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Published Date: 03 July 2009
A SENIOR Cabinet minister yesterday denied Gordon Brown's administration was losing the authority to govern after a series of reverses over the Royal Mail, ID cards and the clean-up of Westminster's expenses system.
Justice Secretary Jack Straw insisted that U-turns on plans to part-privatise the Royal Mail and on forcing British citizens to carry identity cards were not a sign of weakness but proved the government was listening.

The government also suffe
red a rare Commons defeat on proposals to allow remarks made by MPs in parliament to be used in court proceedings, and earlier dropped another clause in its Parliamentary Standards Bill to force MPs to abide by a legally-binding code of conduct.

Mr Straw said: "What we are doing is listening very carefully, but also taking account of changed circumstances."

Mr Brown, who was on a visit to Yorkshire and the north- east of England, came under continued pressure from Conservative leader David Cameron over whether he was telling the truth about the state of the UK economy.

The Prime Minister paid an impromptu visit to a fishmonger in Leeds after being told by the shopkeeper's wife on a radio phone-in that it had been badly hit by the recession.

Fishmonger Cliff Hocken said afterwards: "It was very nice to see – the fact that he's a human at the end of the day and he's tried to understand the problems that are arising."

But the government faced a warning that its decision not to proceed with the part-sale of the Royal Mail would do nothing to help a service in dire need of modernisation in its working practices and industrial relations, and which is being dragged down by a pension fund deficit that is projected to hit £10 billion.

Under the now-abandoned plans, the government had pledged to take responsibility for plugging the pension fund gap – freeing up the Royal Mail to progress as a commercial entity, aided by a private-sector partner.

But Richard Hooper, the businessman whose review of the Royal Mail led to the government's plans, said the pension deficit could prove overwhelming. "The universal postal service, the delivery of letters six days a week to 28 million households across the UK, is threatened by the finances of the Royal Mail," he said.

The Prime Minister's spokesman said the pension fund deficit remained a matter for the company to resolve.





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02/07/2009 22:07:52
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 02/07/2009 23:09:25
So let's get this straight. Brown has now done a u-turn because in reality the unions were going to pull the plug on Labour funding if he had gone ahead.

Instead, Brown has been forced to back off in case there was an internal meltdown of the PLP and at the same time washed his hands of any responsability regarding the postal workers pensions!

All for a few quid from the Unions and a few extra weeks in power!

If Labour are indeed listening to the people then why don't they call an election?

3

Fletty73,

Stirling 03/07/2009 01:58:49
Isn't it obvious Labour are doing everything in their power to make sure they "don't" win the next elecation.?
Complete basket cases on every single issue.
4

Faux Cul,

03/07/2009 06:31:02
Took a long time for the hearing aid to work.
5

Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 06:53:47
So, Labour have dirched privatising the Post Office, cancelled ID cards and put Trident on the back burner. They've also agreed that they will announce at their party conference this autumn that a referendum on Scottish independence will be held on the same day as the next general election, organised and run by Westminster.
Interesting times.
6

Joe Plaice,

the Nutmeg of Consolation 03/07/2009 07:24:53
If NuLiebore were listening to the electorate, they would know how much they are despised and loathed. They would quickly get the message and call a General Election as it is obvious that they are now the least popular party in the history of popular parties.

The article should actually tell us that the NuLiebore mob have dropped these rubbish plans as they don't have the money or consensus to implement them and that trying to pass them would just slam the coffin lid shut on their rotten administration all the sooner.
7

Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 07:36:13
10
So, how long have you been a conservative?
8

Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 07:41:55
12
Brown made absolutely clear that there would only be a referendum if the red lines were breached. They weren't.
9

TWC,

exLabour 03/07/2009 08:06:07
9 Grahamski,

I don't know if you are joking about the referendum but I've been telling you for months that that very referendum is the only way to challlenge the swing to Independence.
However, the Fiscal powers need to be boosted to Full Fiscal Autonomy and should have a plan for an English Parliament.

We would then shrink Westminster(Commons & Lords) to a fraction of it's current size.
SLAB need to start making more policy as we lead up to this change.
10

TWC,

exLabour 03/07/2009 08:08:06
BTW Graham, I don't agree on the Lisbon treaty.

I think Brown should have had the referendum, now there isn't a hope in H*** of it getting support.
11

Marian,

03/07/2009 08:12:20
What we are seeing is the ultimate confidence trick perpetrated of merely postponing unpopular policies as Gordon Brown and Alastair Darling with Peter Mandelson pulling the media strings all around him – try and try to make political capital to try and win a UK general election based on unprecedented borrowing to create a sense of feel-good - knowing that disaster is surely ahead and being exacerbated by policies which are all about Brown's political survival, and that of the New Labour government, and most certainly not about what is best for the UK.
12

Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 08:13:36
TWC
I'm not joking about the referendum. I still oppose it but I see why the Labour government are doing it. Do you think the SNP will try and have another referendum the following year if as is likely the majority of Scots reject independence next May?
13

Faux Cul,

03/07/2009 08:16:46
Scrap the H of Commons and turn it into an English Parliament.

Scrap the H of Lards and turn it into a Parliament of the British Isles, with The Republic of Ireland invited in. Very contentious and I am nt sure that they would see it in their best interests to do so.

This Parliament of the British Isles would legislate on common areas but I am buggered what they could be.

Anyway it is a talking point.
14

Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 08:16:55
18
What you are seeing is a Labour government putting itself on an election campaign footing. They have jettisoned the deeply unpopular policies and are going to go toe to toe with the Tories over spending.
The choice for Britain is as stark as it is simple. A return to Thatcherite policies or a left of centre social democratic Britain.
15

Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 08:18:25
20
That sounds completely bonkers.....but strangely sensible too
16

TWC,

exLabour 03/07/2009 08:28:18
19 Grahamski,

Graham, i think it will shut the subject down but only if it flattens the Fiscal problem and that demands Autonomy for England and Scotland while boosting common policies. I've always said this to Faux Cul but the debate will only come when the Alterantives are defined.

If it is not Fiscal Autonomy I would support Independence.
17

Martinh,

03/07/2009 08:51:45
#24. So you will be quite happy to work for less than the current minimum wage (the Tories will likely abolish this)see your holiday and parental rights abolished, see pension credits abolished for those entirely dependent on the State pension? All this and much more will happen when the stupid people vote in Cameron and his bunch of silver spoon born Tory toffs masquerading as a shadow cabinet.
18

Queen D,

03/07/2009 09:17:55
25 , did no one contact you?
" Tory toffs " " poshboys" not to be used anymore, apparently the politics of envy is'nt working , not since Crewe and Nantwich debacle!
We've moved on , now we play the homophobic card,and of course we have'nt played out the defence /fear card yet.

There will be huge CUTS no matter who wins next time , Labour have bankrupted the country, if illegal wars on two fronts was'nt enough then bands not being regulated by the regulators was ans is.

This spin of Mr Straws is just juvenile.

Anyone watch the worst QT in living memory last night?
19

Martinh,

03/07/2009 09:28:06
# 27. Two illegal wars? Iraq yes, Afghanistan certainly not.
20

Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 03/07/2009 09:39:45
"Straw claims U-turns show government is listening to the public"

During the good times:

Public: oi! listen to us and our will
Straw: Eh?
public: Are you listening?
Straw: What? Do I know you?
Public: Right, everything has turned to sh*t under your command, we're not voting for you anymore. Take a look at the EU elections as a taste of your future.
Straw: Hello, what can I do for you??? Please let me help you!
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morris,

edinburgh 03/07/2009 09:46:08
A SENIOR Cabinet minister yesterday denied Gordon Brown's administration was losing the authority to govern after a series of reverses over the Royal Mail, ID cards and the clean-up of Westminster's expenses system.

NO.
Newspapers are supposed to be able to understand the differences between the tenses.

They lost the authority to govern a long time ago!Its just sad that we cannot force this clown out!The opposition parties should conduct an opinion poll on whether we wish to go to the polls. That would be irrefutable proof that when I claim Labour have no moral authority to govern,I do so with sincerity.

The government is U turning faster than a spinning top,and the common denominator is not listening to the people,as they claim, or acting in their interests,but saving their own pig swilling necks.
Anybody who still votes Labour should reasonably be expected to be detained under the Mental Health Acts.
22

Martinh,

03/07/2009 09:49:48
#29. A bill to abolish the minimum wage was moved in the Commons on 10th February by former Transport minister the Tory MP Christopher Chope, and the former Tory Chief Whip Greg Knight. They argued that it is wrong to force employers to stick to Labour's £5.73 an hour minimum wage in a recession. No doubt in my mind where Tory instincts lie.

Many people do rely upon the minimum pension guarantee. The Tories have already said they would abolish this means tested benefit in favour of an average non targeted rise, which of course pushes these people back into poverty.

There is now a statutory right to 5 weeks paid holidays. Witdrawal from the social chapter would mean this would go too as of right. Interesting that you don't regard parental rights especially paternal ones of importance. Perhaps children don't mean much to you, but you were once one you know?

I'm in favour of human rights full stop. Everybody has a right to a fair trial whatever their crime.
23

Luigiana,

Aberdeen 03/07/2009 09:52:48
The man of straw speaks, and nobody listens.

CREEP!
24

morris,

edinburgh 03/07/2009 09:58:04
19 I'm not joking about the referendum. I still oppose it.
So you will not vote then .







25 So what do you suggest we do in Scotland Martin?

Vote Labour (or any UK party for that matter) and guarantee it happens?

25

morris,

edinburgh 03/07/2009 10:01:06
33 Hopefully he will be Jack (the last) Straw before very long.
26

TWC,

exLabour 03/07/2009 10:11:24
25 Martinh

Get into the 21st Century. Even the Tories won't be that stupid again.

On Pension Credit, that is just means testing which Tony Blair said he would do away with.

Tax credits have removed the incentive for ORDINARY people to invest for retirement because as soon as you do it comes right of in means testing.


Voice of experience here, guys who worked with me didn't contribute nowe get benefits I don't.

Maybe I should have squandered mine too
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 03/07/2009 11:03:26
#32, martinh.

In the event of a substantial Tory majority in Westminster, which outcome, do you think, will be better positioned to protect the people of Scotland:

40 NuLabour MPs?

40 SNP MPs?

Will you give reasons for your choice?
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 03/07/2009 11:13:03
Well you don't seem to be listening to the Scottish public.

More than 2/3rds want a referendum.
The majority of Scots for the past 50-years have want the Nukes out of Scotland.
The majority want real control over the taxes that are raised in Scotland, and not just pocket money.
The majority say that it is SCOTLAND'S OIL REVENUES.
The majority want to see an Oil Fund set up in the say way as Norway.
The majority do not want more nuclear power station built in Scotland.

How's that for a starter Jack??
29

Ronald Penman,

03/07/2009 11:19:09
Grahamski. A Left of Centre Govt ? Now who would that be then ? Certainly not HER BRITANIC MAJESTYS NEW LABOUR PARTY thats for sure.

Only a cretin would imagine that animals like "Maggie" Brown, Straw,Darling or M'Lard "Mandy" Mandelson are in any sense Left of Centre.

Do enlighten us Grahamski, just exactly what NEW LABOURS "Left of Centre" policys are: Trident replacement? Ilegal wars? Record levels of child poverty? Do tell you half-wit!
30

TWC,

exLabour 03/07/2009 11:20:28
38 For Scotlands Future,

well said, It amazes me that Nats and thinking Unionists all support the list you made but the Politicians just aren't listening.
31

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 03/07/2009 11:50:12
Actually, these U-turns show how incompetent this Westminster Govt is.
32

Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 11:51:19
39
Try a decade or so under a vicious Thatcherite government and see just how crass and juvenile your pathetic rant actually is.
33

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 03/07/2009 11:53:19
13 Graham

And what exactly were these red lines?
34

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/07/2009 11:54:12
21 They should have dropped the unpopular policies in 1997 shouldn't they Grahamski. Not 12 years later. How stupid do they think we are ?

Too little too late.

If you want left of centre social democrats you vote SNP not Labour.
35

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/07/2009 11:55:17
42 Been there done that have no intention of doing it again, but that is what a vote for Labour will get us. Deja vu.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 11:57:38
44
Of course they should have done it sooner.
If you want to avoid a Tory government vote Labour.
I take it you will oppose the referendum on independence next May?
37

Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 11:59:18
43
Is your google broken?
38

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/07/2009 12:02:50
I take it you will oppose the referendum on independence next May?

What ?
39

Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 12:08:15
The referendum next May on independence?
It'll happen.
40

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/07/2009 12:09:06
49 What are you banging on about.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 03/07/2009 12:29:17
#50, Obs.

He's refering to NuLab's kite flying about holding an Independence Referendum on the same day as the Westminster Election.

They won't because they'll lose but, maybe, they are just stupid enough to be led to destruction by the Sultan of Spin, Oor Mandy.

Let's hope so.
42

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/07/2009 12:35:06
51 I don't know much about their latest ''bring it on'' I was hoping Grahamski could tell us, but he's gone all shy.
43

TWC,

exLabour 03/07/2009 12:40:41
52 Observer, Frank,

I know most of youguys are Nats but a referendum is a possible deflector of Independence. If they offer Calman or Status quo as the option then most of us would vote for Independence but if real Fiscal Autonomy wer offered then the debate would be about other issues within the UK.

It is obvious Plan Calman has failed so why not
44

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/07/2009 12:48:37
53 I don't see how full fiscal autonomy would have prevented Iraq, or could prevent a determined UK govt from renewing Trident to be honest TWC. I don't want any of my taxes funding stuff like that.

I don't think Labour will hold a referendum on indepednence for the simple reason that they haven't a clue what the outcome would be.
45

frank mcbride,

lusitania 03/07/2009 12:53:12
#53, TWC.

There i s absolutely no chance of the Unionist Alliance making FFA an option so, let them come ahead with the referendum.

As you hope, in 1997, NuLab harboured some hope of an inconclusive result in the Referendum if it was held on the same day as another vote. They haven't learned.
46

frank mcbride,

lusitania 03/07/2009 12:55:15
#55.

CORRECTION.

Line 3, "hope" should read, "know".
47

Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 13:00:27
52
Observer,
A referendum on independence organised and run by the Labour government.
It will be announced in the autumn at their party conference.
Fact.
48

Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 13:01:01
57
Will the nats support it?
49

TWC,

exLabour 03/07/2009 13:04:25
58 Grahamski,

What will the options be Graham?
50

Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 13:07:03
59
From the Labour Party guy I was talking to it'll be one question; do you support Scotland leaving the UK.
51

Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 13:07:50
60
Short and sweet, the theory is let's get this over with. Personally I don't support it but I see why they would do it....
52

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/07/2009 13:09:11
57 They've announced it now haven't they.

But the devil's in the details and who knows them ?

Anyway - lunch.
53

TWC,

exLabour 03/07/2009 13:14:11
61 Grahamski,

Graham, I don't like it either because without an improved Devolution offer it is crazy.

2/3 of the Scots want Fiscal control more than Calman offers. Also it is obvious the Union, as is. is unpopular with every country.

English voters are keen to get a Parliament so it's time to make a real shift.
54

Grahamski,

Falkirk 03/07/2009 13:18:04
63
I think the theory is that once the constitutional question has been settled for a generation (20yrs?) then we can concentrate on exactly the devolution most folk want.
55

Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 03/07/2009 13:22:35
"....a viscious Thatcherite Govt" Mmmmmmmmm

I wonder Grahamski whether you are being deliberatly obtuse, or whether you are just another of those Rabid-Right, NEW LABOUR sycophants and sociopaths who spew
out their venom,and utterly in denial as to the extent of NEW LABOURS betrayal of the values of ordinary, decent people ?

These NEW LABOUR scum have got away with attacks on the poor and unfortunate that Thatcher could only dream off. And who was it said that NEW LABOUR was her finest creation ?

Facts are unpalatable to idiots like you I understand, but lets just focus on a couple for a moment.

Thanks to NEW LABOUR the gap between the rich and poor has reached new records.

Children living in poverty - yes you guessed it - record levels of deprivation, akin to that of a developing country.

Asylum seekers; criminalised and rendered destitute thanks to the NEW LABOUR pigs .

Answer those concerns - if you dare Grahamski. Or have you no shame ?

Otherwise keep your foul opinions to yourself, and get the heck out of here !

56

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 03/07/2009 13:23:55
57 What? So when is this "Special" bill going to go through the commons?

Another U-turn on a U-turn....., so the proposed bill in Scotland that Ian Gray and every slabber since have said the SNP should drop because nobody was interested was lies in the great tradition of the Labour party?


If you and the labour party really think that you can win the referendum then support the proposed bill in Scotland, easy.
57

TWC,

exLabour 03/07/2009 13:25:05
64 Grahamski,

No Graham this is really dangerous stuff, I don't fear Independence but going without a reasonably good alternative is like Russian Roulette.

Apart from Fiscal powers the only thing the Nats have thrown at me is the Iraq debacle.

If the Fiscal Power is really fixed and Iraq is answered then there is a straight face off betwen Labour and the Nats.

Clear debate etc
58

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 03/07/2009 13:27:21
57 Also if you think I am naive enough to trust Westminster after the gerrymandering of the 79 referendum you have another thing comming.
59

Eve,

Scotland 03/07/2009 14:44:15
U turns are fun!
No if only they wold have a U-turn on the WoMD

#10 Grahamski: Talking tae yer self are ye!!!
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 03/07/2009 14:51:53
OK then Straw... You reckon you are a "listening government" do you?

Well then. Listen to this...

Scrap the smoking ban
Scrap speed cameras
Slash the duty on petrol and diesel
Slash the duty on tobacco
Scrap tiered road tax
Outlaw un-neccessary bus lanes
Increase the speed limit on motorways to 80mph and make it advisory in rural sections

Still listening?
61

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 03/07/2009 15:00:59
68,69 Beat it you numptie!

Eve @ 70 He does it all the time.

71 Are you willing to accept the increase in social / health problems from scrapping the smoking ban?
62

Eve,

Scotland 03/07/2009 16:12:37
#71 Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head:
There is a lot of problems way yer list. Mainly because it is obviously a personal wish list.

You simply havenae even give a thought to the fact that, some of us relay on buses to get us from one Village/Town/City to another.

Bus lanes are supposed to help the buses run more on time.

I would have thought if anything there should be more bus lanes, therefore making travel by bus more reliable.

#72 Tormod: Aye!
Though should bare in mind yer talking to someone who belongs to the exclusive if I'm all right everything in the world is all right club. Pretty obvious by the list it's the most self obsessed thing I've ever read in my life.
63

TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 03/07/2009 16:43:35
#73, the guy's a numpty. He's very immature. Some some the things he's posted go along the lines of:-
"I prefer driving in the snow - it's more of a challenge."
"I can easily drink 8 pints and two bottels of wine."
"Speeding is safe."
His list come as no surprise - it's the same one he writes to Santa every year.
64

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 03/07/2009 17:40:40
Clearly the U-turn on these initiatives is just an attempt by Brown and Mandelson to take unattractive cr*p off the menu whilst pretending that everything else is OK. So sorry it hasn't affected this taxpayer and voter at all.

Looked at from a management perspective, why introduce proposed bills if they were no use in the first place. Why weren't you listening when we said id cards are rubbish?

Royal Mail - possible a less contentious issue but not to the unions who were holding a gun to Brown's head, which of course he then bottles out of because Labour like the country they purport to represent are broke.

"Listen as you trough regardless" sums up the MP expenses situation and they're still at it, unrepentant and needing a thoroughly good cleanout.

Just because Brown makes an "impromptu" (or as we know it headline) visit to one fishmonger does not mean he or Labour are listening. As he continues to plough the economy into the mud is he listening to the majority who say "cut it out" enough's enough? With this bunch of incompetents in charge it's all about image and spin and very little to do with what's good for the country.
65

Pilrig,

Livingston 03/07/2009 21:28:18
24 thanks to the alleged socialist Broon and his raid on pension funds, a lot workin folk will have wait until they're 70 before thay can retire.
66

Sgian Achlais,

03/07/2009 21:54:13
10Grahamski, Falkirk 03/07/2009 07:36:13
10
So, how long have you been a conservative?

===========================================

I had to laugh at the affect the mods deletions had.

Seems poor wee Falkirks Marxist is now accusing himself of being a Tory.

Splendid.
67

Observer,,

Glasgow 03/07/2009 21:59:22
In fairness, thanks to the mods, at 49 I ask myself what I am banging on about. That might have been the most popular post I've made :)
68

karin Mac,

03/07/2009 22:20:03
i cant make head nor tail of this thread could someone explain what the labour will be supporting a referendum thing is all about i couldnt find a link to any announcement and we all know labour likes to announce things not in parliament but through the media
69

morris,

edinburgh 04/07/2009 18:58:58
77

All I have heard is a claim made by Grahamski (or was it Nikostratos) that Labour are to announce this.
A number of questions would arise from this.
1 How would he know before anybody else?
2 Why would they do this (assuming it was a serious comment which is as unlikely as it is likely).
3 How come nobody else has heard this.
So the answer is probably No.

It may be something which is to be announced as part of the Labour Glasgow North East campaign (and mysteriously disappear again immediately afterwards).

I would reasonably expect half of Glasgow's schools to face closure so the Labour Party can step in and save them from the Labour Party, a bit like the Post Offices or something equally numptastic .
If they vote SNP the Clyde will burst its banks and all of North Glasgow will drown is a good one lads,and no stupider than some you have already spun !

70

morris,

edinburgh 04/07/2009 19:01:24
so U turns mean the government is listening according to Jack the Last Straw . They will be doing a lot of listening then!
The fact that you are making U turns shows your governemnt to be in tatters and it literally does not know what to do or where to turn.

CALL AN ELECTION Thats what any sensible person would do.
That lets Labour out then !

 

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