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Muslim panel to focus on wearing of Islamic veils in UK



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Published Date: 19 July 2008
THE wearing of the Islamic veil is one of the issues to be examined by a panel of Muslim experts being set up by the government, it was announced yesterday.
Cambridge University has been commissioned to create an independent board of academic and theological experts.

It will include 20 leading Muslims and is expected to compile a report on Islamic beliefs in relation to life in modern Britain over the
coming academic year.

Hazel Blears, the Westminster Communities Secretary, announced the move as part of a new package to crack down on extremism and radicalisation.

She said: "It is not for government to dictate on matters of faith or religious teaching. But Muslim communities themselves have told us that stronger leadership is needed on what are often controversial issues."

A series of incidents have led to concerns that the wearing of the Islamic veil is one of the major barriers in community relations between Muslim and non-Muslim Britons.

Ms Blears also announced that young Muslims will be taught citizenship in mosque schools as part of an attempt to prevent extremism. Trials of the new lessons will begin at the start of the new term in September.

Sheikh Ibrahim Mogra, an imam with the Muslim Council of Britain, said the creation of the group had been driven by Muslims rather than the government.

He said: "We felt we needed something of this nature to help create a better structured approach to how we are educating our children. We feel our children need to be taught that they can be proud Muslims and proud young British people.

"Anything that helps to make our communities stronger should be welcomed provided it's not used to isolate, control or change what a community is."



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  • Last Updated: 18 July 2008 10:07 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Rufus T. Firefly,

19/07/2008 00:24:16
A further waste of taxes.
2

truthsleuth,

19/07/2008 01:14:11
How do you recognise anyone wearing a full veil(a mask)
It is illegal to have 'darkened glass in the windscreen of a car presumably one reason for this is identification of drivers commiting traffic offences.

Just how many special 'arrangements' etc are there going to be for Moslems before we wake up and state clearly if you wish to stay in the uk then you adopt our way of life

Who are these 'experts'


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19/07/2008 01:37:47
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19/07/2008 02:35:00
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Guga II,

Rockall 19/07/2008 02:58:41
#4. Better still a bucket.
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catgut,

pomona 19/07/2008 06:47:14
Is richard dawkins going to be on this group?

why are we wasting money on the ins and outs of stoneage tribal beliefs?
7

Anglofile,

19/07/2008 06:54:54
Yoo Hoo, I can see you.

Another nail in the coffin of "Britain".............notice, the word great is missing.

The "Burkah" Brigade are taking the p!ss.
8

Iain's,

19/07/2008 08:03:34
Let's all wear burkhas. And ban on showing the human body as that is also important to the looney Muslim fringe.
This will mean no TV, no art galleries, no pictures of Gordon Brown ( or anyone else).
It will not, of course change our society.
Women should not be allowed to leave the home alone or drive.
Divorce lawyers will be bankrupt etc.etc. And don't forget hand chopping and stoning.

It all makes as much sense as letting the Plymouth Brethern or Scientoligists run the Roman Catholic church.

All this nonsence seems to me just to be an attack on the Muslim religion and an attempt to devalue it by siding with extremists. I feel very sorry for the vast majority of normal faithful Muslims. Their religion is under attack from the P.C. brigade.
9

Mcsnagpile,

19/07/2008 09:05:43
The veil can be handy—we do not have to watch people picking their nose. In truth a veil makes a person a non person to be ignored. A girl covered in black is a nobody. Perhaps this is the correct way to go. A female should be neither seen nor heard. She should only be unveiled for propagation.
10

lulach mac gille coemgain,

19/07/2008 09:31:01
The wonder of religious clothing, symbolism and iconography - is it makes the categorisation and identification easy been opposing points of view and for warring factions - it’s all fine by me until ANY group attempts to force their beliefs on me then I would be forced to take reasonable action to defend MY beliefs !

Carry on !
11

Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 19/07/2008 10:24:15
The wearing of viels does not fit with our 1984 suveillance society we live in now, hence the bad feelings toward it.

If the viels are to be outlawed, by the same token, hooded tops will also have to be outlawed.

I can bet my bttom dollar that there are more "hoodies" perpetrating crimes on the streets that women wearing burkhas!
12

An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 19/07/2008 10:25:30
If the Islamic culture is so bloody important to there lives why did they not stay in an islamic country.

We are fools to allow this. Our liberal attitudes are being used as a weapon against us.

Can you imagine me going to Saudi Arabia and demanding my wife be allowed to drink because drinking is part of our culture in Scotland. Driving a Car. Wearing a Short Skirt becuase its part of our culture. My son being allowed to date a Saudi girl without a male guardian.

Going to Iran and demanding Gays be allowed to kiss in public as they are in the UK. Preach the bible in a public place. Build a church with Iranian government money.

No. We would never dream of behaving in such a manner. When in Rome do as the Romans.

Unless you are a muslim in which case the slogan should be

"When in Rome demand the Romans accept your culture for fear of offending you, and demand they change there culture to suit muslim ideals, insist on special rights and government representation, special clothing in work places, special schools and all funded by the romans"

It seems ridiculous when you write it down but here we are jumping through hoops.

Since when was the country divided into Muslims and non Muslims. It used to be British and non-British.
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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 19/07/2008 10:27:16
The concern should not be for how the Islamists dress but what they preach and what they intend.

Look to history and the actions of muslims in every country they have power.

Death, War and intollerance to all others who do not pay the submission taxes.
14

Douglas,

Bathgate 19/07/2008 12:17:26
If they don't want to be taken too seriously why not convene a muslin panel? When they're finished they can use it to make clootie dumplings.
15

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 19/07/2008 12:43:03
Just as long as we don't all have to go to madrassas for re-education, should be OK.
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Reiver,

London 19/07/2008 14:00:00
Would be nice if we could welcome immigrants and tell them this is how we do it and leave them to get on with it ... then the liberal left interferes.

From cars with Arabic writing for number plates on cars in London, to burkha style dress and water pipes at outdoor cafes - you cannot enjoy a drink of alcohol in most muslim cultures and woman are required to cover up - how long until they expect similar 'courtesies' here in Britain.

Britain has been losing its identity between the immigration and EU and if we continue to pander to the liberal left this loss will be complete within the next 25 years or so.

Is it just me who feels that we should close the mosques and cease tax payer funding for all religious schools and put the growing radical christian right back into their box?

In my view, for those who dislike how we live, let them return to or, go to where they feel offers such a better cultural experience than our staid, friendly and welcoming British culture.

For those who appreciate a stable, prosperous, friendly and welcoming environment, welcome to our country.
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19/07/2008 14:17:28
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An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 19/07/2008 15:56:07
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re #17 - I wish they would come and enjoy the UK or get lost.

I just spent the last hour with a very nice family from India and they love it hear becuase it is different. They have no intention to make it the same as back home.

Why are Islamists a special case? Becuase they vote Labour!!!
21

Bien E. Bien,

19/07/2008 17:44:41
All Muslims should be allowed to wear whatever they want, providing that they agree to stop setting off bombs on trains and trying to blow up airports.

This way everyone will be happy.
22

Joe Macdelta.,

19/07/2008 18:15:17
I work in a store, with a number of Moslems and Sikh's, I have found them to be both helpful and likeable people, and easy to get along with on a personal level. They do not try to convert anyone to their religions, religion is a personal thing with them, they are respectful of other peoples point of view, which is more than can be said for some of the postings on this site, I am ashamed of some of the comments.
23

The Daleks,

Longmen 20/07/2008 08:47:59
#23

Deluded and brainwashed people like you are one of the very reasons that our country is being stolen out from under our noses.

Pakistani's, for example, will always have a land to call their own. A culturally and ethnically homogeneous place where their unique gene pool and way of life will be protected. So will most of the other immigrant groups flooding into the UK. We on the other hand have nowhere but here, and once our land and place of refuge is gone, it's gone forever. So are we.
24

jimyburns,

Glasgow 20/07/2008 13:58:44
we need to be really simpathetic about diversity. Islam is getting a hard time just now and we need to be comitted to diversity in a multicultural society.People who fail to realize that Islam has just as much rights as anyone else needs to think about who they are.The Labour party fully embraces diversity in the modern world people who dont accept that are just living in the past
25

Joe Macdelta.,

20/07/2008 16:47:21
#24 What about the millions of britons and their decendants who colonised half the world, should they all come home, its a very small world now.
26

Evia,

20/07/2008 17:38:27
I have lived beside Muslims who didn't wear veils, nor did they see the need to wear them. There is nothing in the Qur'an that says they must and this is just a way of men trying to dominate women. There is only a requirement to dress modestly and the women who follow Islam, and dress modestly, without covering up their faces, could teach some other women a thing or two about modesty. Many women in western dress look like tarts, with tops that only just cover them, leving half of their breasts hanging out.

I totally disagree with the wearing of veils and other face coverings because, in the interests of security, we should be able to identify people. The other thing is that conversation is difficult, particularly if the other party is a bit deaf. Muffled sounds coming from behind a face covering do not allow proper conversation
27

Fanling,

Switzerland 20/07/2008 21:02:38
"She [Hazel Blears] said ... It is not for government to dictate on matters of faith or religious teaching. But Muslim communities themselves have told us that stronger leadership is needed on what are often controversial issues."

Weasel words. Strong leadership ought to come from governments on matters such as this. If elected governments cannot, or will not, take a stance on an issue which clearly upsets the majority of its citizens then it is failing them.

Check out France and the Netherlands on contemporary action on this very subject. The government of the UK has a clear duty to the majority of its citizens, not some - any - minority group interest. Muslims are creepingly seeking favours at every political level. And apparently getting them from cringing politicians.

But what does the deserving majority get? Another bloody vapid "commission of experts" to further undermine a society that is fast losing its way. Pathetic.

#25 jimyburns,Glasgow + #23/26 Joe Macdelta
You are talking b0llocks. You will no doubt dismiss that, but have a look at #24 (The Daleks) to understand what I mean. Your issues are quite clear, but they are not the issues of the majority. Be absolutely clear on that.











 

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