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Published Date: 05 November 2008
BARACK Hussein Obama has been elected the 44th president of the United States, sweeping away the last racial barrier in American politics with ease as the country chose him as its first black commander-in-chief.
Obama's election amounted to a national catharsis – a repudiation of a historically unpopular Republican president and his economic and foreign policies, and an embrace of Obama's call for a change in the direction and the tone of the country. But it was just as much a strikingly symbolic moment in the evolution of the American nation's fraught racial history, a breakthrough that would have seemed unthinkable just two years ago.

* Click here to read Barack Obama's victory speech in full *

Obama, a 47-year-old first-term senator from Illinois, defeated Senator John McCain of Arizona, 72, a former prisoner of war who was making his second bid for the presidency. To the very end, McCain's campaign was eclipsed by an opponent who was nothing short of a phenomenon, drawing huge crowds epitomised by the tens of thousands of people who turned out on Tuesday night to hear Obama's victory speech in Grant Park in Chicago.

McCain also fought the headwinds of a relentlessly hostile political environment, weighted down with the baggage left to him by President Bush and an economic collapse that took place in the middle of the general election campaign.

President-elect Barack Obama motions to the crowd during his victory speech in Chicago. Picture: Chris McGrath/Getty Images
President-elect Barack Obama motions to the crowd during his victory speech in Chicago. Picture: Chris McGrath/Getty Images


The day shimmered with history as voters began lining up before dark – hours before polls opened – to take part in a campaign that, over the course of two years, commanded an extraordinary amount of attention from the American public.

As the returns became known, and Obama passed milestone after milestone, many Americans rolled into the streets to celebrate what many described, with perhaps overstated if understandable exhilaration, a new era in a country where just 143 years ago, Obama, as a black man, could have been owned as a slave.

For Republicans, especially the conservatives who have dominated the party for nearly three decades, the night represented a bitter setback and left them contemplating where they now stand in American politics.
Obama led his party in a decisive sweep of Congress, putting Democrats in control of both the House and the Senate – by overwhelming numbers – and the White House for the first time since 1995, when Bill Clinton was president. This new Democratic majority now faces the task of governing the country through a difficult period: the likelihood of a deep and prolonged recession.

Obama will come into office after an election in which he laid out a number of clear promises: to cut taxes for most Americans, get the United States out of Iraq in a fast if orderly fashion, and expand health care. In a recognition of the difficult transition he faces – given the economic crisis – Obama is expected to begin filling White House jobs as early as this week.

Obama defeated McCain in Ohio, a central battleground in American politics, despite a huge effort that brought McCain and his running mate, Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska, repeatedly back there. Ohio was a state Obama lost decisively to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York in the Democratic primary.

And McCain failed to take from Obama the two previously Democratic states that were at the top of his target list: New Hampshire and Pennsylvania. And in addition to Ohio, Democrats captured two other Republican states, Iowa and New Mexico.

Obama comes into office with Senator Joe Biden of Delaware, his vice presidential running mate.

Even before the final results were called, there were indications that McCain's advisers were in fact unhappy with their vice presidential candidate, Palin, who was announced by McCain to an explosion of enthusiasm and interest by conservatives and since caused a series of embarrassments for McCain.

President-elect Barack Obama stands on stage with his wife Michelle and daughters Malia (red dress) and Sasha (black dress). Picture: Eric Thayer/Getty Images
President-elect Barack Obama stands on stage with his wife Michelle and daughters Malia (red dress) and Sasha (black dress). Picture: Eric Thayer/Getty Images


McCain's chief strategist, Steve Schmidt, demurred when asked whether he thought in was happy with Palin's performance as McCain's running mate. "I'm not going to go there," he said. "There's be time for the postmortems in the race."

Initial signs were that Obama benefited from a huge turnout of voters, but particularly among blacks. That group of voters made up 13 per cent of the electorate on Tuesday, according to surveys of people leaving the polls, compared with 11 per cent in 2006. In North Carolina, Republicans said that the huge surge of African-Americans was one of the big factors that lead to Mrs. Dole's loss.

Obama also did strikingly well among Hispanic voters, beating McCain did far less better among those voters than Bush did in 2004, suggesting the damage the Republican Party has suffered among those voters over four years in which Republicans have been at the forefront on the effort to crack down on illegal immigrants.

The election ended what by any definition was one of the most remarkable contests in American political history, drawing what was by every appearance unparalleled public interest. Throughout the day, people lined up at the polls for hours – some showing up before dawn – to cast their votes. Aides to both campaigns said that anecdotal evidence suggested record-high voter turnout.

Reflecting the intensity of the two candidates, McCain and Obama took a page from what Bush did in 2004 and continued to campaign after the polls opened.

McCain left his home in Arizona after voting early on Tuesday to fly to Colorado and New Mexico, two states where Bush won four years ago but where Obama waged a spirited battle. These were symbolically appropriate final campaign stops for McCain, reflecting the imperative he felt of trying to defend Republican states against a challenge from Obama.

"Get out there and vote," McCain said in Grand Junction, Colorado "I need your help. Volunteer, knock on doors, get your neighbours to the polls, drag 'em there if you need to."

By contrast, Obama flew from his home in Chicago to Indiana, a state that in many ways came to epitomise the audacity of his effort this year. Indiana has not voted for a Democrat since President Lyndon B. Johnson's landslide victory in 1964, and Obama made an intense bid for support there. He later returned home to Chicago play basketball, his election-day ritual.

Obama cast his ballot at 7:36 a.m., Central time, at the Beulah Shoesmith Elementary School in Chicago, accompanied by his wife, Michelle. "I noticed that Michelle took a long time though," he said afterwards. "I had to check to see who she was voting for."

McCain voted later, at 9:08 a.m., Mountain time, at the Albright United Methodist Church in Phoenix. He and his wife, Cindy, were greeted there by supporters with cheers of "Senator McCain" and "Thank you, senator."

The nation's faltering economy seemed to weigh in voters' minds: A survey of voters leaving polling places found that 6 in 10 said this was their dominant concern, a reflection of the economic collapse that provided the backdrop for the general election contest.

In a sign of how much the terrain of this election changed since Obama and McCain started campaigning in their party caucuses and primaries more than a year ago, only 1 in 10 cited the war in Iraq.

Across the country – in Florida, Georgia, New York and North Carolina, to name a few places – polling stations reported overflow crowds, with long waits and packed parking lots. McCain's advisers had predicted that 130 million people would vote, compared with 123.5 million who cast ballots four years ago, reflecting the intense interest in the race.

Obama, 47, waged in many ways an improbable campaign. He is a first-term US senator from Illinois who just five years ago was serving as a state senator. It was because of that resume that his main opponent in the battle for the Democratic nomination, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, thought that he would not last.

But Obama proved to be a phenomenal campaigner, drawing huge and excited crowds and defeating Mrs. Clinton in Iowa, an overwhelmingly white state. That outcome, more than any other single vote, signalled to Democratic leaders the potency of the Obama appeal. But the two candidates battled through the very last primary battle in June before Clinton, bowing to the inevitable, pulled out of the race.

McCain also won his party's nomination improbably after he had, a year ago, appeared doomed when his campaign ran out of money. He persevered through a combination of scrappiness and a field of primary opponents who each had problems with the fractured Republican electorate.

In his campaign, Obama offered some fairly ambitious promises, including tax cuts for most Americans, a withdrawal of US troops from Iraq and an expansion of health care coverage. McCain pledged not to leave Iraq without a victory and promised to continue Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy.

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Slideshow: Obama supporters react in Chicago

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1

Jimmy Le Pie,

05/11/2008 04:29:34
Nice one, Barack
2

doublescotch,

U.S.A. 05/11/2008 04:30:04
This is a wonderful moment in the history of this wonderful country.
A McCain supporter.
3

glaswegian at heart,

florida 05/11/2008 04:38:54
What a great night for America and the world.Well done voters .this may be the shot in the arm needed to jumpstart the world economy.All the best President elect Obama......
4

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 05/11/2008 04:49:13
Long live Obama. Congratulations.
5

AnnieOakley,

America 05/11/2008 05:02:59
We've proven that we, the people, still have our power.
Now,..the real work begins. I hope we're all up for it.
Cheers my brothers and sisters. Toast yourselves and your hard work tonight, and prepare to work harder tommorrow.
6

Aussie Jack,

Brisbane 05/11/2008 05:13:19
Yeah. Like No.4 says, let's give the bloke a go. 'on yer, mate.
Time will tell.
7

SJD,

Aberdeen 05/11/2008 05:24:37
So disappointed about McCain but this is a historic day and Barack is a fantastic guy. It's a great day for America.
8

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 05/11/2008 05:26:16
Does this make the world a safer place? I think not!!!

It was democratic "appeasement" that led to the atrocities of the nineties and ultimately the 9_11 tragedy.

Radicals all over the world will be cheering this victory.

Look out, Uncle Sam. They are coming for you!!!!
9

Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 05/11/2008 05:27:27
HOW GOOD IS THAT???

THERE IS NO PRIZE FOR SECOND PLACE

McCAIN TO BE RELEGATED TO THE SCRAPHEAT

OBAMA TO DEPORT CAROLYN LYNNE AND SANDI TO ISRAEL

HOW GOOD IS THAT

WINNERS ARE GRINNERS
10

Finnking,

Lempäälä 05/11/2008 05:32:52
With a bankrupt country under his supposed control, let's hope that we see a massive reduction in US military bases, occupations and terrorism around the world.

Somehow, I doubt it.

11

High Princess Fiona the Seccond,

England, leaders of the U.K 05/11/2008 05:35:07
Congratulations to the American president and its people.
hope he will lead the world out of recession
12

Pilrig.,

Livingston 05/11/2008 05:35:42
Where's the Virginian ? Mebbe God has a plan indeed ! : )
13

2dogs in D.C.,

05/11/2008 05:41:20
I knew I woke up early to vote for a reason.
14

BTO,

05/11/2008 05:58:03
43 diddies now Obama. Hope it's better
15

Rufus T. Fireball,

Grampian 05/11/2008 05:58:23
Did you hear Obama last night he said:

To the people of Glenrothes in Fife Scotland you need change - kick out the old and bring in the new -

IRAQ AFGHANISTAN CRIME SLEEZE FINANCIAL INCOMPETENCE

LAbour has had ELEVEN YEARS kick them out and move FORWARD good Scottish people.

Hey nice one Barrack!
16

obamagirl,

Louisiana 05/11/2008 06:15:25
First and foremost - CONGRATULATIONS OBAMA!!! History has now been made and there is about to be a change. For all of you who have posted negative comments I pray for you. This is a man of dignity and pride. It is a historic moment because he is the first African-American President (and a true african at that). Tonight has shown us that America has changed in its views and is willing to give a minority a chance in this world. For me I can now tell my two sons that they can and will achieve anything. There are no excuses now for anything. Today blacks, whites, hispanics, asians,etc. must decide it is time to make a change. Obama's speech let you know that it was not about him, but about us, about America. Please put your hearts in the right place and know that first Obama has to first clean up the mess that Bush has made. It may take him about a year or more, but give him a chance. He can and will make a change. Today, November 4, 2008 has just proven that. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ALL THE PEOPLE IN IT!!!
17

Steve Ev,

Malta 05/11/2008 06:35:23
Amazing that Robert Kennedy foresaw that within forty years there would be a black President in the White house.
18

Boy Wonder,

05/11/2008 06:44:42
Congratulations to Barack Obama. He's made the 4th of November as important as the 4th of July to American History!
19

yockel,

05/11/2008 07:12:44
Be interesting to see what happens next, if anything.

The Americans are not alone in not having a very good record when it comes to electing leaders but hey they can always rewrite history later. Have you heard how great Reagan has become recently?
20

r1niceboy,

Nebraska 05/11/2008 07:18:48
The first seven comments were pleasant to read, and the tone of hope and conciliation welcome. #8 shows that the world has a lot of challenges to present to President Obama, not the least of which is the ignorant of all political wings and their reluctance to let go of their disgruntled pettiness.

Well done president Elect, you inspired a lot of people, and I hope you truly can make the world a better place for all our children.
21

Dave,

Western Isles 05/11/2008 07:22:20
Aye, well done Obama. No idea what it will mean long term but fair play to the guy.
22

Prester John,

Pots_n_Pans 05/11/2008 07:24:27
Good that the USA can make this move forward. Obviously a sign of change but I'll believe the change is permanent and sustainable once he has served four years or, better still, eight without becoming a "one-off".

w.r.t. "one-offs" note how few women leaders there have been around the world, and how rarely even those countries which had them have had subsequent ones.

However, as a separate point, I believe Obama's policies on energy and the environment are seriously flawed with the potential to make an economic mess into a total disaster.
23

Prester John,

Pots_n_Pans 05/11/2008 07:30:04
Also that would seem to have put a final end to the Clinton Dream because she'll be 'ancient' in electoral terms in eight years' time and if I'm even remotely correct about the economic troubles which Obama could create, the Democrats will be as unpopular then as the Republicans are now.

The only way she'll get her hands on the levers of power would be for the unthinkable to happen - twice.
24

Bejjy,

05/11/2008 07:52:21
#16 Rufus T. Fireball

Idiot


Well done Barack Obama on being elected President of the USA. A new beginning for world politics.
25

carrottop,

Dumfries 05/11/2008 07:52:35
Probably the two weakest presidential candidates in living memory and worries me one of them has his finger on the red button.
Yipee, wow, crivens Obama is the first black president but did anyone stop to think if he is any good.
26

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 05/11/2008 08:04:04
Where we're at

-- it's because americans have not sense of economics

Thus and so. The Founding Father's didn't mobilise and fight for capitalism, corperations, empire, globalisation, bankers (and their perverse economic dogmas) but that's what we've succumbed to.

-- where stands the marine industry in both content and advertizing dollars ?

So long as folks ettle to build, design and sail boats, there'll be a marine industry. Customers need to have some money saved after putting a roof over their head and leisure time to fit our their boat and get out on the water. This is an alien concept (liberty and the pursuit of happiness) to the current spawning of the republican party and new labour.

Traditional craft are the most advanced, affordable and reliable technology of their day. The prospects could be bright for the 21st century boat-builder. And if water's put back on Mars, a Buckie man'll have built a boatie (larch on oak?) and be out there fishing. (economists technically call this a red herring)

English speakers need leaders who call still speak english to have much hope of survival. We're back from the brink (even in the land of Oz) and there are never lost causes (eg Scotland) only unwon ones.

Freedom-Come-All-Ye !
27

Nell,

Far, Far Away 05/11/2008 08:14:24
"a new era in a country where just 143 years ago, Obama, as a black man, could have been owned as a slave".
He doesn't look that old!
28

Dave,

Western Isles 05/11/2008 08:18:36
Obama is of Scots decent. His family tree can be traced back William the Lion, who ruled Scotland from 1165 to 1214.

Well there you go, another bl00dy Scot in power.......
29

Joanna,

Cambs, England 05/11/2008 08:23:41
lol Dave @ 31

Trust the Scots to claim him as an invention of theirs :))

I hope he does a good job and that the world has a new direction because of this. It seems like a good thing has happened - I hope so.
30

Dave,

Western Isles 05/11/2008 08:25:18
Joanna @32

hahaha! Good one! ;-)
31

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 05/11/2008 08:29:11
Once again America shows the way! Well done.
Perhaps the day will come when we will see more non white people take prominent positions in this country of ours.
We like to pontificate over here, and turn our noses up at the "Yanks" but when will we see a black Prime Minister in Britain?
32

John Cameron,

St Andrews 05/11/2008 08:31:07
I would have thought a far more significant racial breakthrough was Colin Powell's appointment as the first black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and Condoleezza Rice as the first black woman to serve as Secretary of State. The hysteria surrounding Obama reminds me of Mandela in South Africa where his election day was the only thing worth remembering in a disappointing presidency. Obama looks remarkably like Tony Blair. He is also the product of the old, corrupt Chicago political machine, with a scary Black Panther wife, and hoodlum Middle Eastern associates. He could be the Saviour of the World - but I would not bet on it.
33

Dave,

Western Isles 05/11/2008 08:32:58
36

What's colour got to do with it? Are you a racist?

How very odd to mention the colour of somebodies skin. It has no bearing on politics or leadership at all in this country. We are quite a liberal sort of place, after all we allow Boris Johnston........

It petrubs me that somebody singles out skin colour. BTW, he's as much white as he is black, ever thought of that?
34

DaveK,

Edinburgh 05/11/2008 08:33:27
Every American is of Scots decent don't you know? And of course if you believe Salmond, who has rolled out the red carpet already in 2009 for Scotlands favourite Black son, he's a product of the loins of Scottish leadership, albeit centuries ago. Aye right, if you follow that line of reasoning, we're all decended from Adam an eve and as Scottish as Saddam Hussein.
Soar Eden
35

Bejjy,

05/11/2008 08:33:56
#31 Dave

It would seem that Barack Obama is from everywhere and that everyone is claiming him as being "one of our own" The regulars in Ollie Hayes Bar on Main Street in Moneygall, County Offaly were celebrating his victory claiming that he is a descendant of a Moneygall man who left the town to go to the USA some 150 years ago. Talk about jumping on the band-wagon.
36

Steve McGregor,

Dundee 05/11/2008 08:34:11
As Sara Palin triend to put this contest as a contest between the "real america" and "Not real america"; thank God, the real america has won.
37

Dave,

Western Isles 05/11/2008 08:36:02
40 Bejjy

Yup, he's Everyman's everyman. The perfect politician?
38

DaveK,

Edinburgh 05/11/2008 08:37:29
42

Well then I'm every woman.

soar Chaka Khan
39

Dave,

Western Isles 05/11/2008 08:39:07
43

Classic!

Soar Backside
40

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

05/11/2008 08:43:48
McCain lost it whn he appointed Palin as his VP choice. The Christian Right are no longer the power that they once were. I am just glad he showed dignity in his concession speech - especailly stopping the renecks booing when he started to talk about Obama.

On another note it was great to see Elizabeth Dole get tanked in North Carolina. She deserves it after that appalling ad she put out.
41

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 05/11/2008 08:48:32
Lets hope Barack, is the start of getting rid of War Mongers like Bush,Cheney,Blair and Brown. Its certainly well overdue. The NEO FASCISTS like the four named above, need to be investigated and charged with crimes against humanity. If found guilty I would gladly pull the lever that opens the trap door, for NO charge.

Come to think about it, I would pay for the right to do it to Brown & Darling. They are the enemies of the Scottish Nation, who know exactly what they are doing in selling of our bank to English Banking Friends.

The FSA's senior financial adviser has already stated that the HBOS is in a position where it could quite easily trade its way back into profitability.

This is Scotlands Time. Voting to run our own affairs is a lot better than remaining second class citizens, in our own Motherland of Scotland.
42

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 05/11/2008 08:49:31
#38 Dave...I don't know what planet you live on, but RACE is an issue with too many people sadly, and unless you and one sheep have been living in a cave over there, it's churlish to come over all sanctimonious.
Listen to people like the Rev. Jackson this morning, he is celebrating a BLACK man leading his country.
You are one CHOOB!
43

The Strategist,

05/11/2008 08:52:23
Beyond "Change" and "Yes we can" if anyone knows what his actual policies are could they let us know.

I've listened to a lot of his speeches and I haven't got a clue as to what he's really going to do.
44

Sandmac,

Edinburgh 05/11/2008 08:58:13
Oh dear! Please let this not be another "Blair" fiasco. A consumate actor, no experience, glib promises and opposing candidates who were practically unsupportable. If they are to have a black President of the US why did they not persuade Colin Powell to stand - a man who commands respect as a politician as well as a soldier. At this time the world desperately needs sound and trustworthy leadership, I only hope that Obama is surrounded and guided with the best team that America can find!
45

Mikey,

05/11/2008 09:09:52
Congratulations to the American voters on kicking out the war monger and his clique. I must admit that I never, ever thought it would happen! I'm pleased to be wrong.

Now that the americans have kicked out one warmonger, it's now time for Scotland to kick out another! Let's make it a double for posterity!

Saor Alba!
46

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05/11/2008 09:12:12
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47

Partan,

Fife 05/11/2008 09:21:12
Congratulations, USA.
Sincerely hope the situation he's inheriting doesn't lead to disappointment in the end.
48

Hiatus,

Edinburgh 05/11/2008 09:24:44
Beyond the hysteria, unfortunatley reality will appear.
Obama is the man who is prepared to sit down and talk with no preconditions to the likes of Iran (who wish to eliminate Israel), and Syria. This foreign policy was undertaken in the Clinton 1990's. The Yemen warship attack and Clinton's response summed up the negligent attitude to foreign policy.

The result was a strong build up of extreme Islamist power bases in these countries plus of course Iraq and Afganistan, resulting in the catastrophe of Sept 11.
This man now wants to retreat to the discredited Clinton foreign policy as evident in his desire to quit Iraq "within 16 months". Guess who is delighted with that commitment? None other than Bin Laden.
With the US pullout, his resurgents will get to work. Iraq will be there for the taking.

What will Obama's policy be then. Invade and destroy the Taliban in Iraq or wait for the next terrorist atrocity? The only genuine celebration of Obama's victory will be taking place in a cave in Afganistan.
49

Alan B,

05/11/2008 09:26:27
While I wanted Obama to win for a few reasons particularly the poor choice of candidates. Obama is a win for dumming down politics and empty reteric much like Blair.

An interesting think on the breakdown of this eleciton on the BBC web site, is that McCain won the popular white vote by a small margin. As such Obama won the election due to the non white vote. Whites were more likely to vote for Obama than Blacks were for McCain. As such it was the overwhelming support from the black and hispanic voters that delivered Obama the whitehouse. What effect will such racial polarisation have?

One of the best thinks about an Obama win is his vice president who seemed from the bit i have seen of the candidates, far better than both the presidential candidates.

50

Dave,

Western Isles 05/11/2008 09:27:13
scorchio @49

He's as black as he is white. I might be a choob, but at least I'm not thick or racist like yourself (or a redneck).
51

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05/11/2008 09:28:54
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 05/11/2008 09:32:25
Congratulations to Barrack Obama and the Democrats and to all who worked and voted for change.

#13 2 dogs, Have a great day in celebration I will join you in a glass or two of spirits and toast success.

#34 Cutty Sark Great posts and fine lyrics from the Levellers.
53

57vintage,

Keith 05/11/2008 09:32:52
I'm glad he won but fail to see what he can do in the face of the corporate monoliths who will dog every decision.

I was also reminded of the early morning of May 2 1997 with Blair's "new dawn" sound bite - we know how THAT ended up, don't we?

I wish him well but have little optimism for change or improvement to the lot of millions of citizens across the globe.
54

Bejjy,

05/11/2008 09:33:52
#57 Dave

scorchio @49

He's as black as he is white. I might be a choob, but at least I'm not thick or racist like yourself (or a redneck

He's a bit of a grey area then?
55

Alan B,

05/11/2008 09:35:20
#scorchio

"Listen to people like the Rev. Jackson this morning, he is celebrating a BLACK man leading his country."

Abit of a uturn for Jackson who was openly slagging off Obama not that long ago.

Obama apparently is not particularly liked by the other black political elite. Only the other day on tv saw a black political figure on tv talk about race in this election. He said it worked both ways. Obama would never have been a presidential nominee if he was not black. Not a comment that I expected to hear.
56

tomislav,

home 05/11/2008 09:47:22
So all these millions of new voters, predominately black) registered to vote for the first time ever, to vote for Obama. whose also black, and that not racist, eh ok then, if you say so. Ask yourself, would he have won if he had been Chinese American. Quite an eye opener when you realise after all the years of hype just bhow alive and well racism is in USA
57

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05/11/2008 09:52:05
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 05/11/2008 10:00:46
Maybe GW Bush will be arrested and charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity now that the lunatics have been evicted from the asylum...
59

Hey,

05/11/2008 10:02:10
#66

This is an article about the US election, not about Glenrothes or Holyrood - save your comments for an article which actually has some relevance to what you are saying.
60

Hey,

05/11/2008 10:03:25
#64

"opener when you realise after all the years of hype just how alive and well racism is in USA"

Yes of course racism is alive and well in the USA, it always has been. All those deep south rednecks would never vote for Obama, purely because he is black.
61

scorchio,

West of the Pecos 05/11/2008 10:13:44
#57 Dave... Thick? Redneck?
Not only are you a "choob" and churlish, you are judgemental.
Have a wee read through the first two paragraphs of this article.
Perhaps you might want to retract some of the allegations you've made against me after doing so.
Then again that takes guts, so I won't hold my breath.
62

Hey,

05/11/2008 10:19:40
#71, 72

No one cares. This may be a Scottish paper but this article is about the US election - no one is interested in reading your comments about Glenrothes here.
63

heelancoo,

Wellington, NZ 05/11/2008 10:22:19
What is more important, the fact that the Republicans have been ousted from power or that America has its first black president?
Although race is an issue in the minds of many people and may well influence how people vote, it is certainly of no bearing when it comes to how well someone can lead people. It is Obama's rhetorical ability that makes him stand out as a leader; I would think that his acceptance speech will be remembered as a pivotal moment in American politics but as #60 says Blair was also skilled with the speeches.
Let's see how it pans out. Although this time 'things can only get better' may be even truer.
64

Vlad Tepes,

Snagov 05/11/2008 10:32:37
Congratulations the the good old US of A! They said you would never put forward a Hussein Obama over a Clinton despite him being the better candidate. They said you would look at the skin colour before the policies. You proved them wrong in droves.
65

bluehead,

edinburgh 05/11/2008 10:36:24
I have a feeling that the American people will live to regret their decision in the presidency of the united states of America,I do not think this will be any improvement,in fact I Think that, now ,things will get worse.!
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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 10:46:31
#77

"I do not think this will be any improvement,in fact I Think that, now ,things will get worse.!"

Nothing could be worse than Bush.
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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 05/11/2008 10:59:56
Obama is just an empty show-off and I would not be surprised if Blair and Campbell were advising him . America will bitterly regret this .
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Hamish Scott,

05/11/2008 11:00:15
#68
"This is an article about the US election, not about Glenrothes or Holyrood - save your comments for an article which actually has some relevance to what you are saying."

There is a relevance here - Obama's election represents the ultimate political victory for a people (African Americans) whose abilities and potential have historically been rubbished, a people told they are second class 'can't dos'. Likewise, the abilities and potential of Scots in running their own country, independent of those who think they are better than us, have also been rubbished and that includes during the Glenrothes by-election.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 11:08:08
#82

I can't believe you are actually comparing the struggles of African-Americans with those of Scots.

African-Americans are a people who were slaves just 150 years ago, and didn't even have the vote or civil rights until just 40 years ago.
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Northbrit,

05/11/2008 11:13:43
tomislav

So all these millions of new voters, predominately black) registered to vote for the first time ever, to vote for Obama. whose also black, and that not racist, eh ok then, if you say so. Ask yourself, would he have won if he had been Chinese American. Quite an eye opener when you realise after all the years of hype just how alive and well racism is in USA

97 percent of non whites voted for Obama , so yeah i agree with you a lot of them voted for him just because he was partly black , if it was the other way round and 97 percent of white people voted for Mccain Obama would have been absolutely slaughtered at the elections and people would have been crying *racists* , and no doubt there would have been a lot of tension afterwards , dont get me wrong i have nothing against Obama i actually quite like him , but as you said yeah its a * eye opener* ...





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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 11:15:19
#84

"why did they remove my post ? all i posted was the SNP,s chances in Glenrothes..!!"

Probably because your post was totally irrelevant to the subject matter of the article.

If you want to post on the SNP's chances in Glenrothes why not do it on an article which actually has something to do with what your are posting.
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Dick Lynas,

Glasgow 05/11/2008 11:23:34
If the last 8 disastrous years have taught us anything, it is that our foreign and domestic well-being is pretty much dependent on the wisdom or otherwise of America's rulers. Much more dependent, for example, than on any trivial differences between Tory and Labour in this country - and even on any trivial differences between Labout and SNP (dominated as they all are by decisions that emanate from Brussels)
So for the sake of all of us, I do hope that Barack Obama can continue to work the miracle that he has already become. I can remember with perfect clarity the Martin Luther King 'I have a dream' speech, and the prediction of Bobby Kennedy that the USA could have a black president within 40 years. I never for a moment expected that dream and that prediction to be achieved in my lifetime.
All of a sudden anything is possible - including a recovery from the disasters of the Bush/Blair era.
It feels good to be alive at this moment in history. Can President Obama deliver over time? Yes he can!
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Hamish Scott,

05/11/2008 11:24:34
#83
No offence, but my post was more nuanced than that.

#85
Thanks, but I don't work for the Scotsman.
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seillean a mhirdenibha,

Williamsburg 05/11/2008 11:25:55
I'm overjoyed that Obama will be our next president. I voted for him because he is the best man, by far, of the two. I'm also one of those southern white rednecks and old enough to have graduated from segregated schools. Do not paint us all with the same brush. I don not care what about the color of Obama's skin. He has a big job facing him--mainly to over come the failed policies of the all of the Republican presidents since 1980. We are in a deep hole (and the world with us). The first task is to stop digging. The second is to build a ladder out. I hope that the new Democrat legislators can work together--along with the moderate Republicans, to do this.

BTW the black vote increased from 11% to 13% percent of the total vote. Do you think that this is the only reason that Obama won? Hispanics have traditionally voted Republican--but the Republican hard line and border fence helped turn that around some. The combined increase in minority votes would not have been nearly enough to put Obama in office. Must have been a lot us white voters who are sick of the Republicans policies that actually swung the election.

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Hamish Scott,

05/11/2008 11:29:29
#87
"Probably because your post was totally irrelevant to the subject matter of the article."

Classic narrow-minded, parochial unionist - what happens in the rest of the world has no relevance to Scotland and what happens in Scotland has no relevance to the rest of the world.
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kenbo9,

05/11/2008 11:32:37
Think the US will ever change enough to be willing to vote in an atheist?

Not a chance
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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 11:35:22
#94

"Classic narrow-minded, parochial unionist - what happens in the rest of the world has no relevance to Scotland and what happens in Scotland has no relevance to the rest of the world."

erm....very strange response. I'm not sure why you think I'm a 'narrow-minded, parochial unionist'?

I am merely pointing out that this article is on the US election and not the Glenrothes by-election - so any comments about either labour or the SNP in regard to Glenrothes are totally irrelevant to the subject matter of this article.

As I said earlier, if people want to comment on Glenrothes do it on an article which is actually about Glenrothes.

I would suggest that the only 'narrow-minded' and 'parochial' people on this forum are those who are commenting on Glenrothes - which let's face it, is a completely irrelevant and insignificant event in the worldwide scheme of things when compared to the far more important US election.
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Northbrit,

05/11/2008 11:36:12

seillean a mhirdenibha,
Williamsburg

The combined increase in minority votes would not have been nearly enough to put Obama in office. Must have been a lot us white voters who are sick of the Republicans policies that actually swung the election

I know what you are saying and im aware loads of white people did vote for him to and if it wasnt for that he wouldnt have won , if i was American i probably would have gave Obama my vote , but it doesnt change the fact that 97 percent of non whites voted for him that seems a awful lot dont you think ?

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Bo28,

05/11/2008 11:54:33
WARNING!!! WARNING!!! WARNIG!!!

Im glad McCain didnt get in, but what your looking at now is a black Tony Blair.

The only people promoted by the corporate controlled media are those candidates who will maintain the status quo - i.e sock puppets to the military industrial compex.

Im sorry to break this to so many of you but 'change' is just an election word to these people. The U.S should have voted for Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich.
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Alan B,

05/11/2008 11:58:17
#Yeah1

"I would suggest that the only 'narrow-minded' and 'parochial' people on this forum are those who are commenting on Glenrothes - which let's face it, is a completely irrelevant and insignificant event in the worldwide scheme of things when compared to the far more important US election."

So the future of Scotland in a scottish newspaper is insignificant to scots. That is very narrow minded.

The outcome of the Glenrothes byelection could have significant implications for who lead the UK, when the next uk election is, who wins it and wether Scotland even remains in the UK.

Who wins an election in the US between 2 poor candidates in all probability less important to the uk and scotland directly. It is interesting but that is about as far as it goes. Economically both would have to endure the next 2 years of slow growth and poor economic activity. Neither will take the long reaching economic decision necessary to put the US on a better economic course. It will be back to the short termist policies that we have seen from the US. Clinton riding the crest of the dot com boom and information revolution followed by the inevitable crash. And bush running up personal consumer debt and public debt to try to get out the clinton/greenspan economic mess.

The Obama presidency will be like bushes in many ways. It will be about firefighting and reacting to events. And like Kennedy will achieve little.
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Bo28,

05/11/2008 11:58:44
thats another thing

Hes not been inaugurated yet. Plenty of time for a sniper or god forbid an al CIAda mushroom cloud over and american city - to herald in the continuity of government executive orders the Bush administration worked so hard on these last eight years.

Sit back at your peril - were still controlled by the central banks and the corporate interests.
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Alan B,

05/11/2008 12:00:27
#Bo28

Would say Obama is Blair with some class.
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Dougie Douglas,

05/11/2008 12:02:14
I'm looking forward to Obama rebuilding informed and enlightened western ideology (hopefully).

McCain even seemed like a better option than Bush by a factor of 1000.

On a seperate note - i saw a news article tonight showing growth forecasts for the G7 in 2009, it would seem that the UK is the only G7 country heading for a protracted recession!. What a genius Gordon is.

On a seperate article a US political pundit was talking about the trillion dollar debt the US now has. Would a labour supporter reading this care to nominate the name of the only other G7 country with a larger per capita finance headache?. What a genius Gordon is.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 05/11/2008 12:05:16
#100 - you may not be too far off the mark. I would say there is a 10% chance that he will be assinated during his term.

Most Americans may have moved on by electing him, but as we all know it's still absoluetly chockers with gun nut hill-billies
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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 12:11:02
#99

"So the future of Scotland in a scottish newspaper is insignificant to scots. That is very narrow minded."

Did you actually read my comment? Of course the Glenrothes by-election is important to Scots, but I was talking about WORLDWIDE - it is completely irrelevant and insignificant when compared to the US election.

I am actually embarassed at the number of Scots on this forum who go on and on about the SNP, independence etc on articles which have nothing to do with either subject - for example this article.

The only narrow-minded people here are those who seem unable to comment on anything other than Scotland and Scottish independence - please try to open your minds and learn about the world.
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Alan B,

05/11/2008 12:20:37
#Yeah1

Off course I read your comment that is why I replied to it. I found that your post was narrow minded itself. Off course the outcome of a uk byelection is irrelevent in other countries ie worldwide. Just as elections in most other countries are no more that a passing interest in most cases. The US only being more relevent than others.

However this byelection is very significant for scotland and the UK. As such it does merit discussion and posts.

The point posters posting on the Glenrothes byelection were making is an election which is more important to scotland and the uk, does not have articles open for posts. As such it is not surprising threads in other areas get diverted by some that want their say.

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Alan B,

05/11/2008 12:29:01
#Yeah1

The point is you get irritated by posts on independence (partly due to the fact you do not support it) and complain about people posting about it on a thread which has little to with the by-election.

Some of these posters are doing so due to the fact the scotsman does not have threads to comment on a significant byelection. But also becuase of the "change" in the US could parallel "change" in the UK.

However by critising posters by calling comments on a scottish by-election with significant importance to the country, 'parochial' and 'narrow minded' you irritate others like me who think that attitude is contemptable. Who are irritated by unionists who think anything to do with scotland is 'parochial'.
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Alan B,

05/11/2008 12:31:29
#Cutty Sark

"Must have been a lot us white voters who are sick of the Republicans policies that actually swung the election."

According to the bbc website white voters voted for McCain by a smallish margin. Obama won due to the overwhelming support of non whites.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 12:31:48
#105

"However this byelection is very significant for scotland and the UK. As such it does merit discussion and posts."

Yes I never said it is not important to Scotland or the UK, and I never said it doesn't merit discussion or posts.

However, as I said, those posts and discussion should be on articles which are about Glenrothes - not on articles about the US election.

"posters posting on the Glenrothes byelection were making is an election which is more important to scotland and the uk, does not have articles open for posts."

Actually the article 'Glenrothes candidates in final push for votes' is open to comments - although for some reason it only has 1 at present. Perhaps everyone wishing to post on Glenrothes should go there and stop posting on an article which is nothing to do with Glenrothes.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 12:37:54
#107

"The point is you get irritated by posts on independence (partly due to the fact you do not support it)"

Can you read my mind? How on earth do you know whether I do or do not support independence? I get irritated by people posting comments which are completely irrelevant to the article they are posting on.

"Some of these posters are doing so due to the fact the scotsman does not have threads to comment on a significant byelection."

As I have already said, there is a Glenrothes article available to comments - use that if you want to talk about Glenrothes.

"by critising posters by calling comments on a scottish by-election with significant importance to the country, 'parochial' and 'narrow minded' you irritate others like me who think that attitude is contemptable."

Leaving aside the fact that it was you who started the 'narrow-minded and parochial' comments - I am criticising people who seem unable to comment on anything other than Scotland and Scottish independence. It is quite right to talk about these issues, but not on an article about the US election.
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Hamish Scott,

05/11/2008 12:39:34
Yeah1

All over the world, including England, the media and posters on online forums will be commenting on the Obama victory and one important strand wwill be the relevance of that victory to their own country. If you cannot accept that a major political event can have an impact or relevance to Scottish politics then that to me is a sign of your narrow-minded parochialism.
I have identified a relevance in my post #82. If you don't think that post is relevant then leave it be.
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Fitzpark,

Durham 05/11/2008 12:53:29
The world has changed for the better. The restoration of the integrity of the United States will benefit us all.
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57vintage,

Keith 05/11/2008 12:54:57
#88 "the wisdom or otherwise of America's rulers"

Who are?

The elected representatives or the corporate conglomerates?

I think the latter will still prevail, but admire your optimism and hope that it's well-foundfed to prove an embittered old cynic like me wrong.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 12:58:16
#111

"All over the world, including England, the media and posters on online forums will be commenting on the Obama victory and one important strand wwill be the relevance of that victory to their own country."

Yes it is quite right to comment on the relevance of the US elections to Scotland and the UK. I am not suggesting that anyone should not discuss issues such as that.

What I am complaining about is posters such as 'the spook in leith', who posted in #63:

"BOOKMAKERS yesterday cut the odds of an SNP win in the Glenrothes by-election, as the Nationalists claimed swing voters were switching to them."

Now perhaps you could show me how the above comment is in any way discussing the US election and its relevance to Scottish politics?

It is merely a propaganda post for the SNP on an article which has nothing to do with Glenrothes.
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Jock MacSprog,

05/11/2008 12:58:47
very interesting and curious. The only reason his fans on this board and elsewhere seem to be able to give as to why this is such a great thing is his colour. Not his policies, his character, his accomplishments, etc. Its just great cause hes black. Weird.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 05/11/2008 13:03:34
Same old same old. Nothing will change and all politicians end in the failure they so richly deserve.
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SouthernGent,

05/11/2008 13:09:36
#91
"mainly to over come the failed policies of the all of the Republican presidents since 1980"

Didn't Clinton have 8 years to do that already? And didn't Clinton help create the financial collapse we are all now experiencing?

I congratulate Obama on his victory. The honeymoon is always the most fun but it will be downhill from here.

Its a cycle, always has been. Politicians promise everything, usually deliver very little, the masses get angry, then go back to the other party. I give the dems 4 years. Their policies will create higher unemployment which will upset the masses greatly and will be looking for "change".
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Hamish Scott,

05/11/2008 13:18:07
#115
"Yes it is quite right to comment on the relevance of the US elections to Scotland and the UK."

Glad we agree.
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Pistol Pete,

05/11/2008 13:20:22
I had so much respect for the US when Clinton was in power, but that was gone in the last 8 years. I am sure with this appointment that I can once again respect the US as a great nation, leading by example.
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2dogs in D.C.,

05/11/2008 13:34:57
Cutty Sark, Willie, This ones to you. Thanks for your kind thoughts.2dogs.
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Obama Fan 615,

Nashville 05/11/2008 13:47:49
I hope that the percentage of the racists that have made these ignorant remarks can look past the color of his skin and relaize that he is OUR PRESIDENT and CHANGE is comming
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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 13:47:55
#119

"Glad we agree."

Yes so perhaps you will also agree with me that spook in leith's comments (the ones I was originally complaining about) were not discussing the relevance of the US election to Scottish politics, but were infact completely irrelevant to this article?
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 05/11/2008 13:50:48
#122 Who cares about his skin colour but "Read My Lips" - NO CHANGE is coming
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Euan,

Edinburgh 05/11/2008 14:11:36
This is great news for America and great news for the rest of the World.

It was of paramount importance that John McCain and (god forbid) Sarah Palin failed to win this hugely important election.

Barack Obama offers a new ray of hope to the world's most powerful country. Hopefully in the next few years (preferably eight) he can forge new relationships with many other nations and change America's image for the better.

Well done Mr Obama, you really deserve this.

Don't let us down!


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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 05/11/2008 14:43:12
Funny isn't it that in his acceptance speach the boy wonder already said he can't achieve anything "in a year, probably not even a term". Funny he wasn't saying that a day earlier!

What a chancer. Same as the rest.
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Sandi,

San Diego 05/11/2008 14:44:36
Not a big surprise, but it's disappointing to see how many voters were taken in by a very good marketing plan. It would have been truly amazing if a candidate who spent eight (8) times as much as his opponent, after going back on his word to accept public financing, had not won. Obama ran almost continuous ads in several states and actually bought two satellite channels to continuously blast his "messgage" to the people.

He won because Bush is so hated. It's amazing McCain did as well as he did.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 05/11/2008 14:45:04
13 2dogs in D.C.

Hooray! Our boy aced the vile competition!

Congrats to PRESIDENT Obama, his soulmate and wife Michelle, and to Biden for this STUNNING victory of intelligence and grace and social responsibility over lying, subtrefuge, incompetence, and just plain dumbness (meaning the Republicans and their gormless "leader").

I look forward to four years of harmony and difficult political and financial decisions with Canada's greatest trading partner.

Together our two countries can overcome all manner of adversity that is thrown our way.
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Pistol Pete,

05/11/2008 14:45:59
Perhaps Bush, Palin, McCain can get a 3 for 2 in a Washington psychriatric hospital with immediate effect that offers basic foreign affairs and Geography awareness classes.
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T-bone,

Livvy 05/11/2008 14:46:46
Just unbelievable that the nationalists to try highjack this comments section to promote their Glenrothes by-election propaganda. Can't they leave it out for just one day ??

Congratulations to Barack Obama on attempting to unify a nation. Shame on the numpty nats for constantly trying to split one.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 05/11/2008 14:48:45
#130 Yes, we have a president who has gone back on his word big time before even being elected - great future we all have.

#131 - keep taking the tablets. Here comes the biggest vacuous fake we have ever seen.
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2dogs in D.C.,

05/11/2008 14:51:24
#131-Tim-I hope it's a new and better day for both our nations.Chester,Roofus and Tukker say a fond hello.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 14:51:38
#129

"Funny isn't it that in his acceptance speach the boy wonder already said he can't achieve anything "in a year, probably not even a term". Funny he wasn't saying that a day earlier!"

Actually Obama has said all along that he isn't going to be able to solve all the problems left by the Bush administration within a short period of time.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 14:55:16
'It's life but not as we know it', 'Sandi':

Get over it. You LOST. Why not accept defeat with the same grace that John McCain showed and get behind the new president as McCain suggested:

"I urge all Americans who supported me to join me in not just congratulating him but offering our next president our goodwill and earnest effort to find ways to come together".
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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 14:57:42
#133

"Just unbelievable that the nationalists to try highjack this comments section to promote their Glenrothes by-election propaganda. Can't they leave it out for just one day ??"

Yes I agree - if they want to comment on Glenrothes do it on a Glenrothes article - leave this article to those of us who aren't as insular and parochial and actually have some interest in what goes on beyond Scotland's borders.
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SouthernGent,

05/11/2008 15:00:23
#131
You were almost a gracious winner. Too bad that character flaw keeps jumping out and biting you in the tush.

High road, my son, high road.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 05/11/2008 15:01:06
#138 I will never get behind a chancer who already has gone back on promises he made on party funding for campaigning and has nothing to offer. Nothing at all - just "yes we can". The Republicans must regroup, fight the elections in two years time and kick this idiot out of office in 2012 - by which time we will all see the destruction that Democratic politics always brings to ordinary people.
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SouthernGent,

05/11/2008 15:02:57
#136
Congrats to you and yours, now lets hope they stay in the middle as promised, and maybe, just maybe, we can be a country again.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 15:06:07
#141

"please direct me to the nearest Glenrothes article one can comment on in"

Certainly - the article 'Glenrothes candidates in final push for votes' is currently on the front page of this website and is open to comment. Happy now?
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SouthernGent,

05/11/2008 15:06:08
#142
The dems have 2 choices:

Keep their promises and create a united bipartisan approach to government.

Or, continue the cycle of the past and move to the left and suffer the consequences in four years time.

Time will tell.
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Pistol Pete,

05/11/2008 15:06:19
#142
Bush and cronies now consigned to the scrap heap where they belong. They should be helicoptered into the Pakistan/ Afgan border with a knife, together with Palin and McCain and navigate their way home. Great reality TV this would be.
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Mcsnagpile,

05/11/2008 15:07:06
What is so important about an Afro President. From an Afro point of view he represents a 12% minority. Why not a native American for President??
Who this man is, an represents is still to be proven.
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2dogs in D.C.,

05/11/2008 15:08:03
#143-SoutherGent-Lets hope so.The middle ground is where it always belonged.And I hope to talk with you on this site many more times to come.
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Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 05/11/2008 15:14:13
#146 Pissed Off Pete

Yes, and by the time they get back they will find America over run by Muslims because the Democrats are too weak and fond of appeasement to stand up to them!!!
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 05/11/2008 15:14:19
#146 yes, you Democrats love reality tv shows like "Big Brother" and "I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here". Sums up the entire intellectual ability of the Democrats better than I ever could. Thank you.
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Hamish Scott,

05/11/2008 15:19:46
#139

You've made 13 posts on this thread but only 3 about the article and 10 exclusively about Glenrothes!

I also note there are no complaints in the thread for the article about a black UK PM about this being irrelevant, etc.
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Pistol Pete,

05/11/2008 15:20:51
#149 and that means bomb now, whoever it may be. This does not work and is a main reason by you lot are out and no one takes you seriously - fact.
#150 As opposed to Palin rapping on TV and telling schoolkids complete cr-p about basic politics and McCain refering to CCCCCHHHHHHAAANNNGEEE (aged intonation) as a 10 year past pensioner? You must have VERY HIGH intellect to go for that but the majority did not as they HAVE more intellectual ability to work out that another 4 years will not work on this track.

Fact - YOU LOST.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 05/11/2008 15:26:23
#152 You really don't see the bigger picture do you? That's quite endearing. Your candidate has won, well done. What has he won? Dah! An impossible mess we are only to pleased to let him shoulder and take the blame for so that he will destroy his followers hopes (mostly good-for-nothings) and then we get to detroy him for his mistakes for 8 years next time round. The rest period will be most pleasant over the next four years.
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SouthernGent,

05/11/2008 15:29:15
#152
By the numbers, the war did not play a major part in this election. People voted with their wallet, as they tend to do, as many wear blinders and are only conserned about their little piece of the world.

What the dems did that was different from all their past elections was "promise" tax cuts. Always part of the republican agenda, rarely part of the dem agenda. Without that promise, the outcome could very easily have been different.

Now, if they raise taxes on the "95%", they are gone in four years.
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Pistol Pete,

05/11/2008 15:36:16
#153
Who created this impossible mess and who do the American people trust will best fix it and what exactly did the Bush administration take over 8 years past and what have they now created?
On the contrary I find your comments blindly endearing, which is why Bush got in for a 2nd term. Not any more though.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 15:37:51
#150

"you Democrats love reality tv shows like "Big Brother" and "I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here". Sums up the entire intellectual ability of the Democrats better than I ever could"

Republicans are hardly in a position to laugh at the intellectual ability of anyone else when they had Sarah Palin as the vp candidate.

Considering that the demographic statistics clearly show that the higher a person's education the more likely they were to vote for Obama, I would suggest that is it the republicans (both candidates and voters) who are lacking in intellectual ability.
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Pistol Pete,

05/11/2008 15:39:54
#157
Spot on..........!

Now whaes ma gun!!!!!!!!
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 05/11/2008 15:43:26
#157 are you insane? Obama was a master at getting a load of uneducated youngsters out to vote for him - like some sort of hip-hop / rapper (whatever they call these idiots this week). I give him that. But the young un-educated idiots are still idiots whatever bracket you stick them in. What a way to run a country. "Yeah man dig it." is about the sum total of his voters' intellectual ability.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 05/11/2008 15:44:18
I think its good for the nation that Obama won. It is an exuberant and fun expression of the desire for change. but I agree with Sandi above who said that it was bush who paved the way for his victory. someone said bush screwed things up so badly that a white man couldn't get elected president. that's true.

at the same time I advocate the idea that democracy is a delusion. I'm glad to see senator mccain retire gracefully and spend time with his family. he gave a good speech last night.

I don't envy the politicians who allegedly try to solve problems. Their most powerful tool is that they can pull the wool over our eyes and deceive us. The politicians are given boundaries by the people that rule us. This is why deception is their most powerful tool, because real leadership is not an option.

You will have to pay close attention and be skeptical to see what's going on.

We sincerely hope that we don't get involved in more wars. We hope that some of our people at least will be able to see clearly and try to find a good path. In the face of defeat it is important to at least put in a good effort. but IMHO it is when jesus returns that for those who seek the truth victory will be achieved. The election is a delusion.

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Pistol Pete,

05/11/2008 15:46:14
"like some sort of hip-hop / rapper (whatever they call these idiots this week). I give him that. But the young un-educated idiots are still idiots whatever bracket you stick them in".

The bracket you refer to her is Palin/ Republican and you are getting your wires crossed.
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Alan B,

05/11/2008 15:47:48
The good thing about an Obama win is he will be better receive round the world and may give some of its lost credibility back.

But to actually be a good president in terms of the world it will depend on whether he is prepared to distance the US from Israel and stand up to Israel when it is wrong, rather than the Israel right or wrong policies the US is so renouned for.

Obama needs to tell Israel to get out of the occuppied territories as a start removing all the illegal settlements.

The whole concept of land for peace is mixed up. If the palestinians lay down arms tommorrow Isreal will never give them their land back.

As such the international community needs to decide what land should go to Israel and what land to palestine.

But Israel should be forced to go back to the so called 1967 borders before any land settlement agreement can be started.

The question really is should it be the land settlement the US endorsed with the newly formed UN in 1947. The land won by israel in 1948 in war when the Jewish sector of the palestinian mandate kicked the British out and is referred to as the 67 borders. Or should Israel also be able to keep some of the land won in the 67 wars.

For me the 47 borders are the most fair as they were arbitrated by small countries for the UN after ww2. The jewish side accepted the borders as it gifted them far more land than population compared to the Palestinians.

However with the palestinians in a weak position maybe they would accept the 67 borders just to have their own country. Remember it was Clintons refusal to accept the Palesinian desire for the 47 UN borders that caused the failure of the peace deal in the 90s.

Probably the best solution is some mid point between the 47 and 67 borders. But before a start can begin Israel needs to withdraw to the 67 borders. The US needs to force Israel to do so.

Only by Obama sorting out the israel/palestine issue and also moving the US away from middle east oil depende
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Alan B,

05/11/2008 15:48:35
...dependency will he really be able to be seen as a good president in foreign policy issues and hence promote world peace.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 05/11/2008 15:48:54
#161 I'd leave Jesus out of this. We've got enough problems without a bearded loony tune who doesn't even exist entering onto the stage.
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Yeah1,

05/11/2008 15:56:14
#160

"are you insane? Obama was a master at getting a load of uneducated youngsters out to vote for him"

Obama may have had 'uneducated' youngsters voting for him, but the statistics show that the majority of those with a university degree or above also voted for him.

The fact is that the higher a person's educational level the more likely it is they voted for Obama.

The 'idiots' who voted in this election are those in-bred, red neck whites in the deep south who voted for McCain/Palin in overwhelming numbers.

The intellectuals in New York, Washington etc overwhelmingly voted democrat.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 05/11/2008 16:05:17
#166 How refreshing - another liberal (Democrat) who thinks it's okay to use foul names like "red neck whites" but totally unacceptable to use any disparaging terms about blacks. As ever, the Democrats are all about THEIR OWN political correctness, hypocrisy and silencing any democratic voices that challenge THEIR opinions. Some things just never change.
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Alan B,

05/11/2008 16:06:22
#Yeah1

Breaking down voter patterns to perceived intelligence is gutter politics. The democrat supporters who pushed that view the more intelligent Obama is disgusting. It is also alot more complicated than that. Poor whites may perceive Obama to favour poor blacks and hence they will miss out. The rich tend to favour the republicans and are more likely to have better qualifications.

In the UK the middle classes are more likely to support the tories and less educated working classes labour. Does that make labour voters dumb by comparison.

In truth it is much more complicated. Voters vote based on alot of different reasons and their perceptions. Even in the uk there is big differences in the north to south. In a much bigger country like the US similar regional voting patterns will be common.
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DaughterofScotland,

Chicago! 05/11/2008 16:08:52
Have been reading about the demographics who came out to vote and give Obama the presidency: it was a combination of new voters (both young and those who haven't voted in a long time), the African-American community, and disenfranchised Republicans that put Obama over the top.

Now, speaking as a white, 40-something, suburban woman, who proudly cast my vote for Obama, I also know a lot of other women like me who also voted for him. In fact, the county I live in (northwest of Chicago) has always been staunchly Republican -- I know, it seems strange being so close to Chicago -- and it went completely Democratic this year!

I don't think pointing a finger at any one group or sub-group and saying "they were the ones who got Obama elected" is the answer. My husband and I were in Grant Park last night, and we saw black, white, asian, hispanic, young, old, gay, straight, city-dweller, suburbanite, rich, poor, university educated and not -- we were all there together. Strangers laughing and talking, and ultimately cheering (and yes, lots of crying, I admit it), all together. This is what Obama can do: bring people of such disparate backgrounds together to find a common cause.

(By the by: the police presence was obvious and they kept things moving smoothly; it was a very well-behaved group of 100,000 or so people.)

What was perhaps even more awesome (in the true sense of the word), was after the rally, all those thousands of jubilant people poured out of Grant Park into Michigan Avenue! Thousands and thousands of us walking down one of the US's most busy bustling streets, devoid of cars for the evening...and the singing, dancing, cheering, laughing crowds celebrating together. Differences cast aside for the time being, and instead: everyone being in the moment.

I certainly felt proud to be an American as we walked down that street with so many others, so many who are so different from us, and yet, at that time, we were made to see how alike we all are :)
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Griffe,

05/11/2008 16:11:23
Great news for the US and the world. When will we get a charismatic leader in place of our dull, dour, boring, awkward PM?
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Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 05/11/2008 16:36:46
#169 Doubter of Scotland

"...as we walked down that street with so many others, so many who are so different from us..."

Wow! What a racist comment! This is exactly what I hear in South Africa from the whites who cannot come to terms with the new South Africa. It is always "we" and "us" and "them" and "those people"

Are you not all Americans yet?
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Alan B,

05/11/2008 16:46:57
#Cutty Sark

The other think Obama needs to do is push the EU to accept Turkey.

Turkey borders with Iraq, Syria and Iran.

A richer Turkey could and should have a stronger influence on the middle east by being a rich and stable democracy that can assert influence as a muslim nation.

He also needs to encourage the EU to work together more in defence matters. The US is caught between wanting to control european countries in terms of defence issues and allowing the EU to assert itself more.

With Turkey as part of the EU and a robuster EU defence capabilities then historic issues like the dropping of chemical weapons on the kurds by Sadam may never have happened.

Sadam would have been much less likely to invade Kuwait if a strong EU military presence was sitting on its door step.

Part of the problem with Bush's approach to the middle east was to be confrontational with the worst of the middle east regimes. Again the problem is really one with the EU. The best approach is for the EU with US support to really try to encourage democracy and prosperity in north africa.

If countries like Algeria (old French colony) and Egypt (Israel neighbour in the south) can democratise then it will further alienate the most most radical countries.

But again oil is important. The US and the EU need to move away from middle east oil dependency otherwise we are just throwing alot of money at pretty dodgy regimes. Without reliance on Saudi oil then more pressure can be put on Saudi to democratise.
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Alan B,

05/11/2008 16:54:39
Obama also needs to use the window of opportunity to revamp the UN.

The UN needs to be modernised for today world, to deal with todays problems.

Having a bigger security council removing the veto of those on the permanent security council would be a start.

It is daft that one country can veto UN decisions.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 05/11/2008 17:40:07
117 - even weirder that there hasnae been a black pres before now.
Anyway he's half white as well as half black. Hopefully in future it'll be the person's character that will matter rather than their skin colour (take note Yanks, it's spelt COLOUR !)

Congrats to the American people you've shown up the atavistic political traditions of us Brits.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 05/11/2008 17:42:52
118 - Clinton had to put up with the Very Reverend Starr, sniffing aroond his private life for most of his 2nd term.

anyway, best of luck to the US of A.
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Ewan Oosami,

05/11/2008 18:01:32
Hes not black exactly as one half of the family is white so maybe he's just tanned.
Will he now rename The White House the Black House?
Good luck to the guy, he'll need it with the mess he's been left
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 05/11/2008 19:11:21
#140 SouthernGent

One would almost surmise that you fancy yourself an editor or contributor towards "Debrett's Baronetage and Peerage".

For your information, I was brought up within waving distance of Buckingham Palace in Mayfair (ever heard of that exclusive neighbourhood/) and I find your sniping and "holier-than-thou" attitude towards myself and others to be infra dig and almost UNgentlemanly.
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Ms Doreen in the Cyber Shebeen,

05/11/2008 19:29:59
Congratulations and good luck Mr President...a black man in the white house..at last...you have a bit of a task ahead of you but a lot of support behind you...
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SouthernGent,

05/11/2008 19:56:30
#183
Just advice from an old seasoned indivdual. You can take it or leave it, but it must make you think about it or you wouldn't respond. Why must you stoop into the gutter to get your point across? Does that really make sense?
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SouthernGent,

05/11/2008 19:59:55
#178
You can't possibly be defending Clinton's behavior. He knew darn well he shouldn't have been doing it. An utter disgrace to his position.
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DaughterofScotland,

Chicago! 05/11/2008 22:07:44
#172
It's not at all racist, in that I was commenting on all the different people there and how marvelous that Obama appeals to so many of different backgrounds (as opposed to McCain for sure); see my 3rd paragraph: "...we saw black, white, asian, hispanic, young, old, gay, straight, city-dweller, suburbanite, rich, poor, university educated and not..."

I don't see being different from each other as a negative thing. Do you?
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 05/11/2008 22:28:02
-- An utter disgrace to his position

Scratch a prude and you find a voyeur and freeper. Gentlemen do it in the back seat of their cars.
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Conan the Librarian™,

05/11/2008 23:41:31
189
Alone?
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Yankee girl,

California 06/11/2008 00:01:02
The times they are a-changin.'
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Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 06/11/2008 04:15:55
#188 Daughter

It is not being different from each other that is the issue. It is being different and thinking in terms of "them" and "us" that gives me the clue to your racist thinking.

You "proudly cast your vote" for Obama. When did you last "proudly host a black person to tea" in your house?
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 06/11/2008 12:20:08
#185 SouthernGent

When did you have that revelation and declare yourself the arbiter of good taste on this site and probably in your daily life?

When I was attending university at one of England's oldest universities I encountered such as you and avoided such like the plague because such undergraduates were inimical to intellectual development and fruition and the attainment of my doctorate in Victorian literature (Trollope, Dickens, Eliot, etc.).

Nemo me impune lacessit.
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SouthernGent,

06/11/2008 15:58:24
Name calling is a character flaw. I guess if you have no character you wouldn't know that , would you?
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