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West Virginia primary: Clinton record landslide win but Obama switches focus to McCain



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HILLARY Clinton won a landslide victory in West Virginia, but it will have little impact on the race for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination as the battle for the White House continues today.
Frontrunner Barack Obama paid little attention to the Mountain State, which offered only 28 delegates, and chose instead to turn his attention to November's general election battle against Republican John McCain.

But Mrs Clinton's strong performan
ce, in which she was leading Mr Obama by more than 40 points with 84% of the votes counted, highlighted the difficulties faced by her rival in attracting the support of white blue-collar workers.

Three quarters of white voters without college degrees backed Mrs Clinton and they made up nearly two-thirds of the state's voters.

Thanking supporters at her campaign headquarters in Charleston, West Virginia, Mrs Clinton said: "Like the song says, 'It's almost heaven'."
The victory was crucial for the former first lady's campaign since she suffered a heavy defeat in North Carolina, and only narrowly won Indiana, last week.

After last Tuesday's results many political pundits said the facial expressions of Mrs Clinton's husband, former president Bill Clinton, and the couple's daughter Chelsea – who were at her side during her speech – showed that they knew the 60-year-old New York senator's campaign was all but over.

During her victory speech in West Virginia early today, neither Mr Clinton nor Chelsea was present. Both were on the campaign trail elsewhere.

Mrs Clinton told the crowd: "You know I'll never give up. I'll keep on coming back and I'll stand with you as long as you stand with me."

She described the election as "unprecedented" and appealed to voters and the party's so-called superdelegates, who will decide its nominee, to "think hard about where we are in this election, and how we will win in November".

"This is not an abstract exercise," she said.

"This is for a solemn, crucial purpose. To elect a president, to turn our country around, to meet the challenges we face and seize the opportunity.

"It has been a long campaign but it is just an instant in time compared with the lasting consequences of the choice we will make in November."

She said she was "so grateful for this overwhelming vote of confidence".

"There are some who have wanted to cut this race short," she said.

"They say, 'Give up, it's too hard, the mountain is too high', but here in West Virginia you know a thing or two about rough roads to the top of the mountain.

"We know from the Bible that faith can move mountains, and my friends the faith of the Mountain State has moved me.

"I am more determined than ever to carry on this campaign until everyone has had a chance to have their voices heard."

She praised Mr Obama and said: "This continues to be a hard-fought race from one end of our country to the other, and yes we've had a few dust-ups along the way, but our commitment to bring America new leadership, that will renew America's promise, means that we have always stood together on what is most important."

Mrs Clinton also made another appeal to supporters for donations to fund her cash-strapped campaign and added: "We are in the homestretch, there are only three weeks left."

To a chorus of boos and shouts of "No", she said: "There are many who wanted to declare a nominee before the ballots were counted or even cast.

"This race isn't over yet. Neither of us has the total delegates it takes to win."

In an email from the candidate to her supporters, she wrote: "It's clear that the pundits declaring this race over have it all wrong.

"We've proved conventional wisdom wrong time and again in this race. We did it again... in West Virginia. Let's keep going."

Meanwhile, Mr Obama, who chose not to hold a high-profile election night event, was in the general election swing state of Missouri, which has already held its primary contest.

"This is our chance to build a new majority of Democrats and independents and Republicans who know that four more years of George Bush just won't do," he told supporters.

"This is our moment to turn the page on the divisions and distractions that pass for politics in Washington."

The 46-year-old Illinois senator will continue to concentrate on the general election as the prolonged primary season draws to a close on June 3, while Mrs Clinton now plans to concentrate on winning the support of voters in Kentucky, where she is again expected to perform well in next Tuesday's primary election.

But Mr Obama leads among pledged delegates, superdelegates, and the popular vote.

Mrs Clinton's best chance of success will come if the Democratic National Committee's rules panel, which meets on May 31, allows proposals to seat delegates that were stripped from Florida and Michigan after they violated party rules by holding their primaries too early.

If the delegates are reinstated that would increase the number of delegates needed to get the nomination from 2,025 to 2,209, giving her more time.

But even under the best scenario for Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama would still lead by about 100 delegates, with fewer than 250 superdelegates left to declare their support.



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  • Last Updated: 14 May 2008 9:01 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: US elections
 
1

Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 09:55:51
"Three quarters of white voters without college degrees backed Mrs Clinton and they made up nearly two-thirds of the state's voters"
So basically Clinton's support consists of idiots and women; I really can't wait for this farce to be over and for Clinton never to be seen again, with any luck....
2

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 14/05/2008 10:02:35
the margin of victory is unusually large. Obama didn't even campaign there. The people may have felt that was an insult to them. But, because the margin of victory is so very large I question if it is legitimate, if the votes were counted accurately.
3

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

14/05/2008 10:08:54
#1 Many Obama supporters have shown their true colours with this result. On CNN forums we have seen the sneering insults given about rednecks and hillbillies. Or we get the "they are racists" accusation - funnily we didn't get that about the 92% of blacks who voted for Obama in North Carolina.

I think it is simplistic in the extreme to say that race alone is the factor, or education or any other one issue. People vote for all sorts of reasons. That being said - one has to recognise that for those on low incomes Obama is a jump into the unknown that they just are not willing to take - many blue collar workers in other states feel the same. For them McCain and Clinton are known quantities - Obama is not. It is easy for white liberals annd the elite college graduates to support Obama - because they have the financial wherewithall to ride out a possible US recession - many blue collar workers don't have that comfort.

As for the math - sorry you are wrong Justin - we have been here before with McGovern's coalition of African-Americans and white liberals. For a democrat to win they need to have a much broader coalition.

And this is not being partisan - Clinton herself would need to widen her base if she somehow won the nomination. She can not rely wholly on the female, senior or blue collar vote. Equally, Obama needs to do a lot more to reach out to blue collar workers, to women, to those groups who he has not influenced such as seniors.

If he does not then I have a strong feeling that such voters, especially seniors and blue collar workers (the so-called Reagan Democrats), will gravitate to McCain.
4

Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 10:29:56
#3
I agree, but I think this election has shown alot of Americans up for what they seem to be: narrow minded: 85%-90% of Blacks voted for Obama, 60%-70% of women have voted for Clinton and McCain all the while must be laughing as he awaits a November election with, what is essentially, a novelty candidate.
I'd be ashamed if the UK electorate pidgeon holed themselves so easily into so called 'target' groups, although I wasn't alive when Thatcher won in 1979 I'd love to know what sort of female vote she recieved....
5

Dougie, Edinburgh,

14/05/2008 11:17:14
#4
Stu, I think you're being a little too self-righteous here. If you look at the racial demographics of the USA, you've got a country where the founding ethnic group, the people who built the country and used to consider it theirs, they're being demographically pushed out, soon to lose their majority status. You've got two other large confident assertive groups (ie. blacks and Hispanics), both nursing a grievance mentality against the largest ethnic group. This change in the demographic balance of power is exactly the situation which leads to heightened ethnic tension and very often blows up into ethnic war. The changing demographic situation in the USA has many similarities to what happened in Lebanon; the Christians used to demographically and politically dominate; due to the lower Christian birthrate, Muslims and other groups became stronger, wanted more political influence and it blew up into war. I'm afraid from a historical perspective, increasing ethnic conflict (political I mean) looks inevitable in the USA.

It's easy for us in overwhelmingly white Edinburgh to be smug about identity politics in the USA. But I can guarantee you that in more multi-ethnic parts of Britain, we're starting to see exactly the same kind of ethnic based politics as you're complaining about in the USA. The BNP for example is growing far stronger and starting to win large numbers of council seats in England. And in some areas, the Labour Party has been hijacked by other ethnic groups, Birmingham for example and in parts of London. Have a read of this:

http://www.birminghampost.net/news/politics-news/2008/04/28/asian-village-politics-and-its-effect-on-postal-voting-65233-20830149/

Even in Scotland, ethnic rivalry between native Scots and post-famine Irish immigrants still hasn't completely disappeared from politics after almost 200 years. And I'm sure you'll agree that in Northern Ireland, politics has a very strong ethnic character.

In summary, I think we've already got
6

Dougie, Edinburgh,

14/05/2008 11:17:59
(cont.)
In summary, I think we've already got similar situations in Britain to what you're deploring in the USA although it might not be so obvious in Edinburgh.
7

walter,

14/05/2008 11:19:02
I have said this before and I will say it again, the insinuation seems to be.
If a black person votes for Obama it is due to his policies.
If a black person votes for Clinton it is due to her policies.
If a white person votes for Obama it is due to his policies.
If a white person votes for Clinton it is due to them being racist.
8

Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 14/05/2008 11:43:13
#4
The link you provided makes for worrying reading, you point about Lebanon seems to prove what I've felt for a very long time: When religion and ethnicity is so diverse within a country it's only a matter of time until political wrangling turns into a street riot which eventually turns into a war. If I live for say another 55 years I'm certain we are going to see a war on a massive scale, who it will be between is unknown but sadly I feel it is an inevitability.
It is easy to be smug in white Edinburgh but the attitudes you describe sound very much like the classic 'us vs them' mentality which has become so prevelant in ethnic groups throughout the world.
9

Dougie, Edinburgh,

14/05/2008 12:00:42
Stu, let's hope we can stay smug in Edinburgh a bit longer yet :)
10

Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 14/05/2008 12:36:30
Just pick one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mc3GQmGGms
11

Stefan,

NYC 14/05/2008 14:11:18
#2. Wally. It was so one sided because West Virginia is populated by West Virginians. Yes, I'm a NY'er who thinks that the majority of people from areas without access to good cold cuts are just a bit slower than the rest. They're suckers and hicks. That's why we're able to ship our trash to their state for next to nothing.
12

mike - across the pond,

Stu... 14/05/2008 14:19:02
idiots & white women....

what, are you auditioning for BO's foreign press secretary?
13

mike - across the pond,

stefan.... 14/05/2008 14:23:39
you REALLY should get out some....

West Virginia is a BEAUTIFUL place...

and as far as "cold cuts"... well you have a taste for them because you cant get a good quality steak in the middle of the ant hill that is NYC.... for a decent price anyway...
14

Stefan,

NYC 14/05/2008 14:43:27
You're part right. It's a great place to hike or raft. I've been there a couple of times. The thing about areas like that is, there seems to be a large percentage of people that have never left their county. I can't help but notice you didn't move there...

Almost true on the cold cuts statement too. While I'm a pastrami guy, (Pastrami is the most sensuous of all the cured, dried meats), you can get a great delmonico steak at Arthurs for $20. it comes two ways, 16oz and 28oz.
15

Stefan,

NYC, land of pricey beef 14/05/2008 15:00:16
If I'm being truthful...you do have to go across the river to get it. (Jersey)
16

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 14/05/2008 18:00:41
I think Hillary Clinton already realizes that this race is now unwinnable. Her primary motive for staying in the race is to try and raise money to pay back some of the money she has loaned her campaign.

She may also think that if she stays in the race and keeps it close she strengthens her chance of being the running mate.

Unfortunately she does not realize that her chances of being the VP nominee are slim to none.

Nobody is going to have a running mate whose spouse is a Former President with a thing for interns. Bill is a scandal waiting to happen. He will probably insist on being included in cabinet meetings and putting his two sense in. Ships of State can only have one Captain. The Clintons would be a disruptive influence.

A good choice for running mate would be Gov. Bill Richardson. He would strengthen an obvious weakness in Obamas difficulty in attracting the Hispanic vote.
An area wear McCain will do well because of his Immigration Bill.

#14 Stefan

You have not experienced true deli heaven untill you have had real Montreal Smoked Meat.
17

mike - across the pond,

kampung 14/05/2008 18:35:26
I seriously doubt that Hillary wants to be VP...

its a largely symbolic position, berift of power. unlike Cheney, she would not get a seat at the "big boys table"...

she knows the long history of the spot...
Cheney... a different animal than all the rest in recent memory, and not an adversary to W...
algore... nada...
dan quayle.... nothing
GHWB... later became president but as VP... nothing
Mondale... zip
Rockefeller... filled the gap
Ford.... became president when Nixon resigned
Agnew... zip

AND, there is no real history of a VP being able to overtake an incumbent... hillary may not win in 08, but she certainly doesnt want to cash in her political chips just yet 2012 is right around the corner...

there is nothing for her there

on the Obama side, the BIG problem there is MICHELLE OBAMA... word on the street has it that Michelle Obama doesnt LIKE hillary... too much water under that bridge... if you think BO will take HRC against the wishes of his wife... well that just isnt going to happen...
18

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 14/05/2008 21:11:06
Here's the Washington Post's comments about how Hilary is done.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/13/AR2008051302862.html

and here's George Carlin's views on his favorite candidate who is Ron Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktIECyzf4YM&eurl=http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=158

Ron Paul won 7% of the vote in West Virginia and 13% in nebraska recently. Ron Paul will be at the convention. and if something happens to McCain, he'll be ready.
19

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 14/05/2008 21:14:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIEkXd8xSCI&feature=related

Here's George Carlin stumping for Ron Paul.
20

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

14/05/2008 21:35:28
Wally - Ron Paul is a moron - if McCain died they'd have Hillary Clinton before him . . .
21

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14/05/2008 23:10:11
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22

Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 14/05/2008 23:10:14
Since W. Va is the most uneducated State in the US, I'd hardly be thrilled about winning it. Very wise of Obama to give it to her and not waste his campaign funds there.
23

Barbara O'Neill E.,

Las Vegas, Nevada 15/05/2008 00:31:22
Anyway you cut the cake, the U.S. is in big trouble come November. I cannot fathom that in a country of over 3 billion citizens these 3 candidates are the best we could come up with. Scares the s*** out of me for our future.
24

Laurette,

Carlsbad, Ca 15/05/2008 03:28:14
#23 I totally agree! It scares me too!!
25

57Nomad,

california 15/05/2008 03:32:30
#22 Laurette

Laurette, no one's vote counts more than anyone else's. West Virginia is a wonderful state and the people there are hard working and decent. A persons educational pedigree is no indication of what kind of person they are. Since you are so much smarter than they are, tell us all how and why the state of West Virginia came into being.
26

57Nomad,

california 15/05/2008 03:37:08
#17 Mike

Mike, I believe you are correct, Hillary doesn't want to be VP. She wants to be president. It would not be beneath her to stay in the race for the sole reason of making sure that she has a chance to damage Obama enough that he will lose the general election. That way she only has to wait four years to try again instead of eight.
27

TSW at the Cyber Shebeen,

15/05/2008 14:09:00
19 Wally

Ron Paul supporters are nutters that wear tin foil hats and are A-Sexual.
28

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16/05/2008 22:36:57
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