax?) error in a post which announces such errors as evidence of slavering. I see what you are doing though - you are making the Nats think you are a dribbling mentalist to lull them into a false sense of security as they laugh at you, then you will pound them!
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Ciderman 542000,

Forres 10/04/2008 20:25:00
Union is Best, = Ayrshire Scot

Disguise?

http://www.thewatermillhotel.com/
You don't have to know Paisley to know about the Watermill. Do you?
Who says there will be 10 million bottles less whisky produced because of a 9% increase in duty? The SWA?
If you believe that, as you seem to, you will believe that Alec Salmond is not a hypocrite.

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Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:26:23
65. Nice use of capitals btw, liking it! I think we have the nats on the run now (if Boudica pulls himself together). Repeat that equation that says 10 million less bottles of whisky made and sold means no job losses, that was your best work if I may so!
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boudica,

Glasow 10/04/2008 20:26:26
I know ...The Irony of it ...but what can I say ...Ooops!!!
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/04/2008 20:26:55
Union is Best

What a lonely job you've got there. No-one responding to your comments, blogging day and night. I just thought I'd drop you a post to let you know somebody's thinking about you. Chin up old chap. Got to save the Union.
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Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:27:43
73. Who says there will be 10 million bottles less whisky produced because of a 9% increase in duty? The SWA?
Erm, I think it was this Professor Brian Ashcroft whoever he is!!! I hear our Wendy is married to an economist, why don't the Scotsman use him for this type of story rather than this Ashcroft Nat plant???
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Ciderman 542000,

10/04/2008 20:27:58
The Spook in Leith # 71

What sexual posts Millport-boy?
That Alec Salmond is a hypocrite is not sexual; except perhaps in Iceland?
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Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:28:52
76. Ciderman is not no-one (close, but his body odour provides him with a rather powerful presence in person), you skulking Nat fiend.
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boudica,

Glasgow 10/04/2008 20:29:01
Union ...Not into pounding ...just hate to see men acting like sweety wifes ..you dont agree with him ..no problem ..but why get so personal ..that is more a Womens thing but then again we have yet to see the side effects of " The New Man" idealogy ...
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Ciderman 542000,

Forres 10/04/2008 20:30:10
Union is Best # 77

That is a projection, not a fact.
You SNP supporters could all give up drinking Whisky though, just to prove him right?
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The Spook in Leith,

Leith 10/04/2008 20:30:35
#70 boudica,Glasgow

No not me, im cool and calm unlike you. You and your other labour numptys spam this website 24/7 thinking that you can shift public opinion. But hay ho you do not.

Independence is on the rise, hey budica if i am beyond stress how is it AM2 and Highland mighty go to great lengths to post countless links to try and win any arguments.? One night i made a soft comment on labour voter incomes and then the whole thread (thanks to AM2) descended into a titanic fight of links. Take a look at your own type and their stress levels, not mine..naws wit urs meens
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Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:32:13
81. But who is this Ashcroft SNP man and why is he making these projections?
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Ciderman 542000,

Forres 10/04/2008 20:32:15
boudica # 80

That is all these people have to offer, insults. It will be your turn next if you persist in pointing out their personal inadequacies.
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Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:32:41
81. And too right - no one has ever really shown any relationship between price and demand!!
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Ciderman 542000,

Forres 10/04/2008 20:35:01
Union is Best, # 83

Professor Ashcroft can say what he likes, does that make it fact?
You are the kind of person that would buy a house, now, on the advice of someone like Prof. Ashcroft.
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The Spook in Leith,

Leith 10/04/2008 20:35:01
542000,10/04/2008 20:27:58
The Spook in Leith # 71

What sexual posts Millport-boy?
That Alec Salmond is a hypocrite is not sexual; except perhaps in Iceland?

#Boom boom boom, the same old party piece (millport boy)oh i think you have compromised my elite identity.

Anyway moving on, you know fine what im on about, all them posts about ejacula#ion and human crap, lol i found them funny but you are a sick old fool..
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Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:36:45
86. Too right! Price does not effect demand! It is well known. Making something more expensive does not reduce demand! Thus making whisky 55p a bottle more expensive will not impact sales.

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Ciderman 542000,

Forres 10/04/2008 20:37:50
Union is Best # 85

What is the elasticity of demand for a product like Whisky? Is there evidence? The price has not risen in the last 10 years, except at the instigation of the distillers. They should know, why have they not published figures?
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Conan the Librarian™,

10/04/2008 20:39:17
41

"Perhaps the said Lord is biding his time pending action against this organ "

So you've heard the rumours too?
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Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:40:06
89. You mean there is price elasticity of demand for a commodity like whisky????? How does this help our argument that a 55p price rise per bottle will not reduce sales? And who does this Prof Ashcroft of the Fraser of Allender thingy (i just read he is married to Wendy Alexander - can that be correct?) thing it will?
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Ciderman 542000,

Forres 10/04/2008 20:40:31
The Spook in Leith # 87

Don't move on too far Millport-boy, you risk falling off the edge of the flat Earth. The things you find funny are not my concern.
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Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:40:36
90. I heard it was action against his organ, not this one.
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boudica,

Glasgow 10/04/2008 20:40:38
Spook as I am not on here 24/7 and have no personal knowledge of who does what ( and as I have a real life too ) am not interested what they or you do or imagine ..other than come in at times to view and to put my thoughts or knowledge on anything with in my country that concerns me is my business if I disagree with anything I will post my opinions , they are my opinions and sorry to tell you Spook it is a Democracy we live in and not Arthur Donaldsons view of Scotland and I can see by your rhetoric you are cut from the same cloth ... ..Shame on you ...Shame on you
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/04/2008 20:42:36
88 Union

Impressive. You managed to stop yourself falling into straight talk.

And anyway, why would you listen to an eminent economist the Scotsman took the trouble to interview and quote as the biggest political story of the day.
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Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:44:32
95. Begone you SNP stooge.
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boudica,

Glasgow .. 10/04/2008 20:46:19
Ciderman ...Let them carry on it is themselves they are showing up and showing people what the nationlist are all about as they say ..give them enough rope and they will hang themseles ..
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Union is Best,

10/04/2008 20:47:41
97. Too right! Anyone silly enough to belief this Ashcroft man that increasing whisky by 55p a bottle will reduce sales, and that reducing production and sales by 10 million bottles will cost jobs, is silly and shows themselves up!
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Conan the Librarian™,

10/04/2008 20:47:56
93
I should hope so Union...
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Conan the Librarian™,

10/04/2008 20:48:08
100
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 10/04/2008 20:48:33