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Barack Obama takes a big step towards becoming the first black US President



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Published Date: 04 June 2008
IT IS OVER – and now it really begins. As Barack Obama wakes this morning, bearing the mantle of the Democratic Party's electoral hopes, he faces a greater challenge: that of becoming the United States' first black president.
Last night, after a gruelling six-month fight, Hillary Clinton said she was "open" to becoming Mr Obama's vice-presidential running mate.

She spoke out as her opponent finally secured the delegates needed to secure the Democrats' nomination.

I
f Mr Obama is exhausted from the often bitter fight for that nomination, which ended yesterday in the polling booths of Montana and South Dakota, he is not showing it.

He arranged a victory celebration at the site of this summer's Republican National Convention in St Paul, Minnesota – an in-your-face gesture to Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

In front of an audience of thousands, Mr Obama praised his rival and dedicated his victory to his grandmother Sarah Obama in Hawaii whom he said "helped make me the man I am today".

"Tonight is for her."

Mr Obama paid tribute to Mrs Clinton and said she had made him a "better candidate".

The junior senator added: "Senator Hillary Clinton has made history in this campaign, not just because she is a woman who has done what no woman has done before, but because she is a leader who has inspired millions of Americans with her strength, her courage and her commitment to the causes that brought us here."

He congratulated Mrs Clinton on her campaign and also praised former president Bill Clinton's economic policies.

Mr Obama acknowledged he and Mrs Clinton "certainly had our differences this past 18 months" but praised her desire to improve the lives of ordinary Americans.

"And you can rest assured that when we finally win the battle for universal healthcare in this country, and we will win that fight, she will be central to that victory," Mr Obama said.

"Our party and our country are better off because of her and I am a better candidate for having had the honour to compete with Hillary Rodham Clinton."

He had clinched the nomination on the final day of one of the closest and most expensive primary seasons in memory.

A more taxing fight against Mr McCain comes next, and now he must find renewed energy to convince the American people he is better prepared than his opponent to address the major issues that confront the nation.

There is an unpopular war in Iraq to bring to an end; a fast-sinking economy to repair; almost a sixth of the population without health insurance; and a college education system that increasing numbers can no longer afford. Then there is the ever-present threat of a new terrorist attack on the US mainland.

Mr Obama, who has won the support of nearly nine out of ten black voters, also has to convince a lot of white and Hispanic Americans that he really does stand for them, too. The issue was raised in a conference call between Mrs Clinton and members of the New York congressional delegation.

In it, Representative Lydia Velasquez said she believed the best way for Mr Obama to win over Hispanics and members of other key voting blocs would be to accept the former first lady as his running mate.

"I am open to it," Mrs Clinton replied, on the proviso that it would help the party's prospects in the presidential election in November.

But Andrew Kohut, president of the independent Pew Research Centre, warned: "Obama has to deal with the issue of white working-class reservations about him."

All of this and the forthcoming battle with Mr McCain makes the spat with Mrs Clinton over the favours of a few superdelegates look like a cakewalk by comparison.

It also places huge expectations on the shoulders of a candidate whose experience of public service in Washington DC stretches back only to his 2004 election as a senator for Illinois.

"This is a defining moment in our history," he tells voters in his election manifesto, A Blueprint for Change. "Our moment is now. I don't want to spend the next year or the next four years re-fighting the same fights that we had in the 1990s."

Uniting a party, fractured by arguments over disputed primaries in Michigan and Florida, and by the huge gulf between his team and the Clinton camp, will be his first priority.

"We've got a lot of work to do in terms of bringing the party together," he said before yesterday's final primaries. "The sooner we can do that, the sooner we can start focusing on John McCain."

The key battlegrounds have already been set – the economy, healthcare and social security, Iraq and homeland security. Mr McCain would appear to have a head-start on campaigning, having been his party's nominee for many weeks.

But Mr Obama's aides will argue that their man has momentum behind him and, at 46, is fresher than his 71-year-old Republican opponent.

Opinion polls also make happier reading for the Obama camp than previously. A Gallup poll released yesterday showed him with a 47 per cent approval rating to McCain's 44 per cent, an almost exact reversal of their positions a month ago.

However, one sobering message from the survey was that 55 per cent said they were worse off financially than a year ago, the gloomiest outlook since 1976.

The battered state of the nation's economy is arguably the most pressing concern for Mr Obama.

The subprime mortgage crisis and subsequent repossession of hundreds of thousands of homes have left deep wounds that extend far beyond the housing market – causing the collapse of banks, millions to lose their jobs and a loosening of the country's hold on global markets.

Petrol prices are soaring, while the dollar stands at an all-time low against the euro – and is significantly weaker against many other currencies. including the pound. In addition, the middle classes are angry that the bulk of tax cuts have been directed towards the rich.

Mr Obama says he will immediately give all working families a $1,000 (£500) tax credit and crack down on fraudulent brokers and lenders to reduce mortgage arrears and repossessions.

He says he also wants to create jobs by doubling federal funds for research and training, and he wants industry leaders to match his commitment.

The health of the US people will be another hot topic during the campaign to come. Out of a population of 300 million, more than 45 million, including nine million children, have no form of health insurance, and Mr Obama says he has plans to introduce a nationwide plan that will cover everyone.

Critics, including Mr McCain, have challenged the economics of the plan, which they have described as idealistic, unworkable and unachievable.

One area where Mr Obama could score well against his Republican opponent is on the war in Iraq, in which more than 4,000 US personnel have been killed since the 2003 invasion. He has pledged to begin removing US troops at once and continue until all combat brigades are out within 16 months.

While Mr McCain has declared his misgivings over President Bush's handling of the war, as a Republican he could struggle to distance himself from the administration's policies there.

The bloody battle with Mrs Clinton might also have elevated Mr Obama's standing in the eyes of voters, some analysts believe.

"In adversity has come opportunity," Michael Cohen, of the New America Foundation, said. "(He] has been able to confront difficult questions about his candidacy that would normally arise during the general election."

Dream that died for ambitious first lady and 'co-president'

FROM the surprise win in the New Hampshire primary in January that defied her critics and the pollsters, Hillary Clinton was meant to be the odds-on favourite for the Democratic nomination.

She was the heavyweight who had already commanded an office of her own in the White House versus the "rock star" and political ingenue, Barack Obama.

After months of gruelling jousts, state-by-state, her main rival's popular appeal looked unassailable, although previously Mrs Clinton had defiantly insisted that only she could win the presidency for the Democrats.

The former first lady's quest to be the first woman president of the United States was dashed, however, after she was forced to confront reality: she did not have the support.

Confusion yesterday initially ensued over whether she would throw in the towel formally with a speech in New York – or simply concede that Mr Obama had enough delegates behind him to win the race.

Her aides were swift to stress that the New York senator did not intend to suspend or end her candidacy in a speech last night in New York.

In a formal statement, the campaign made clear the limits: "Senator Clinton will not concede the nomination."

Advisers said she had made a strategic decision to not formally end her campaign, giving her leverage to negotiate with Mr Obama on various matters including a possible vice-presidential nomination for her. She also wants to press him on issues he should focus on in the autumn, such as healthcare.

Mrs Clinton reportedly told colleagues she wanted to take time to determine how to leave the race in a way that would best help Democrats. "I deserve some time to get this right," she said.

Accompanied by her husband Bill, Mrs Clinton had poured millions of her own money into the campaign.

While her main rival is aged 46, Mrs Clinton was faced with criticism over her age – she turned 60 last year – her gender and whether she was personable enough.

As first lady, she had offended sections of Middle America by suggesting she did not go home to "bake cookies".

But publicly at least, the lawyer from a middle-class Chicago suburb had appeared to give way to the ambitions to her husband, a Rhodes scholar from a single-parent household in rural Arkansas. According to Her Way, a Clinton biography by Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta jnr, this was because the couple had a "secret pact of ambition" – a 20-year plan to make each of them president. That claim is denied by the Clintons.

During Mr Clinton's time in the White House, presidential aides said they effectively saw her as "co-president".

She was even given an office in the West Wing, from which sprang ambitious, but ill-fated, plans to reform healthcare.

But by the time of her husband's second term, Mrs Clinton took a back seat and engaged in projects such as promoting women's rights.

Given the scale of her ambition, it was perhaps unsurprising that she refused to relent, even when the facts were staring her in the face and she risked splintering her party.

The final intense laps also became increasingly acrimonious. While Mr Obama appeared to offer an olive branch, inviting Mrs Clinton to meet "once the dust has settled", her husband seemed to ratchet up tension.

But bowing out of the race is also a financial necessity. Despite Mr Clinton still securing six-figure sums for his public-speaking engagements, her campaign was £4.8 million in debt at the end of April.

The Clinton family's presidential dream may not yet be over, however. Some believe the couple's daughter, Chelsea, is even more astute than her parents – and she has been close enough to learn from their mistakes.

"Chelsea for President" could be the new family motto.

WHAT NEXT?

ONCE Barack Obama is declared the Democratic nominee, focus will switch to the presidential election battle with John McCain.

The Republican nominee, Mr McCain has had two months to plan his campaign and raise funds.

Attention will be on wooing voters in undecided states such as Florida, Michigan and Ohio. Mr Obama and Mr McCain have already begun sparring over issues such as Iraq and national security.

But the Democrats do have one advantage: the race between Mr Obama and Hillary Clinton has encouraged large numbers to register as Democratic voters.



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1

Scott Webb.......,

04/06/2008 00:04:55
Another New World Order minion that they may sacrifice for a bigger goal
2

Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 00:23:21
Well done Obama, from what I've heard and from what I've read it seems you will do a far better job than both your opponents and your predecessor.
3

The Strategist,

04/06/2008 00:23:26
By not selecting Hillary Clinton I would pretty much guarantee that the next US President will be John McCain.
4

Jock MacSprog,

04/06/2008 00:28:42
~2 Stu, so what do you base that on ? Specifically ?
5

Scott Webb.......,

04/06/2008 00:33:07
as Far as i can see, Ron Paul is the one guy to turn it around for the american people and the only one they can trust
6

Highland Mighty,

04/06/2008 00:34:30
3. Yep, totally agree. McCain and the Republican Party will make mincemeat of a junior senator with no executive experience whatsoever.

The Democrats have, yet again, secured defeat from the jaws of victory.
7

Mist001,

Marseille 04/06/2008 00:35:08
I think Obama is a very brave man. Can you imagine if he actually does become president, the immense pressure he'll be under?

I couldn't do it and I'm caucasian. The pressure will be at least ten times worse for an Afro-American president.

I have to admire the mans drive and bravery for picking the ball up and continuing to run with it.

And I hope he wins.

Michael.
8

Maisie from Morningside,

04/06/2008 01:23:34
American bookies claim that Osama as the Democratic candidate makes McCain the odds-on favourite.

I expect they've already seen the "Make Barack Hussein Obama America's first Black Muslim President" posters being printed.
9

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 04/06/2008 01:32:30
#3: If the Democrats had been idiotic enough to select Clinton, there are paraplegic voters who would have pulled themselves to voting booths by their tongues just to vote against her.

There are just too many Americans who'd rather vote for Beelzebub than a Clinton to make selecting her a feasible strategy.

As for McCain winning: what's coming economically in the US will make voters badly want to punish the Republicans by November.

Scott: Yes, it'd be nice to see Ron Paul on the ticket as Veep. I'm not optimistic though. Paul should have run as Libertarian Party Presidential candidate.
10

Jon Bon Jovi,

ivory coast 04/06/2008 02:41:54

thought he was african-amercian, not black... my bad!!!!
11

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 03:00:26
recent polls show Obama likely to defeat McCain in November. and this is before the DNC convention when for several evenings many voters will focus their tv's on the Democrats who will attack Bush, the culmination being Obama's big speech. He'll get a 10 point bounce after that.

republicans are unpopular both because of the bad economy & the wars. They've been recently losing emergency elections in districts that they've held for over 30 years.
12

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 03:10:02
http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=844

here's a link to a story about a poll recently taken by a republican consultant showing that Obama currently leads McCain 44-40. but that will likely widen as people take a closer look.

Remember, McCain can't escape his republican association and the bad economy as well as people's memory of Bush. Read the article I linked to - very enlightening.
13

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04/06/2008 03:26:30
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14

FJM,

California 04/06/2008 03:27:29
To Wally, there are numerous polls, i.e Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/107662/Gallup-Daily-Obama-52-Clinton-43-Final-Primary-Votes-Cast.aspx)
as at June.03 that show McCain either ahead, or tied with Obama. As the debate starts in earnest between the two, I expect it to become clear that McCain is the stronger candidate on a whole range of issues. He clearly will be outspent, but he thrives in the role of the underdog.
15

bring them on,

04/06/2008 03:30:33
Hope Obama makes it. Not sure he knows what he is doing, but that has never been a requirement for the title.

Hillary was good looking 20 years ago, but not up to the job now.
16

Statsman,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 04:53:51
You won't get your NWO.
17

bring them on,

04/06/2008 04:57:24
#16

Statsman

What's your issue?
18

Renée,

Wichita, Kansas 04/06/2008 06:50:40
....potentially the first BLACK U.S. President? Need I remind everyone that he is half WHITE? He shouldn't be considered the first black anything when he isn't a "purebreed" (for lack of a better word).

He fits the book of Revelation's description of the anti-Christ. Only in America...........
19

bring them on,

04/06/2008 06:54:22
#18

Strong words, from a fool.

The wee guy will do OK, if he gets the backing of the masses. IMO
20

Renée,

Wichita, KS 04/06/2008 06:56:23
#19: If he does get the backing of the masses, that just strengthens the validity of my comment. Read THE book.
21

bring them on,

04/06/2008 07:02:51
#20

Are you a communist who pretends to be a good lady who serves ice tea when it's hot, and donates a dollar to the help the children in Africa fund, and also helps the seals by wearing a white feather at Christmas time?
22

Phil C,

04/06/2008 07:08:15
Obama seems to promise a change in America and he looks like he might be able to unite America with his reasoned ways, and christ don't we need it! I think his battle really starts now in persuading the Americans that his skin colour has nothing to do with his abilities.

While Hilary Clinton is very able, she's already done her turn at the White House and Obama would be better to seek a new, fresh running mate if he really wants to change things. Who knows, this might turn out to be the best thing for everyone....but then again!
23

bring them on,

04/06/2008 07:18:56
PC
Loads of words. No content.

America needs a Gordon Brown. A wise man.

What are their choices. Al Jolson, or the muppet version of Ronald Reagan.

Which one will he choose. Hillary?
24

bring them on,

04/06/2008 07:31:23
Paulmac

Don't even think of posting here, because this is only for people with real knowledge
25

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04/06/2008 07:35:26
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26

bring them on,

04/06/2008 07:38:20
AYLTP

True, but you should not say it.

Enough said.
27

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04/06/2008 07:48:27
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28

Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 07:50:26
Excellent news !, I see Clinton STILL refuses to concede and get behind the Democratic nomination.
Apparently she is "Open" to considering the vice -presidency. Good for her, Obama can bring her into his team if he wants, I hear she makes excellent Coffee.

As for McCain, he looks less and less like a presidential candidate each time he makes a bungiling appearance . He was nearly crying this morning on CNN,
complaining that Obama keeps saying he is too close to
George of Crawford. Doesn't help Mr Chips when he is the main man at your last Fund-raiser. Hence the reason the media were banned. Yeah sure, America wants McCain, just like they wanted Hilary..... NOT.
29

Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 04/06/2008 07:50:50
Hopefully Barack Obama will not allow that dreadful Clinton woman anywhere near him. At this time, more than ever, the USA needs an honest President, it does not need another episode of the 'Clintstones'.
30

Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 04/06/2008 07:50:50
Hopefully Barack Obama will not allow that dreadful Clinton woman anywhere near him. At this time, more than ever, the USA needs an honest President, it does not need another episode of the 'Clintstones'.
31

bring them on,

04/06/2008 07:52:11
AYLTP

I hope not. He is, offically, non-religious now.

No need to point arrows.
32

bring them on,

04/06/2008 07:55:23
#29

Are you OK?

Early in the day, and the wee double post...
33

Scott Webb.......,

04/06/2008 07:55:49
Portuguese Newspaper Admits Bilderberg Kingmaker Power :)


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/060308_bilderberg_kingmaker.htm
34

El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 04/06/2008 08:06:37
I wonder who Senator Obama's backers are?

Read the book RICH MAN POOR MAN
35

Silence of the Yams,

04/06/2008 08:08:34
This Obama character is a total fraud. Americans are such idiots.
36

deeks rearend,

04/06/2008 08:10:31
nothing will change
37

bring them on,

04/06/2008 08:12:24
#34

Read the book.

What's your point. Say it or don't. Sitting on the sidelines with your inunendos. You innuenenor...
38

Black Five,

edinburgh 04/06/2008 08:14:21
Just can`t see the Americans voting for him.President McCain has just been elected.
39

Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 08:22:52

"America will never vote for a blac... I mean Obama"
they cry, as he moves further and further ahead of
Mr Chips in the national polls. Wake up, Clinton has made some coffee, time to smell it.
40

Scott Webb.......,

04/06/2008 08:27:32
He is New World Order cannon fodder....although he THINKS hes onboard, i see him being sacrificed in a situation that does the duel role of both instigating martial law and having McCain as El Presedente
41

voltaire's janny,

04/06/2008 08:35:11
Obama is not black. His mother was white and his dad a black Somalian. Why is he not called brown? He is, like all of us a mix of two lineages. Race is a peculiar term that scientists, never mind others, cannot precisely define and certainly not in an individual.

It is strange to me that people become so obsessed with an adaptive phenotype, skin colour, that indicates, if anything at all, how far back one has to go to find ancestors from a sunny climate.

And yet America is deeply, intensely and, as we will find in November when voters are granted anonymity, racist.

One form of this racism occurs among liberal whites. It happens when the skin colour of a person is not too dark, he or she has no visibly negro (modern African) features - most especially a flattened large nose or lips that are full or too dark. Such a person, if also middle class and with a mainstream accent becomes an honorary white and held up as an example of "some of my best friends are black".

Obama, and many other US politicians, celebs fit this bill niceley.

And yet in America, any form of permanent pigmentation that does not come from a tan is seized on as a racial indicator. How did "Hispanic" become a race then? Are the Spanish guilty of miscegenation because indiginous natives descendants speak Spanish up and down the Americas?

I would have preferred Hils because the world does not need another far right received-prejudice christian and this is the ticket most likely to provide that.

We shall see. I'd still root for Obama, but his inexperience and deeply rooted white-American prejudice may yet give us the oven chip.
42

El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 04/06/2008 08:42:48
#37 I have to say it plainly. In my opinion it costs a hell of a lot of money to run in the presidential race. Each candidate, unless he or she is exceptional, will have some powerful backers. I do not know who they may be.

Remember Jimmy Carter, he came out of "nowhere" to become president

Barack Obama has some fresh ideas. Hilary Clinton would have been the same tune played on a different instrument etc......

#41 Obama's father was a Kenyan
43

Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 08:43:26
How many of those who claim Obama lacks experience have typed "Obama's experience" into their search engines. I would if I was you. It makes facinating reading, especially when compared to Clinton.

Go ahead, don't be afraid.
44

Silence of the Yams,

04/06/2008 09:13:38
43. Swallowing the lies eh? He got into Harvard thanks to his white family's money and affirmative action - why not talk about that? Talk about how he "lawyered" Alice Palmer out of her senate seat. His links to the Chicago mob and terrorist Bill Ayers? His bogus resignation from the odious United Trinity Church. His appropriation of other peoples work, the list goes on...
45

Nirvana,

04/06/2008 09:21:38
Obama has no experience, never had a bill passed, is far left liberal. The media has made him like a rock star. If he debates McCain he will leave him hanging. He run his campaign on change. What change, never says how or what he is changing. Never will be President people.
46

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 04/06/2008 09:22:36
Will the bitch ever concede ??
47

Mike555,

04/06/2008 09:36:38
Just means that if Obama gets the ticket McCain will easily win the race for President. That means new wars all over the place.
48

Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 09:40:03
#45 That's a remarkable statement to make. No experience ?. As I say to you people, go do some research.

#44 "Got into Harvard because of his "White families money". How ignorant some of you people are. That's classic Clinton. Go check out hopw he did at Harvard.
Was he not a Prize-winning student of constitutional Law. I think you are mixing him up with George of Crawford.

What are his links to the "Chicago Mob".?

What are his links to Bill Ayers exactly.

Bogus resignation ?. So in your mind he is still in this church or what ?. Do you not realise how foolish you sound when you come out with this trash.

Stop wink winking, and nudge nudgeing. If you have some evidence that Obama is not a worthy candidate,lets hear it, but please enough of this Fox News innuendo.
49

Mikey,

04/06/2008 10:11:00
45, a far left liberal? Are you mad? Maybe you're a Septic? That would explain it!
50

voltaire's janny,

04/06/2008 10:14:06
#42 - happy to be corrected. His father was indeed Kenyan although part of an ethnic Luo minority therein, which candidate Obama used to indicate "empathy" for the Kenyan Somailis whose national dress he was pictured wearing.

Hilary does not need to concede, Barack has the votes.
51

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 04/06/2008 10:23:45
President Obama will get the troops out of Iraq. McCain
represents a war mongering past. He lost in Vietnam and has never come to terms with it. Time for change.
52

voltaire's janny,

04/06/2008 10:35:19
Unfortunately Obama has bought the notion that the US President de facto become leader of the free world.

Oh really? Europe is a bigger democracy, China a bigger free (ish) market, many countries have freer citizenry and every president appears to wage war somehwere in promotion of US interest.

Maybe I just missed the US-English meaning of "free" or "world".

F@nny.
53

Lochiel,

West of Glasgow 04/06/2008 10:41:28
I am enjoying this Hobson's choice immensely. Imagine Obama working so hard to get to this point. All the political opponents he undermined on the way. Now he's in the position that he can't win without Hillary, but if he includes her as vice president, that harpy will be sniping at him the entire time and he'll get Bill wandering around the white house in his underwear, drinking out of a paper bag and muttering obscenities to any female he stumbles into.

Delicious!
54

voltaire's janny,

04/06/2008 10:58:30
#53 You are quite wrong. Americans' attention span outside the Beltway makes goldfish look deep and reflective. Don't be surpised to see a Hils/Barack love-fest or even a joint ticket! The public will go for it because its just another winning side to try and be on.

Many presidents get the job without an election via occupancy of the V.P. role. In fact one, Gerald Ford, was not elected to either office, getting veep by resignation of corrupt Spiro Agnew and the top job by departure of Tricky Dicky.

Hillary may yet be the first woman president. She'll not be the first tw@t by a long shot.



55

Dbxsteve,

West Kilbride 04/06/2008 11:19:40
Let's just hope that whoever the running mate is that the Democrates win.

Another Republican President is the last thing the world needs right now!!
56

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

04/06/2008 11:20:38
Personally I hope the ni... the bla... the bro... the guy wins it, think he's done an excellent job of getting this far.

But they're right - As soon as he's elected you may as well put a neon arrow above his head, pointing at his Temple and a sign that says "Just Here, Boys!".

Cos that's the "American Way!!"
57

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

04/06/2008 11:21:11
No, I was being Ironic, ok?
58

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 04/06/2008 11:24:07
Why call him black when he could equally be called white in terms of parentage?

As his ancestors evidently avoided being enslaved (by the Arabs in this case) I doubt he has much in common with most 'black' Americans.
59

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

04/06/2008 11:27:42
They call him Black because we all know America only sees things in Black and White - Everything.

They don't seem to have the capability of seeing different Shades, thats why they are so inflexible over everything - if it doesn't fit the way they see things . . . . .
60

Kaytoc,

Maryland,USA 04/06/2008 11:50:57
What seems to have eluded some posters is Hilary won the popular vote. The delegate gamesmanship is the element that will prove to be the Democrats downfall.

Another aspect of the DNP foolishness is punishing
Florida voters who had to go to the polls that day to vote on issues other than primary candidates. It makes no sense for the Florida Democrats to be expected to go to the polls twice just to satisfy the foibles of the party leadership.
61

Boab,

Glasgow 04/06/2008 12:02:38
I doubt very much Obama will get assassinated but he doesn't strike me as having much substance. Shame for Clinton but according to an American I know her campaign was basically very negative.
62

Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 12:03:32
#60 Both Florida and Michigan broke Party rules by holding their ballotts too early. They came to a compromise, which they did not have to do. Clinton's demos agreed to the solutions that were found. You can't now say change the rules because they don't suit you. Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan. When Clinton was asked why she had not removed her name , she replied "Everyone knows these votes will not count".

But hey , now I need them , they should count. Cheap , small town political posturing. Clinton to a "T".
63

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

04/06/2008 12:03:55
60

Kaytoc - If, as you say, Hil won the popular vote then the fact that the Dem's picked Obama speaks volumes doesn't it?

Obviously even they don't want another Clinton in da House!
64

Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 12:05:29
#61 Probably not, although he has had death threats.
Clinton , siting the kennedy assasination as a reason to hang around, just in case, was repulsive and the final nail in her cheap little coffin.
65

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

04/06/2008 12:07:19
She's an Upright, Uptight, Frigid person.

Who needs that running the most dangerous country in the world?
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 12:20:57
in the US if there is an assassination of a politician, then it is orchestrated by the CIA. and not done by 'racists' as claimed above. If it is done, then this means the person assassinated has rebelled from the clique that rules. We certainly hope that Obama is a person who will not be loyal to the clique that rules us, though we don't want to see him killed.

Hilary did better earlier in the primary season rather than later. Obama's popularity built to the end while hers declined. For example - Hilary won in California. but a recent poll thee shows Obama would win by a wide margin if the primary were re-done today.

its overwhelmingly likely that Obama will win in November barring dirty tricks or extreme propaganda against him which is quite possible.
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JT,

04/06/2008 13:02:40
Much as it would do the world to have a non white president, cant see it happening. Just look at the criminal results in Florida last time round, when votes were "lost". I would like to see americans getting the president they need not one who has the biggest campaign fund.
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Keith Lagden,

04/06/2008 13:04:26
#3 I beleive you are right on the money, IF he should get elected it is very likely he will follow in the footsteps of J.F. Kennedy
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 04/06/2008 13:41:41
El Sabio hasn't done his research:

"In my opinion it costs a hell of a lot of money to run in the presidential race. Each candidate, unless he or she is exceptional, will have some powerful backers. I do not know who they may be."

At least you have an inkling of what you don't know. Obama's campaign asked for a max of 200 Dollars each from supporters, and that they pass the word through Facebook etc.

The majority of his donations came from ordinary folks sending 200 Dollars or less. These are not "powerful backers" but ordinary folks.

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Griffe,

04/06/2008 13:58:32
If Clinton, as vice-president, would help him win the presidency, how long would he survive the back-stabbing by the Clintons.

Why is he regarded as 'black' apart from the colour of his skin? He has one black & one white parent.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 04/06/2008 14:31:14
He hasn't got a prayer, thank God. The Democrats are totally divided and mainstream America won't buy some vacuous slogan like "Yes We Can". Meaningless bilge.

It will be fun to see him lose big time; something to wipe the smirk off his face.
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Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 14:45:37
Clinton seems to hold completley opposite views to Barak. I can't understand why she would want to work for him. She would have to "Promise" to come "On Message, and stay there. I doubt she has the mental capacity to do so. As for her requiring help paying her estimated 20 million dollars debt, tough. Thankfully, electroral rules prevent it. That money was donated on the basis it was to help Barak defeat Clinton, not to bail her out of her suicidal campaign.

Back to work for you Hilary. Milk and 2 sugars in my coffee please.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 14:46:44
in America the typical pattern is that the 'powers that be' help there to be a Republican president for 4-8 years and then they help there to be a Democrat president for 4-8 years. 4-8 depending on the popularity of the president and whether he adequately serves the powers that be.

There is only a small hope that Obama will rebel against the people that rule us and bring the change people want. and in that case assassination risk is very high. the people that rule us are masters at deception.

why do people call Obama black though he's half-white people ask. Because historically that is the way 'black' is defined in America. There was once a law saying that if a person was 1/8'th black, then they were black. and American blacks typically have white blood in them. They're 50% white overall. Only recent immigrants from Africa/Carribbean are likely to be all black. And American whites from the southeastern states are typically 5% black as well. thats because they have early american blood in them - blacks & whites intermarried commonly in the mid-1600's.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 14:53:56
I really don't understand why people here are saying that Obama is unlikely to win. Read article I linked to in #12 showing the recent poll. Also, consider republicans are very unpopular this year. McCain has been on national stage for a long time, he is not going to surge. Obama is new and fresh, he is going to surge. The Democrats and any other healthy party with competing groups inside them only seem divided at this time. They'll be as united as ever later on. It is the Republicans who are fractured. Many republicans are unhappy with republican leadership under Bush and they don't like McCain. In recent primaries McCain was getting only 75-80% of the republican vote even though he's the only one campaigning and almost all the others had their names withdrawn from the ballot. Republican turnout in the primaries is low. Republican financial donations are low compared to the democrats and that is unusual. and like someone said above, Obama's donations are in small amounts whereas the Republicans are the ones who have the fat-cat donors.
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Bennie,

04/06/2008 15:10:46
We can't afford Obama period. My retirement (401K) took at hit as soon as he was chosen as the candidate. Who knows what will happen if he wins in November.
Affwimadinnerjacket, only three days ago, REPEATED, Israel will soon disappear and OBAMA wants to sit down and talk to him!!
Obama's ONLY bill(cuurently being worked in Washington) to give 1.5% of the US GDP to the UN without precondition!
McCain IS the guy who saved the US tax payer over $6 Billion by forcing the US tanker program to be competed that Airbis won and the UK benefits from.
No who do you want - DO RESEARCH and don't get caught up in OBAMA hysteria. He his policies mimic NEW LABOUR!
How scarey is that?
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 04/06/2008 15:15:22
"What seems to have eluded some posters is Hilary won the popular vote."

Which don't mean bullhickey, as Hillary was happy to acknowledge before it turned out that she didn't win by the actual rules.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 04/06/2008 15:22:44
I particularly liked this quote from the geeks of Silicon valley:

"Svck on it, Clintstones. And note to the rest of America -- we may not be as s£xy as Hollywood or Wall Street, but you know what? We've got a sh1tload of money, and we know how to organize. We're a powerful bunch of khaki-wearing, g@y-marriage-supporting, arugula-eating, Mac-using elitist nerds out here. To all of you racist homophobic non-Californian dumb fvcks who find that annoying? Tough sh1t. We outsmarted you. We out-spent you. And now for the next eight years we're going to be running this country. We're going to give equal rights to gay people, fund stem-cell research, teach evolution, take down the fence on the Mexican border, and make sure abortion stays safe and legal. We're going to pull out of Iraq, shut down Gitmo, and stop torturing people. And yeah. A black dude with a Muslim-sounding name and degrees from Columbia and Harvard is going to be in charge. So sit back down, strap yourself in, and shut the fvck up, crackers."



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Hannah22,

USA 04/06/2008 15:22:45
I am confused about the grandmother in Hawaii that Sen. Obama referred to. You reported that her name is Sarah Obama. I read that Sarah Obama lives in Kenya and is a step-grandmother. Barack was raised in Hawaii by his white grandparents (i.e., his white mother's parents). So if he has a grandmother in Hawaii, her surname would be something other than Obama, wouldn't it?
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voltaire's janny,

04/06/2008 15:22:59
Wally. Americans see this the same as sports. they may be elephant or donkey in general elections, but each contest is still a heads-up. The democratic nominee is decided - by the ridicuous, anachronistic process devised two centuries ago when a popular vote by people who had met, heard from, seen or even read about was impossible. Nowadays the nominee is the winner of a beauty contest with partial results coming in to influence future results in a media dominated feedback loop whose biggest influence is among super-delegates who want only to back the winner. The greater number of votes cast was for Hillary. Fact. The media and campaign driven issues and 'events' reported as news (Obama in Somali dress, Clinton as a liar, Obama's nutty pastor etc) are all created to swing the needle of opinion during the "season" of primaries and caucuses.

It's not even a snapshot of opinion, it's a slew of snapshots that play like a jerky film. The republicans contest was not close so we did not witness similar antics yet from them. But they'll be gearing up for a general election, equally anachronistic, to target Obama on different fronts in different key states and no-one will even notice the implicit cynicism as their turf takes centre stage.

Make no mistake, part of their campaign will appeal to the racism just beneath the surface in the land of the free, both for (brother) and against (n!gger).

(this word suppressed by Hootsmon)

Even playing on the fact that the N word is so controversial is itself a racist play. Again both sides will do this.

To the extent that I am right, America will show it's true colors and they will be white. If I am wrong and I hope so, then Obama and maybe and Obama/Clinton ticket will finally put daylight between today and the sixties on this issue at least.
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ScotLJM,

Richmond, Michigan USA 04/06/2008 15:24:28
As a Michigan voter, I am very upset with what transpired, and along with the Florida debacle, resulted in only half-vote counts, giving Obama the edge. As Hariett Christian of New York angrily stated that because a white woman was running, so also came Obama, and in her view, a totally inadequate black male. On this I have to agree, he is too inexperienced, too radical, (his wife Michelle even more so) too weak, and because of this, not "The Right Stuff" for President.
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Bennie,

04/06/2008 15:36:25
I think in ANY country you should have to pass an IQ test before you can get a voter card. You should be over 25 and under 70.
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Number 6,

Germany 04/06/2008 15:47:44
#81 Oh No Hannah, how could anyone vote for someone
with a confusing line in Grandmothers ????.

Quick get McCain or Clinton in the Whitehouse.

#83 WOW , where were these standards when George of Crawford won , TWICE. As for no experience, when are you crowd going to accept he has more than adequate experience. Google "Obama's experience" , if you have
the back-bone that is.
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Sandi,

San Diego 04/06/2008 16:20:35
Obama is black rather than white, brown or whatever because he wants to be known as "black". 92% of black voters voted for him despite the fact that he has never in his life done a single thing for them.

#60 absolutely right.

#61 Clinton did not run a 'negative" campaign. However, whenever she responded to one of the constant personal insults thrown at her for the last year by the Obama campaign, she was called "negative". No mention was ever made of the actions by the Obama campaign. It was interesting last night to hear him praise her for all the many things he has spent a year tearing her down. What's "new" about his politics? It's the Chicago brand, that's all.

#62 Yes, the DNC did need to do something. First,they broke their own rules by taking away everything, then they forgot that they need Florida and Michigan to vote Democratic in November. I can't imagine that Michigan will vote for a man who was handed delegates he didn't win and Florida should have been seated per the vote.

#72 What a perfect example of the mysoginism that has been directed at Hillary Clinton by the Obama campaign, the media and ignorant posters like you for the last year. This kind of remark only serves to make women less likely to vote for Obama.

#81 his white grandmother in Hawaii is the "typical white woman" he threw under a bus by accusing her of being racist. What a guy.

He is connected to about every crook in Chicago through Rezko, mayor Daley and his own campaign manager, Axelrod. Those racist pastors/ministers have been members of his inner circle of advisors for many years. The Clinton campaign didn't bring up any of this, but you will hear ALL about it from the Republicans. This is why Obama will not win.
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Bennie,

04/06/2008 16:32:15
Obama, when finally he resigned from his church still got it wrong.
He said that he resigned because it was not fitting to run for President and be a member of this church NOT that he disagreed with the filth being spewed from the pulpit!
This guy is a guy who will say and do anything to further himself. He is a danger to the world not just America.
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Bennie,

04/06/2008 16:34:19
Bob Barr for Pres!
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Bigwull,

edinburgh 04/06/2008 16:34:59
Oh dear he's another Israeli flunkie, when are they going to learn that Israel is the main problem in that area, they are no different to what South Africa was under the apartheid regime.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 16:39:17
for #80, a Friend of FP - your quote from a California nerd is ridiculous. the person is clueless. let me show you.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=906&Disp=0

here is an article showing that the US & Iraq just agreed to let the US have permanent bases in Iraq and to use those bases to attack other nations. and that Iraq's military is controlled by the US. whoever wrote that blurb you put up does not understand how empires work. and does not understand that the US is not really influenced by the will or desires of its people. Perhaps they're busy making money and this is why they're deceived.
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Reekin' Lum,

04/06/2008 16:43:54
Obama is an empty suit- no experience and way over to the left. The more people have learned about him the less they trust him- his remarks concerning the average white voter in Pennsylvania is a case in point and he has yet to come up with someone who might have influenced him in his earlier days who had good moral character rather than the hate spewing so called pastors he has been associated with for 20+ years.

It will do no good for the US to elect this individual and place us all in danger when the enemy does unleash its sleeper cells which, I guess, will be shortly after January 2009.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 04/06/2008 16:50:12
many here are hung up on the race issue. In America the blacks normally favor the Democrat candidate and if the Democrat candidate is black or white doesn't matter to them. The whites by majority normally favor the Republican candidate and the race of the candidate isn't the key factor for them either. See the link I put up in #12. In 2004 Bush beat Kerry by 17 points among