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Passionate about the planet since the age of 9



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Published Date: 16 May 2008
SIR Jonathon Porritt has spent the past four decades campaigning passionately about the environment.
The former teacher was a member of the fledgling Green Party in the 1970s, when it was called the Ecology Party.

Today, he is the chairman of the UK Sustainable Development Commission – an independent think tank that advises the government on issues to do with the environment.

He was appointed to the post in 2000 by the then prime minister, Tony Blair, but clashed with him over the decision to press ahead with plans to develop more nuclear power stations.

He is an eminent writer, broadcaster and commentator.

He also writes a blog, which he recently used to voiced his strong arguments against Boris Johnson becoming mayor of London.

He is also programme director of Forum for the Future, the UK's leading sustainable development charity. He was formerly director of Friends of the Earth, a trustee of WWF UK and co-chair of the Green Party, of which he is still a member.

He was educated at Eton and Magdalen College, Oxford. He has two daughters.

His first book, Seeing Green, was published in 1984.

More recently, he wrote Capitalism: As If the World Matters.

He has been in St Andrews this week taking part in a panel discussion with academics about the challenges of sustainable development.

Q & A: SIR JONATHON PORRITT

What are four things anyone can do to help the planet?

The first is the hardest, which is to do some research into your own carbon footprint.

There are lots of really good websites where you can do this. Then you can begin to think how to reduce that carbon dioxide.

Reduce car use if you have got a car. Certainly reduce it for journeys of less than two miles, where walking is good for you.

Try to reduce your impact on the planet in terms of the food you buy.

Think about the impact of your holidays.

Have you ever measured your carbon footprint? How did you do?

Yes, reasonably well. My carbon footprint is very good because I don't have a car and our house is very well insulated.

It's then blown to pieces by the amount of flying I do. I do fly a lot and I report that on my blog on a regular basis. I have to fly. I can't really avoid it. I don't pretend it's not a problem. It is.

Who do you think has the most potential to influence behaviour towards the environment?

Much as it galls me to say it, if Jeremy Clarkson became a passionate supporter of the low-carbon economy, he would be so much more powerful than me.

I also think faith groups are very powerful influences on people's lives.

We also have to work with the politicians, of course.

What do you feel when you see a wind turbine or a wind farm?

I find them beautiful. I think the design of them is powerful and elegant. The beauty of them on the landscape can be astonishing.

Aesthetically, they are very pleasing; practically, I like them, but also symbolically they are very important, because they speak to a different kind of world. Every time I see them my heart lifts a little. They are very important expressions of hope.

What is your favourite green gadget?

My bicycle; actually both of them. I have one in Cheltenham where I live that I use to get to the station.

Then I have another in London that I leave at Paddington.

Do you drive a car?

No.

Do you still have a sense of horror about Boris (Johnson] being mayor of London, as you said on your blog?

I'm unhappy about Boris as the mayor of London, but he won the election. He persuaded people he was the right person for the job.

We have got to admire him for the way he has done that, and it was a very substantial campaign.

I quite admire Ken Livingstone for the way he reacted as well.

I hope all my worst fears about Boris are proved to be groundless. He does at least ride a bike to work. I have occasionally overtaken him on my bike. He doesn't go very fast.

What environmental event would make your year?

Barack Obama being elected president of the United States in November, and that he would then be able to bring America back into a sense of leadership in the world today.

We can't build a sustainable world without America. It's just not possible.

The fact that we have suffered eight years under George Bush holding the world back from everything that matters has been a tragedy for humankind.

That is my big hope for 2008.

Radiohead recently asked fans to take public transport to their concerts. Do you think it's good for pop groups to get involved in the environment?

Yes. I'm much less cynical about that than a lot of people are. I think a lot of what some musicians do today is fantastic.

I'm a huge fan of Peter Gabriel. Years ago, he was talking about global responsibility. Right from that day on, I have always thought musicians have a very powerful inspirational role.

I'm particularly struck by Thom Yorke. (And] Annie Lennox has just brought out a fantastic new CD which is so powerful about the state of the world.

Do you ever think you have become too close to the government in your role as adviser, compared to the days you campaigned with the Green Party?

Yes, I do. I don't feel it all the time because then I would stop what I'm doing.

I love what I'm doing and I feel, on balance, it's the best place to be, and I know that we are having an effect. That doesn't stop me going along with a lot of things I'm not very confident about. The pace of change is not fast enough. I get very grumpy about the slowness of it all.

On balance, I feel like I'm in the right place now. I have got another year with the (UK Sustainable Development] Commission, and I shall use that to maximum effect.

Were you always very aware of the environment, even when you were growing up?

I was always very interested in wildlife and natural history. I started subscribing to a magazine called Wildlife when I was about nine. It went a bit when I got a bit older. Other things became more interesting.

Then I didn't get back into it until I was 18 and went to live in New Zealand for a few years. While I was there, I got interested in forestry and that sort of thing.

When I came back from New Zealand and went to Oxford, I messed around with environmental ideas in terms of reading books.

Who or what had the biggest influence on shaping your attitude to the environment?

The Ecologist magazine that I started reading in the early 1970s was just such an eye-opener. That led to me joining the Ecology Party (now the Green Party].

Why did you train to become a barrister but then become an English teacher?

I failed to become a lawyer. I went to the College of Law in London and lasted for three months at the most, at which point I decided I really hated it and, more importantly, the people with whom I was doing it.

I couldn't believe the obsessive focus on money and how much they were going to earn when they became big wheeler-dealer lawyers.

I left there and went to the office of the Inner London Education Authority the next day. In those days, there were such chronic shortages in London schools that they would take teachers without any training whatsoever.

So I graduated in French and German but became an English and drama teacher. I did go on to get a postgraduate qualification. I had a teacher who was about 4ft 3in. She was really tiny and taught us about voice control.

She could use her voice to bring order. In my shouty days, I would just shout at people and then lose my voice after two days.

What was the Ecology Party like before it became the Green Party?

I joined the Ecology Party in 1974. It was very small. I was about the 74th member. Local meetings in London were bizarre occasions. They were slightly eccentric, to say the least.

You are well known for your anti-nuclear energy views. What are your main arguments against it?

The Sustainable Development Commission spent the best part of 18 months doing a lot of research bringing together a great deal of evidence that had emerged.

We said there are lots of advantages about nuclear, which there are. The safety record of nuclear is pretty good. It's a very low carbon source of energy, there's no denying it.

But then we looked at the disadvantages. The first was the nuclear waste issue, which we still believe has not been cracked. There's just no solution to that.

The second issue is what's known as lock-in. If you pump all that money into that sort of power station, you become dependent on energy systems of that kind. We think the energy systems of the future will be much more decentralised.

The third issue is around proliferation. I don't believe you can draw a line between nuclear reactors for civil reasons and for use for weapons of war. If you tell people it's OK to have nuclear reactors, on what basis can you tell countries like Iran not to have them?

The last reason is around the security issues and supplies. Is the uranium there in enough quantities, and how vulnerable is it to terrorist attack? In today's world, we are all very nervous about them being a very, very strong target.

Our opinion is that the UK does not need a new generation of nuclear reactors to meet the requirements of renewables.

Is the UK government making a big mistake by pursuing more nuclear power?

I don't believe it will be pursued. If it is, it will be making a big mistake. It will be too risky in terms of things like liability costs and too expensive.

How about the Scottish Government? Has Alex Salmond got the right idea – ruling out nuclear power?

The Scottish Government has the advantage of being extremely clear about this. We welcome that.

They have set themselves some very ambitious targets. The government in Scotland has been very clear that means some extremely big decisions around renewable energy.

If nuclear is not the answer, what is?

The answer to a sustainable energy future is efficiency first, first, first. Efficiency is just unbelievably important.

If you can reduce energy need by 30 or 40 per cent, you will then need to find less energy. We bang on about that.

Then there are renewables. Then the last thing is heat. We have to find better ways of using the heat that's currently released in the generation process. Huge amounts are produced.

Then, at the bottom of the list, is that we have to put a lot of investment into carbon capture and storage.

Does wind power really have scope, considering it is an intermittent source of energy? Won't it always need to be backed up by fossil-fuel power stations?

It's complete nonsense. I'm amazed this myth still persists.

Of course it's an issue. If the wind's not blowing, that turbine isn't generating. But even if the wind isn't blowing in one area, it is in another area. You don't need fossil fuel back-up.


The full article contains 1955 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 15 May 2008 7:15 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Green Party
 
1

Kipling,

16/05/2008 00:45:18
My suspicions are that Osama Bin Laden tucked away in his mountain cave has a smaller carbon footprint than Sir Jonathon, with his air miles, and -- if the British & US government are to be believed -- a far greater influence.

Sir Jonathon mentions nothing about the grinding noise of the wind farm which suggests he does not live near them. Retrieving what we have lost in the environment is not just a matter of cutting down on emissions, it is also to do with eliminating light, noise pollution, and arbitrary industrial damage (roads, wind farms, etc.) the existence of which affects the natural world by creating man-made borders and unpredictable killing fields. Would he like to be caught up in a slicing machine on a clear blue breezy day?
2

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/05/2008 07:34:19
At last, the Hootsman features someone I've met and know well! JP is very pleasant person and does practise what he preaches. The flying is a fly in the ointment, of course, but he does plant trees so that's a step in the right direction.

Sadly, he was driven from the Green Party by jealous, intellectually challenged, socially inadequate, psychologically short-changed, numpties. A sad loss.

We need a lot of JPs!
3

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16/05/2008 07:36:14
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Unimpressed one,

16/05/2008 08:31:39
" Do you ever think you have become too close to the government in your role as adviser, compared to the days you campaigned with the Green Party?

Yes, I do."

And that's the nub of the problem. governments have taken on board the 'advice' of environmentalist pressure groups and we have all paid dearly for it. It started with the banning of DDT, a decision resulting in the deaths of millions. It has since been proved that DDT was nowhere near as damaging to the environment as the greens made out, but too late now. They have decimated prospects of new crop development in europe by their total obsession with vilifying GMOs. They have contributed to rain forest destruction and food shortages by promoting biofuels as a response to the 'probelm' of 'climate change'. Now they want to ensure that a modern industrial society depends on the intermitant generation of power form expensive and hopelessly inefficient windmills whilst consumers pay for this green dictat. It's time electorates demand that governments should not run public policy based on the shrill voices of groups who are neither accountable or elected. Poritt's agenda is no different from all the rest of the eco-luddite/socialist greens and his advice should be avoided like the plague.
5

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 16/05/2008 09:41:48
Porrit is the Establishment's answer to the environmental crisis - a sort of 'acceptable Green - Lite Version'.
All you need to know about Porrit is that his daddy is a Lord and former Governor General of New Zealand - and he went to a posh private school and straight into training as a barrister. He has about as much experience of real people's problems as Princess Margaret had. Og, and he charges about £1000 a day to 'speak' at an event.

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GlenB,

Skye 16/05/2008 10:53:53
I think his answer to the last question indicates the level of his grasp of reality - very little.

I wonder why anyone would take him seriously.
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11+failed,

the pans 16/05/2008 11:03:16
Pity J P still thinks like a 9 year old.
The facts are that standards of living are dependent on energy. Coal consumption is rising as it has done for the past 300 years, currently c.7%/A and oil for about 150 years, currently 5%/A. While reserves of oil are somewhat less than coal there is no prospect of much change in the next 20 years. There is not a major oil or coal producer without plans to cater for the expected increased demand.
8

Geomac 1,

Scotland 16/05/2008 11:27:38
LAST QUESTION
"Does wind power really have scope, considering it is an intermittent source of energy? Won't it always need to be backed up by fossil-fuel power stations?"
ANSWER
"It's complete nonsense. I'm amazed this myth still persists. Of course it's an issue. If the wind's not blowing, that turbine isn't generating. But even if the wind isn't blowing in one area, it is in another area. You don't need fossil fuel back-up."

This shows his complete ignorance and remoteness from reality (he seems to have the same grasp of pragmatism as a nine year old!) - even the BWEA don't make such stupid utterances and more. Perhaps he should read EoN's analysis of German wind energy where they state that around 70% power back up for wind is required from other sources!!
Has he ever thought about the utter waste of very expensive wind resources under this "wind will always blow somewhere" approach? It's bad enough when the capacity of a windmill is less than 70% in the base!
he's obviously a signed up member of the "let the lights go out" brigade!!

9

Geomac 1,

Kinross 16/05/2008 11:29:50
~2 rulesbutnot rulers - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - no more JPs. One withsuch a poor grasp of reality, not to mention total ignorance of power generation principles, is more than enough!!
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/05/2008 11:42:04
#5 Tweedmouth=badmouth.

What has his background to do with the validity of what he practices and preaches? Should we blame your rudeness on your parents, etc?

That you stoop so low as to use ad hominem argument demonstrates the paucity of your case.

JP is no saint, but his heart is in the right place. Where is yours?
11

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 16/05/2008 12:15:03
Some pretty loopy stuff from a guy who's got plenty of financial reasons to advocate "green" solutions. That's why he flies all over the place and on his own admission has screwed up his own carbon footprint. So if the rest of us have adequate reason to screw up our footprints he won't object? That's what I like about hypocrites in this field. Nothing. Do as I say, not as I do. Toddle off to lovely remote locations for conferences lasting for days on end absorbing mutual hot air and emitting their dreaded CO2 in vast amounts to do so. #8 is right - so if a large high-pressure weather system is slapped over the UK yes there will be large areas where there is no generation and a smaller number of sites where power is being produced. So, the assumption is that if many people have the lights going out that's OK because elsewhere some people will have theirs on! Not to mention the backup requirements to smooth out uneven generation.

Then there's the "have your cake and eat it too" type of argument where s.g. Lewis is going to be a giant wind powerr resource but then some greenster somewhere barks on about damage to the delicate plant infrastructure or some other invention. Until now government has paid far too much attention to Green people of all descriptions including Jonathan Porritt with the added incentive that they can slap "green" taxes on to the existing power usage infrastructure and fail to protect UK consumers from greedy and inefficient fuel providers because any rise in their prices enables a longer stop at the trough from increased tax revenue.

These people are dangerous for the economy of the UK and seem to have a hidden set of goals to ensure economic activity grinds to a halt in favour of some dewy-eyed nirvana where people grow their own crops and everyone walks to work. Sorry - we've passed that stage now. Let's be grown-ups and try to solve energy problems so that we can have some semblance of civilised living!
12

Unimpressed one,

16/05/2008 12:57:55
"JP is no saint, but his heart is in the right place."

It's not his heart that's in question it's his brain!

The old adage: if you're under the age of 20 and not an environmentalist you have no heart. If you're still an environmentalist after the age of 20 then you've no brain. Very apt.
13

Saoghal Beag,

16/05/2008 13:18:52
geomac, and what keeps the lights on when the nuclear plants are off line for yet more planned and unplanned maintainence? JP does not advocate wind as the one and only solution, only part of the overall portfolio. Diversified and dispersed generation is what he is advocating.
14

Saoghal Beag,

16/05/2008 13:21:38
tweedmouth, so you are saying that his father as govener of NZ was not real and that JP attended school with equally unreal individuals. he just doesn't share your background but does that honestly make him any less an individual.
15

Unimpressed one,

16/05/2008 13:39:00
"(S)o you are saying that his father as govener of NZ was not real and that JP attended school with equally unreal individuals. he just doesn't share your background but does that honestly make him any less an individual."

Nope. But there's certainly nothing in his background that suggests he's qualified to advise on matters of engineering or economics.
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GlenB,

16/05/2008 13:53:52
#13 "JP does not advocate wind as the one and only solution, only part of the overall portfolio. Diversified and dispersed generation is what he is advocating."

his answer to the question specifically about wind - "you don't need fossil fuel back up"

He is also against nuclear - so what does that leave us with.
Hydro - insufficient capacity, not enough rainfall or storage.Current hydro has a load factor of about 35%.
Tidal - intermittent but predictable not always available at peak demand.
A whole host of micro systems are unlikely to fill the gap.

Oh and "what keeps the lights on when the nuclear is off line" - coal, oil and gas - definitely not wind.
17

Saoghal Beag,

16/05/2008 14:05:06
GlenB, but the lights have staid on this past 18 months during which nuclear has been our most unreliable energy source. The fact is that it is an unnecessary and unaffordable option.

Unimpressed one, he is looking at the wider picture and well qualified to discuss sustainable development issues, which is what he is doing, not advising on specific engineering solutions, nor economics. Though if ever there was a group so removed from reality it is the economists.
18

Black Beard,

16/05/2008 18:08:11
Why is it that every time one of these people opens his/her mouth they cause more trouble than there was before?

ethanol- diminished food supplies.
wind farms- Lol I won't even go there.
ddt- malaria
fluorescent bulbs- contain mercury
solar power- batteries

It seems like environmentalists are bad for the environment.
19

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/05/2008 18:39:56
#18 Only bad environmentalists are bad for the environment.

Plenty of us agree that windfarms, etc have no future. Personally I advocate submarine turbines anchored in ocean currents and await relevant experiments with great interest.

Those who doubt JP should read his book on Capitalism. Excellent.
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Saoghal Beag,

16/05/2008 21:15:27
nor is it allowing comment on it's revamp where it witters on about its reupatation for high quality journalism....

 

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