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Published Date: 08 May 2009
BRITISH Muslims are more likely to identify themselves with the UK than the rest of the population, according to a new survey.
The poll, by Gallup, found that 77 per cent of Muslims said they identified with the UK compared to just 50 per cent of the general public.

The findings show that in their confidence in government, financial insitutions, and the electoral process,
Muslims also outscored the wider populace, with confidence in the military the only area where they scored lower.

The survey, conducted alongside interfaith body, the Coexist Foundation, saw 500 British Muslims interviewed face-to-face, with a telephone poll of 1,000 across the UK.

Whereas just 36 per cent of the general public regarded Muslims as loyal to Britain, 82 per cent of Muslims considered themselves so.

The report, part of an international survey, further showed that while 25 per cent of the general public agreed that people with different religious practices than theirs threaten their way of life, just 3 per cent of British Muslims agreed.

Osama Saeed, chief executive of the Scottish-Islamic Foundation, said he suspected Scots Muslims held even stronger feelings of identity towards the UK, and said the views of non-Muslims in the survey are a consequence of irresponsible media coverage.

"This can only be put down to the sometimes hysterical reporting of sections of the media regarding these issues," he said.

Professor Mona Siddiqui, director of the Centre for the Study of Islam at the University of Glasgow, said most British Muslims did not experience difficulty with their identities.





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  • Last Updated: 07 May 2009 9:36 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Starance,

UK 08/05/2009 00:51:44

Okie, this article and many of the others are completely misguiding and I'm offended.

Roughly how many were interviewed? 0.000001% of the Muslim and British population? Now, that is the official figure for them all?

Ridiculous.


firstly, Islam, it comes before their identities and jobs, that is why Islam has been introduced to the workplace and many other walks of life.

Yer, if a lot of Muslims were soo patriotic, they would live by our standards, and not the ones from the Arab world!
2

GONNYNODEATHAT,

Glasgow 08/05/2009 01:27:34
Muslims trust Britain more than most. (The Enemy from within) While in London a few weeks ago I was told by a Pakistani on the tube after he heard my accent to get back to my own country. Go Figure !!
3

sam the god,

08/05/2009 08:11:45
#2

I hope you told him to foreign office

4

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/05/2009 08:17:44
Muslims trust Britain more than most.

Of course they do, they are protected more than most in these countries that make up the UK.

"Osama Saeed, chief executive of the Scottish-Islamic Foundation, said he suspected Scots Muslims held even stronger feelings of identity towards the UK"

Says it all really. Scots muslims identifying with the UK, not Scotland. Where as, a Scots Scotsperson may be "British" on paper but identifies him/herself with Scotland.

Talk about a confused message.
5

Fairfax,

08/05/2009 08:43:02
It's a very small sample, and Gallup has little experience of choosing representative samples from this group. Less prosaically, the form chosen for the question can have a great effect. Here's the excellent "Yes, Minister" view:

Humphrey:You know what happens: nice young lady comes up to you. Obviously you want to create a good impression, you don’t want to look a fool, do you? So she starts asking you some questions: “Mr. Woolley, are you worried about the number of young people without jobs?”
Bernard:Yes
Humphrey:”Are you worried about the rise in crime among teenagers?”
Bernard:Yes
Humphrey:”Do you think there is a lack of discipline in our Comprehensive schools?”
Bernard:Yes
Humphrey:”Do you think young people welcome some authority and leadership in their lives?”
Bernard:Yes
Humphrey:”Do you think they respond to a challenge?”
Bernard:Yes
Humphrey:”Would you be in favour of reintroducing National Service?”
Bernard:Oh…well, I suppose I might be.
Humphrey:”Yes or no?”
Bernard:Yes
Humphrey:Of course you would, Bernard. After all you told her you can’t say no to that. So they don’t mention the first five questions and they publish the last one.
Bernard:Is that really what they do?
Humphrey:Well, not the reputable ones no, but there aren’t many of those. So alternatively the young lady can get the opposite result.
Bernard:How?
Humphrey:”Mr. Woolley, are you worried about the danger of war?”
Bernard:Yes
Humphrey:”Are you worried about the growth of armaments?”
Bernard:Yes
Humphrey:”Do you think there is a danger in giving young people guns and teaching them how to kill?”
Bernard:Yes
Humphrey:”Do you think it is wrong to force people to take up arms against their will?”
Bernard:Yes
Humphrey:”Would you oppose the reintroduction of National Service?”
Bernard:Yes
Humphrey:There you are, you see Bernard. The perfect balanced sample.
6

Selgovae,

08/05/2009 09:02:59
#4 Dave From Barra

"Scots muslims identifying with the UK, not Scotland."

The survey didn't specifically ask respondents about the UK or Scotland. The questions used "this country", and the publishers have assumed that respondents in Britain were referring to Britain.
7

James (1),

08/05/2009 09:10:15
This same poll had 100% of the poll (500 persons) as reported in the Guardian saying "Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance towards homosexual acts compared to their counterparts in France and Germany, according to a survey published today

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality

Now is this just another Muslim pick and choose which part of Britain we will integrate with?
8

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/05/2009 09:18:08
Selgovae @6

Yes, that's sort of my point with regards a confused message. Here we have an organistation calling itself "Scottish-Islamic Foundation" but refering to the UK.

Why not a singular "British-Islamic Foundation"? Why seperate the organisations with regards the home countries?
9

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/05/2009 09:18:46
Selgovae @6

Anyway, I get your point.
10

Selgovae,

08/05/2009 09:19:48
The survey compares the responses of Muslims with those of the "general public". But it doesn't compare the responses of believers of other religions. As fewer than 50% of survey respondents in the UK, Germany and France describe themselves as religious*, you have to question whether the survey results reflect the views of Muslims or the views of religious believers. For example, only 50% of UK respondents identify with their country (whatever that means), but 70% of Muslims do. What about churchgoing Christians?

* In response to the question "Does religion play an important part in your daily life?"
11

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/05/2009 09:38:32
#4 Dave From Barra

42% of non whites in Scotland identify themselves as Scottish, while only 5% of non whites in England identify themselves as English.

http://www.economist.com/world/britain/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13611699
12

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/05/2009 09:51:14
11 Kampunghighlander

Does that mean the Scots are more welcoming as a home nation? Make the "non whites" feel more at home and give them a sense of indentity?

Interesting stat indeed.
13

GONNYNODEATHAT,

Glasgow 08/05/2009 10:07:48
#7 gay rights campaigner James Rennie - was convicted of sex attacks on children. On one of the BIGGEST stories this year "Vilest of the vile" this Rag does not allow comments.
14

GONNYNODEATHAT,

Glasgow 08/05/2009 10:13:53
#7 The heading should have read. Britain does not Trust most Muslims. Mind you, you wouldnt need to waste any money on surveys to know this fact.
15

Fairfax,

08/05/2009 10:35:37
Dave (11): "Does that mean the Scots are more welcoming as a home nation? Make the "non whites" feel more at home and give them a sense of indentity?"

I suspect there's little difference in the welcome, but a great difference in demographics. The Scottish immigrant population is growing rapidly, but is still fairly small, with the result that it's that much harder for ethnic minorities to form isolated groups. In England, however, it is much easier for new immigrants to join their existing ethnic community, which greatly impedes integration, since the ethnic minority population of England is fairly large. For comparison, the estimated non-white population of England is now larger than the total population of Scotland, whilst the school-age population of London is now more than 50% ethnic minority.
16

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/05/2009 11:11:50
Fairfax @15

Ah, so the immigrants are forced to integrate with the resident population in Scotland because we don't have the same existing ethnic communities that England has? And therefore achieve a better sense of inclusion insofar as they identify with Scotland more readily?

You have possibly just come across the answer to many a racial/aparthied problem in the UK. Well done to you sir.
17

Svalin,

Scotland 08/05/2009 14:08:55
Their trust in Britain is not that surprising in view of the fact that Britain is now a Muslim country!

The constructive genocide of the indigenous population of Britain will be complete with the death of the last white Briton circa 100 years from now!

There is no road back from extinction, no wonder the Muslims are satisfied!
18

Geomac 1,

Kinross 08/05/2009 14:52:16
Da*n it!! We've blown it!
19

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08/05/2009 17:58:51
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20

Griffe,

08/05/2009 19:36:23
This should have been published on April 1st!
21

Tartan Viking,

08/05/2009 20:19:56
#19.

Would that be Uma Thurman?

Now I'd give her my loyalty in an instance.

22

Johnny Islam,

MIdlands, where else? 09/05/2009 18:38:04
Sigh... we just can’t win, can we? I love my country and according to the poll, so do most other British muslims.... but alas! “A true Muslim's first loyalty is to the Umma -19.” It really is startling that you, as a non-muslim, have no reservations about speaking on behalf of the Muslim community.

The validity of the poll was called into question by Starance (1) because “0.00001% of muslims were interviewed.” So the concept of statistical sampling does not apply to muslims? Is it really hard to accept that the phrase “British Muslim” is not an oxymoron? BigJock casts doubt on the “British” Gallup organisation. This was a poll commissioned by the most respected name in scientific polling. Surely they know a bit more about methodology than you do, brilliant as you are!

With respect to homosexuality, James uses the emotive term “tolerance,” rather than “acceptability” and concluded that our inability to reconcile homosexuality with religion represents our unwillingness to integrate. The irony of course is that vilifying us for viewing something as immoral is itself intolerant. And many Whites I’m sure take issue with homosexuality but no one would dare suggest that they need to integrate. Im sorry, but holding an opinion that does not conform to wider societal expectancies does not equate to an unwillingness to integrate - your logic is flawed. But hey, youre talking about muslims here so wildly inaccurate and speculative assertions aren’t a big deal!

And Clever Dave! Why do we gravitate to our own little communities? I accepted a placement in Macclesfield where the population is over 99% white. I was spat on, mugged in broad daylight, called a pa*ki every day. So maybe, just maybe, we feel safer in our own little communities. Bishop Nazir Ali made unsubstantiated claims about Whites being unwelcome in some Muslims areas but of course, the opposite is sooooo widespread, it’s hardly newsworthy!

I know Islamophobia is in vogue right now (but Islamophobia
23

Johnny Islam,

09/05/2009 18:41:03
I know Islamophobia is in vogue right now (but Islamophobia doesn’t exist, right?), but please just try to accept the possibility that we consider ourselves British. Sure, we Muslims (like your grandparents) view abortion and premarital sex as immoral, but that doesn’t mean we want to kill all adulterers or gays etc. We really are proud to be British! :-D
24

James (1),

09/05/2009 21:26:22
#23 The quote, repeat quote was from The Guardian. Not my words, theirs!
You are however right in that we are talkng about Muslim and depending on which day it is we get a different thing which upsets or shocks them.
What irritates me is that Muslims come here and then want to change the culture which attracted them in the first place. Muslims do not want to mix. They want to do their own thing and when that goes against the majority that is when the race card gets played and our liberal politician fall over themselves to accommodate minorities. When this is pointed out the person is called a racist. When in fact the person only wants to keep the status quo. The race card is used and abused.
Here is an observation and question, why is it that people who come to this country to live do not speak the language?
25

Johnny Islam,

11/05/2009 23:18:16
Hmm... don’t know where to begin, really...ure oversimplifying complex issues! First of all, immigrants come to this country to work; the fact that u believe they come here because theyre “attracted to the culture” is quite telling! Second, nobody wants to change “the culture”! Frankly, I don’t think you know what culture is...your observation that “muslims are doing their own thing” is extremely vague so I cant really comment – care to elaborate with some examples maybe?

I do appreciate however, your apprehension that the situation in this great country may one day reflect that of the mideast if were too lenient with foreigners! Im talking of course about the British and American workers in many parts of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain etc who can drink alcohol, fornicate and gamble with impunity, because theyre subject to a different law...its one law for the locals, another for the migrants! Also, with regards to disrespecting “culture,” I guess it would be horrible if Britain became the next Dubai - where migrants openly disregard local sensitivities (sex on the beach anyone?) – so yea, I do see your point

Your last observation has nothing to do with the article and reflects a common racist (oh no he didn’t *snaps fingers*) mind-set. When you say “people who come to this country,” im assuming youre talking about migrants in general, not just muslims. The thing is, if u read the poll, you’d see that those being questioned deem learning the local language as very important! It takes time to learn a new language... just because you encountered a pa*ki somewhere who couldn’t understand your particular accent, doesn’t mean that we all don’t want to learn the language. Stop using personal anecdotes to formulate generalisations...thats why polls were created :-D
26

James (1),

12/05/2009 08:09:04
#26 I don’t believe I am oversimplifying anything. If we approach the subject like a humming bird flitting from flower to flower then we can go under the guise of speaking about it but getting nowhere. I do not believe immigrants come here solely to work. That may be a reason but if they are here to do only that and try to carry on as if they were back home then they are trying to change the culture. Example being Sharia law.
When I said when people come to this country, why would you need to assume that I was talking about immigrants in general? I said people, which meant exactly that, people. Nothing to do with Muslims.
People deem language so important that there are some who have been here for many years that cannot speak the language. Let’s just call those people thick. However this has an impact on others when parents and children who come here cannot communicate because we have to give them special attention to get the message across. Visiting a place on holiday does not require you speak the language but coming to live in the country should be a condition of entry. That way we get people who can integrate instead of them being looked on as some kind of misfit.

 

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