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Published Date: 20 June 2009
ALASTAIR Campbell has waded in to the furore over the Iraq war inquiry by insisting it "frankly won't make any difference" to critics of the conflict if the probe is held behind closed doors.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown has laid the ground for a climbdown over his decision after an array of senior figures denounced the move to hold hearings in private.

But Mr Campbell, who was director of communications at Downing Street when the conf
lict began, said critics had already made their minds up.

He said: "Those who are critical of the government's policy on Iraq will only accept the finding of any inquiry that says the government was wrong."

Mr Campbell added that Mr Brown had "probably made the right decision".

Of critics, he added: "It frankly won't make any difference to them whether it's public or private because they've decided, they have made their minds up, they're critical of the government whatever comes out.

"The question then becomes whether you genuinely want to have an inquiry which finds out exactly what happens and that tries to learn lessons."

Attacks on the decision to hold the hearings in private were led by former prime minister Sir John Major and the head of the last official inquiry on the war, Lord Butler of Brockwell, who said ministers were putting the government's political interest ahead of the national interest.

No 10 sought to defuse the row by suggesting the inquiry chairman, Sir John Chilcot, would have a degree of discretion in the way he conducted proceedings.

But with a Commons vote next week on a Tory motion calling for the evidence to be heard largely in public, shadow foreign secretary William Hague said a "proper U-turn" was needed.





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  • Last Updated: 19 June 2009 9:18 PM
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  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Alan B,

20/06/2009 00:46:09
Brown is a joke.

Only by having a proper enquiry, with witnesses under oath and criminal prosecutions where wrong doing is shown can we have any faith in the whole thing.

2

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 20/06/2009 00:52:56
Holding a public enquiry in SECRET, wow this is nearly as bad as the elections in Iran. Demonstrations in the street, no it's just a walk about. The WHOLE ENQUIRY SHOULD BE HELD IN PUBLIC AND TELEVISED. The perpetrators SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, AND CHARGED ACCORDINGLY.All the servicemen and womens families should be present at the enquiry and be ALLOWED TO CLAIM EXPENSES AGAINST THE MPs EXPENSES WHO VOTED FOR THE ILLEGAL WAR. Have a nice week-end.........
3

Barney Thomson,

Reading 20/06/2009 01:47:55
If the USA was to hold a similar enquiry, would the terms of their constitution dictate that it MUST be public?
4

redcliffe62,

20/06/2009 01:50:43
putting toadies on the commission gets the resukt one wants.
critics do have their minds made up as they have proven to be right. the problem is for those trying to argue going in was the correct decision. trying to advise who told b.s. about iraq and saddam and trying to apportion blame for decision making to others.
and the role of the u.s. in the decision cannot be underestimated. we know bush said to blair at a summit that the yoo kay did not have to get involved but blair chirped up he wanted to. the army does wastemonster's bidding, although i expect a few hawks were keen to go in and give that saddamy chappie a bit of a thrashing.
5

Astonished,

20/06/2009 04:32:34
The UK bombed innocent people in Iraq at the behest of labour politicians.


All the whitewashes in the world will not change that fact.I assume Mr campbell is meeting more and more angry people telling him exactly what they think of him and his party.
6

Jock's Away,

Africa 20/06/2009 06:31:32
Just like Campbell and his bendy buddy Tony before the wars. don't let the facts or turth get in the way.
When there is no accountability or penalty for your decisions the you can be blas'e like Campbell.
Nuremburg and the Hague were suposed to correct that gap. (but only for the loosers - Victors justice)
The human suffering of all involved in the actual debacle will go on for decades, while the activators become richer. Premenditation is a war crime, proved it wasn't!!!
As McNamara (head of Defence at Pentagon policy maker) said of the Vietnan war years later "we got it wrong."
7

John Cameron,

St Andrews 20/06/2009 07:32:08
Gordon Brown, our u-tube of a Prime Minister, is u-turning over the secret Iraq Inquiry. Air Chief Marshall Sir Jock Strap, El Gordo’s favourite (and longest serving ever) Chief of the Defence staff helped dream up the daft secret idea. Jock Strap is being used by the PM to block General Dannatt (the head of the Army) from the top spot. Dannatt, the only senior officer known to be capable of standing up to the Celtic Delusionist, said some fairly unkind things about the proposed “secret” whitewash. The PM has been forced to allow a public opening session. He has also said that relatives of servicemen killed in the conflict will get the chance to state their case in a public hearing. Since most of them believe the deaths were unnecessary and caused by poor equipment (which is all down to Brown withholding the necessary funds), expect such openness to vanish when the Beast in the Bunker u-turns again.
8

Observer,,

Glasgow 20/06/2009 08:14:35
We know the facts. They are in the public domain and were in the public domain before the War was launched. We knew at that point that there were no WMD, there was no 45 minute threat, and that Campbell had fixed the facts around the policy rather than the other way around. And we know - as Cynicus has pointed out - that the private inquirers have been picked to come to the ''right'' conclusions which no one with a semblence of common sense will accept. On that, at least, Campbell is right.
9

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 20/06/2009 08:36:04
Well, Alistair, there is a way of overcoming that which is to have inquiry completely open, televised and witnesses on oath. Facts are chiels that winna ding. Then we can make our own minds up instead of having them made up for us by apparatchiks like Campbell.
10

TWC,

exLabour 20/06/2009 09:01:01
We are critical because of your behaviour, and that of the Labour party.
We will probabaly hear that some people's files are destroyed and some underling will be found guilty.
Already in the expenses there are rumours that employees did it.
11

Queen D,

20/06/2009 09:11:48
Campbell is correct.
We know he should be among those indicted, along with his best buddy Tony Bliar and the rest of the cabinet.

" This is not about regime change , this is about WMDs capable of 45 minute launch"
Lying Ba$&ards!
12

dunedin bully wee 1877,

20/06/2009 09:28:42
“Iraq war's critics have made minds up, insists Campbell”

You can bet your bottom dollar that we have Campbell.

Not only that, but many of us still want to see the criminal perpetrators of this illegal war brought to justice in front of the relevant International Courts.

We may have failed to impeach Bliar whilst he was the Prime Minister, but unlike him, we have not gone away.....................
13

Pilrig,

Livingston 20/06/2009 10:00:55
Alastair Campbell, second only to his auld boss as the greatest producer of porkie pies in oor time.
14

Grahamski,

Falkirk 20/06/2009 10:28:21
14
"Not only that, but many of us still want to see the criminal perpetrators of this illegal war brought to justice in front of the relevant International Courts."

Hmm...why do you think they haven't?
15

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20/06/2009 11:19:16
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 20/06/2009 11:46:01
17
"How's the mood in Falkirk today?"

Well, 40,000 of us are scratching our heads and trying to work out why the local SNP delivered leaflets with pictures of the Queen and Prince Philip deleted....
Of course the local branch of the SNP have had to apologise and explain that they let an over-enthusiastic swivel-eyed bigot put together a leaflet which they then didn't check before they distributed.
So the mood in Falkirk is pensive and the only sound you can hear is some face painted braveheart's **se being kicked up and down the High Street....
17

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20/06/2009 11:54:27
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 20/06/2009 11:58:59
19
"Would that be oil paints?"
No, that would be the tartan paint that the SNP sell out of Mr Matheson's office in the High Street to the terminally gullible.
"Did they charge it to the taxpayer?"
Yes, but they claimed it as food expenses.....
19

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20/06/2009 12:02:29
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Observer,,

Glasgow 20/06/2009 12:06:03
16 Because we haven't had a meaningful inquiry which fixed the blame. We are all still supposed to believe the nonsense that the Govt really thought there were WMD. A meaningful inquiry would demonstrate how Campbell did his masters bidding and fixed the facts around the policy, and would also tell us why Goldsmith changed his legal advice and et voila the War was launched.

That is why we will not get a meaningful inquiry.
21

Grahamski,

Falkirk 20/06/2009 12:08:23
22
Afternoon Observer,
this is like catnip to you guys isn't it?
Anyway if you look at post #16 the point I was making is that there has been no international court willing to prosecute, why do you think that is?
22

Observer,,

Glasgow 20/06/2009 12:13:28
23 Because no charges have been made. It's Orwellian, everyone knows what they did but who has got the authority to charge them ? Various options have been explored and closed down. This is yet another one. They had to have this inquiry because they promised they would after the troops had been withdrawn from Iraq. They will use the shield of security and the troops continuing presence in Afghanisatan as cover for not releasing ''sensitive'' information that could threaten their security.

We need to wait until Labour are out before any meaningful inquiry can be held. But it will never be too late to charge these barstewards. Even if they are old men in wheelchairs.
23

Grahamski,

Falkirk 20/06/2009 12:20:01
24
"Because no charges have been made."
Of course they haven't, just because you claim something is 'illegal' doesn't make it so. If the actions of the UK and US governemnt were truly illegal why has no country tried to prosecute them?
"It's Orwellian, everyone knows what they did but who has got the authority to charge them ?"
Huh? everyone knows? what do you mean everyone? Like, everyone in your house or everyone you know?
24

Observer,,

Glasgow 20/06/2009 12:26:02
25 You really do live in cloud cuckoo land don't you. If the majority of people of your acquaintance truly think that the UK Govt believed there were WMD in Iraq that could be despatched in 45 minutes then you need to get out more.

Who is going to prosecute them ? The international community is rubbish at prosecuting war crimes - look at various Israeli governments they have been committing war crmes for decades and how many of them have you seen in the dock ?

Any prosecution of Blair, Campbell et al will have to be initiated here.
25

Grahamski,

Falkirk 20/06/2009 12:36:50
26
Observer,
Most people thought here were WMDs in Iraq before the invasion mainly because Saddam had already deployed them.
"...Israeli governments they have been committing war crmes for decades..."
Aye, very good - you've been listening to your anti-semitic chums a wee bit too much recently. Why single out Israel, the only democracy in the area and ignore the crimes of its neighbours?
26

Observer,,

Glasgow 20/06/2009 12:47:13
27 Grahamski most people didn't think there were WMD in Iraq before the War. Can I recommend a good book Neil McKay ''The War on Truth'' it's a Sunday Herald book and it contains extracts from a lot of his articles that he wrote and I remember reading BEFORE the War. Can I also recommend ''Intifada the Long Day of Rage'' that is another Sunday Herald book by David Pratt which goes some way towards explaining the rage that Israel has caused in the Arab world. And if you want an overview can I recommend ''The Great War for Civilisation The Conquest of the Middle East'' a rather weighty but encyclopedic tome by Robert Fisk which cotains a lot of valuable information from the past thirty odd years.

These people are not anti-semites and neither am I - and facts are chiels that winna ding. Unless the West admits its role in shaping the conflicts in the middle East and it's culpability for Iraq then we are going to carry on being the best recruiting seargents that Al quida ever had.

I'm off now enjoy your day.
27

Grahamski,

Falkirk 20/06/2009 12:54:02
28
There is nothing quite as nauseating as hearing the sound of liberal westerners wringing their hands desperately trying to take on the world's guilt.
The only person to blame for a religious nut strapping explosives to themselves is that religiuos nut. It's teh kind of argument that excuses people voting for teh nazi BNP.
It makes no sense: 'I don't agree with israel so I'm going to start believing it's ok to subjugate women and gays and kill apostates?' or'I feel alienated so I'm off to vote nazi?' get a grip....
anyway, enjoy your weekend....
28

TWC,

exLabour 20/06/2009 12:59:47
Graham,
The Iraq decision was a disgrace thousands of adults and kids lost the only life they had, it can't be given back and the truth when it comes out will be criminal.
29

Number 6,

Germany 20/06/2009 13:15:55
This could be the biggest mistake dithering Brown has ever made. No matter how much spin they put on this, no matter how much they censor the evidence, there is no escaping the "Downing Street Memo".

It dams Labour and proves they knew America was "fixing intelligence around the policy" their words, not mine. They then proceeded to compile their own fake dossier to fool the British public into supporting the invasion.

The Sunday Times has published it once already. Let's hope they announce they will publish it again before the "Inquiry's Conclusions" are announced.

These are crimes against humanity, and Labour has blood on its hands.
30

McGinty,

Glasgow & Aberdeen 20/06/2009 13:57:51
Whatever the rights and wrongs of going to war, it's already been established that dealing with the aftermath was never properly considered or prepared for. Hand wringing may be nauseating but is necessary. Until everyone responsible feels regret for what has happened we'll do it again. Back in 2005 we were consumers enjoying economic boom times spending money on patio heaters, decking and garden furniture while we were allowing Blair (and thus Brown) back in is testament to that (no doubt looking for more of the same). We all knew Brown was next in line, so none of us who voted labour has excuse. What we need to do is for as many of us as possible to turn out to vote, none of this 55% nonsense, vote strategically, thoughtfully and informedly for the least worst, especially now that we know some of the dangers of being seduced by spin.
31

Observer,,

Glasgow 20/06/2009 14:36:11
29 Tut tut. There is nothing so nauseating as seeing liberal Westerners (who think they have the right to go barging into other people's countries to ''give'' them democracy) wringing their hands and desperately trying to avoid Western guilt. I am not going to go around condemning Arab countries because I am not an Arab and it is none of my bloody business. If the West (where I live and so feel free to comment on) hadn't had it's puppet Shah in Iran then the ''religious nutters'' wouldn't have taken over in Iran and kick started the whole modern Islamist movement - which has nothing to do with religion, it is a politically reactionary movement and it is reacting to the actions of the West and it's satellite state Israel, and it's support for the Saudi royal family (who are the biggest nutters of all but strangely the West says nothing).

I really think you should do some reading up on this subject because you are all over the place.
32

brownlie,

20/06/2009 14:41:28
29 Grahamski

So you think that there is nothing as nauseating as individuals wringing their hand? It is not nearly as nauseating as witnessing men, women and children mutilated and suffering death and devastation under false pretences.
33

Grahamski,

Falkirk 20/06/2009 15:06:47
33
".....I am not going to go around condemning Arab countries because I am not an Arab and it is none of my bloody business....."

Yet you condemn Israel, are you an Israeli?
34

hoblar,

20/06/2009 15:19:24
Fact is that everyone knows that the Iraq War is not supported by the public for a myriad of reasons, and some behind closed doors investigation by the outgoing labour party is not going to make much difference.

35

Observer,,

Glasgow 20/06/2009 15:37:02
33 Because as you yourself pointed out @ 27 it is the only (Western) democracy in the region. It is a satellite state and that is how it is viewed.

I appreciate that many people will have been pleased to see the back of Saddam, he was an evil evil man. But we should have left it to the Iraqis. It was none of our business and what we did has made the situation far worse, has cost thousands of lives which did not need to be lost, and has left the world a far more dangerous place than it was before the invasion.

36

Grahamski,

Falkirk 20/06/2009 15:58:44
38
I didn't point out it was a western democracy nor do I consider it a 'satellite state'. I still struggle to see your logic in refusing to condemn Arabs 'because you are not an Arab' but you're fine with condemnation of Israel (although you're not an Israeli)....it all seems a bit odd.
37

Grahamski,

Falkirk 20/06/2009 15:59:54
34
Oh, I didn't see you there....altogether now,
'Koombayah my lord, Koombayah.....'
38

Desmo,

Lumphinnans 20/06/2009 16:33:11
Earlier this week, someone on this thread mused that Grahamski`s true identity was none other than the amiable, personable Major Joyce himself.

Todays contributions appear to show that, if this is not the case, the Honourable Member has a stand-in whose likeness is almost clone-like in its detail, right down to the belief that, as long as he keeps denying everything, no-one will think he`s done anything wrong.

Any comments on Major Joyce`s interview on Newsnicht, Bairnie-boy ?

No ?

Didn`t think so.
39

Observer,,

Glasgow 20/06/2009 16:39:50
39 Basically I think the history of Western intervention in the Arab world has been fairly disastrous. I see no indication that is likely to change. That's why I think we should leave them alone as much as possible to find their own way.

Israel however is the one country that consistently threatens the fragile stability of the region, which instability, if unleashed, could have global consequences. Israel was only founded because of the holocaust, without that it wouldn't be there. The holocaust was a hideous crime perpetrated upon the Jews by Europeans. Why should Arabs pay the price for that ? If we are going to support the state of Israel - and we do - then we should attach strings to that support. Such as not allowing them to treat the Palestinians as sub-human.
40

Prudence,

20/06/2009 17:26:36
According to Mr Campbell, the Hutton enquiry as well as the select committee inquiries have completely cleared the government . There should be no problem therefore with evidence being heard in public.
41

brownlie,

20/06/2009 17:38:35
40 Grahamski

You would not take such a callous and flippant attitude to the Iraq situation if your family, if you have one, or your friends, if you have any, were subject to the same brutalities that have become commonplace in Iraq since the invasion.
42

Observer,,

Glasgow 20/06/2009 17:57:20
44 Brownlie he will probably come back at you with a comment about the brutality of the Saddam regime, which was undoubtedly brutal. But the vast majority of his atrocities were committed in the 80's and early 90's. At the time of the invasion Iraq was a country already decimated by the sanctions and it was as good as on it's knees. That is what makes the war in Iraq so completely and utterly unforgiveable.

Actually change that. It wasn't a war, it was an invasion and conquest. The Iraqis didn't stand a chance of repelling the invaders.

43

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20/06/2009 19:15:17
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Observer,,

Glasgow 20/06/2009 20:09:55
46 I don't think you are being realistic Quisling. Every peace process that has been launched has stalled over the issue of the Palestinians. Hamas and the other Islamist groups are the children of the Intifada. If the Israelis would only recognise that the Palestinians have an equal right to co-exist and stop walling them up and running an apartheid state then we would have an altogether different dynamic in the middle east, one where peace would be achievable. It is not only me that thinks that, many Israelis do too. The damage done to the Palestininansin the past six years is magnified a hundred-fold, more even, than that done to the Israeli population.

Until that wound is healed it is hard to see how the Islamist fundamentalists can be defeated, and their influence is spreading.
45

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20/06/2009 20:51:10
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Observer,,

Glasgow 20/06/2009 21:28:15
Hamas are victim and aggressor. Both ''sides'' are completely wrong and it's the poor bloody sods in the middle who suffer, be they Palestinians in Gaza, or a victim of a rocket attack (although it is reasonable to point out that a lot more folk died in Gaza than at the end of a rocket).

But you have to look at who has the power in terms of who can actually take steps to resolve it. And the Israelis have the power.

I will be the first to criticise the Palestinians if they keep on with the violence if the Israelis try and make a genuine deal. But I don't think they would. Who wants to live like animals caught in a trap ? The best way of defeating the reactionaries is not to give them something to react against, especially if that is the right thing to do anyway.
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20/06/2009 21:34:56
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Observer,,

Glasgow 20/06/2009 21:46:19
Quisling the Palestinians in Gaza were dying a long time before Hamas took power. And in Jenin. And in Sabra and Shatila. It was the massacre (and I use that word advisedly) of Palestinians that gave rise to Hamas. That is the point that I am trying to make. Add into that the massacres in Fallujah and other places, not to mention Guantanamo, and there we have the best advert for suicide bombers that you could get. We can't change what has happened but I really think we should try and learn from it.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 20/06/2009 21:47:50
Anyway I have to go now but it has been a good debate on this thread for once.
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Bugaboo Cheerleader,

16/07/2009 03:22:06
The baseless invasion of Iraq has cost the lives of over 100.000 civilians. What a tragedy.

 

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