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Published Date: 16 June 2009
A LONG-AWAITED inquiry into the Iraq war will be conducted behind closed doors by a panel hand-picked by Gordon Brown and will not report until after the general election, sparking fury from families of soldiers killed in the Gulf.
The investigation into the conflict will also not be able to apportion blame, the Prime Minister has revealed.

The promise of an Iraq inquiry has been seen as a move by Mr Brown to reassert his authority after his leadership came under fire.

But the announcement of a secret inquiry was met with howls of protest from anti-war campaigners, opposition members and some Labour politicians.

The decision to hold a secret inquiry also triggered fury from some of the relatives of the 179 soldiers killed in the six-year conflict.

But Mr Brown tried to quell fears that the inquiry would be a government cover-up, insisting that all British documents and officials involved in the decision will be made available to the panel. It is expected to take until next summer to conclude and will be modelled on the Franks Inquiry that followed the Falklands War.

Mr Brown told the Commons: "The inquiry will, I stress, be fully independent of government.

"The scope of the inquiry is unprecedented… The committee of inquiry will have access to the fullest range of information, including secret information."

But he added: "The primary objective of the committee will be to identify lessons learned. The committee will not set out to apportion blame or consider issues of civil or criminal liability."

The Prime Minister's statement was met with protests outside Parliament.

Rose Gentle, whose son Gordon was killed in 2004, said: "What's the point of an inquiry behind closed doors? No family would be happy with that. We don't want any more lies."

Conservative Leader David Cameron seized on the secretive nature of the inquiry and the timing of the conclusions after the general election, warning that people would conclude that it was "fixed".

The Conservatives last night warned that they could "tear up the terms of reference" of the inquiry if Mr Cameron becomes prime minister after the next election.

Sources close to the Tory leader said the party would review progress of the inquiry if they come to power.

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said that an inquiry was needed to allow the British public to understand why a mistake had been made in their name.

"I am staggered that the Prime Minister is seeking to compound the error, fatal to so many of Britain's sons and daughters, by covering up the path that led to it," he said. "To rebuild public trust, the inquiry must be held in public."

And the SNP Westminster leader, Angus Robertson, said that the country needed to learn from the "worst UK foreign policy decision in living memory and this can only be done through a full and open investigation – that this inquiry will take place in private is totally outrageous and entirely inadequate".

Labour MPs also attacked the secrecy. Midlothian MP David Hamilton said there needed to be a "day of reckoning" which could only come about through a public inquiry.

"The truth must come out. At the end of the day the general public need to know the truth," he said.

Scots-born MP Gordon Prentice was also disappointed. "I had hoped for a new politics of openness after last week," he said. "I'm not prepared to accept a secret inquiry into Iraq and I want the Prime Minister to think again."

Panel includes mandarin, historians and peer

A PANEL chaired by a retired civil servant and made up of historians, a cross-bench peer and a former diplomat will take on the huge task of determining what lessons can be learned from the Iraq war.

Those on the panel include chairman Sir John Chilcott, a former head official at the Northern Ireland Office, who led the government's inquiry into wire-tap evidence. However, his close links to the intelligence community have in the past raised concerns about his impartiality.

Sir John was also on the panel of the Butler Inquiry into the non-existent weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. He is the only Privy counsellor among the group. The others will take the oath before the inquiry begins. Sir John will be joined by military historian Sir Lawrence Freedman. The professor of war studies has previously praised Tony Blair's attempts to influence US foreign policy in the run up to the war.

Sir Martin Gilbert, an expert on Winston Churchill, is another historian to join the panel. His expertise is in the history of Israel and the Holocaust.

Former ambassador to Russia Sir Roderick Lyne, who has acted as adviser to BP, which has major interests in Iraq, is another member of the panel.

Cross-bench peer Baroness Usha Prashar is the only woman on the panel. She also chairs the judicial appointments commission.


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  • Last Updated: 15 June 2009 10:49 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
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1

Nevsky;,

Moscow 15/06/2009 22:11:06
I think this is Brown lowest point in and diaplays exactly the kind of political misjudgement that led to half of his own party despising him.

An enquiry held behind closed doors with a commitee of hand picked grandees and the results to be published after the next election....

Even the most hardened Labour supporters must be absolutely disgusted with this man by now.

He is a disgrace to every soldier and every innocent that has died and has chosen (and used every power at his disposal) to maintain his political future above the truth.

Let's hope the Labour backbenchers show some determination to get rid of this piece of political vermin as soon as possible.





2

Jerry Springer,

15/06/2009 22:35:30
Another Inquiry, another waste of time.

File it alongside the Bloody Sunday and Cash for Honours Inquiries and what do you get?

A further waste of taxpayers money.

The whole exercise is pointless.
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 00:26:13

Being, 'Top-Secret', One must Say Nothing!, hence I cannot make comment, if one does make comment, one might be 'done_away_with'!, afterall!, one does not know who is,...'watching-pages'.

4

Scottyboy007,

Glasgow 16/06/2009 00:29:17
Brown is a NULABOURLIE
5

Barney Thomson,

Reading 16/06/2009 00:30:43
Carruthers -

Obvious bad egg at #3. You know what to do.
6

brianmca3,

auld reekie 16/06/2009 00:30:54
i heard that the makers of fairy snow,were asking how did they get their enquiry so white
lots of wash was the reply
7

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 00:31:41

Scottyboy007 ~4,

You better watch-out, for them, 'Lethal-Umbrellas'!

:))

8

madrab,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 00:56:08
Only 12 months to go until we will be rid of Brown.

Shall we start to plan the party now?
9

Iainbroch,

16/06/2009 01:26:33
So much for open govt and transparency! Same old Liebore same old Broonie!
10

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 02:24:59

Picture re: Article, Says it All!, The Scotsman's News connotation's of comment re: the matter?

But True!, I like Honesty!

11

donald,

glasgow 16/06/2009 06:04:11
Another Labour hung jury.
12

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16/06/2009 06:17:45
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morris,

edinburgh 16/06/2009 06:50:21
This will be held behind closed doors,declare its "findings" after the General Election,and cannot aportion blame to anybody.WE ALL KNOW WHY AND WHO !
THIS is not an enquiry.
THIS IS AN INSULT TO ALL BUT THE LABOUR ACTIVISTS WHO SHOULD BE ASHAMED TO EVEN TRY AND DEFEND THIS .
LABOUR ARE NOT EVEN FIT FOR THE POLITICAL DUSTBIN!

I feel sorry for people like Rose Gentle who has acted with great dignity throughout this shameful episode and lost her son needlessly.

ALL she wanted was transparency and the truth !
I hope she never keeps quiet about this. You have shown too much dignity Rose and its payback time!

Blair has blood on his hands and so do every single member of this Government.
This was an illegal invasion over oil and everybody knows it.The difference is those who are in the LABOUR PARTY would rather be labelled liar than admit they have been mislead (or in some cases did the misleading).

DISGUSTING and that does not even begin to express the level of filth that is this Government!
14

McNasty,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 06:51:26
You are doing a great job Gorgon Broon. Keep it up son.

Not only do everyone on the opposite benches hate your guts but probably everyone on the benches behind you as well. A more devious devious individual would be hard to find in any walk of life.
15

morris,

edinburgh 16/06/2009 07:18:46
16 Indeed

The late Robin Cook resigned from the cabinet when it became clear to him that Blair and Brown had manufactured this crud in a crude attempt at justification for invasion.
Some people just dont get it to this day!

Blair claimed that he had seen irrefutigle proof of weapons of mass destruction existing which could be fired at the UK within 45 minutes.

A week later he claimed that " he still believed they existed ".
Chronologically these two statements cannot be correct!
You can be suspected of existing and then known to exist. You cannot do it the other way round and the result is YOU DID NOT EXIST !
How can you have irrefutible proof of something which does NOT exist?
Theres only one possible answer

TONY B *****LIAR !
16

brownlie,

16/06/2009 07:22:40
Rufus and Cynicus

Yes, good idea to remind us of previous cover-ups and white-washes.
17

TWC,

exLabour 16/06/2009 07:28:20
2 Jerry Springer

Labour MPs promised us a Public Enquiry when th esoldiers were out of Iraq. If it wasn't to be public why the delay?

Labour are incapable of open Government, only Nationally secret info should be held in private.
18

TWC,

exLabour 16/06/2009 07:40:54
Just listening to the story of British soldiers murdering Malayan civilians in 1948. It would appear that we have not gotten any more honest.
The British Government have always reject calls for an enquiry they say the 24 men were killled while trying to escape. Note nobody injured all killed!
19

morris,

edinburgh 16/06/2009 07:46:49
19 Fair comment ....................but if Blair Broon and Darlin think they have covered this up,then they are even bigger clowns than I accused them of being.

This is a case of JACK "THE LAST " STRAW I would suggest.
Time to remove Scotland from WESTMIDDEN and tell those who dare to try and excuse this disgisting behaviour to stick their heids in boiling water and make numpty soup with it!
20

morris,

edinburgh 16/06/2009 07:49:44
18 Exactly ! With people like that behind you who needs an enemy in front!
21

jdships,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 08:00:00
Smacks of a "whitewash ".
No matter what comes out of the inquiry, with it being held behind closed doors , it's findings will be questioned
Does this not constitute another instance of complete disrespect , by Brown, for the British public ?

Time for an election surely !!
22

Phil C,

16/06/2009 08:02:52
Thanks Labour. We have to appreciate that you are at last giving us a quick, open and transparent look at the reasons behind the carnage that emerged in Iraq.

It's a pity that you won't be in power when it is published and confirms that you did nothing wrong. Most folk think that it was an honest and just war in any case
23

Rabhairt,

Australia 16/06/2009 08:04:13
Honestly did anyone expect it to be done any other way, or even at all, but then again old chap we must consider the National Secrets Act, can't have those commoners knowing too much now can we.
Off subject slightly, last week a Uk High Court Judge finally paved the way for compensation for the Australian, British and other soldiers who were used as human guinea pigs in the 1950's during atomic/hydrogen bomb tests at Maralinga in South Australia, those poor blighters could not even get a secret inquiry and now most of them are dead but their children and grandchildren carry the horrible scars.
http://www.sea-us.org.au/thunder/britsbombingus.html
24

tamasha,

Blairgowrie 16/06/2009 08:06:50
re: 15 morris
You said it all!!

25

paulr,

edinburgh 16/06/2009 08:08:48
Government cover up, of course its a Government cover up
26

Greens,

16/06/2009 08:26:41
Herr Hitler announced that the inquiry into the Polish aggression which led to war will be chaired by Herr Himmler,take place in the Feurer bunker with the results only being made known to high level National Socialist Party members. Seig Heil!
27

Fred Leeson,

edinburgh 16/06/2009 08:27:54
With so many of our troops being killed or injured in Iraq surely the families have the right to an open and honest inquiry into the war rather than this secret meeting amongst Labour cronies who can't even compell witnesses to attend. Their only mandate seems to be to drag the thing out until after the election and to avoid getting whitewash on their clothes.

28

Oldhabits,

Nailsea 16/06/2009 08:35:24
Why should we be surprised that Gordon Brown a soviet style socialist should ignore his own declared glasnost(openness)? It fits the normal pattern.

29

The Deil,

16/06/2009 08:35:50
Brown and his Labour Party are responsible for the deaths of countless numbers of Iraqi civilians because of their illegal adventure.
NO amount of trying to conceal the truth, which is what his " Inquiry" (LOL) actually is.
30

TWC,

exLabour 16/06/2009 08:40:02
I cannot believe that some of the honest and true Labour MPs are puting up with this. I heard a couple yesterday who were really angry but there are much more say Frank Field for example who must be disgusted by what Brown and his inner circle are doing.
31

A Crofter,

Western Oil 16/06/2009 08:46:45
"Former ambassador to Russia Sir Roderick Lyne, who has acted as adviser to BP, which has major interests in Iraq, is another member of the panel."

I nearly mentioned the well at one point, but I think I got away with it.


32

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 16/06/2009 09:02:07
This is just a tactic to divert attention away from the economic mess Labour has created .
The real focus of any Iraq inquiry should be on Blairs criminal activity in going to war to line his own pockets in after dinner speeches .
33

John Cameron,

St Andrews 16/06/2009 09:13:06
My younger son fought in the Second Iraq War and I have watched with anguish the deaths of some of his closest friends and colleagues. I cannot convey to you the depths of my loathing for that simpering clown Tony Blair. My feelings of disgust also include Gordon Brown whose refusal to allow sufficient funds to properly equip our servicemen led to so many unnecessary deaths. I am simply astounded that the only heads to roll in this debacle have been those of the chairman and director-general of the BBC. Now we have this whitewash from a committee containing all the usual toadies which is to report AFTER the election. ZANU Labour treats the people of this country with utter contempt. I trust this will not be forgotten at the coming General Election.
34

Marian,

16/06/2009 09:16:24
This decision on a cover up by Brown will be remembered by us all when it comes to the UK general election.
35

kpm,

unsworth 16/06/2009 09:22:19
re 31. Rights Rights ,What Rights?
36

Mike S,

16/06/2009 09:49:41
The SECRET of OPEN government are CLOSED inquiries and of course the report will be FRANK and HONEST with just a few lines OMITTED for security reasons.
37

We love fitba,

Google! 16/06/2009 10:01:21
This decision is a disgrace. Anything less than a full public enquiry is unnacceptable.

Why wait? We deserve a General Election now.
38

scully,

Colchester 16/06/2009 10:04:45
This is the trouble with the Governments of the world . everything is done in secret, so the peoples of the world have no idea what is going on.

The Iraq inquiry should not be held in secret. too many of our young men and woman have died needlessly. so the Mums and Dads at least have a right to know. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.There is no glory in laying down your life for Sleazy MPs who keep there own children well out of the way of trouble.are they proud of there own children

I heard of a very serious leek the other day.

This is it. The Royal Family and the Government have bee informed. That if there is a Revolution. The British Military Forces will not turn their weapons on their own kind to save them. They will have to save themselves. Which seems only fair, after all, For they have done nothing to save our children.So its God Help all who sail in her.So Gordon you all better think again . on how you are treating the British People. People can only be pushed so far.What say you Morris of Edinburgh.My Own fine Eldest Son died needlessly
39

Tris,

16/06/2009 10:19:12
I wonder how much this farce will cost.

It's pointless as no one will believe any of it, so however much it costs it is money wasted. But then that's all that Brown has ever done, waste money to make himslef look good.

What a dreadful periood in the UK's history.

I heard Rose Gentle on the news this morning. How could he do this to her, and the hundreds of others like her?

I hope he will be made to pay for this, and I hope that, regardless of the cost, when the next Prime Minister come in that he will have an open inquiry that can apportion blame; one that the public can have some faith in.

Brown has certainly plumbed new depths today.
40

David Glasgow,

Glasgow 16/06/2009 10:27:22
Before the Iraq Invasion I lived in Iraq and if it were up to me Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, John Reid and other members of the labour party would be standing trial for War Crimes.

Over 1,000,000 innocent men, women and children have been killed / murdered all because of labour lies and more lies. I wish all labour supporters were forced to go and live in Iraq to see what we have done to these people.
41

scully,

Colchester 16/06/2009 11:08:04
Rose Gentle,s Son had not even been trained properly to be sent to any war. I think Mrs Gentle has every mother in the world on her side. If there is anything at all that I could do to help her I Will. I'm just an ordinary working class Mum myself. but I have a CV second to none.And I believe that Honesty Truth and Justice is the only way Forward.That,s why I feel to angry at the Injustice to the Parents of the Children in The Deep Cut Camp Tragedy. The Army know all the truth of this matter, and should tell the truth, They owe it to these young people that died and their Parents. They cant tell the truth. but they expect our children to lay down there lives for sleaze.Please do us the HONOUR of Telling the Truth about Deep Cut Camp and who was responsible. So come on if you want the people behind you. The Truth Will Get You There. And an Open enquiry on the Iraq War.
42

nostress,

grangemouth 16/06/2009 11:13:35
It's about time the remaining decent(there MUST be some surely) Labour MP's did what was right for the country and demand Brown's dismissal. Two days after promising "open government" he comes out with this crock and the trouble is nobody is surprised or shocked. It's come to something when everybody expects nothing but lies and obfuscation from the Labour government as a matter of course. They have truly sold their souls for a mess of potage. Shame on them.
43

scully,

colchester 16/06/2009 11:16:47
The Ministry of Defence MPs truth all the truth about the guilty at deep cut camp its their Job. the Prime minister Knows the Truth about Deep Cut Camp.Has any MP ever tried telling the truth.It can be very refreshing. General Rose and General Jackson I hold you both in deep respect. Please tell the truth. you own the country the Truth.And you owe these young Soldiers the truth, and you owe their Parents the truth. If you wait till you go on the other side its to late. you must do what is right here and now,
44

Ham Mei Si,

Hong Kong 16/06/2009 11:17:59
Mr Brown is trying to steal the title from the former Prezudent of the United States,...... le plus grand imbécile au monde.......and he is not doing it in secret.
45

bluehead,

edinburgh 16/06/2009 11:26:40
so the long awaited cover up is about to commence ,does that creature in downing street think the british people are all daft or something,?
the whole of this labour goverment should be a court
for the diabolical decision to in invade another country ,so as to please the Americans
brown and his mob are becoming more and more diseased each day,'this stinking mob have brought shame on us all ,the british people seem to be forever in the grip of evil prime ministers

46

Seannair,

Oban 16/06/2009 11:30:35
It is evident that the Prime Minister has learned absolutely nothing from the recent turmoil that has surrounded his administration. All the pious talk about openness and transparency disappears at the very first opportunity. All the empty rhetoric about moral purpose is forgotten in an instant as he reverts to his default mode.His complicity with Blair is a matter of record. The silence of the vast bulk of Labour MPs indicates how that party has lost its voice and its direction but then most of them were content to remain silent when this sad episode was played out.
47

Ubi,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 11:44:33
It's pure Orwellian Newspeak.

Bankruptcy is investment, collapse is reform, war is peace, secrecy is truth, ignorance is strength, embezzlement is accountability, despair is hope, prudence is cuts.

Four legs good, two legs better.

It's over for this country if Labour is elected again.

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kt,

16/06/2009 12:14:48
#52

Yes, apparently, you can make it up!!!!
50

brianmca3,

auld reekie 16/06/2009 12:34:18
blair along with bush attacked iraq for one thing
OIL
westminster tells scots the oil will not last,there is not enough money in it for scots to go solo
yet it seems to help out westminster so damn well
they will lie cheat and do anything to keep scottish labour MPs,scare voters on the doorstep,one of their fav in the 70s was ,snp to close the border,you will need a passport to visit england
caused fear and alarm,yet same voters will need a passport to book an internal flight to england
caused by labours war on iraq
funny how lab tory and fib dem are together on calman,just like the 3 witches in macbeth
hubble bubble ,toil and trouble
fire burn,and cauldron bubble
take all scotlands oil and gas
their voters are dumb cause we shafted their ......
censorship prevents me finishing it but it rhymes with gas and you sit on it
51

brianmca3,

auld reekie 16/06/2009 12:38:08
i see a few poster want labour to tell the truth
you have as much chance as the pope buying condoms
they lie and cheat,and yet donkey brains come out and keep them elected
WAKE UP SCOTLAND!
or will we next to get invaded forour gas and oil reserves
satan broon would if he thought he could get away with it
52

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 12:38:37
Get this disgusting Excuse of a party out now!

Anyone who votes for Labour must be an utter idiot now!

Blair started the war movement and he knew he was telling lies now he is likely to be president of the corrupt and power hungry EU. Brown is just sweeping Blairs mess under the carpet.

I cannot help but think that Britain would be a much stronger and better place to live if the Labour party did not exist and the names Brown and Blair stuck to running the local fish and chip shop as opposed to demonstrating the ineptness and adultery on an entire country!
53

Fred Leeson,

edinburgh 16/06/2009 12:46:22
#39 kpm

"Rights Rights ,What Rights?"
Yeah I guess I'm just old fashioned. Expecting some rights from the unelected Mr 15% who shouldn't even be in office never mind holding secret inquiries. Mind you most most folk know the truth about Iraq and who the guilty are.
54

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Douglas,

Bathgate 16/06/2009 13:13:05
What a strange way to tender your resignation.
56

Fletty73,

Stirling 16/06/2009 13:33:04
We invaded Iraq because George Bush told us to.
"Yo Blair, let's go secure some oil fields." the conversation went. "Yes sir!" said his poodle.
57

Astonished,

16/06/2009 13:41:47
Is glen campbell going to head this investigation ?
What about kirsty wark ? Or brian robertson ? Is maddox available ? Who can labour appoint ?

Be assured whoever the person appointed is ,history will judge them very harshly.



This will be a shameful whitewash. No one will believe a single word as we all know who the guilty people are.


58

donnelly,

16/06/2009 13:45:44
#44 David Glasgow ,,agree with you and farcical but unfortunately sad

I have always argued with pro-war advocates ...."its all fine sitting in the comfort of your home slurping tea and biccies while promoting a good thrashing of Johnny Foreigner and his Ilk" ... BUT ? ...where were your "R'says" when the bullets and flax were flying and mowing down innocents in their path ?

..and with the promoted group to look into this I am just gob-smacked at the relevence of...quote "A panel chaired by a retired civil servant and made up of historians" ...and ..."Sir Martin Gilbert, an expert on Winston Churchill, is another historian to join the panel. His expertise is in the history of Israel and the Holocaust." .....HISTORIANS ??????

Sorry for my anger but what F . N ,.relevence does a HISTORIAN ..and most likely pompous prat have to do with this ? ...it is not the Boar War we are looknig at here but one that is still going on !!!FFS
On a more serous note, we recently had a bunch of "dis-enchanted" MP's mumlbing in the backgrounds, well if they have any respect what so ever in the populace that voted their worthless backsides into government, then they should get their noses out of the trough and show some backbone to use this abhoration of an idea and stand up to be counted by stating aloud that they are totally in disagreement with this farce.

59

Media at One,

16/06/2009 13:48:27
I welcome the enquiry and well done to Brown in that regard. The secrecy aspect is acceptable and the panel will be given all the documents so there is no need for concern.
It is seldom that leaders are prosecuted for crimes against humanity so I very much doubt Blair will be arrested.
The fact that we are getting an inquiry is great, so well done to Brown.
60

donnelly,

16/06/2009 13:58:13
I would think on a "historical" review of this farce ...this review could be condensed into an hour or so if looked in an American perspective as such ....

..Well once upon a time, there was a nice Shah who allowed us to run riot and have a great old time ..similar to the one in Iran ..but he got to "uppity", so we got these adorable rascal called Saddam who was a great western asset, so we armed him to the teeth and sent him out to "depose" of this troublesome Johnny. After a couple of balls ups and us saving his bacon he finally got it right..so we put him into place ,,,and he was the best thing since sliced bread, not only allowing us to run riot agian in Iraq , but he and his expendable minnions were wonderfully placed for us to ARM to the TEETH and sort out these other Johnnies, who in becoming "befriened with Boris from Russky land were becoming a nuisance in Iran .
So we were all happy having a great time ..or we were? ...stirring up touble out there to keep us amused and also make a few bob on arms sales and also allowing us to have a poke at Boris.
Again this was fine until that evel despot Boris wanted to play with us and we became bestest pals ....so unfrotunately ...this left our old mate Saddam on a bit of a sticky wicket and a problem ...so we decided he was not one of our bestest pals ..and as such ...a blessing came when a bunch of other chappies mainly from Saudi and Dubia etc blew up our bildings ...so not wishing to miss the opportunity we decided to give ol Saddy a whacking ...makes sense really ...
But there you go ..thats life ...but again...be more afraid of whos next because as History and Historians will advise you ... we are getting bored and someone will have to get whacked soon !!!!
61

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 14:23:58
Media at One - Please tell me that was said in jest !
If a Tory government had come up with this excuse for an enquiry, what remians of the left in the Labour Party would be outraged.
Roll on Independence and an end to this kind of nonsense.
62

Fred Leeson,

edinburgh 16/06/2009 14:26:50
#63 Media
"I welcome the enquiry and well done to Brown in that regard. The secrecy aspect is acceptable and the panel will be given all the documents so there is no need for concern.
It is seldom that leaders are prosecuted for crimes against humanity so I very much doubt Blair will be arrested.
The fact that we are getting an inquiry is great, so well done to Brown."

Do they let you use lube or do prefer it rough ?
63

Mcsnagpile,

16/06/2009 14:49:16
A secret inquiry into the Iraq affair is OK-- provided it is done by an independent UN committee. We do not need more money wasted on government lackeys.
64

Media at One,

16/06/2009 14:49:21
Fred

The fact that your mind can venture to such places says more about you than this article does about Brown.

In terms of politics this is a good news story!

Clamper - No I mean it, the enquiry is welcome. I do find it odd that you believe independence will deliver sincere politicians who have your best interests at heart. Politicians, all of them, are short on honesty and void of care, which is why the decision for an enquiry is welcomed.
65

Davie08,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 14:56:48
#69 Media one you are so morally bankrupt you probably thought the Iraq war was 'a good news story' in terms of politics of course.
66

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 15:04:56
69 Media at One - An Independent Scotland would never have been involved in an illegal war in Iraq and there would be no need for a whitewash.
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Willie Mor,

16/06/2009 15:14:54
The commentator who described the situation a Orwellian is absolutely correct.

Media manipulation, a police force who are under political control and who will not act against corrupt politicians, detention without trial, population control databases, surveillance of all telephonic and electronic communication, illegal donations from big business, the appointment of unelected business people and their friends to the highest levels of government, electoral postal fraud, an unelected prime minister.

It just goes on an on and the announcement of a secret enquiry by hand-picked government enquirers into the widely accepted illegal war in Iraq is just another example of the Orwellian society in which we live.

Fear the unelected state and the commercial interests that run every aspect of our lives, because that is the way that our society is.

And ultimately, yes, they will kill you if you cross their path. Hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi women and children are already testimony to that.

So too are the examples of the London deaths of the innocent Jean Mendez, or the innocent new vendor beaten to death because he was walking through a protest area, or maybe even the mysterious death of Dr David Kelly who some say was murdered.

Again, further examples of why we should fear the state and it's controlling rulers.

68

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 16/06/2009 15:27:33
I sense another Ghurka misjudgement here from Brown. He never gets it right does he?
69

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 16/06/2009 15:31:30
Incidently Media One, there is no justification for all of this inquiry to be held in secret. Also, every person giving evidence should do so under oath.
70

Davie08,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 15:44:31
75 I agree that evidence should be under oath but having perjured themselves to get us into the war I don't see the Government balking at perjuring themselves to get out of the consequences.
71

Joe Macdelta.,

16/06/2009 15:58:07
Another load of misinformation, they will need quite a lot of whitewash to cover up all their lies and false inteligence, this will tell us nothing.
72

Media at One,

16/06/2009 16:08:27
Clamper - To believe that an independent Scotland would not have been involved in the Iraqi war is absolute ignorance. The coalition forces are Italy,Poland,Ukraine,Bulgaria,Spain,Denmark,ElSalvador,Georgia,Slovakia,Latvia,Romania,Australia,Estonia,Netherlands,Thailand,Azerbaijan,Czech Republic,Fiji,Hungary,Kazakhstan,South Korea and Holland. There are probably more.
To think that this independent Scotland that you dream about will be some bastion of peace and harmony where honest politicians who care will roam the streets and shake hands with the public is nonsense. To believe that Scotland will be completely safe from attack on the basis that the Scottish government will be a friend to all and that the world will envy our one of a kind politicians is ridiculous.
In terms of the inquiry, Brown is doing the right thing and the public will soon hear about the findings.
73

Tartan Viking,

16/06/2009 16:08:50
#Meanwhile Bambi Big Ears is globetrotting around the world talking about peace in his new role as a Peace Envoy. How stomach churning is that? I read soemwhere he has banked millions from doing lecture tours to gullible rich people. Him and his bourgoise wife.
74

Ewan Oosami,

16/06/2009 16:22:33
#63 I see the sausage jockey has other stupid ideas too.
Mention the word brown and he's off again
75

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 16:58:39
78 Media at One - Don't take my word for it. Here's what our First Minister had to say about it, in response to someone asking if an Independent Scotland would rely on an English Army.

"Scotland, like Ireland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Iceland etc, will have armed forces and I can guarantee that a Scottish government I lead will not send our young men and women into an illegal war." Alex Salmond 8 Jan. 2007, The Independent.
76

Fred Leeson,

edinburgh 16/06/2009 17:09:29
#69 Media/Mandy
Almost 200 British troops lying cold in their graves and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi men , women and children blown to pieces over a lie. And you're happy for the inquiry to be kept secret and to be held by Gordon's cronies. That says all I need to know about you.
77

Media at One,

16/06/2009 17:16:44
A Clamper - George Bush said that America would go after the people who hit 9/11. They didnt!

What Salmond said within the context of a situation that did not call on him to make those difficult decisions is worthless. Salmond would buckle in a real life situation, he is not the man I would want leading my nation in a moment of crisis.
And his impassioned remarks about the young men and women of Scotland in terms of war are little more than political point scoring. As the leader of an independent Scotland he would frighten me to death
78

Media at One,

16/06/2009 17:24:06
Fred Leeson

We have already read your sexually depraved comments, so it makes a change that you are now speaking about politics.
Using the deaths of soldiers to justify the non-secrecy of the inquiry is sickening. What you are looking for is an inquiry to apportion blame, that is not what this is about.
Perhaps once this inquiry has been completed and its contents released we will see a criminal investigation opened. I would support such a move, but this inquiry is not about blame.
79

Jerry Springer,

16/06/2009 17:50:38
Hey Tartan Viking, how are the mens toilets at your work these days?

We havent had your weekly report yet this week!

HAHAHAHA
80

Jerry Springer,

16/06/2009 17:51:18
1 Tartan Viking,12/06/2009 19:15:04
People have a bad habit of not washing their hands. I've seen senior people in my place of work come out the cubicle and go straight out the door without washing.
==============================================

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
81

Phil C,

16/06/2009 18:18:38
#84 Meeja @ 1

Are you the same eejit who used to be called Meeja 1, lived in South Africa & Stockbridge and supported the Jambos, though I've read some pro-Celtic sentiments from you recently?

The posts you've come up with on this thread tend to suggest that you are even wackier than ever! I do think you need to see a shrink, and quick!
82

Pilrig,

Livingston 16/06/2009 18:18:58
14 - and the guilty go free (and get rich)
83

Pilrig,

Livingston 16/06/2009 18:29:06
84 - "Perhaps once this enquiry is completed, and it's contents revealed, we will see a criminal investigation opened."

Don't hold your breath, this is Britain after all !

Wonder what Lord Hutton's up to these days ?
84

Phil C,

16/06/2009 18:35:04
This whole whitewash enquiry is a terrible waste of time and money and Brown should be ashamed of himself. He's not of course. He doesn't know what he's doing any more. He's being pulled in more directions than Pinnochio, and his nose is now longer than the House of Commons!

A short public enquiry was what was needed, four years ago!
85

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 18:47:24
83 Media at One - Fortunately, yours is a minority view in Scotland. There's no appetite in Scotland for illegal wars.
86

Robert Burns,

Ocean Beach, San Diego, California, U.S.A. 16/06/2009 18:58:15
He'd right better hold it in secret so that he can best position the inquiry for (a) avoiding the truth and (b) avoiding disclosure. I'm not certain that he will succeed, but hell awaits those who wage war on others by waging fraud on their subjects. I hope that the death penalty awaits the perpetrators.
87

Number 6,

Germany 16/06/2009 20:33:04
If this is a Whitewash,I wonder if "The Times" will republish the "Downing Street Memo" which proved the USA was "Fixing intelligence around the policy" concerning attacking Iraq?

This is how it begins..

This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.

No wonder this is behind closed doors. But what's the point? The memo dams them.
88

Media at One,

16/06/2009 20:47:19
Clamper -
Dont be so naive.
Iraq was a grave mistake, it was and still is a nightmare of epic proportions and it should never have happened. We all know that, we all respect that and the inquiry is a move toward avoiding such errors in the future. Surely we must learn from our mistakes? Brown is doing that as we speak and whilst I dont particularly like the guy I must applaud him in this regard.
In terms of the Scots not having an appetite for war - please dont insult me. I AM Scottish so I know we have an appetite for a fight. Many of our folk sing about sending them home tae think again, which is quite odd since it is now 2009.
Your blind belief that Scottish politicians within an independent Scotland would be any different to Scottish politicians like Brown is naive. This weakness of mind and willingness to believe that Scottish politicians are above and beyond dirty politics or illegal wars is absolute madness. Scottish politicians will be as dirty as they can get away with and as quick to send troops into battle as the next politician.
89

Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 21:03:50
A whole raft of petitions on the westmidden site - regarding the Iraq War.

http://search.petitions.number10.gov.uk/kbroker/number10/petitions/search.lsim?ha=1157&sc=number10&qt=Iraq+War

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Iraq-Inquiry/

The number of signatures calling for numpty to resign is now standing at 67829..
90

Jerry Springer,

16/06/2009 22:16:00
Cynicus it is not me you need to worry about.

It is Tartan Viking you should be concerned with.

It is not even safe to go to the toilet these days.
91

Joe Plaice,

the Nutmeg of Consolation 16/06/2009 22:44:10
Meeja@1 is to be congratulated on his excellent posts. His is a difficult and unrewarding task, that of showing up Broon and his cronies for the lying, cheating, warmongering scum that they are. If it weren't for Meeja would we have found the same level of outrage within ourselves that the actions of our deranged PM should instil? Possibly not. So, Meeja, thanks for inciting us to new levels of disgust and outrage and possibly driving yet more nails, (if any were needed), into Broon's political coffin.
92

Campaign Lawer,

Elgin 16/06/2009 23:36:22
The families of all who served in Iraq deserve better. This is a Human Rights issue

Blair deserves to go to the gallows for the way he deceived the people he was supposed to serve.

Brown is now trying to cover up Blair’s lies, but hopefully, the truth will come out in the end from 1 of the 55 million people in Britain who are honest.

The truth certainly won’t come from any “Labour Leach”
93

The ex Pat,

16/06/2009 23:57:20
Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

How does Brown spell transparancy. the word he used last week!
94

Bret,

Aberdeen 17/06/2009 07:15:29
"The primary objective of the committee will be to identify lessons learned. The committee will not set out to apportion blame or consider issues of civil or criminal liability."

This is to prevent Tony Blair et.al. being tried for crimes against humanity.
95

Bright Spark,

16/07/2009 02:28:31
Why not hold the meeting in secret? We already know it's been a total disaster anyway.

 

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