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Published Date: 05 October 2008
UK MINISTERS are planning to spend up to £12bn on a system that would track, tag and store the internet history, e-mail records and telephone calls of every person in Britain, it was claimed last night.
The proposal, which officials claim is vital to fight terrorism and organised crime, would entail installing hundreds of hidden devices to tap into communications on the internet and via mobile phone providers. A national database would be created
to store the information.

A first instalment of £1bn has already been allocated to the Government's central intelligence agency GCHQ to finance the first stage of the controversial project, which will involve testing the process on two of the country's largest communications providers, rumoured to be BT and Vodafone.

While officials claim comprehensive monitoring of all private communication is vital to protect the public from terrorists and fight organised crime networks, it is likely that any attempt to implement widespread live monitoring would attract fierce opposition from human rights and liberty groups.

Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: "Any suggestion of the Government using existing powers to intercept communications data without public discussion is going to sound extremely sinister."

There have also been fears voiced concerning security issues about maintaining such a large database.

MI5 currently conducts limited e-mail and website surveillance, but still requires permission from the Home Secretary on a case-by-case basis to carry out the checks. If the new proposals are implemented, the intercepts would be comprehensive and automatic.

The Home Office said no formal decision had been taken and said it "did not recognise" the £12bn price tag being put on the system in some quarters. But sources said officials had made clear that ministers had agreed "in principle" to the programme.

Further details of the new plan will be unveiled next month in the Queen's Speech.

Last year it was estimated that 57 billion text messages were sent in the UK alone, up from a mere one billion in 1999.

Meanwhile, the number of broadband internet connections has grown from just 330,000 in 2001 to 18 million in 2007.

And each day three billion e-mails are sent – 35,000 every second. Security experts, ministers and police know that among all this electronic noise, terrorists posing a serious risk to national security are hiding and sharing information on where to strike next.

The problem for the security services is that the data is almost impossible to track unless they have clear information about where to look.



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  • Last Updated: 05 October 2008 12:36 AM
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1

drunken proffet,

Tassy 05/10/2008 01:19:30
As I read this, they are going to store the details of all communication transmissions, but will be unable to read them due to complaints from human rights and liberty groups. I believe basic intelligence is going to the dogs.
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 02:21:47



And then All Files Go Missing!

YES! Another 'Data Storage Lost' News Item!

Soo! 'Stick this post, in your first penny Spent' on your,...

.."plan to spend £12bn' to track all e-mails and phone calls"

Hitler all over again! forget about the,....

..... "vital to fight terrorism "

A non-truth quote, for the real intentions, for the evils of complete control, over us all.



3

terry osser,

morden 05/10/2008 06:15:29
10 billion here 20 billion olympics 20 billion crossrail 20 billion id cards 20 billion nhs computer where is the money coming from
4

Guga II,

Rockall 05/10/2008 06:19:37
Another example of the Stalinist, totalitarian, control freak government of Maggie Broon and the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party.
5

Samcafe,

Glasgow 05/10/2008 06:40:07
Does this not remind you of those great times when your office announces that it will be going paper free and all files are to be stored electronically. After 6 months you start getting requests to reduce what you are storing because of the cost of storing and backing up the data.............so you start to keep paper files of the stuff you cannot store electronically
6

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05/10/2008 08:52:50
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7

it has always been allan,

05/10/2008 09:15:06
As an ex Stasi member I offer my services, to join my brothers in arms.
The Socalist republic of UK is ready for the final putsch.

As for you number 3 your comments are recorded.
I should change your identity pronto.

8

GM,

05/10/2008 09:36:53
Examples from e-mails that will immediately be flagged to MI6 and your house being put under 24 hour surveillance with a half-chance you will be shot 5 times in the head at close range whilst running for your train -


"yeh, the party was great - what a blast"

"God that girl is dynamite"

"your present went down a bomb, thanks very much"

etc

etc

etc
9

GM,

05/10/2008 09:38:05
anyone care to establish that this is a really fantastic move and should be included in our list of "union dividend"?
10

Joe Macdelta.,

05/10/2008 09:49:04
The police state is reality, things are getting worse, I am glad I dont have too meny years ahead of me.
11

Unimpressed one,

05/10/2008 09:50:13
Given this government's past record on installing massive IT projects, primarily related to the NHS, the chances of it getting this latest piece of stupidity up and running are about as high as Boris Johnston sha*gging Ken Livingstone.
12

Scythia,

Alba 05/10/2008 09:53:21
Makes "1984" seem like a benign fairytale.
13

Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 05/10/2008 10:09:10
Anyone who actually supports Labour any more is just simply a moron.

Look, if you are a Labour supporter, please don't be offended at the above comment, but seek help.

Visit http://www.cultinformation.org.uk/home.html

>>CIC is concerned about the use of deceptive and manipulative methods used by cults to recruit and indoctrinate unsuspecting members of society.

CIC believes that these cult methods present a threat to the well-being of the individual and the family.<<

You've been manipulated and deceived into supporting this cult - its time to be free.
14

aljok.23,

the world 05/10/2008 10:19:42
They're heeere.
Throw the technology away and bring back the bees.
15

brownlie,

05/10/2008 10:30:55
9 GM

That is already happening. Is that some-one at your door??
16

Marian,

05/10/2008 10:32:11
Yet another example of the totalitarian state mentality of New Labour as our civil liberties are eroded further.
17

Allan(handofgod137),

05/10/2008 11:51:53
If they have this sort of money spare, why not use it to give the council workers decent pay rises or cut taxes?
18

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 05/10/2008 13:18:12
Don't you have privacy laws and legislation in the UK and whatever happened to the concept of human rights?

This is an intrusive ploy by your government to get ALL information on ALL UK residents so that the government can dip into it at will and use it for their own nefarious purposes.

Certainly, if there are terroristic emails or threats to your national security such surveillance is possibly allowable but this all-encompassing proposed legislation is INSANE.

George Orwell predicated a dictatorial state in Britain and his prescient warning seems to be coming to fruition.
19

Brian Hill,

05/10/2008 14:05:57
Delighted to see I'm not the only one who thinks this idea is not only barking but highly dangerous.

Amazingly it's coming, not from the right wing nutters of the Thatcher cabinet but from a so called Labour cabinet.
20

Scotfree,

Erskine 05/10/2008 18:15:12
Over 80% of all emails sent are junk emails. Are we going to spend 21billion to save these emails? The web is expanding so fast that their is doubt over the abilty to create sufficient URLs but the UKs contribution is to save all the junk emails ever sent, a volume which is increasing near exponetially so 21billion will soon be 40billion and so on.
21

it has always been allan,

05/10/2008 18:22:14
all details will be forwarded to advertising agencies for a consideration in a brown envelope.

you can arrange to lose the laptop or leave it by an open window like the MI5 who favour employing people with different sexual preferences.
22

Joe Macdelta.,

05/10/2008 18:28:41
#19 You only have human rights in this country A. if you belong to an ethnic minority, B. if you happen to be a prisoner, C.if you are gay, D. you are A,B and C, otherwise forget it.
23

Douglas,

Bathgate 05/10/2008 19:28:11
Try diverting the money to basic education in the first instance. That way at least there may be something worth reading.

In the meantime: Choirboy, organ, back door, Mandelson.
24

John PM,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 22:32:31
What a sick disgusting joke. Hello Big Brother Doubleplusgood this isn't!
25

John PM,

Edinburgh 05/10/2008 22:40:17
#25

You're wrong about the motivation though it does happen. It's not about terrorism though because the independence movement is non-violent. MI5 bug the SNP because they see independence as a threat to the economy of the United Kingdom which of course it is.

Without our Oil Britain would no longer be in the G8 and without Scotland the resulting state would probably lose it's seat at the UN security council.

Independence is logical for us. The Brits won't like it but it will still happen. Let them waste their time and money bugging us if they like, it won't make a bit of difference.

Big brothering our emails will hopefully show the public that Britgov cannot be trusted.
26

muddypaws,

05/10/2008 22:53:45

aye dave,
and do think your card is not already marked?
27

Padraig,

06/10/2008 00:48:15
It's time - for a General Election before these Stalinists do even more harm to the people it is supposed to be representing.
28

Rickie,

06/10/2008 09:43:32
24 years late but got there in the end eh!

Apart from the obvious issues with this even being discussed, how long do you think it would be before everyones phone/email/everything details would end up on ebay?

That, and IT security pro's (the real ones not the talkers) will have a great and rewarding career with terrorists and organised crime to circumvent the systems.
29

Alan B,

06/10/2008 10:13:12
£12 billion for this. Countless more for Id cards.

And they cannot deliver a decent train service with fast trains between our cities. 12 billion would do quite nicely to deliver a high speed train from scotland to london with access to the channel tunnel.
30

JCA REID,

Annan 06/10/2008 16:03:17
nice one!! Brown says he wants 12billion to help small businesses & this little enterprise is going to cost......yep you've got it....12billion!!
31

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 07/10/2008 01:01:52
#MI5 bug the SNP because they see independence as a threat to the economy of the United Kingdom which of course it is.

Whereas a thinking Scotsman would see a thriving independent Scots economy as benefiting the English, particularly in the North with increased trade and commerce.

 

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