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Neck and neck again in race for White House



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Published Date: 06 September 2008
JOHN McCain is again level in the polls with his Democratic rival, Barack Obama, whose eight-point lead last weekend has evaporated.
A CBS poll yesterday put support for both candidates in the race to the White House at 42 per cent. The poll was conducted before Mr McCain's speech to his party convention, and appears to show that the clear lead shown last weekend after Mr Obama wooed the Democratic party faithful at the Denver convention has vanished, with the "not sures" now dominating.

When the conventions started, polls found voters split 47-47 per cent between the candidates. After two weeks of wall-to-wall publicity, support is still evenly split, but now at 42-42 per cent, with a whopping 16 per cent of voters wondering whether either man can get to grips with the country bogged down in a faraway war and teetering on the edge of recession.

"He's no Sarah Palin," was the consensus among Republicans streaming out of their party's convention after Mr McCain's underwhelming speech.

On Thursday, Mrs Palin, who was a surprise choice for the vice-presidential nomination, wowed the convention with a blistering speech in which she described herself as "a pitbull" .

And, in a move that is likely to further bolster her appeal with the right, it emerged last night that Mrs Palin's oldest son, Track, 19, is to serve in Iraq. Beau Biden, the son of Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joe Biden, is also set to serve in the country.

Traditionally, convention speeches let US presidential candidates make a pitch to the nation, but Mr McCain's efforts seemed rambling and incoherent.

He based his appeal on his time as a fighter pilot and prisoner of war in North Vietnam, telling voters: "I fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else's."

As a result, he said, his would be a non-ideological presidency aimed at problem-solving. "Again and again I've worked with members of both parties to fix problems," he said. "That's how I will govern as president."

But that failed to give voters a clear idea of where he stands on any of the key issues. "McCain took a scattershot approach that had me looking for themes," moaned Michael Goodwin, a New York Daily News columnist. "I didn't find any."

The 72-year-old senator also promised that he would clean up a rotten political establishment, saying: "Let me offer an advance warning to the old, big-spending, do-nothing, me-first-country-second Washington crowd: change is coming."

Mr McCain's main problem is that, after 26 years in the Senate, he is part of that establishment, currently run by a Republican president.

Mr McCain has found himself boxed in by the contradictions that threaten to wreck his campaign. First, he has to position himself as different from George Bush, the most unpopular president in recent times, but not lose core Republican support. Second, he has to appeal to the right wing and the centrist swing voters in the party.

Republican conservatives demanded, as the price of their support, that Mr McCain back them in opposing abortion, in demanding a round-up of illegal immigrants and in promising that creationist biology will be taught in schools.

But Mr McCain dare not mention these policies for fear of alienating the swing voters, so none was mentioned in his 50-minute speech. The few policies he felt able to articulate included promises to give parents "choice" in their children's schooling and support for a dramatic energy programme to expand oil drilling in the United States and invest in nuclear power.


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  • Last Updated: 05 September 2008 11:34 PM
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  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: US elections
 
1

Resolutions,

06/09/2008 00:28:22
Well his annual 'party' is just over and folks are intrigued by the running mate- so you would expect things to even up a bit.

Once the campaigns are running full blast, we'll be even sicker of them than we are now.
2

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 06/09/2008 00:36:22
But, most Americans know how often he has crossed party lines to get things done. He would not be called a maverick if he was part of the establishment.
The reporter can spin this anyway he wants, but more people watched McCain and Palin that Barak Obama.
I notice that he also left out the fact one of the McCain sons is just back from Iraq, and another is in the Naval Academy, where when he graduates, he must give 5 years of service (if things haven't changed since I went to school).
3

JFD HIBEE,

san francisco 06/09/2008 01:02:59
MR STEPHEN SHOULD ALSO NOTE THAT JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN PART OF THE WASHINGTON ESTABLISHMENT LONGER THAN Mc CAIN.
4

Scullion,

Canada 06/09/2008 01:29:50
I certainly do think that the fact that McCain's son is just back from service and Palin's is just going in is a real boon for the Republicans. However, GH Bush's WWII heroics, his victory in Desert Storm and the fall of communism didn't help him against a man who never served because the American people wanted jobs in a poor economy. The same is true today. If Obama hammers at the economic downturn under the Republicans, the all important rust belt will respond. McCain's self admitted igorance of economics may be the sword he has to fall upon.
5

Harry "Dingy" Reid,

Las Vegas 06/09/2008 01:47:31
4 Scullion

Sounds like you have never heard of a Presidents "Cabinet". You make it sound like leaders make all decisions with advice from experts.
6

SouthernGent,

06/09/2008 01:52:48
#4
The problem is that Obamas Tax plan will be the final nail in the economy's coffin.
7

Scullion,

Canada 06/09/2008 01:58:20
#5 Like the captain of the ship, it is the president who will answer for any and all failures in his administration. Any president who blames a cabinet member is a coward-plus, he picked him/her for the post.
8

Harry "Dingy" Reid,

Las Vegas 06/09/2008 02:03:17
#7 Scullion

Nice try to spin it. No one said anything about a president blaming a cabinet member.
9

2dogs in D.C.,

06/09/2008 02:11:56
#8-Hi,HMC.Harry-Remember "Brownie"? And what ever happened to Rumsfeld? Roll on November.
10

Reekin' Lum,

06/09/2008 02:35:18
The above "reporter" states: "Traditionally, convention speeches let US presidential candidates make a pitch to the nation, but Mr McCain's efforts seemed rambling and incoherent. "
He then cites a New York Post columnist :"McCain took a scattershot approach that had me looking for themes," moaned Michael Goodwin, a New York Daily News columnist. "I didn't find any."
"Moaned"??? the columnist is a leftwinger in Obama's camp. That's it then for a balanced view?

The above pathetic article should trigger an investigation as to what this Scotsman reporter (Chris Stephens ) is doing in the US to start with, his political leanings, which are obviously totally biased and whby is he reporting in this fashion?. Cannot this newspaper get a reporter who can report the facts without the slant? ( either in this country of the US)???
Stephens, you're not from the country so try and get it right. You people who presume to have the truth, whose opinions are beyond reproach, lose half your audience when those who actually know will no longer heed your prejudices- look at Craig Ferguson on his Late Late Show and his Bush and Republican bashing-who lost half his audience when he would come out with his daily/nightly idiocy, negating a generally very intelligent show.



11

Reekin' Lum,

06/09/2008 02:40:56
"Many were left distinctly underwhelmed by the presidential candidate's convention speech "

More claptrap from Mr. Stephens who I would dearly liker to meet since he's reporting from New York.

Since I am also in New York, I'mk sure we can arrange something.

I also think we need an explanation from the Scotsman as to why their rules on unbiased reporting were flaunted and the Editor permitted the above travesty to be printed.
12

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 06/09/2008 03:25:00
I agree with #10 &11, Reekin' Lum.

Mr Stephen needs to get away from his left-wing press clique and meet some real American people for a change.

At least he refrained from crawling in the gutter with the psychopathic bloggers this time.
13

Carolyn 1,

06/09/2008 03:32:58
Here's a good read (better than Chris Stephen) comparing Palin with the UK politicians:

WHY, why, why can’t WE have a Sarah Palin?
"A week ago few in Britain had heard of Palin.

Today, the moose-huntin’ mom is the most talked-about woman in the world.

And with good reason.

Her sensational performance at the Republican convention may turn out to be the moment the White House slipped from Barack Obama’s grasp.

She was an electrifying mix of passion, energy, optimism and plain speaking. The exact opposite of the slippery, two-faced, depressing bunch of third-raters who parade on our Westminster stage. "......

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/columnists/fergus_shanahan/article1647092.ece
14

Team Scotland,

FC UK No! 06/09/2008 03:39:49
If the Republicans win and McCain dies in office, the idea of Palin having all our futures in her hands is terrifying. She is plainly irrational, promoting creationism and ignoring climate science. Unfortunately unlike Bush she will not know her place. She is arrogant enough to think she is clever and the backroom boys will fail to keep her in her cage.
15

Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 06/09/2008 03:57:46
The Republicans will win the White House. Bet on it.

Irrational??Really?? because she stands by her family. Apparently loves her husband. Works. Has been elected Governor...All by age forty four.

She hunts and is super foxy..The lefty twits just can't stand it..Yahoo...her against Wendy Salamander..What a Joke.

Yahoo..

16

Pender Paul,

Pender Island 06/09/2008 04:25:44
What really sickens me is the number of correspondents who take it upon themselves to take cheap shots at the left wing of politics. And yet these same folks are the "love thy neighbour as thyself" right wing Christians who spend countless hours each week on their collective knees praying for love and understanding. What a lot of clap-trap. Bad cess to all of them. Don't you right wingers realize how you are being manipulated by big business (the same folks that have boosted fuel prices through the ceiling), have moved industry off-shore and have gouged you at the teller's wicket, etc., etc.? Palin is as phony as a three dollar bill--I'd much prefer to see her brother Michael running for office.
17

Wally,

By THe Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 06/09/2008 04:41:59
The Gallup Poll done on the same day had Obama up by 5. The Zogby poll done on same day had Obama up by 2. But I admit that McCain has been closing the margin. and this poll was taken before McCain's speech, maybe he'll get a bounce.
18

Josiecamp,

San Francisco 06/09/2008 05:12:30
One hour ago I finished watching and listning to Jim Leher's report on PBS here in our city. I don't base my life on Polls but since it is the premise of the above article, I can state that PB reports that Obama Barakis eleven points ahead of John McCain overall, eight points ahead on the economy and even on defence and security. The United States is a para-militaristic establishment (just like pre-WW2 Germany) where spending on military industries is parammount to our plans for world domination and on this issue John McCain is leaing and diverting from the real issues facing our nation, where we still have over Fifty Million denied Health-care insurance and one hundred and twenty million below the poverty level. Unfortunately we Americans wear our hearts on our sleeves and do not bring our Politicians to task on the real issues. It is just passed 9:00pm here so I will go and listen to Bill Moyers and return to sanity.
19

Mallory,

Edinburgh 06/09/2008 05:18:45
Reekin Lum #11

What makes you think that the Scotsman, like the BBC, has any rules on unbiased reporting?

Our experience here in the UK is that both are filled with bias over the selection of topics to report and the content of that reporting.

At least the internet gives us the opportunity to research all points of view and watch full speeches from the participants in the US Election.

Take a look at the links displayed More US Elections column on the right at the top of this page. The trivia reflects the desperate lines of Democrat attack.

Best comment heard so far - She (Palin) combines the grace of Jacqui Kennedy with the iron determination of Margaret Thatcher.
20

Let's have the truth,

In a bomb shelter 06/09/2008 05:19:02
Sadly, when the push comes to the push, even though they know it's wrong, white people will not vote for Obama.
21

Jock Smith,

Waukesha 06/09/2008 05:23:23
As a new USA citizen and therefore a first time voter, I find myself drawn to the Republican party over the democrats. Having said that, I could never vote for a party that would remove a woman's right to choose, and McCain and his pitbull have said over and over, that abortion is top of their agenda.
I feel, unless they change their stance on this, the Republican party will lose millions of votes, especially from women.
I will wait and see if they change their stance then I will decide.
22

Wolf1957,

Normally NC, USA (Currently Afghanistan) 06/09/2008 05:34:21
Again Chris Stephens demonstrates his complete ignorance of Americans and American politics, or flagrant bias.

#4 Scullion: "If Obama hammers at the economic downturn under the Republicans, the all important rust belt will respond. McCain's self admitted igorance of economics may be the sword he has to fall upon."

The downturn that has occurred since the Democrats took control of Congress, you should add. Given that so many "experts" can't seem to economics right, I don't think people will hold that against McCain. He's not talking about raising taxes, Obama is.

With Palin on the ticket, Obama will not gain a single Southern state. The only time the Dems have been able to win the White House in the last 30 years is when they can pick off a few Southern states. The South is more important electorally than the rust belt. If Obama can't split the Southern block, he will lose. Period.
23

Geoff,

sa 06/09/2008 07:25:31
In general I am fascinated by how drawn out these campaigns are-the amount of time and money spent is staggering. I like both Obama and McCain-both appeal for different reasons so i am not surprised that the race is neck and neck thus far. An Obama win would be an incredible victory for non-racialism-a predominantly white america electing a black president would also hopefully send a powerful message to our race obsessed governmemnt in south africa. McCain comes across as a wiser older head and anyone who experienced the horror of a Vietnam prison camp and survived has to be a toughie deserving of our admiration.
24

Geoff,

sa 06/09/2008 07:33:28
Also,and no offence to the yanks, but the conventions are such cheap and shallow theatre-all baubles and glitter and balloons. Are the american electorate really of such a low mentality that they need all those corny theatrics to help them decide on who should be President. The one that really nauseates me (at which Hillary clinton is a master)is the sudden widening of the eyes and pointing as they feign surprise at seeing an old friend in the audience-such a warm human touch.
25

Goring Heath,

Middle Rain Forest 06/09/2008 07:59:25
I don't expect the Scotsman to fire this 'reporter' for ignorance, because he clearly makes things up out of whole cloth. But I don't expect him to be fired for fabrication, either, because he's so blatantly ignorant. So, if he stays on at The Scotsman, what does it say for Johnston Press? It says they want to become more like the BBC.
26

Richardinho,

06/09/2008 08:34:11
'Republican conservatives demanded, as the price of their support, that Mr McCain back them in opposing abortion, in demanding a round-up of illegal immigrants and in promising that creationist biology will be taught in schools.'

McCain and Obama are Tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee as far as I'm concerned, but if McCain really intends to introduce the teaching of 'Creationist biology' psuedo science in schools, that's enough to make me hope that he doesn't get into power.
27

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 06/09/2008 08:48:00
This 'reporter' seems to me like a fully paid-up member of the liberal middle-class angst club who dominate the media here. For them, all Obama needed to be the perfect choice for President was to be black. Then they can all assuage their guilt at being born white and reasonably well off by backing your man. See me, see how worthy and 'inclusive' I am? I remember a few months ago when Obama first emerged as a possible contender. Sarah Smith and Jon Snow on Channel 4 were having a mutual org*sm session together at the prospect of a black man in the White House. He could have been Jack the Ripper for all they knew of him but, hey, he's black, what more can you ask for? Patronising sods.
28

MacGillicuddy,

06/09/2008 09:00:59
Gawd love 'em if Obama and McCain are the best that all of the USA can come up with for its president. They well deserve each other!
29

gus1940,

Edinburgh 06/09/2008 09:04:42
So The Georgia War Dividend of scaring the gullible US electorate by orchestrating the crisis is paying off for the Republicans.
30

LowNote,

North Berwick 06/09/2008 09:11:36
As an American living in Scotland, I have to agree that this article is a pathetic piece of reporting--shallow, biased and lacking substance. Can't the Scotsman get a higher quality reporter on this beat? Given the power of the U.S. and its close relationship with Scotland and the U.K., this would seem to be the most important reporting job outside of this country.
31

Pilrig.,

Livingston 06/09/2008 09:23:56
1 - yep, can't they hold the election next week so we are all spared this bore-athon ?
32

Pilrig.,

Livingston 06/09/2008 09:35:07
15 - as Mt Spock would say "she's illogical"
She's pro-life but loves killing animals - where's the rationality in that ?
She's a creationist - enuf said !
And it was reported when she was town mayor she planned to ban certain books from the town's libary. The librarian objected and was sacked, but only reinstated when the townsfolk kicked up a fuss.
I suspect "Origin of Species" was one of the books on Palin's hit-list. Instead, of banning books she should read 'em. Go for it Sarah - read Joyce's "Ulysses" and Burgess's "A Clockwork Orange" and liberate yer mind !
33

drunken proffet,

Tassy 06/09/2008 09:48:13
Being an outsider looking in, I sometimes wonder if the American Democratic system is in fact a game show, promoted by the powers that be to keep the natives happy. I could be wrong, however I would say that in Australia for a fraction of the cost we appear to have the same standard of politicians as the USA. I also admit that the USA has been instrumental in introducing democracy to the rest of the world. Would it be too much to ask that they practice what they preach. You have two presidential candidates who achieved their positions through the expenditure of vast sums of money. Is it not about time that the political parties promoted ability and integrity which you appear to have with your existing canditates, without spending the money. Is it so difficult to achieve that in the USA. I for one would feel more confident in seeing a President elected for his ability and integrity rather than his assets, and I believe Australia is on your side.
34

Electric Hermit,

06/09/2008 10:26:09
"creationist biology"

What on Earth would that be? Biology is a science. Creationism is a silly superstition. Chris Stephen would do well to reflect on the difference.
35

Media 1,

cape town 06/09/2008 10:26:27
McCain will be playing catch up the whole way, which is why he will miss out in the end!
Every time there is a surge in McCainville, there is a bigger surge coming in the Obama camp.
At the end of the day, McCain is a war monger, plain and simple.
36

jdships,

06/09/2008 10:28:21
31 Pilrig.,Livingston
You "got my vote " on that !!!
American Presendential elections are a "Three ringed circus" a "game show" and a "reality show" all rolled into one .

Trouble is from these shallow theatricals we get the most powerful person on earth .
Oh dear !!
37

Media 1,

cape town 06/09/2008 10:33:20
drunken proffet

You are of course correct in your assessment of American politics. Their system is hollow, short sighted and dishonest, much like theur leaders. A better system would be for a certain amount of tax money to be kept to one side so that the candidates could go on a campaign trail. No television adverts and no private funding would go a long way to cleaning up this current cesspit of lies,deceit and shameful slander.
American poltics is still in its infancy by comparison to European politics, so perhaps we should allow them some time to catch up! One would think they would have done so by now though.
38

Media 1,

cape town 06/09/2008 10:51:00
This election is one of the most important in the history of American politics. Osama Bin Laden has been protected by the Bush administration for the last 8 years and that protection continues to this day, which is why Bin Laden has never been caught. His many videos over the years have been bought and paid for by the American powers that be, these videos are SO IMPORTANT for the continued occupation of oil rich land.
The twin towers were sacrificed in order to obtain a free ticket into Iraq, which again is why Bin Laden was NEVER pursued by Bush and his cronies - McCain is a Bush man, he is also a war mongering maniac and Osama will be safe under his governance. BUT under an Obama government, Osama will be cut off and perhaps exposed..
That will open up a can of worms so big it will ROCK the foundations of American politics for decades.

So - Cmon Obama
39

Silence of the Yams,

06/09/2008 11:06:29
Obama Bin Laden is who I'm worried about. God help us!
40

Media 1,

cape town 06/09/2008 11:10:59
Silence of the Yams

Obama doesnt have a hope in hell of reaching the depths of evil that men like Bush and McCain are used to reaching!
Bin Laden was commissioned by your own leaders to attack America - Hence why he is still out there and Saddam is not. It is so obvious it is frightening.
41

Silence of the Yams,

06/09/2008 11:13:20
Media 1, utter hysterical garbage. If that's what you beleive I pity you! Don't confuse Reagan's bungled attempts at backing militant rag heads against the Soviets with John McCain. Fatal mistake.
42

Media 1,

cape town 06/09/2008 11:22:13
Silence of the Yams

In your eyes, politicians are morally sound and incapable of such deceit. In mine, they are capable of dropping atomic bombs on innocent civilians, they are capable of cover ups and scandal. They are capable of training men like Osama Bin Laden (oh wait,they already did that)
In my eyes, Osama Bin Laden was the person Bush was supposed be going after following his little blow horn speech on the rubble of the twin towers to the chants of "HUGH ES AY" HUGH ES AY"
It never happened, and how easy it was to manipulate so many with such horror.
They knew that was coming because it had been commissioned years before - they may not have known when or how, but they knew!
War is their drug, war is their need, it is what keeps America afloat.
That is why CHANGE is so important - BARRACK OBAMA knows that and his intentions is to clean up America's act and rid her of the poison that comes in the shape of people like Bush Snr, Bush jnr and McCain.

Where is Bin Laden? Yeah, keep believing your man Bush is a charming and morally perfect citizen.
43

Eric D,

Alba 06/09/2008 11:22:52
I don't believe the US will vote for another Jimmy Carter type.

There's no evidence to suggest Barack Hussien Obama will approach the Bin Laden issue any differently.

British politics aren't any better than the US - a bit more subtle but just as cynical ( see Teflon Tony, Alistair Campbell et al).
44

drunken proffet,

Tassy 06/09/2008 11:28:33
#37 Hi, I was not criticising the American system, I only mentioned that for a lot less money they could achieve the same result. Australia is a beautiful country and if we did not have politicians then the papers would have no news to print. I get the same ideas as you but can no longer afford the bottles they come out off. (sorry about that, pretty scruffy to end with a preposition.) I have come to realise over the years that democracy, like beauty, lies in the eyes of the beholder. It is about time somebody invented something else that also involved a secular government. I also believe that a considerable effort should be made to keep Obama, the President to be, alive over the next twenty or thirty years. Not a lot I could do, even if I had the ability.
45

Media 1,

cape town 06/09/2008 11:31:41
Eric

You cannot name him Barrack Hussein Obama, because no matter how hard you try, you will not find his name on the end of any war head in Iraq.
Barrack Obama did not stand on top of the twin tower rubble and promise to get the people who did it, only to do the opposite.
Obama is not a war mongering psychopath, nor his he a pawn belonging to his dad and his dad's best men. Nor is he in the pocket of the neo con terrorists who must make money on their weapons.
Oh I love it, Obama is scaring the crapp out of them, which is why I fear for his life.
The Bush administration has so much to hide and that scares me. We already know what they are capable of, I fear for Obama.
He is the man for the job.
46

Andrah,

Embrugh 06/09/2008 11:42:00
14# Like many in the US she is religious, and such persons believe to a certain extent in an assortment of superstitious myths. However, she has played the creationist stuff down in her public stance.

The fact that she does not support the global warming myth is to be applauded. There is little "science" only another load of myths which have developed into a new pseudo-religion.
Below are recent links to articles from politicians in New Zealand and Northern Ireland who also eloquently address the MMGW nonsense.

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/3425/Debate-must-replace-scaremongering-of.4464059.jp

http://nzclimatescience.net/inde...id=337& Itemid=1

19# I agree with you regarding the BBC.
All publications and commercial broadcasters have a biased agenda driven by their owners and to some extent their customers. However we are not forced to pay a tax enforced by a threat of imprisonment for them, unlike the BBC's non-stop stream of left-wing liberalism with scarcely any dissenting views being expressed throughout the day.
One of the latest examples is the disparity in it's treatment of the two US party Conventions with last week, the BBC giving top billing and drooling over the Obamessiah, almost to the point of hysteria, meanwhile this week, delivering a continuous dose of sniping and sneering at Mc Cain/Palin.
47

indune1,

Canada 06/09/2008 11:47:20

46 - Are you a reporter for the BBC?
48

Jewel of the Forth,

Fife 06/09/2008 12:45:59
#14 Team Scotland

So you would rather they have the irrational team win with the person (Obama) with no experience in the drivers seat?
49

Jewel of the Forth,

Fife 06/09/2008 12:48:45
#48 indune

No, but Media 1 is easily impressed by the Hollywood hype and can't see the empty suit that is Obama.
50

Axel Heidsmann,

Area 47 06/09/2008 12:58:15
To understand what's happening in America, it's necessary to study the literature, children's literature, and our very own JM Barrie's in particular. There was a time when every child in Scotland would have recognized the Tinker Bell in Sarah 'Around the Igloo in 80 Days' Palin. Why?

1. She was picked by John McCain - The Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up.
2. Her extremist rhetoric can be explained by her inability to experience more than one feeling at a time.
3. At the Republican National Convention, she made it possible for Republicans to fly, merely by sprinkling them with fairy dust.
4. Her survival is dependent upon enough people believing in her, and those like her.

I expect that there are Republicans out there who will rush to fill their pens with umbrage and call me blind for failing to see the Wendy Darling in their little Alaskan lumberjackette. Forget it. Wendy sewed Peter Pan's shadow back on. To have a shadow, you must have substance, and this is something that the Republican platform signally lacks.
51

indune1,

Canada 06/09/2008 13:03:26

So is Obama the crocodile or Captain Hook?

52

LaundryEnd,

Shropshire 06/09/2008 13:16:50
'Teaching'(!)'creationism', banning books, banning abortion, promoting guns, it all sounds frighteningly like the 1930's. And this is supposed to be a modern state that claims to lead the world!

Has no-one the intellectual capacity to say 'the king has no clothes'? and laugh these people off stage?
53

Pilrig.,

Livingston 06/09/2008 13:18:40
Chipman is 72 years auld, the job might be too much for him and he might peg oot. I mean, when (or if ) I reach the age of 72, all I will want to do is relax and take it easy.
It's common knowledge that Ronnie Reagan used to nod off during meetings at the White Hoose, as did Churchill in his second tenure as PM. And then there's Johnny Jenks, the famed sleeping cooncilor in Midlothian, who used to snooze during cooncil meetings.
The point is that McCain might be too auld for the job, then they've got the greenhorn pitbull in instead.

Get the tin hats oot WW3 is coming !


BOOOMMM !!!!!
54

Pilrig.,

Livingston 06/09/2008 13:20:56
53 - I'm having a laugh, no doubt a lot of people ootside of the States are chuckling too.
But we're on the ootside, and besides, most Americans don't vote anyway (can't blame 'em)
55

Axel Heidsmann,

Area 47 06/09/2008 13:48:58
#52

Obama is the ticking clock that Peter Pan McCain imitates to put the wind up Capt Hook.

In the modern version, Capt Hook becomes Capt Tailhook the 91st, the dark side of Peter Pan's personality.
56

Boston sports fan,

06/09/2008 14:47:23
Obama has nobody but himself to blame. He proved that he lacked the judgement to make the best decision when he chose his vp candidate. His ego refused to let him choose Hillary. She could have brought him many votes. Women are tired of being blown off by the old boy network that doesn't take their abilities seriously and look upon them as uppity. The DNC proved once again that it's all about lip service. This is why independents like myself believe it's time for a third party.
57

ebbi,

spain 06/09/2008 15:49:36
i really feel sorry for a nation like america to have go through this circus to be imposed on by another president who would do exactly the same as the previous ones.this is a club and who ever becomes a member his or her convictions are not the welfare of the citizens nor the country.it is a capitalist system and all is about money and money and more money.those who don´t have it can go to hell!!!!this is capitalism at its best.
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Kelvino,

NY 06/09/2008 16:13:28
Hunting moose has the same level of sportsmanship as
shooting cows in a pasture. They trustingly look at you and then. . . KABOOM ! Sarah-Burgers !

Just an observation from Northern New York State !


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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 06/09/2008 16:56:50
#46 Media1.. No...You are right, he voted against the war, he voted to stop funding the troops in harm's way, and he went to Europe to apologize for America.. (no one asked him to). He sits at the knees of Nancy Pelosi ( an American traitor) and the undertaker Harry Reid. He is as far left as they are. His comments on Russia and the war between them and Georgia took 3 tries to get it right. He is lacking in everything. I listen to the business shows on Cable and Satellite, and they ALL say he will bring not a Recession, but a Depression with his and the Dems' idea of economics.
Pay the people collecting the welfare checks for sitting on their tushes, while the small businessman is footing the bill and going out of business. Tax the corporations so they have to send their businesses out of the country..while the Corporations are the highest taxed in the world already.

I wish you people who do not live in the USA, do not know how our gov't works would either read, learn, or shut up.

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Kelvino,

NY 06/09/2008 18:01:36
#60 - (quoting you post. . . )
"I wish you people who do not live in the USA, do not know how our gov't works would either read, learn, or shut up."

I might remind you that you are attempting to explain all of this US government deception on The SCOTSMAN. . .NOT a US entity. Given their perspective and geographic objectivity, I suspect that many of those posting today have a somewhat clearer view of us than we would care to admit. Your explanation of things clearly points to the utter confusion many of us share in the USA. We simply do not know exactly who the real controllers are, who is reaping the profits, who is really taking from all of us for personal gain, who has given away our jobs, who wants to gamble away your social security, who is making millions by feeding misinformation via AM radio and satellite.
I do not blame you for being angry, wanting to blame the "left," etc. We are all angry and we actually have the same enemy and it is NOT each other ! NONE of us had a say in most of these poor decisions, we simply tried to vote for folks that seemed to think like us; we voted with FAITH, not necessarily facts.
I believe we've all been duped by big-money interests that simply have no concern for us whatever. More and more it feels like indentured servitude. . . "I owe my soul to the company store," Wal*Mart, etc.

I live in a rural area where a large percentage of local people are self-employed in some manner. Very few can afford health insurance ( $700. - $1200. / month) or business insurance. It does not help us to hear about mooseburgers, snowmobiles, lapel pins,
"elite" people who can actually read, "middle-class stimulus" bribery checks (right before an election, no less !) and "change" in general.

We need our kids educated for jobs that are still actually here in the USA, we need to feel that if we get sick we won't lose our homes, we need taxation that does NOT support killing innocent people like ourselves in a country that did
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Kelvino,

NY 06/09/2008 18:09:10
not attack us. We have been successfuly "divided and conquered" by corporate profiteers and we will get absolutely nowhere if we keep blaming each other for the difficulties we all collectively share. In a country where almost 10% of existing mortgages are either behind in payment or in forclosure, we really need to look at the banking system that sold this "easy money" to folks who were only trying to buy a home for their family, as well as the "cash advances" that people use to buy food, etc. The "company store" idea is bleeding us all dry. . . .
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Sandi,

San Diego 06/09/2008 18:37:31
Governor Palin gave the weekly Republican radio address this morning. Here is a link to a site where you can access it.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/6qqzd5

#21, Jock Smith

Nobody is going to take away a woman's right to choose. John Roberts, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court has said it is settled law and will not change.

The Republican Party will do nothing to take it away because they use it constantly to get their right-wing religious nutters out to vote.

The Democratic Party uses it in exactly the same way, as a potential threat so that its voters will vote against the evil Republicans.

Roe v. Wade is going nowhere.

#60 Lynne,

Barack Obama has never voted against the war in Iraq. He was not in the US Senate when that vote occurred. He made one (1) speech, of which there is no record other than the recording made in a studio years after the fact, against the war.
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mike - across the pond,

kelvino.... doin the math... 06/09/2008 18:38:59
kelvino...

who are you faulting for this mortgage thing...

bottom line, if you cant afford the mortgage payment on house you live in... WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO LIVE THERE?

"We need our kids educated for jobs that are still actually here..."
so lets get this straight... you want our kids (who wont enter the workforce for 5-10 years) educated for jobs that were in their peek needs 5-10 years before they actually enter the workforce?

what we NEED is a FLEXABLE work force that can be trained in a 12-18 month period for the jobs that are needed in the next 2-5 years... you may NEED to retrian 3 to even 10 times over your work career... the idea that you can train in high school for a job that you will have for the next 50 years is simply not real for the majority of the workforce... the world no longer works that way....
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Dekester,

Canda's westcoast 06/09/2008 18:42:55
#20...Hmm

90% of blacks never vote for Whites..Marrion Barry in DC. Fitzgerald a prominent Black Mayor in Detroit..check them out and look for the spin.
So what is your point..PBS ( for those that do not know.) is the Public broadcasting service, and Bill Moyers is a very nice, but is truly yesterdays man, and a Lilly white liberal.

Obama needs not fear the pathetic white liberals. It is the Asians/and Latinos that are unlikely to vote for Obama, especially in Texas, and Florida.

All the best.

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Dekester,

Canada' westcoast 06/09/2008 18:52:07
#60 Well said.

I just arrived back from Europe last week. To my home here on Canada's westcoast. We border Alaska on the North, and Washington State to the south.

Obama has been a disasterous pick for the Dems..The party elite knew it half way through the primaries.

As can be seen by his swoon at the end.He has no chance of taking the "battle ground,swing states."

Hillary will be choking, she is no longer the U.S.'s female political star.

He I can't even vote in your elections. However I simply love the process..

All the best.



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Phillip,

06/09/2008 18:56:11
Kelvino, you obviously have been leaving food out for your moose. When animals begin to associate humans with food, they tend to become trusting and docile. That also comes with frequent exposure to humans. If you go into the wilderness of Alaska and hunt moose that really hasn't been around many humans, doesn't have to cross interstates and may never have even seen a car, you learn that a charging Moose is a deadly sight.

As for Global Warming, I'm not so sure I believe everything about it either. Climatic history shows us that the Earth goes through warm and cold periods. We left our last cold snap in the early 19th century. The Earth gradually started to rise in temperature before mass industrialization, just as it has done countless times before when a cold period ends. The difference was that in the 20th century it began to rise faster than in previous periods. However, it should be noted that the Cold Snap known as the Little Ice Age (which spanned from the 13th to the 19th centuries) also began with a temperature decline that was far more drastic and dramatic than previous periods. Whether the faster rate of increase in the 20th century is due to man or due to other phenomena is something we can debate, but the world would be warming no matter what. We still have not yet reached the average temperatures of the Medieval Optimum (5th to 12th Centuries) or the warm period that coincided with the height of the Greco-Roman Civilization (5th Century BC to 2nd Century AD). So long before industrialization can be blamed there were warmer periods. The only thing we might be able to blame on humans is the rate of increase, not that there is an increase. Also, in every case where temperatures increased, once it reached a certain point the natural cycles changed, causing the North Atlantic Current to weaken or shut down, which then brought about a sharp drop in temperatures and set off a Cold Snap such as the Little Ice Age. Once the temperature drops e
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 06/09/2008 19:03:08
60 - why read a Scottish newspaper site then ?
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mike - across the pond,

sandi... 06/09/2008 19:14:12
abortion rights...

methinks we are aproaching the center... lol

its refreshing to see a liberal acknowledge the supreme court has consistently ruled for the last 40 years that abortion rights are a "states rights" issue...

hailing from further up the coast from you I have seen DNC candidates successfully fearmongering that one issue against candidates who have never wavered from that "states rights" stance... (2000 Maria Cantwell vs Slade Gorton) and if you have heard Cantwell speak, you cant help but tilt your head to one side and say "w w w What?" unfortunately because incumbents win elections about 80% of the time until they are old and gray (gorton was 72 when he lost to Cantwell), I fear we are going to see her in office for at least 3 more terms...

I encourage you to use abortion as a "touchstone" issue... I do... if I hear a candidate lambasting his/her opponent on abortion, I look up that persons record... how they view it...

if they say "roe v wade must be outlawed"... the criticism is fair...

however, all too often there is NO SUCH EVIDENCE... and this issue is pure fearmongering.... and the accuser is all too often THIN on viable issues...

personally I'd like my leaders to lead us TO a future... not try to SCARE us from a "settled issue" that really isnt even an issue...
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57Nomad,

california 06/09/2008 19:17:54
#4 Scully

Scully, you are no doubt correct about Bush #41 failing because of a bad economy, but there are some differences. The first is that #41 was the incumbent President and rightly or wrongly it is the job of the President to assume responsibility for everything that happens on his (or her) watch. We know that this isn't always fair but it comes with the job and there is no whining or excuses accepted. "the buck stops here." Harry S. Truman.

McCain is a Senator. He is not a member of the Executive Branch of the government and they will never make a "bad economy" stick to him because the Democrats control the Senate. If they try to skewer McCain, the first blood drawn will be their own.

Second, and most important, is the this. What economic downturn? Here are the facts:

"Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property
located in the United States -- increased at an annual rate of 3.3 percent in the second quarter of 2008"

Can you explain why the economy expanding at a very healthy 3.3 per cent is a "downturn"? Despite, what seems like worldwide opinion to the contrary, we have been at this democracy business for four hundred years. We're pretty good at it. We are expected to earn our way in the world from the time we are children and consequently have a firm grasp of practical economics. That's why the socialist thing never caught on in the US and never will.

We know that most of the negative news about the economy is linked directly to the rise in the price of oil. A couple of months ago the price of a barrel of oil was about 180 dollars and expected to rise to 200 dollars. This did not fill us with optimism about the future. But, Sarah Palin-like, out or nowhere, that last tulip didn't find a buyer and the price of oil will likely drop lower than 100 dollars a barrel in the coming weeks.

John McCain and Sarah Palin will win walking away. Barak Obama will be lucky to carry five states.
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57Nomad,

california 06/09/2008 19:40:32
#14 Team Scotland

I'm wondering, how many guys do you have on your team?

TS said:

"She is plainly irrational, promoting creationism and ignoring climate science. Unfortunately unlike Bush she will not know her place. She is arrogant enough to think she is clever and the backroom boys will fail to keep her in her cage."

One of you is irrational, but it's not Sarah. Sarah Palin has never "promoted" creationism. What she called for was free speech in the classroom so that children could express their opinions with out fear of reprisal. For a quick overview of this notion, google "the first amendment to the US constitution". It expressly forbids the government, and schools are part of the government, from impinging on a citizens right to speak their minds. She did not promote creationism and anyone who says so is a liar.

She may or may not share your views on "climate change" and while we are at it, what happened to "global warming"? Why the name change?

Sarah Palin is an extraordinary human being, forget the woman thing. She won the Alaska state championships for her high school team by sinking a free throw in the last second of the game. That's pretty poised, but when you throw in that one of her legs was broken, it adds a little something, don't you think?. How do you do out there on the pitch when you are playing with a broken leg?

Now this: "she will not know her place." What the hell is that supposed to mean? Know her place?!?!?!? She will know her place perfectly. It's called the White House. It's called the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States. It will be called the most powerful woman who ever lived in the history of the human race. Wonderfully enough she will also be known as "mom" and "grandma."

"Know her place," indeed!
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Carolyn 1,

06/09/2008 19:48:43
The Republicans are not looking to make abortion illegal.
Roe v Wade is considered settled law, and settled law is rarely removed from the books. That doesn't stop the politics.
Abortion is continually used as a scare tactic to push people to vote for a democrat.

What social conservatives object to, and would like to change, is LATE TERM abortion.

Democrats are very protective of the piping plovers here on Cape Cod- we can't build wind turbines, we can't build anything even on our own private land if it might hurt a plover, ...
but the same democrat will have an abortion, and if the baby survives and is born alive, order the baby to be disposed of in the medical waste bin.
No funeral necessary.
And that is good judgment?

A commander in chief has command of our men and women in the military, etc. and will order them into harms' way as he determines. A commander in chief is responsible for determining the 'acceptable losses' in the event of crisis, war, etc. and who will serve, and why.


Thanks but no thanks, I'd like my commander in chief to value the life of a human being more than a sand plover. The world has already had too many 'acceptable' losses, and I mean humans, not plovers.

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57Nomad,

06/09/2008 19:55:06
#35 media

media said:

"At the end of the day, McCain is a war monger, plain and simple."

Media, you get the much cherished "Wally Tin Foil Hat" award for the day. John McCain a warmonger? Oh, I get it. It was the practice of his captors to tie his hands behind his back and then hoist him off the ground by his wrists. To this day he can't lift his hands past his shoulders.

And this, you say, is a man that loves war.

Wally, heads up, a new contender appears.
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mike - across the pond,

BO is in T R O U B L E..... 06/09/2008 19:58:46
throughout his campaign,

in the polls BO ran 7-10 points better than he faired at the ballot box....

THAT means that when the Scotsman proclaims that the race is neck-and-neck.... BO is actually 7-10 points behind...

AND there is one little problem here... the polls are a few days old... and dont take into account that the FACT that as glitzy as BO's coronation in Denver... McCain's nomination OUTRATED BO's on total network viewership.... even though McCain is not a great orator... his liberal critics say he gave B+ speach... if thats the case... and he grabs a modest 4-5 point bounce

put THAT on top of BO overpolling.... and you have an 11-15 point McCain lead...

BO is in T R O U B L E..... BIG trouble....

stay tuned for as the bitter left wing media machine desperately digs for dirt like some monkeys flinging doo at the zoo...

the most interesting part behind this is once McCain is ahead by more than 10 points, he will begin to have a "shirt tail" effect upon other races for GOP candidates... spelling TROUBLE across the board...

how long before the DNC minions begin distancing themselves from BO? which cascades BO's trouble closing the gap...
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Boston sports fan,

06/09/2008 20:05:57
The media in this country has also contributed to the backlash against Obama. When you turn on the television or read newspapers and magazines , I'd say that at least 90% have given their stamp of approval. They don't try to sabotage him like other candidates or ask him the tough questions. Intead of reporting the news, they're pro-Obama support is obvious. He's had a free pass and now with about 60 days left to the election the power of the press is actually powering the electorate to McCain and Palin. The media should put away their pom poms and report just the facts.
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57Nomad,

california 06/09/2008 20:19:39
#55 Pilrig

Pills said:

"But we're on the ootside, and besides, most Americans don't vote anyway (can't blame 'em)"

Most Americans don't vote? In the 2004 election over 60% of the registered voters voted. I looked on the 'net to see if I could find comparable stats for the British populations but came up with no info. I'm curious about the percentage of eligible who vote in British elections and European elections in general. I promise I'm not trying to start a contention of any kind. I'm curious and theres nothing more to it than that. Can anyone help me with these figures?
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Paulc37,

USA 06/09/2008 20:30:17
They (Muslim financiers) are very close to planting a stealth Muslim as our President. A man that belongs in jail but they pulled it off. He is evil, the devils worker he is 666. Barak(33) Obama(32) is a 3332 if you apply individual name sum of numbers to a calendar. Take that last 2 and multiple it times 333 you get 666. This vacant suited thug that has accomplished nothing is close to entering the top post in the world. A man long associated with the Muslim underworld.
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Sandi,

San Diego 06/09/2008 21:10:26
#76 57Nomad,

But how many elibible voters are actually registered? If I recall correctly (and I may not!), less than 50% of eligible voters actually vote. It's not a number to brag about, that's for sure.

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bikewoman,

06/09/2008 21:15:19
20 Let's have the truth

Sounds like you are being your typical racist self. The fact of the matter is that several states that have a tiny % of blacks were won my Obama. How do you explain that?

How do you explain that when given the choice of white and black candidates whites are much more apt to vote for blacks than blacks are for whites? This has been proven time and time again in congressional elections.

Those who do not have their heads in the sand are willing to admit the media wanted Obama to win from the start and that is why they were asking Hillary tough questions and lobbing softballs at Obama.
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doublescotch,

U.S.A 06/09/2008 21:21:31
Read Rich Lowry His article is wonderful. The article is called "Hating Sarah" And it says it all really!
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bikewoman,

06/09/2008 21:23:53
70 57Nomad

I'm a realist so I have to disagree. Congress holds the checkbook. Look at the stagnant first 2 years of the Clinton years when the Congress was held by democrats. When people knew the congress was going to be taken over by Newt and company the economy started to go way up.

Ever since Nancy Pelosi became Speaker of the house we have had serious issues. The buck stops here for several things but it is shared at times with the congress
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Team Scotland,

FC UK No! 06/09/2008 21:29:23
#71 57Nomad,
Sarah Palin has never "promoted" creationism. What she called for was free speech in the classroom so that children could express their opinions with out fear of reprisal. . . She did not promote creationism and anyone who says so is a liar.

Sarah Palin to the Anchorage Daily News October 27, 2006.

"Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html





She may or may not share your views on "climate change" and while we are at it, what happened to "global warming"? Why the name change?

They are not 'my views but the view of the whole scientific community. It used the most sophisticated climate mode