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MPs scrap IVF children's 'right to father'



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Published Date: 21 May 2008
THE right to a father for children born after fertility treatment was dramatically dropped by MPs last night, after hours of impassioned debate in the Commons.


THE right to a father for children born after fertility treatment was dramatically dropped by MPs last night, after hours of impassioned debate in the Commons.

The government won its case for scrapping the requirement for IVF clinics to cons
ider a woman's access to a father for a potential child.

With strong views crossing party boundaries, MPs had been given a free vote on the issue.

But the government imposed a three-line whip, ensuring that many more Labour MPs came out to back its preferences in the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill.

For the first time in nearly two decades, MPs were also voting on a major bill which could change the term limits for abortion.

Alex Salmond, the First Minister, who is still an MP, made a rare visit to the House of Commons to vote in favour of restricting women's access to abortion from 24 weeks to 20 weeks.

Traditionalists had wanted to retain the onus on fertility clinics to consider whether a child would have access to a father when considering women for IVF treatment.

But the requirement was axed by 292 votes to 217 amid concerns it discriminates against single women and lesbian couples.

Instead, the government wanted to see clinics to consider the right to "supportive parenting".

Iain Duncan Smith, the former Conservative leader and one of the main champions of maintaining the right to a father, told MPs: "Taking it away … will be as though we are saying to those couples, particularly in the heterosexual world, that this is not an issue, that fathers are not important."

Mr Duncan Smith, who has led a major study into social breakdown since rejoining the back-benches, said it was "utter nonsense" to suggest it was discriminatory.

Children without fathers were more likely to fail in school, develop drug addiction and have serious alcohol problems, he said.

The government's case was "siding wholly on the aspect of the rights of the adult" when the "paramount" consideration should be the rights of the child.

"All we are saying is 'take consideration of the need of a child for a father' not 'if you don't have a father you will never get treatment'.

"It's only considering it."

His amendment to retain the right to a father was lost by 75 votes.

Labour's Geraldine Smith had agreed with Mr Duncan Smith, adding: "Is there any wonder people think politicians are out of touch with ordinary people when we have debates such as this?" She stressed that lesbian couples could still give their children access to a father figure, such as a grandfather or male relative.

Dawn Primarolo, the health minister, argued that reinstating the need for a father would be discriminatory as it would "create an additional hurdle" for lesbian couples and single women.

It was "wholly inappropriate" to retain the "additional discriminatory burden" following the decisions to allow civil partnerships and adoption by gay couples.

The legislation was "fair, it offers equitable access and it recognises the complexities of the Britain we live in today", she added.

Evan Harris, the Liberal Democrats' science spokesman, said it was a "ridiculous" allegation that the bill was an "attack on fathers or fatherhood".

This is not about broken homes, it's about the opposite. It's about a couple or an individual that wants to create a child and a home."

He asked why infertile people should be asked to meet a set of standards set by the state when no such burden was placed on fertile people.

'Mothers often overlook child's feelings'

HEATHER Anderson, an offshore medic, 36, suffers from severe endometriosis and tried for a baby for four years with her husband Colin, 38.

The Inverness couple spent £25,000 on IVF treatment, with the third attempt resulting in a miscarriage last year. But then Mrs Anderson fell pregnant naturally and now the pair have Megan, aged four months.

Mrs Anderson says fathers act as moral beacons for children and changing the wording of this bill sends out the message that fathers are not important.

She said: "Changing the wording damages society in a moral sense. A child is emotionally and behaviourally affected by not having a father around."

She has no problems with single women and lesbian couples getting easier access to fertility treatment to help them to have a baby, under the plans outlined by the government yesterday. But she said: "The child's feelings often get overlooked by mothers who yearn for a baby and don't think about how the child will feel when it finds out its father is a sperm donor from Spain."



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  • Last Updated: 20 May 2008 11:09 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/05/2008 01:06:11

On one hand I do understand a Woman's 'Maternal Instinct'

And lets NOT! get all smart and brush this under our feet!

Women are Women! not some 'machine' called a Woman!

Their biology tells them to have a 'Baby' albeit, some Women do their level best to switch this fact off.

Some succeed with 'Pill Popping' but nature will catch up.

So we could say re 'Women's Rights' YES they should be supported to have their wanted child, under any circumstance's, put it another way,..

If Women did NOT 'Have-a-Baby' you/me would not be here, and the world as we know it would not be here!

But 'Poor Daddy' once again he is only here to provide as re the issue, once he has provided the necessary goods to 'make-a-baby' it seems that's the Man obsolete!

Maybe thats my DYW's Plan,? :-((

(only joking, I hope)


What says you Boy Wonder,?
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Edward,

21/05/2008 02:27:05
This decision is a shambles!
But before anyone gets on my case, I have to state I have nothing against same sex relationships or any woman who actually doesnt want any male involvement is fine. But its the ultimate consequence that will be the problem, when and if the child wants to know who his/her genetic father is? This has the potential of being a time bomb waiting to go off!
Consider this. person grews up and they want to know who there father is, what does the mother tell them?
What happens when they want to trace there roots, what will the mother tell them?
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David T.,

21/05/2008 04:00:06
I feel that this decision is an absolute disgrace and is a victory for political correctness over common sense born out of an erroneous desire to appear to not be descriminating against lesbians and single women. Doing the utmost to ensure that a child has a father is not descriminating against anyone but simply putting the welfare of any potential child ahead of the desires of the potential parent.

Having both a mother AND a father is essential for the psychological development of children and the absence of either parent, admitedly not always but often, makes life difficult for the child all the way through to adulthood. All animals who pair bond for life do so because the father plays a vital role in the development of offspring and we are no different.

I would like to stress that I am not a homophobe but a lesbian couple cannot, through no fault of their own provide this (a parent of both genders) but will come far closer than a single woman who certainly cannot provide this.

My parents divorced when I was very young and the pain I felt growing up without a father continues to affect me into my 30s. Having been raised by one I am of course full of respect for single mothers who all have an incredibly difficult task but I beleive that to calculatingly inflict a single parent upbringing on a child is an act of monstrous cruelty. Any woman who does so is quite clearly putting her own wants ahead of the needs of her child. If a woman is prepared to put her desires ahead of her childs needs before that child has even been conceived what would suggest she will not continue to do so throughout that child's life. Surely this is the very defenition of poor parenting.

I do not beleive that having a child is a right - it is a priveledge that should be earned through demonstrating a commitment to doing what is best for any potential child. Something this legislation singularly fails to promote.
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paulr,

edinburgh 21/05/2008 08:17:13
Alex Salmond you have dropped a couple of points in my estimation if you wish to restrict womens rights to abortion.
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thinking,

21/05/2008 08:36:44
'Traditionalists had wanted to retain the onus on fertility clinics to consider whether a child would have access to a father when considering women for IVF treatment.
But the requirement was axed by 292 votes to 217 amid concerns it discriminates against single women and lesbian couples.'
Now they will discriminate against children's rights to have and know a father
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BJGlasgow,

21/05/2008 08:59:06
If there is now no need for a child to have a father, and we are told that men should stay out of the abortion debate, it is a woman's choice, then why should men be made to pay child support? Is this not an infringement of men's rights? Would it be within my rights to tell the Child Support Agency that the birth of the child had nothing to do with me, it was the mother's choice not to abort the "thing" (it's not a baby or has human rights at this stage) so she should pay. Anyway a child doesn't need a father, so why shoould I pay for its upkeep?
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Cauchy Riemann,

Wales 21/05/2008 10:49:42
#7 you are spot on. The rights of the child should come before the 'rights' of others.
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Boy Wonder,

21/05/2008 11:22:28
The right to a father?? When I was growing up, many fathers were notably absent from their families because it was a woman's place to raise the kids. Since those times there has been a marked rise in divorce and many kids go through lives without fathers. Indeed, my partner says she would have had a better a life if her father (too free with a heavy hand) had been absent.

So no ... fathers are not absolutely necessary after conception. Some kids are better off not knowing who the "real" father is. IVF kids are just as equal as other kids in this. Why should they be different?

Fathers are only ever of any use if they are 100% committed to their wives and kids. If not, they should be neutered after their first (and only) trangression.

Potential mothers and fathers have to be fully committed to their potential future. Otherwise, what's the point of bringing a new life into the world ... and our laws should reflect that.

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Venachar,

21/05/2008 11:31:51

"Fathers are only ever of any use if they are 100% committed to their wives and kids. If not, they should be neutered after their first (and only) trangression"

You have a strange outlook on life and I would seek help for your obvious psycological problems!

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JayDeeTee,

21/05/2008 12:19:04
Hope fathers scrap the right to donate s.perm so these people can have children. A mass boycott would be a start.
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JayDeeTee,

21/05/2008 12:20:35
Sorry for the word s.perm. The Scotsman obviously consider the proper word unsuitable. Bunch of clowns.
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JayDeeTee,

21/05/2008 12:22:06
#14. and that should have said ...so these people CAN'T have children.
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hertscot,

21/05/2008 13:10:25
Surely if there is no father there is no child, or have I missed a great leap in genetic science?
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Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 21/05/2008 13:43:51
Another nail in the coffin of 'Great' Britain, removing a father from a child's life leads to higher crime, poorer education and a higher chance of, frankly, being a waste of oxygen.
I honestly deplore politicians, what right have they to impose such restricitions, is it any wonder people leave the UK in droves.....
Although there maybe an excess of children available for adoption the answer is not to bring in homosexuals to adopt them, I, personally, find this wrong: How will a child grow up and develop properly........

Bizzare social expreiments conclude in 2050, what will the effects be?
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Paula,

21/05/2008 13:52:42
As someone who became a single mother last year (and not by choice) I cannot understand why anyone would want to go it alone. I hope that these children will be brought into a world where they have at least one male influence to act as a father figure, they need the balance.
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ExpatNI,

somewhereelse 21/05/2008 14:03:49
Why should a single woman be going to a fertility clinic? I may be being simplistic, but a single woman who becomes pregnant, unless she has financial independance, needs some sort of financial support from someone else. If this woman is in a relationship with another woman fair enough, but who pays for the ivf? The rest of us? If this woman choses not to be in a relationship with another woman or man, who pays for the ivf? The rest of us again? Who pays for the upkeep of the child if she cannot go to work? The rest of us again? At what point can we say we are paying for ENOUGH?
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911 was an inside job.,

21/05/2008 18:08:40
The Family: A Proclamation to the World

The First Presidency and Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator's plan for the eternal destiny of His children.

All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

In the premortal realm, spirit sons and daughters knew and worshiped God as their Eternal Father and accepted His plan by which His children could obtain a physical body and gain earthly experience to progress toward perfection and ultimately realize his or her divine destiny as an heir of eternal life. The divine plan of happiness enables family relationships to be perpetuated beyond the grave. Sacred ordinances and covenants available in holy temples make it possible for individuals to return to the presence of God and for families to be united eternally.

The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God's commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.

We declare the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God's eternal plan.

Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children. "Children are an heritage of the Lord" (Psalms 127:

 

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