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Published Date: 18 August 2008
GORDON Brown is facing pressure to tax the rich to help cash-strapped middle-class families struggling to pay bills.
The demand came from Ivan Lewis, a health minister, who said the government needed to show it was in tune with "ordinary" families and had concern for the middle classes as well as the poorest in society.

The intervention of a minister will heap p
ressure on the Prime Minister and Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, to appeal to aspirational voters, and could trigger more open dissent from the government ranks.

Mr Lewis wrote in a newspaper article yesterday that voters expected a Labour government to reward hard work by protecting their quality of life.

"Yes, protect those on the lowest incomes but also help the hard-working middle classes with large mortgage commitments who are neither rich nor poor; the people who work long hours for their two holidays a year, leisure club membership, meals out with family and friends and ability to buy their children nice things."

Ministers should be prepared to target help at the struggling middle classes as well as the lower paid, he said. "Our duty is to make sure we understand what it is like to cope with rising food, fuel and utility bills."





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  • Last Updated: 17 August 2008 9:37 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 18/08/2008 01:13:25
Ivan Lewis's comment about "ordinary people" gives us confirmation on how these morons in London see the people of the three nations and northern ireland.

I choose the Scottish Constitution which makes all Scots the Sovereign Power in all matters. After all have these halfwits forgot that we the people elected them to represent us. We are not here just to justify their career goals and satisfy that they must retire wealthier than most citizens they were appointed to represent. Snouts in the Trough Attitudes?. Yes they havent got a clue about "ordinary people" and are so out of touch, its scary.
2

Truthman,

DC 18/08/2008 02:01:17
Tax the rich to feed the poor 'til there are no rich no more. Rule by the two digit IQ's.
3

Guga II,

Rockall 18/08/2008 04:56:18
Typical New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party. Tax the rich to help the middle classes pay their mortgages, but double the tax from 10% to 20% on the lower paid; presumably also to help the middle classes pay for their mortgages.
4

Jimmy Le Pie,

18/08/2008 07:36:35
When Comrade Broon announced his last budget and the scrapping of the 10p tax rate, Ivan Lewis was one of the Sleaze MP's waving their order papers, thinking they'd outmanoeuvred the Tories.

Has Ivan just discovered his conscience or is he just worried about his place at the trough?????

Answers on a postcard to..........................
5

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 18/08/2008 08:39:58
Instead of raising yet more tax why not consider:-

- deporting illegal immigrants (properly this time) so they're not claiming benefits/accommodation/NHS services etc.
- holding an EU referendum, ditching several billion pounds of wothless expenditure and a stranglehold on industry, fishing to name two
- completely ditch the daft idea on id cards
- determined and rapid reduction in the massive overspending in the public sector - true death of quangos (this time) and a slimming down on the unproductive ratio to something sustainable.
- insist on other NATO forces doing their bit now and withdrawing responsbily from Afghanistan. And since we are not quite a third world country yet but working on it, ditch the idea for 2 aircraft carriers. We used to be a world force but can no longer afford it due to Brown's depredations
- a determined and actual reduction in incapacity benefit payments to those who could work but just cant be bothered and who are smearing others who claim this legitimately.

That is - reduce spending! Not popular with Labour types who think that's the solution and it buys them votes. Plus wholsesale reform of MP's salariesa nd benefits carried out by a truly indpendent body comprised of people - other than politicians.
6

Alan B,

18/08/2008 10:17:35
The labour politician is niave here. Firstly the best way to increase tax revenue is not rasing taxes but increasing the economic growth rate of an economy. If the UK has grown over the last decade at the rate of the small european countries which make up the arc or prosperity then with a similar tax rate you would have considerably more tax revenue. (these countries have grown on average about 3.8% while the uk has grown only 2.8% (scotland with a poor 2.2%).

Taxing the rich is fine in theory but in reality it will increase tax revenue by little and could effect the economic growth rate. Higher taxes in general tend to lead to lower economic growth over the mediun to long term.

The fundamental issue is government have to stop trying to take the easy way out and just raise tax. They need to concentrate more on growing the economy and not by huge budget deficits and huge levels of personal debt as we have seen under labour with short termist growth. They must also look to other ways of addressing problems that just spending tax money.
7

Alan B,

18/08/2008 10:23:20
#The Former Mr. Angry

The most obvious flaw in your argument is over the EU. While people may have issue over the political nature of the eu from an economic perspective it would be severely detrimental to the uk to pull out.

Even in the unlikely situation that the uk could do aswell outside the eu, in the transition period of a decade or so as the economy had to restructure there would be alot of pain.

If you look at the uk before we joined the economy was getting less and less competitive from the end of ww2 compared to our main european competitors. The empire was getting less important and deminishing. Until we got to a real economic low in the 70s.

By joining the eu the uk has become a wealthy country again. That does not mean much of the economic management of our own governments could not be vastly improved. But by pulling out the eu the uk would struggle economically. A poorer economy means less tax revenue and more spending on social security. So you idea soon becomes a false economy.
8

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/08/2008 11:51:55
Why the hell should the "rich" be held responsible for the financial folly of the "middle class"?

This is a hark back to the days of Wilson, with his "super-tax".

Get rid of this shower of morons. The sooner the better.
9

Teofilio Cubillas,

18/08/2008 12:06:54
"the people who work long hours for their two holidays a year, leisure club membership, meals out with family and friends and ability to buy their children nice things."

Sounds like me a couple of years ago. Now I have one holiday a year and not so many meals out. It's called taking personal responsibility and not expecting others to bail me out.

ps #6 - spot on.
10

Turkey Jerky,

18/08/2008 12:59:02
The problem with the "taxing the rich" idea is thus.

Only the rich can afford to move away from this rapidly deteriorating nation.

Everyone wants them to live in their country to gain a bit of wealth by association(taxes, leisure, etc).

Its the poor and middle classes that specifically lack this freedom to choose their nation of residence. If you increase the taxation on the very wealthy, you will soon have no very wealthy people to tax. Away to san jose so to speak.

Also they can employ the most devious of accountants and cover businesses and lawyers. Far more skilled than the government can afford.

It is in this way that only the poor and middling are subject to the law.
11

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 18/08/2008 13:22:25
Many, many countries have tried for years to tax the rich and make them pay their fare share but they have too many slick lawyers and accountants and unlimited funds so it will be a long time before the imbalance is balanced.

The rich get richer because the make their money on the backs and sweat and toil of the "middle and lower" classes.

It has been this way for centuries and I see no light at the end of the tunnel within my lifetime.
12

Bien E. Bien,

18/08/2008 15:03:40
"the ability to buy their children nice things"

I am looking to buy a Moog synthesizer for myself and my family, and heartily expect that I won't have to give up one of my two annual holidays to be able to afford this.
13

danbob,

18/08/2008 15:48:13
It was always a case of tax the rich to help the poor. Now it,s tax the rich the help the middle class. Have things really got that bad or is it possibly just another liebour gimmick to woe the turkeys into voting for Christmas again?
14

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/08/2008 17:59:52
Turkey Jerky:

Quite right. If I even became "rich", you wouldn't see me for dust. I'd be straight off to Monaco, where I could lie in the sun, smoke in the bar, drive my car around without being made to feel a pariah and also park it for 3 Euros a day in an underground car park.

Additionally, Monaco has a constitutional monarcy, which means that you don't get any mad schemes from mis-guided politicians ending up on the statute books.
15

Joe Macdelta.,

18/08/2008 18:41:52
But the rich dont pay tax, they have accountants who figure out all the tax loopholes, so I am afraid we will have to continue paying tax more than them. It sounds good, but this Gov. do not have the balls for it, so its up to everyone else except MPs.
16

Itchy,

18/08/2008 19:04:29
"GORDON Brown is facing pressure to tax the rich to help cash-strapped middle-class families struggling to pay bills."

Sod off Labour. Sod off and stop taxing everyone to death.

What happened when Labour went to tax the rich in the 1970s? They all cleared off and Labour found the treasury collecting 83% of sod all.

Total and utter pig ignorance.
17

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19/08/2008 02:37:44
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