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Published Date: 18 April 2009
EDINBURGH'S position as a leading financial centre was dealt a fresh blow yesterday, after details emerged of plans to move "middle-office" financial service jobs to eastern Europe.
The Scotsman has learned that US financial giant Citigroup has identified areas of its business in the Scottish capital that could be transferred to a "centre of excellence" in Poland.

In an e-mail, staff were warned that a review of the company's "operating model" had suggested that the work of four Edinburgh teams could potentially be moved abroad.

The capital is already reeling from Royal Bank of Scotland's announcement earlier month to axe 9,000 posts over the next two years, including about 4,500 in the UK. Staff at Bank of Scotland are also awaiting news of a headcount reduction following the takeover by Lloyds TSB of HBOS.

While some back-office financial jobs have already moved to eastern Europe, experts believe Citigroup's move suggests an acceleration of the trend.

Fears are now growing that structural changes in the industry, such as the movement of jobs to lower-paid economies, will continue apace, driven by the desire to cut costs.

Ron Hewitt, the chief executive of Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, warned that the plan for job cuts was a "distinctive threat" to Edinburgh's position as a major financial centre.

Citi warned staff in its e-mail that the "reconciliations, treasury settlements, stock settlements and transaction control teams" could be affected by the proposals.

The posts have been described as "middle-office" functions – those that do not necessarily interact directly with clients, but are still skilled roles.

It is understood that less than 10 per cent of positions at Citi's Edinburgh base – it employs about 400 staff in the capital – are affected by the proposals. Citi's e-mail said a "full consultation" would be carried out with staff and "every effort will be made to investigate ways to mitigate the impact ".

But Mr Hewitt said the job losses came as "very disappointing news", adding: "If detailed compliance jobs of this nature are being shipped to foreign parts, however small the numbers of people involved, then it's a distinct threat to the importance of Edinburgh as a major centre for financial services.

"While we are used to call centre-level functions being placed elsewhere, we would be surprised if the transition of jobs at such a high level could be easily achieved in any great number."

The news came as Citi's US parent group yesterday posted a first-quarter loss of $966 million (£654 million), less than banking analysts had predicted.

Industry experts said Polish proposals such as those being put forward by Citigroup were made to save money.

Bryan Johnston, divisional director at investment management firm Brewin Dolphin's Edinburgh office, said: "I think you have to acknowledge the fact that we're a relatively expensive country for employment.

"I fear this is a trend that will continue. This is disappointing, but companies working international with operations that don't actually relate physically to clients or customers can afford to put their support services anywhere in the world.

"That's what they're doing, they're going for the cheapest area," Mr Johnston said. "We have got to wake up to the challenge."

Tony Virdi, a board member of trade group the National Outsourcing Association, said firms could expect to pay workers in eastern Europe about half the amount of their Scottish equivalents.

He added: "This is not a new trend. Back-office work is being looked at by all financial services organisations and in many cases it has already been done.

"Some of the Scottish companies have been slower at outsourcing than some of the companies based in England.

"In finance and administration outsourcing, the first thing that normally goes is financial accounting, human resources and those kind of back-office functions. These jobs are an extension of that.

"Some of these are more 'middle-office' than true back-office jobs. Reconciliation is a key area. They require a certain level of prowess in terms of educational skill, and countries like Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic have a highly skilled workforce that is bilingual."

But Owen Kelly, chief executive of industry body Scottish Financial Enterprise, argued jobs were not leaking abroad.

He said: "This area – asset servicing, the 'plumbing that underpins international financial transactions – has been a real growth sector for Scotland.

He said: "I think what we're seeing at Citi is what you would expect from any well-organised company: reconfiguration to deliver the best value for customers and shareholders.

"I think it's true that taking advantage of a 'centre of excellence' in Poland makes good business sense, but their commitment to Edinburgh remains unshaken, and that reflects Scotland's qualities in the skills that asset servicing really values."

He added: "All financial service companies … are looking to maximise their efficiencies, and this is part of that.



One Scots bank bucks the trend and reports a profit

FOR as long as most in Scotland's banking world can remember, Sir Angus Grossart has dominated Edinburgh's financial scene, and his investment nous has made him a fortune estimated at more than £150 million.

But yesterday the investment guru revealed how torrid the year has been for his merchant bank, Noble Grossart, where profits have been halved. Although it is tiny compared with Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS, at least Noble Grossart made a profit last year.

The Sage of the New Town hailed his bank's "intuitive caution" founded on its "financial anthropology" – based on its 40 years of offering loans, investment and advice to wealthy Scottish individuals and industrialists. In an unusual and at times impassioned statement introducing the company's latest accounts, Sir Angus said his bank had never believed that the good times fostered by rising house prices and cheap credit would stay.

"It is wise to remember trends seldom last," he said.

Sir Angus also hit out at politicians, criticising the way many have been so quick to judge the financial community harshly. He said:"Markets and economies will only recover when trust and confidence in financial institutions and markets is restored."

He called for politicians to "reflect" on this.

In its results to the year-end of January 2009, profits at the bank – which is 70 per cent owned by Sir Angus – fell to £5 million from £11.7 million the year before. The rest is owned by Ewan Brown, the former Lloyds TSB chairman who has been on the board of Noble Grossart since the company was founded in 1969.

However, the group's assets were worth £77 million, up from £75 million. Most of its assets were in the form of hard cash, shifted from riskier assets, such as investments and loans, which had been cut from £38 million to £17.5 million.

Sir Angus says "no-one predicted the timing and the virulent severity of the economic and financial downturn".

But he adds that his company's "long-held prudent approach" meant it "saw amber and red lights ahead" and switched its investment strategy in time to prevent an even worse return.

On the economic future, Sir Angus was lyrical, but upbeat: "The ground ahead is rocky, and obscured by a thick mist, but difficult times will not last forever." He added: "We believe we are very strongly placed when conditions stabilise, as they certainly will."

Despite having a reputation for offering shrewd financial advice, the bank's income from fees was down from £6 million to £3.5 million, although this was likely to be due to a downturn in corporate transactions, such as mergers and acquisitions.

Despite seeing his company's profit and income fall, Sir Angus took a £2.3 million dividend. The rest of the profits – £2.7 million after tax and dividend – were paid back into the bank's reserves. Meanwhile, staff wages and salaries at the bank fell by slightly more than £1 million.

The bank also manages a number of Sir Angus's investments in private Scottish companies. He has a 28 per cent share in bus manufacturer Alexander Dennis, which he owns along with Rangers chairman David Murray and Stagecoach bus tycoons Brian Souter and Ann Gloag.

Profits from his investment in David Alexander fell from £7.2 million to £4.6 million.

However, his investment in property company, Bellhouse Joseph, has bucked the trend. Last year the company cost Sir Angus £1.1 million, while this year it made a £500,000 profit.

Dividends from investments in equities fell dramatically from £5.5 million to £1.5 million, likely reflecting both a shift from investing in stock markets and a move away from volatile stocks. Similar income on unlisted investments rose slightly.

Sir Angus was "not concerned" that profits had fallen, as the previous year's performance had been "exceptional".

ERIKKA ASKELAND



FINANCIER WORTH £150M REMAINS CANNY WITH CASH

ALTHOUGH known as the doyen of Scottish finance, Sir Angus Grossart has had to endure the odd controversy during his glittering career.

In 1978, when Sir Angus was one of the auditors to the House of Fraser holding company, Scottish & Universal Investments, he came under fire after accounts were misclassified over a £4 million loan. Sir Angus was left untainted by the affair.

He has also been attacked for sitting in the saddle too long – in 2003, he was forced to step down as chairman of the Scottish Investment Trust after pressure from shareholders angry at the length of his 27-year term.

Last year, he described himself as having "done 15 rounds several times in this business, but I've never been on the canvas".

Those in the know say there is scarcely a financial deal of consequence that happens in Scotland without Sir Angus being involved.

Born in Lanarkshire, Sir Angus's first job was selling toffee from a market stall in Glasgow. He attended Glasgow University, where he qualified in law and accountancy. With the entrepreneur Iain Noble, he set up Noble Grossart, Scotland's first merchant bank, in Edinburgh in 1969.

He is now worth a reported £150 million. Yet despite his wealth, he has been known to cadge a lift with a fellow attendee of the lecture circuit to save himself the train fare.

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  • Last Updated: 18 April 2009 12:47 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Unemployment
 
1

For Scotlands Future,

Vote For The SNP 18/04/2009 00:13:52
Scotland losing jobs? That should cause members of the Labour Party to "High-Five" again as they did when they heard the news of HBOS going under.
2

Nevsky;,

Moscow 18/04/2009 00:23:06
No great surprise. If you don't control your own economy and are powerless to control corporation tax and offer incentives then what is the point in being in Scotland.

Not many international or European HQs in Auld Reekie...plenty in London of course.

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Dark Lochnagar,

http://darklochnagar.blogspot.com 18/04/2009 00:38:58
Well done to Sir Andrew. It just shows what can be done when a bank operates under sound financial restraints and traditional banking business.
4

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 18/04/2009 01:19:11
.. based on its 40 years of offering loans, investment and advice to wealthy Scottish individuals and industrialists.

A. Grossart has his talents of making money out of money, but I don't see much industry and the related technical colleges and infrastructure from his 40 years in the job. Alot of unsung people in Norway have done far better, not unrelated to their Independent stance. It was just a routine job for them.

I went to the leading bank in a Scottish city (and still solvent!) and they told me we don't do shipbuilding. Despite being on a strategic North Sea seaport. Not that they weren't helpful and directed me elsewhere. But perhaps shows the complacency in the scottish financial sector. (Maybe they'd have done a shopping center of football stadium)

So I'm less interested in what profits Angus'es bank makes but what it DOES. At the time, my credit standing was checked and I didn't owe anything and have anything but intellectual capital. Top designers and naval architects!

I was younger at the time and would have run up any amount of debt to build this high spec ship. I'm older and wiser BUT it's hard to get the same enthusiasm for a big project.
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Bistro Lacker,

London 18/04/2009 01:55:10
Hopefully it'll take some of the Poles back across with them.
6

Fifi la Bonbon,

18/04/2009 02:19:38
Isn't Angus Grossart something to do with The Scottish Futures Trust, the body that has transformed public procurement, delivering better value for the taxpayer in financing the massive programme of school building and infrastructure that has been in place since the SNP took responsiblity for the Scottish Executive in 2007? Certainly it has been spending money on its staff - when its business case was unveiled last May it set out running costs of £23m for its first five years, including payroll costs of £1m for seven employees in 2008-09 rising to £4.3m for 20 staff in 2012-13. I know that Angus hasn't actuallly raised any money yet for schools and bridges and the like, but I trust that will all come true in the future. Maybe they could set up a Scottish Present Trust, for now, but given that they managed to split £1m between seven staff, including Angus himself, thats what it actuallly is - presents for the staff?
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 18/04/2009 02:53:54
The Private Public Partnership would have cost at least the same except it's now been declared illegal by the EU. At one time local authorities were civil administration jobs before the previous Tories decided they could call themselves CEOs and appoint themselves the salaries they deserved. Or would the right quality of people ever do this work? When you need directors, they just tend to come in at least at £100,000 +

Schools and bridges used to be built and maintained as required. We actually had this thing called a non-political Civil Service that collected the statistics and organised it. Why they're suddenly crumbling (apart from some not being well built in the first place - and who was the government then?) is another mystery of the age.
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W Smith,

Middle East 18/04/2009 06:29:14
I get fed up of the whingeing from Scotland's politicians every time jobs move abroad.

For the last 10 years plus the numpties in Holyrood were more interested in talking about politically correct nonsense.

Just days ago, Margo MadDonald was prattling on about pigeons and and weeks ago John Wilson(SNP) was prattling on about tropical fish.

The SNP are not the only criminals when it comes to neglect of the economy but Roseanna's little lecture about darning socks kind of sums up the loony left in Scotland.

Unless the corporation tax is cut in Scotland then we can expect more job losses.

BTW
Unfortunately in Scotland cutting corporation tax is seen as a 'right-wing' solution.

I don't care.

A solution is a solution and is better than that unworkable ideology we call socialism.
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eric,

lothian 18/04/2009 07:43:46
This is just a little taste of whats to come.
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The west awake,

Argyll 18/04/2009 08:30:13
Rules - What? - like the 500 new jobs announced for the western isles and the 200 new ones for Campbelltown. All in sunrise renewable industries and in the teeth of a Labour recession?

If the SNP is a "threat", its a threat of jobs, not to jobs.

If you want a threat to jobs, my suggestion is to watch out for London's Darling - coming soon to a job centre near you.
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18/04/2009 08:34:30
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 18/04/2009 08:50:29
And the RBS are free to move jobs from Poland to any other country they choose. (of course now that they are government controlled, that won't happen. As we know, oor lie-bore government in westmonster likes power and presence).

I don't see the fuss really. It's called the EU and this is one of the dividends of that Union. It's not the first time this has happened and it won't be the last.
13

Phil C,

18/04/2009 08:58:03
We could all go to Poland for work, instead of them coming here! The Labour/Tory UK stinks.

Independence NOW!!!!
14

lachlan,

18/04/2009 08:58:32
people complain about 'foreign' worker coming hear and 'taking our jobs' then complain when something like discused in the article happens.we are all europeans now.the jobs moving to poland are not 'polish jobs'anyone from the e.u.is entitled to go for them.what is needed is equal pay and conditions accross the e.u.that would help making such moves less atractive.this and similar issues possibly make the soon european elections more important.
unfortunatly in the uk (that other union)some people see less integration with europe as the answear.not so these days are passed.
without contradicting myself a strong independent scotland in europe would help.
15

Phil C,

18/04/2009 09:02:56
#9 Rules

The anti-Scottish mince served up by onionists, along with Westminster-controlled destruction, continues to drive jobs from Scotland.
16

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 18/04/2009 09:13:28
Phil C

Ignore Rules (AKA Tim Flynn). He has an idendity crisis. He thinks he and everybody else is a Briton in Scotland yet those that consider themselves Scottish do just that - consider themselves Scottish. It makes him feel left out and not affiliated. To that he then makes up wild stories like he's an economist and a graduate of St Andrews university. There is no record of him at that university.

In fact, old Tim Flynn is of Irish origin (Flynn of Irish origin and a noted independent country, means Son of the Ruddy Man) and they came to Scotland during the potato famine.

Mr Flynn should perhaps look into his own origins before stating what ours (the Scots) are lest he offends a nation.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 18/04/2009 09:21:26
Oh then Mr Flynn then slags off the political parties of this country, especially the SNP (calls them traitors, mad eh?) then declares that he doesn't vote.

When quizzed why he doesn't vote, he states that no party is worth voting for and prefers a Federal Anarchistic state.

While on one hand I think he comes up with some great ideas (causeway over the Forth, submarine turbines etc) on the other I think he is a bit of a loonie or extremely eccentric.
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Stan Butler,

18/04/2009 09:21:33
#20 Dave From Barra

'they came to Scotland during the potato famine.

Mr Flynn should perhaps look into his own origins before stating what ours (the Scots) are lest he offends a nation.'


Is that sentiment an example of ethnic nationalism or civic nationalism?

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The Strategist,

18/04/2009 09:43:13
#8 W SMith, Middle East

said:

"Unfortunately in Scotland cutting corporation tax is seen as a 'right-wing' solution...."

That doesn't quite match up with the fact that this is exactly what the SNP have been discussing!

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For Scotlands Future,

Vote For The SNP 18/04/2009 10:21:24
You'll probably find that regulations in Poland are "flexible" and they will not have a financial buffoon of a politician like Maggie Brown trying to tell them what they will pay their staff.

Remember London was the America's "Poland" when AIG set up shop there to circumvent US regulations.

#2 and $9
This is an example of Maggie Brown's policy of creating jobs. He created these jobs in Poland for the express purpose of trying to damage the SNP.

The threat of the SNP drive Labour to break laws more and more, and tell more and more lies.
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JCA REID,

Annan 18/04/2009 10:56:00
Re. #2 & #9. It is simply in Westminster's interests for this to occur...to create this so - called "dependency" on London/England etc.

Economists who are Nobel Prize winners have clearly stated that Scotland can go it alone & be very successful.
If Scotland was separate I sincerely don't think we've gone along the path of London of spiv/shyster financial practices!!
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18/04/2009 11:39:29
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Martyk,

18/04/2009 11:39:32
Can we please stop this absurd national pretence that Edinburgh is some sort of "major financial centre" ? I am not sure that it ever really was but it is pathetic and laughable to pretend it is now. No locally owned banks. No locally owned major financial institutions AT ALL apart from Standard Life. No Stock Exchange. No Bond Markets. No Commodities Markets. No Central Bank. Stop it. Please.
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Gdgy,

18/04/2009 11:50:57
And what have the SNP been doing to prevent this loss of jobs>>>>>>>
F-all
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18/04/2009 12:08:51
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BorderLineScottish,

18/04/2009 12:11:59
Once again, World-famous Scottish EXILE, Nevsky, leads the anti-Scottish Englishmen/SNP charge!

Does he dare to leave his cosy nest in "Moscow" to rally the troops for the impending battle with the English.

Does he f@@K!

Anti Scottish, Anti Scottish, Anti Scottish, Anti Scottish, Anti Scottish, Anti Scottish, Anti Scottish, Anti Scottish, Anti Scottish, Anti Scottish, Anti Scottish, Anti Scottish, Anti Scottish, .....blah, blah, blah...ad infinitum!

The Scottish psyche is dreadfully exposed with all this bleating by the Nationalists and so-called Exiles alike. It's a bloody good job that there are Scots with sensible views and opinions that do not have that ever growing chip on their shoulders.

For those that do, take a trip to England and see for yourself just how much the man on the street couldn't give a f@@k about your much vaunted Independence.

Funny how this filter will let me use "f@@k" but not "t o s s"!
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bluehead,

edinburgh 18/04/2009 12:52:42
brown's political scalpel is working overtime in dissecting Scotland,this pathetic creature will be dancing a jig at latest news of the jobs going to Poland
the labour party seem to be blissfully unaware that this clown is destroying this country,
the price for the labour party is when they are voted out soon,at the next election,they will disappear for ever,they are a washout!!!!
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JC1,

Glasgow 18/04/2009 13:15:36
The problem with the 'eckonomic' approach is that it would lead to a mess as in Ireland where they bent over backwards in terms of tax breaks and subsidies to attract multinationals who then leave, leaving the country in a mess financially. A separate Scotland would be a weak state in a weak state.
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bill-alba,

fife 18/04/2009 13:54:01
#33 and just what kind of state do you think the supposed UK is in..trillions in debt and maybe going begging for more is that not a very very very weak state..be assured it may take a few years after independence but a separate Scotland will not be a weak state.
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Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 18/04/2009 16:17:43

#30 Gene Pool -

"Is Sir Angus Grossart a Quisling, another traitor Scotland for exporting Scottish jobs? Why does the SNP not condemn Grossart? Is he a shyster and a spiv, a barrowboy?"

You should have read the article before jumping into one of your customary mindless anti-Scottish rants. It is Citigroup, not Grossart, that is exporting jobs. Grossart creates jobs.
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Tartan Viking,

19/04/2009 13:25:42
Well in that case can all the financial workers currently based in Edinburgh relocate to Poland? Or will this not be allowed for some reason?
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20/07/2009 02:57:56
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