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Published Date: 18 June 2009
WHITE people are being stopped by police to prevent accusations of racial bias because of the higher number of Asian people being detained under terrorism laws, it emerged yesterday.
Lord Carlile, the independent reviewer of the UK's anti– terrorist laws, said police were stopping people against whom they had no evidence to provide "racial balance" to their figures. He said the practice should cease, even if it results in an "eth
nic imbalance" in the statistics.

He also attacked the blanket use by some police of Section 44 of the Terrorism Act, which permits people being stopped without suspicion in a defined geographical area. It is used across London on a continuous basis, resulting in up to 10,000 stops a month in the city.

Lord Carlile, a QC and Liberal Democrat peer, said the provision should be used only on a borough basis or to cover instances such as a protest at Heathrow Airport.

He said: "It is totally wrong for any person to be stopped in order to produce a racial balance in the Section 44 statistics. There is ample anecdotal evidence this is happening. I can well understand the concerns of the police that they should be free from allegations of prejudice, but it is not a good use of precious resources if they waste them on self-evidently unmerited searches. It is also an invasion of the civil liberties of the person who has been stopped, simply to 'balance' the statistics.

"If, for example, 50 blonde women are stopped who fall nowhere near any intelligence-led terrorism profile, it's a gross invasion of the civil liberties of those 50 blonde women."

Lord Carlile said Section 44 powers continued to be used "very sparingly" in Scotland.

The Metropolitan Police, which carries out 90 per cent of the searches, was specifically criticised and has announced a review of how it uses the law.

Officers in England and Wales used the powers to search more than 124,000 people last year, three times the level of 40,000 in 2007. Around 1 per cent of searches led to an arrest.

Praising the close working relationships between security services north of the Border, Lord Carlile said he had received no complaints about the use of the Terrorism Act last year. He said: "There exists in Scottish police forces a very high level of expertise on terrorism matters, and a real sense of purpose.

"There remains a very impressive level of partnership between police and coastal communities in parts of Scotland, with reference to any terrorism threat from incoming boats."

His annual review of anti- terror laws suggests white people may be being stopped more often to balance the proportionately larger number of Asians stopped because they fit intelligence profiles of possible terror suspects.

The report said that the number of searches carried out under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 could be halved without harming national security.

Lord Carlile added: "I repeat my mantra that terrorism- related powers should be used only for terrorism-related purposes; otherwise their credibility is severely damaged."

Shadow security minister Baroness Pauline Neville-Jones said unwarranted use of the powers could damage community relations.

She added: "The government needs to make absolutely sure that anti-terrorism powers are used proportionately and only for terror-related purposes."

Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne said: "We must row back from random and excessive use of stop and search and reach out to the communities we most rely on for intelligence in the fight against terrorism."

Metropolitan Police assistant commissioner John Yates said: "Powers to stop and search are an important part of tackling terrorism, but should always be used in a proportionate way by well-trained and briefed officers. We ask our officers to apply common sense and discretion in the way that they police – this will also include a requirement to fully explain the reasons for stop and search."

A Home Office spokesman defended use of the powers, saying: "As part of a structured anti-terrorist strategy, the powers help to deter terrorist activity by creating a hostile environment for would-be terrorists to operate in."





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  • Last Updated: 17 June 2009 9:49 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

john z,

edinburgh 18/06/2009 00:30:18
If it's people with one eye who are usually terrorists, then that is who they need to target. If it is usually people with glasses, then that is who they should target.

QED, IF it is usually young asian Muslim males who are terrorists, then that is who they should target.

2

truthsleuth,

18/06/2009 00:31:56
This is tantamount to racism.

The police have a reasonable justification for stopping Asian people the major source/risk comes from that continent.

If there was a rampaging pink elephant on a killing spree you would not stop green butterflies just to be fair to pink elephants.

The country has gone pc mad

How much extra is this 'equality' treatment costing us.

3

Teofilio Cubillas,

18/06/2009 00:36:43
The poor sods really can't win. If the figures demonstrated that the police were only stopping Asian males you can bet your bottom dollar that the lib-dems would be united in their hand-wringing condemnation of the police's 'racist' targetting.

4

Evia,

18/06/2009 01:00:27
This is racism and it is the indigenous white native of our country that is discriminated against. We are made to suffer in order that the PC brigade won't be accused of racism.

We have far too many homegrown criminals in this country without having more admitted. Our immigration laws are still not strict enough and far too many are in the country. The radicals coming into the country are inciting othes too violence.
5

Evia,

18/06/2009 01:09:38
Sorry about typo in last sentence. I should have said to.
6

Brianwci,

18/06/2009 01:35:28
OIL AND GAS: £20BILLION SHORTFALL

Marvellous what you can do with numbers. Kuwait, Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc can be transformed from desert economies (i.e. have to build a modern civilisation from scratch....goats the main resource)but Scotland, above all other countries in the world discovers Oil and gas and yet somehow or other would not have enough to live on for most of the years Oil has been flowing!

Many words spring to mind, none of them printable.

The sooner the Independence debate gets going so we can nail this sh*te into the ground the better. This is absolutely lunacy.

No, worse, it's downright LIES!!!

I comment here because we are not allowed to challenge this 'filth' in the original article.



7

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 18/06/2009 06:15:10
Even if this figures about a £20 billion debt accumulated over 27 years was correct, after all the Unionists have never lied about the oil have they,(McCrone Report) this number is meaningless without comparing it to our current state of affairs of having remained in the UK and having a share of the UK debt that currently stands close to a Trillion.

I would hope the Scottish Government would use this £20 billion figure as the starting point for what should be our share of the UK debt when we leave. Thanks Murphy.

The timing of this shows that it is a poorly thought out attempt to deflect the public's attention from the GERS figures set to be released today. These will show that had Scotland been on its own in 2007/2008 we would be sitting on a massive surplus.
8

Media at One,

18/06/2009 06:58:07
The way I see it is like this -
If all the suicide bombers, London bombers, 9/11 bombers and Bali bombers were little green men with red hair, it would make sense to search ALL little green men with red hair. Why search a little white man with black hair when the threat has never come from that ethnic group?
Muslim people will need to deal with the searches until THEY sort out their own sh!t. It isnt racism to stop a Muslim as opposed to a white person, it is realism and best they deal with it.
The PC brigade can f@#k right off - IN THIS instance, Muslims deserve to be searched, end of story!
9

James (1),

18/06/2009 07:17:13
#8 Can you please stop trying to apply common sense to a problem. What you fail to appreciate is this is about being seen to be fair. We all know it is actually just trying to appease the PC brigade and we ALL know which group are most likely to be the threat. However it is about illusion. We are now in a time where we have to defend what we do. So we can stop a little old 90 year old granny and search her bag. Then put a tick in the "stopped a white person" list.
10

Media at One,

18/06/2009 07:31:00
James - All about illusion?
Tell that to the families of the people who got blown to smitherines in London and New York.
No James, illusion is different, this is reality!
Muslims are the threat and they must be stopped until they sort their sh!t out.
11

Captain Fantastic,

Anywhere but here 18/06/2009 07:37:31
#8, #9 You are wrong. Islam is a world religion, not a racial one. Bosnians murdered by Serbs in the 90's were largely white muslims. Richard Reid, the so-called Shoe Bomber, is white. Nicky Reilly, the Exeter bomber, is a radicalised muslim white man. There are many others. We should not be lulled into thinking only asians are bombers. This is what Al Quaeda and its adherents want. Stopping and searching asians only will only increase their sense of victimhood thus feeding the radical frenzy. The terrorist leaders are not stupid. So if stopping and searching a 90 year old granny is the price we pay, then it is a price worth paying.
12

Unimpressed one,

18/06/2009 08:02:42
And people wonder why the BNP get votes?
13

redcliffe62,

18/06/2009 08:15:36
the asian bombers do fit a stereotype, there may be others but the police cannot search everyone.
if visiting norwegian nuns bombed cities then we would check them, but they do not, it is asian lads 18 to 30 and as such they need to be put on notice they may be checked as they are part of that culture. sorry but that is the way it is. or rather it should be in PC pommyland.
14

Media at One,

18/06/2009 08:24:13
NOT all Muslims are terrorist, but of all the terrorists, MOST are Muslim -
Terrorism is not confined to Islam, as we have seen in Ireland and the Basque region.
But when it comes to the threat of TERRORISM in Britain, that threat comes from Islam and if we need put up with being accused of being racially insensitive its a price worth paying to prevent another London bombing.
15

Media at One,

18/06/2009 08:32:56
Unimpressed One - Ponder this you fool!
If the world if Islam offered the same respect for other cultures as others do for them, perhaps we would not have this problem. It is ok for Islam to tell Westerners they are not permitted to wear shorts or other clothing that will bare their skin, yet for the West to demand that head scarves be banned, results in absolute mayhem.
When a woman calls her Teddybear Muhammed and crowds of people arrive outside the court holding effigees that say death to westerners and hang her for offending Islam, we have a problem with a religion and a people who cannot adopt reasoned thinking.
So perhaps you should forget the BNP and the people who vote for them and focus on the fact that Islam is in many ways a disgrace.
Again, not all Muslims are terrorists, but of all the terrorists that threat Britian, most are Muslim - those are the facts end of story.
16

Media at One,

18/06/2009 08:54:12
And now that the police are stopping white people to balance the searches. Do we wait a few months and then balance it again by asking them to start stopping Chinese people so that white people dont get offended. And then after a few weeks we should start stopping black people and Eskimo's. By then we will have stopped checking Muslim people and then BABOOOOM! And what will PC have done for us then?
17

The Ayrshire Bard,

18/06/2009 09:03:54
Ask the people of Omagh if all terrorists are Muslim and you will get a very different answer. I have spent several hours chatting to a Muslim who drove my son to his day-centre and he is a lovely guy. All he wants to do is get on with his life and bring his family up in peace. His children moan when he suggests they go to Pakistan to visit his family and ask why they can't go to Disney for a change. You just can't pigeon hole everybody because of their race or religion.
18

Unimpressed one,

18/06/2009 09:07:13
#16, #17, Islam and respect don't sit comfortably. Islam was founded by a paedophile misogynist. The resulting 'religion' is stuck with 14th century values and backward views. Fact - there is an extremist Islamic group hellbent on destroying Western civilisation. I think its pri*cks like you who fuel BNP support.
19

Kenny A,

18/06/2009 09:28:27
19 7th centuary I thinks.

Personaly I am sorry to see a religion such as Islam heading into the gutter when it had a fair bit to offer, around the 14th centuary funnily enough.

All terrorists are not Muslim or coloured but brining in quotas is nuts. One of my best friends is massive, bearded and totaly scary, he looks the part of something that could rip the tentacles of the alien, never been hassled by the feds, wonder why? easy targets, pure fear?

It is not what you look like that should be targeted it is what you do. another example of PC gone daft.



20

Media at One,

18/06/2009 09:58:11
Unimpressed - I am a Liberal Democrat voter, but only because Labour are so completely out of sorts at the moment.
In terms of the BNP, I can only imagine they are gaining support from people who feel disallusioned with life in Britain. You and I dont walk down the street in a completely Asian community as the only white people. We dont deal with drugs and crime and a hundred thousand illegal immigrants from North Africa in our suburbs, so no need for us to look at the BNP option.
But for some people, their perception is different! But that is a whole other debate.
In terms of this debate, I would like Muslims searched. NOT BECAUSE I believe all Muslims are terrorists, but because chances are the next terror attack will also be an Islamic fundamentalist attack.
21

Rosscobhoy,

18/06/2009 10:14:33
#15

Changed days from when the terrorism in Britain actually came from the British State.
22

Media at One,

18/06/2009 10:16:39
Trying to change the reality of the situation by aimlessly searching white people is ridiculous.
Remember the people who said it would be better if schools did NOT keep tally of the score in a game of football. That way the kids dont need to deal with losing. Only problem was that the kids who won knew they had won and the kids who lost knewthey had lost.
So search white people if you like, but we all know where the real threat comes from.
23

Media at One,

18/06/2009 10:20:34
Rossco

Absolutely - And back then it was the same. You heard an Irish accent on the bus and then saw the lad get off and accidently leave his bag behind.

It would not have been unusual for someone to get nervous in that instance.

Today the threat is Islamic, so let's concentrat on the threat.
24

Willie Mor,

18/06/2009 10:28:33
This is what happens when you give Draconian powers to anybody. They get abused, and abused and abused.

Arresting people under suspicion of terrorism just to make up statistics is the thin end of an ever thickening web.

Six in the head or beaten to death because you were walking near a demonstration when returning home is another example.

Kill and abuse without constraint.

No wonder the government now want nacht und nabel legislation.
25

drunken proffet,

Tassy 18/06/2009 10:35:43
Well the argument is that if the police stop all Muslims, then all Scots should be stopped as well. However if they only stop suspicious looking Muslims and do not stop suspicious looking Scots then the Muslim community have a real complaint. Get real, give the guys a break, unless of course your average Muslim teenager is as pure as the driven snow compared with the home grown variety. I am sure life was a lot easier when you only had Catholics and Protestants.
26

Media at One,

18/06/2009 10:40:37
The other alternative is to search nobody for fear of offending them.
Take the police of the streets for fear that they may get it wrong.
Stop the police from getting involved at demonstrations encase they hurt someone in the heat of the moment.
Remove all teachers from schools encase they offend a young trouble stirrer.
Give all prisoners the right to 150 000 pound cells with satellite television and ensuite bathrooms encase we restrict their human rights.
OR
Get real!!
27

Rob Royston,

Bishopbriggs 18/06/2009 10:44:42
This whole article is a nonsense. Lord Carlile (sic) makes comments that seem to accept that stopping Asians without any reason, bar their race, is fine, but finds it wrong for Whites to be stopped.

Very few Asians are terrorists, in a lot of incidents blamed on Asian suicide bombers, I have seen very litle evidence that it exists.

It would make interesting reading to list the known proven cases of shootings and bombings in this country and see what race the perpetrators were. Maybe we would find that the police actions are in line with the results.
28

Miss H,

18/06/2009 11:01:23
1 Fact is in Scotland the only people who have been convicted of terrorist offences are white.

That does not mean that terrorism is confined to the white population however.
29

Miss H,

18/06/2009 11:02:26
2 Do they? How many people have been convicted of terrorist offences in Scotland and what colour are they?
30

Miss H,

18/06/2009 11:03:43
9 Given that all of the people convicted of committing terrorist offences in Scotland are white are you saying that all white people are potential terrorists?

Because as a white person I find that somewhat offensive.
31

Miss H,

18/06/2009 11:05:16
28 We know how many people in Scotland have been convicted of terrorist offences and we know what colour they are.

As I have already said however that does not make all white people terrorists and such a suggestion is offensive.
32

Media at One,

18/06/2009 11:21:46
The threat is Muslim - End of story!
33

paulr,

edinburgh 18/06/2009 11:47:23
I have experienced this personally at Heathrow, while waiting for a flight going on holiday to jamaica my wife and I were questioned apparently quite casually by 2 plain clothes police oficers, they spent 15 minutes talking to us then went straight to a man dressed in arab apparel, flowing robes and such. they spoke to him for 10 minutes and left.
As we went through the door to board the plane, some 20 minutes later, the man suddenly vanished, snatched by officers behind the exit door and hustled away down a back corridor to some other location.
It was obvious that we had been questioned so that the police did not appear to be targeting any particular ethnic group.
34

Calum Crubag,

18/06/2009 12:43:21
Ceartainly, in most of Britain, terrorists have always been white. Even today in Ireland, there's still a lot of violence between people who share the same language, accent, surnames, island but different superstitions. Then there was the BNP nailbomber in London a few years ago. There's also far right groups who engage in low-level terror against their 'enemies'.

Nutters all of them.
35

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18/06/2009 12:46:10
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36

Miss H,

18/06/2009 13:13:03
33 Is Adam Busby Jr a Muslim then? He is the latest person to be convicted of a terrorist offence in Scotland.

Don't get me wrong - I am all for catching terrorists but since most of them are not Muslim and are white it makes no sense simply to target dark skinned people who look like they might be Muslim.

37

Observer,,

Glasgow 18/06/2009 13:16:00
I think Lord Carlile would be beter off focusing on the fact that the Police aren't actually catching anyone with these ridiculous and draconian policies. Your average terrorist doesn't actually walk about with a smoking bomb and an ''I love Osama Bin Laden'' t shirt on under his robes. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that these policies are effective -they do however pander to the Daily Mail vote who wants to know that something is ''being done'' and quite likes it when it happens to muslims regardless of whether they are terrorists ot just walking down the street minding their own business.
38

Alan B,

18/06/2009 13:20:13
Most of this is the met and nothing to do with scotland.
39

Alan B,

18/06/2009 13:22:10
The scotsman heading should be "London ..... "

The met have always been a shambles.
40

Observer,,

Glasgow 18/06/2009 13:29:17
Anyone remember the old SUS laws ? I think they provoked a few riots in their time. Thank goodness Britian's muslim community is so law abiding. Well done to them despite ridiculous provocations.
41

Ifan Har,

Scotland 18/06/2009 15:54:29
7/7 and other suicide bombing attempts have been carried out by Muslims who are either indigenous settlers from Asia, Africa or their descendents!

The hatred of the white skin becomes more pronounced with each succeeding generation born here!

Suicide bombings are not part of the European cultural heritage. Stopping whites is just another pointless oppression that has been imposed on this dispossessed indigenous race group!
42

Media at One,

18/06/2009 16:28:33
ifan har - The hatred of white skin is universal. Whites are the most hated race on the planet, but without them there is nothing!
Other ethnic groups may have people within their communities who hate whites but they all love white stuff like cars, planes, trains, electricity, computers, phones, televisions etc
Without the white man the only people left to innovate and invent are the Oriental people, but they pretty much like to stick to themselves so the rest would be screwed.
Ok seriously now, that was banter but it does ring of some truth. White people have made massive contributions to the history and continued survival of the human race and the white man stepped on the moon first, landed a probe on mars and will be the first to live and work in space as residents.
Will they still stop whites in space to look for bombs? Or will they wait for the arrival of the first Muslims? And they will arrive because if the white man doesnt share his innovation it will be called racism.
43

Tartan Viking,

18/06/2009 19:01:59
If the police stop any white person they should take them straight to hospital, because the chances are they are very ill. The only "white" person I've ever seen was my uncle, when a tin of white emulsion fell on his head when he was painting the ceiling.

Nobody is white.....we are all a different shade of 'beige-ness', a bit like the colour card you get for Dulux, appropriately enough.

Of course I exclude that David Dickenson fellow. He is most definately orange. Mind you, so was Jimmy Calderwood.
44

Tartan Viking,

18/06/2009 19:07:34
Come to think of it...Tommy Sheridan was an interesting colour. Don't know if it was a mixture of too many afternoons in dodgy sun tan parlours (allegedly), or red rage at being caught.
45

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

18/06/2009 19:39:29
43...Ah yes and you of course have regularly visited Uranus...or you should...cos its a territory you are completely au fait with....you are obviously seriously unaware that black scientists are employed by NASA etc etc etc...

Aprille Ericksson Jackson - aerospace engineer
Tony Bruins - systems engineer/integrator
Jennifer Murray - biomedicall engineer
John Hines - Sensor 2000 program manager

Only some..and not forgetting Dr Woodrow Whitlow who was the Deputy Director of NASA JFK up until 2005..he is now the Director of the NASA John H Glenn Research Centre in Ohio...

These are, as I stated, only some of the black people involved with NASA...but of course we'll never see the likes of them get to live in space...

You really are an unapologetic racist...cards on the table...nothing more to say...

"InFrAsTrUcTuRe....sQwUaK".......!
46

Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 18/06/2009 20:55:04
Why oh why do democracies throttle themselves with "political correctness (PC)"?! I object to the police wasting their own manpower (and let's not be so bloody pedantic as to stoop to "personpower"), their time, and taxpayers' money investigating people they know to be harmless, purely on PC grounds. In doing so they are increasing the chance that real criminals will escape, to inflict harm on everyone else, regardless of race, religion, etc.
And besides this, while I value the enormous contributions made by minorities economically, and in enlivening our society, I also believe that countries exist partly because of core heritages, that should be safeguarded. I like a cosmopolitan society UP TO A POINT, but a small country cannot afford to be too cosmopolitan - because that will destroy its very nature - its heart and soul. But nowadays no one is honest - we are hemmed in, choked by political correctness. In a nutshell, I am an atheist - but I like to hear church bells in the old hearts of my towns, not the sound of the muezzin calling the faithful to prayers - just as I don't want to see prefabricated concrete high rise hotels destroying these districts. And I really don't give a damn if anyone thinks this is not politically correct.
47

Observer,,

Glasgow 18/06/2009 21:22:26
47 Speak for yourself. I thoroughly enjoy living in a cosmopolitan city. I enjoy walking past the central mosque and reading ths sign asking God to bless the city and bring it peace and prosperity. Scottish muslims are not my enmy and neither are they yours.

Al Quida and it's offshoots are a tiny band of nutters and I am talking in global terms. To assume that every muslim is a terrorist or a terrorist sympathiser is an affront to a decent and civilised society.
48

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 18/06/2009 21:44:46
Ross Lydall

Grow up! This is tabloid reporting.
49

Ifan Har,

Scotland 19/06/2009 14:24:40
Post #46 Horrible cankers@ Cyber Shabeen

You omit to mention that these Black people you list were only able to achieve these things because of the inventiveness of the white race that was responsible for introducing the Blacks in Africa to the concept of a written language, a monetry system, schools, hospitals, judiciary, the sciences, the concept of governance(a concept that they have yet to master)!!!! Circa 400BC Pericles of Ancient Athens conceived the idea of democracy, he was not an African but a product of tolerant, literate Pagan Europe!

 

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