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Shortage of curry chefs as immigration changes start to bite



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Published Date: 09 January 2008
CURRY restaurants are facing an "unprecedented crisis" due to tough new immigration laws, one of Britain's leading Asian businessmen said yesterday.
Enam Ali, the founder of the British Curry Awards, warned that immigration rules were forcing Indian restaurant owners to take on unskilled workers from the UK or EU rather than bring in trained chefs from the sub-continent.

Mr Ali said that unless restaurants could get help to fill job vacancies in their kitchens, the shortage of skilled staff threatened the future of the £3.2 billion industry.

Mr Ali made his comments at a lunch in Edinburgh to mark the achievement of the city's Britannia Spice restaurant in winning a hat-trick of British Curry Awards.

The First Minister, Alex Salmond, and Edinburgh's Lord Provost, George Grubb, were principal guests.

Mr Ali, who presented a special award to restaurant owner Dr Wali Uddin, said: "We are facing an unprecedented crisis that, if not resolved, could decimate our industry. Each year, our sector has to recruit several thousand new staff to work in our kitchens.

"Where once we were able to turn to the sub-continent to find talented chefs brought up with the spices and cooking methods that make a great curry, we now have to try to fill all the vacancies from within the EU countries.

"We operate in a very competitive industry, and our customers expect consistent quality.

"When our British customers go out for a curry meal, they want the full cultural experience. They want to have confidence that the people in the kitchen know what they're doing and that the people serving them are fully conversant with all the dishes on the menu.

"Most Europeans don't have a clue about the spices we use or the way we prepare dishes."

Mr Ali said that the immigration laws were causing restaurants to miss out on huge opportunities for expansion.

A spokesman for the Border and Immigration Service said changes had been made to the immigration system, but there was no reason why Indian restaurants could not train and use local workers, rather than recruiting from the subcontinent.

He said: "The Indian and Bangladeshi restaurant trade has traditionally employed workers of Indian and Bangladeshi extraction. There appears to be no reason why it should not recruit workers from other backgrounds, particularly for lower-skilled positions that do not require specialist skills.

"To date, the sector has not provided evidence to show that it cannot recruit and train workers from the resident workforce to fill lower-skilled positions."

The full article contains 431 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 08 January 2008 10:40 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Immigration and refugees
 
1

Abel Magwitch,

09/01/2008 01:43:56
Now here is a hot new subject for Scotland's much-maligned universities. It brings together physics, chemistry and biology (with health implications too) and no more nonsense about unemployable graduates. Let's hear from the University of Paisley.
2

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 09/01/2008 02:22:15
IN.OTHER.WORDS.BRING.IN.MORE.ASIANS..EAT.MINCE
3

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 09/01/2008 02:36:39
Fair fa' his honest, sonsie face
4

John Blackley,

Austin, TX 09/01/2008 02:39:59
"Each year, our sector has to recruit several thousand new staff to work in our kitchens." And why is that, Mr. Ali? Because of the hundreds of new curry restaurants that open each year? (Of course, no curry houses ever close down - thereby sending their chefs into the street, looking for another job.)

Or is it because working as a "chef" in a curry house isn't a top, long-term career option once your average subcontinent cook discovers what else is on offer in the UK?

Enam, I appreciate all you've done for the subcontinent's food in the UK but special pleading for a relaxation of Britain's "tough" immigration laws? Puh-lease!
5

DunCraig,

Brisbane 09/01/2008 02:58:22
There's a bunch of good cooks lazing around on Bondi, at the moment; you can have them! They can't play cricket so they've gotta be good for something
6

james 1st,

hamilton 09/01/2008 04:03:42
try training people to serve your industry instead of whinging
7

Jim A,

09/01/2008 06:20:47
#5 Duncraig, Lol, good one mate
8

Cappo Del Monte,

09/01/2008 07:07:54
Now aint it funny, he holds this party/ dinner/lunch at the most recent place to be busted for employing illegal immigrants. sort of says it all really.
As for most Europeans not knowing how to use spices etc, tend to disagree there.
Training people in the art wouldnt be difficult, or is it just they dont want to train other people?
9

dba,

Edinburgh 09/01/2008 07:36:22
This situation has been simmering for years and yet the Restauranteurs Associations have done NOTHING to train British youngsters to sub-continental standards. A number of colleges with catering courses have approached ehtnic restsurants of many countries, over the years, to see if they could devise courses... zero response.

For years the'skilled and experienced' card has been played to get literally thousands of 'relatives' and friends into the UK with worlk permits.

One also is forced to ponder the simple fact that workers in ethnic restaurants seem to have to work for poor wages, in many cases forced to live in a 'company flat' the cost of which is deducted from their minimum wages.

I have been honoured by the friendship of many in the Bangladeshi ccommunity in Edinburgh - most of them lowly paid workers in the kitches and they are wonderful people - working hard, living quyietly and far, far too often being not very well paid... and I see many, many rsetaurant owners... all driving extremely expensive (mostly German) cars. Locally trained chefs would expect to be paid the professional EEC rate for the job...therein lies the kernel of the spice...sorry problem!
10

carrottop,

09/01/2008 07:57:43
Agree with 6# why dont they train up their own chefs or is it just yet another ploy for easy immigration?
11

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/01/2008 08:10:09
If former football players can be trained to become Michelin starred chefs....
12

Boggle fey the Bog,

09/01/2008 08:30:13
Perhaps if these employers paid a proper wage, not the NMW, they would not have to import thier cousins,brothers etc from the sub-continent.

To suggets that no one other than coloured caucasians are capable of throwing together a load of owld meat an' veg wi' some fiery spices to cover the quality of the main ingredients really is a bit 'rich'.

If he wants to know how to use herbs and spices he should visit, an Italian, Greek, Hungarian, Turkish, Morrocan, or even one of Gordon Ramsays places.

The man is talking curdled lahsi and methinks all he is seeng is the prospect of his P&L accounts taking a nose dive.

Given the state of the nations health ALL curry hooses should carry a government health warning and be subjected to a 200% health tax!!!! ;-), especially on the cruddy beer they sell!!!
13

ddmc,

09/01/2008 08:34:44
#10 is right, this is not PC & is racist, who is he to say i cannot make a decent curry.

Absolute Bhalti, they should make this £$%^ employ some YTS'ers ! & give something back to the society he lives in. Or are they unwilling to work for the slave wages he would offer an Asian, is that the real reason he wants to employ immigrants ?
14

sam the god,

09/01/2008 08:35:00
well looks like there will be more arranged marriages just to get the right staff
15

Iain's,

09/01/2008 08:59:18
The food in most curry places in the UK is of a very low standard.
The food is just pre-cooked sauces in which they cook chicken, lamb and prawns. Stew, stew stew and more stew.
There are good restaurants but they are few and far between.
Home cooking is the only way you can get a good curry.

The real complaint here is that the cheap labour supply is going to dry up.

16

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09/01/2008 09:02:06
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17

Media 1,

cape town 09/01/2008 09:26:05
No need to change the immigration laws. The influx of Eastern European people to the UK will result in Bulgarian, Polish, Russian, Romanian and other similar national restaurants in good time, and the curry craze will die down...Besides, curry restaurants in Scotland are not that good, which is why you seldom see Asian people eating in them. Nevertheless, I dont think the immigration laws should be changed to cater for a few asian chefs!
Britain needs to begin closing its doors to Asian people, thus making it MUCH MUCH tougher for them to gain entry. The same rules must apply to Eastern Europeans. Let people, but be darn choosy about who you ultimately allow in..
18

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 09/01/2008 09:35:09
So why is the GREAT CHIEFTAN O' THE PUDDIN RACE giving this chancer credibility.
19

Farmernot,

oan ma traictor 09/01/2008 09:39:50
#8 is spot on.......Brittania Spice was busted recently for harbouring illegal immigrants in its kitchen......so it really rich the guy pleading with Eck for a relaxation of the rules...........has Wendy got an opinion on this or is she still gagged ?????
20

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/01/2008 09:40:45

#19 That's no way to talk about the aptly named George Grubb!
21

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 09/01/2008 09:52:49
#21 Who is taking the photo opportunity?
22

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 09/01/2008 10:00:42
"Mr Salmond pledged to take the anxieties of the industry to the Home Office." That quote from the Herald article on the same subject. I'm afraid the FM will be unable to Curry favour with the Home Office


23

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/01/2008 10:21:17
#23

Tsk, Mercutio, aren't you happy he's eating in a place called Britannia?
24

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 09/01/2008 10:32:54
"Most Europeans don't have a clue about the spices we use or the way we prepare dishes." Now let's guess what would happen if this were put in terms of "Most (insert race of choice) are clueless about making mince and tatties" and stand back while the howls of outrage commence. This is both racist and another excuse for even more lax immigration standards which could be avoided if the restaurant owners were to employ peoples of all nationalities!
25

Scythia,

Glasgow 09/01/2008 10:41:53
Not being a particular fan of their cuisine anyway( in fact in my experience it isn't that popular in Europe or US ), but here in Scotland it is pretty awful stuff , and have no interest in partaking of it, period.

I smell a hint of racism coming from this spokesperson. Imagine a Scots resturanteur expressing a shortage of Scots waiting staff. The CRE , and the multitude of taxpayer funded "race equality" groups and the PC commisars would be feasting on it (pardon the pun). It seems reverse racism is perfectly acceptable in this brave new multiculturally diverse land we "elected" the politicians to adorn us with.

Mr Salmond for all his undoubted political, intellectual, strategic and oratory skills is a very naive and therefore dangerious politician.

It was Westminster that applied this new points quota for limiting 3rd world unskilled labour , against the expressed wishes and lobbying of his party. Some people might see some irony in this, being a "national" party, I wonder whose nation this might become under his lot, there will certainly be a lot more curry shops around.
26

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 09/01/2008 10:43:20
#24 Strangely enough you choose to confuse my surprise at Mr Salmond's normally astute political sense deserting him on this occasion with other motives and that is PATHIAetic.
27

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 09/01/2008 10:44:59
And you must admit the photo is an absolute STOATER.
28

Gothic Rose,

09/01/2008 11:02:24
10# :)))
29

Dave Scott,

St Albans 09/01/2008 11:12:48
Bob Dylan: "Leopard-skin pillbox hat"

Well, I see you got your brand new leopard-skin pill-box hat
Yes, I see you got your brand new leopard-skin pill-box hat
Well, you must tell me, baby
How your head feels under somethin' like that
Under your brand new leopard-skin pill-box hat

Well, you look so pretty in it
Honey, can I jump on it sometime?
Yes, I just wanna see
If it's really that expensive kind
You know it balances on your head
Just like a mattress balances
On a bottle of wine
Your brand new leopard-skin pill-box hat ...

30

Dave Scott,

St Albans 09/01/2008 11:15:40
Salmon looks like an usherette at a Bangalore night club ... err, as I imagine one to look like, never having been to one you understand.
31

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/01/2008 11:27:26
#27 Whoah feller don't go flinging around accusations of PATHIAetic-ness.

Yes, it's an excellent foto.

Might I suggest you up your vitamin b intake to avoid prolonged humour bypassedness becoming a permanent blowhardish feature?

32

McMicrogal,

09/01/2008 11:32:41
Having briefly worked for one of Edinburgh's respected Indian restauranteurs, I can only say that I hope this will protect many of the chefs that he and his like import from back home. These talented chefs are brought over here, placed in accommodation supplied by their employers that is not necessarily in the greatest of states. They are paid (poorly) cash in hand and are afraid to seek medical help as they are not paying national insurance and fear deportation if they pitch up at a doctors surgery. They are tempted here with promises that their wives will be brought to join them after an appropriate trial period - this rarely happens. After a time they have rent taken from their already paltry wages.

it is no way to treat fellow human beings, but nobody will blow the whistle as they are too tied into this abusive system.
33

Guga II,

Rockall 09/01/2008 11:35:12
#10 Dave. Spot on, this is racist. There are plenty of people around that are capable of making curries and, in any event, what's to stop them doing what any other business would do and train people? This is just an excuse to try and get round immigration laws.

While we're at it, the standard of cooking in the majority of these so-called Asian restaurants is abysmal. I can make a better curry myself.
34

pwd,

Hawick 09/01/2008 11:46:52
31 Dave Scott

Yes, and his shape suggests he'd be best staying away from curry houses.
35

Covert Action,

09/01/2008 12:01:39
Most Indian food in restaurants is disgusting anyway - just slops warmed up for drunks.
Roll on the East European restaurants.
36

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 09/01/2008 12:22:19
More tripe!

Most of the indigenous unemployed could make excellent curry dishes. Even I can.
37

william c,

Blantyre 09/01/2008 12:24:54
If only the politians, ie. numpty Mr Salmon and the Labour riff raff, would read these common sense comments and stop the easy immigration for people we do not need
38

Allan(handofgod137),

09/01/2008 12:48:13
Hope the police are going to do something about his racist remarks!
39

bluehead,

edinburgh 09/01/2008 12:57:15
let us hope there is a world shortage of curry,the smell is diabolical,it is enough to make you spey up your corn flakes
a useful sugestion would to try a plate of haggis,mince and tatties or beans on toast followed with a large glass of malted whisky---now that's living!!!
40

Joe,

Harthill Rim 09/01/2008 13:06:58
They could always train-up a few Scottish
chefs? FWIW... Looks like Salmond is taking advantage of 'all you can eat'?
A one fork majority?
41

Silence of the Yams,

09/01/2008 13:53:44
Shortage of Mussies is Scotland, that'll be the day.
42

E.A. Swimmer,

just out of the loo 09/01/2008 14:58:46
#16 (Ian's) is correct ........
The food is just pre-cooked sauces in which they cook chicken, lamb and prawns. Stew, stew stew and more stew.

One of the local establishments here uses just the one breed of vivid red/maroon stuff - rather like the carcinogenic brew about which there was a health scare some time ago - regardless of the 'dish' actually ordered.

However, there is potential for a strain (sic) on the NHS here, should a shortage of chefs ensue, which appears to have been overlooked in the comments thus far. There could well be an increase in people visiting their GPs suffering from constipation. I accept that this could be compensated by a reduction in cases of food poisoning.

Bring back Madhur Jaffrey!
43

The Fly Fifer,

Fife 09/01/2008 15:16:50
Relax teh laws on imigration, ok lets look at this bring in one curry chef, and his wife, and his father ....... they bring in therio relations, soon one curry chef is a village ......... all getting NHS, social housing yeh right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
44

Mark Yannone,

Phoenix Arizona USA 09/01/2008 19:37:09
#32 (OscarMacApfel), I almost lost it when I read your comment, mate. Many of the other comments were hilarious too, but yours was the one I had to cartoon, here: http://themeanestmanalive.blogspot.com/2008/01/mma-holistic-practitioner_09.html
45

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 09/01/2008 19:37:51
Most Europeans don't have a clue about the spices we use or the way dishes are prepared. I take it we're too stupid to learn then? Bloody cheek. Can you imagine the stooshie if a European chef said they couldn't rain up a South Asian worker? And I thought the Tikka Masala was a British invention anyway. We can't be that dumb.
46

snoozyowl,

Wales 09/01/2008 20:08:28
It has been obvious for years that this is just another immigration opportunity. Making a curry is not some kind of mystical experience, it's just a different kind of cooking. We can do that ourselves if we need to. No need to import specialists.
47

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09/01/2008 20:28:52
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48

boudica,

Glasgow 09/01/2008 21:09:39
The development of the curry industry in Britain has been peculiarly Anglo-Asian such that many people brandish ‘authenticity’ as if it were the Holy Grail. According to Camellia Panjabi “Ninety nine per cent of Indians do not have a tandoor and so neither Tandoori Chicken nor Naan are part of India’s middle class cuisine. This is even so in the Punjab, although some villages have communal tandoors where rotis can be baked. Ninety five per cent of Indians don’t know what a vindaloo, jhal farezi or, for that matter, a Madras curry is”. so that blows Hasan Chowdhurys claims that he needs Asian trained Chefs as pure Curreerap....Personally I think the " Asians for Independance " are now telling Wee Eck it is payback time for their Support and now Wee Eck is running ( No he aint suffering from Delhi belly ...Yet) to the Home Office for special dispensation for all Curry Cooks ...even though they have to train in the UK how to make it ...
49

Conan the Librarian™,

09/01/2008 23:11:24
Ryba I Frytki and broon sauce.Yum yum.
50

Kipling,

09/01/2008 23:47:02
In the old days the phrase was "Let's go an' eat an Indian". That's why they've run out of staff. They've all bin eaten.
51

weeshooie1,

Australia 10/01/2008 00:04:53
DunCraig #5,

:o) x 10
52

Arrow,

edinburgh 10/01/2008 00:43:26
anyone can russle up a curry from scratch. to suggest that only Asians can make a curry is nonsense. why can the Asian community take on our youngsters and teach them. it is a bit like a Scot going to India or Pakistan to open a fish and chip shop and saying that they can only employ white Scots. see how far that would get you. a bit like trying to open a church in Saudi!!!
53

tomi,

10/01/2008 02:02:22
Scotland seems happy enough to have immigrants from european and other countries, why not those from the asan subcontinent?
We accepted them before, why stop now?
54

ash123,

edinburgh 10/01/2008 18:57:21
Being a 'British-born Asian' I was very interested to read all comments as a result of this article.

To be honest most of the points raised are valid to a certain extent.

But before one starts to feel sorry for bangladeshi/indian origin community who work in the restaurant industry - they in my experience are very good @ exagerating and being economical with the truth.

I work full-time, have a young family & after having paid for the mortgage, bills, weekly food shopping, petrol & transport to name but a few - do not seem to have much left @ end of month.

Whereas the so called 'exploited illegal immigrants' are able to 'afford' to either build/acquire/buy land/property back home on their so called 'poor wages' as well as being able to afford to pay @ least 10grand to smugglers to bring over yet another member of the extended family as well as being able to afford the services of the local sauna's!

If you were earning @ least £200 net cash weekly (starting from porter position) with free accomodation & food included (includes b'fast, lunch & tea)would you be complaining?

As for fear of using the NHS system incase they are caught by immigration is rubbish! Only the past year have doctor's surgery tightened up their procedures by asking for passport ID. All the ones I know (literally all of UK) are benefiting from the NHS system by not even paying any TAX!

How does comments no 8 & 10 know that Britannia Spice was 'busted' for employing illegal immigrants - as I've not heard that thro' the grapevine!

As for the commercialised curries that restaurants produce has all been geared for the western palate which would explain Y some asians don't even know what a vindaloo or madras is.

Lastly a proper curry takes @ least 1 hour to cook from start to finish! and even mines is stewed, stewed & stewed!!
55

scully,

Colchester 11/01/2008 14:59:51


With a good recipe book you can cook anything.and if you cant read you can get the recipe on tape or video,s.. Or Just watch Ready Steady Cook. I have got some great recipes from there. And I can cook a mean curry. You only need the right incredients, Your nationanaly has got nothing to do with anything, you can either cook or you cant.

 

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