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Published Date: 06 February 2009
The Edinburgh University astrophysicist behind research that predicts there could be 38,000 alien civilisations in our galaxy spells out how he came to that figure, and whether we are likely to get a message from outer space.
How did you work out that there could be between 361 and 37,964 alien civilisations in our galaxy?

We took the information we have learned from planets outside our solar system – such as how big they are, how far away they are fr
om their parent star – and fed this into a computer model.

The model makes a synthetic galaxy, with billions of planets, and we can watch how life evolves in them.

How accurate are these estimates likely to be?

Sadly not very, yet. We are stuck with the problem that we don't really know how life begins, even how life began here on Earth. This is the main reason why our answers vary so much: it depends on how easy it is for life to appear.

As we learn, our answers improve – however, we have a lot of learning to do.

Is it likely we will be able to communicate with these other life forms?

Our results show that these civilisations are separated by vast distances – thousands of light years.

This would mean that any conversation would be almost impossible – it's even possible that civilisations may go extinct before messages arrive.

Are they likely to be similar to us?

Life is amazing: look at life on Earth, it takes so many shapes and forms, who knows what we might see on other worlds? It's very difficult to say.

What does the future hold – how long do you think it might be until we get proof of other civilisations existing?

Sadly, I think if aliens do decide to send a message, it would take so long to get here that we may have to wait for thousands of years.

Our results suggest that if aliens do exist, and we want to make contact, we have to be around for a long, long time.





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  • Last Updated: 05 February 2009 10:17 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: UFOs
 
1

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 06/02/2009 07:55:24
"The earlier concept of a universe made up of physical particles interacting according to fixed laws is no longer tenable. It is implicit in present findings that action rather than matter is basic. . . This is good news, for it is no longer appropriate to think of the universe as a gradually subsiding agitation of billiard balls. The universe, far from being a desert of inert particles, is a theatre of increasingly complex organization, a stage for development in which man has a definite place, without any upper limit to his evolution."

-- Arthur M. Young
2

Unimpressed one,

06/02/2009 07:59:56
How accurate are these estimates likely to be?

Sadly not very, yet.

So the whole article is pure rubbish.

Strange how the 'scientists' are the last people to know that we are already being visited by something.
3

it has always been allan,

06/02/2009 10:48:17
I have read that Gordon and darling will help pensioners who are losing out wholesale from reductionn in interest rates.

That is an equally preposterous theory which will never happen.
4

synthesis,

Indianapolis,IN, USA 06/02/2009 21:39:24
A point to consider in future improvements of this modelling is not only ‘interstellar panspermia’ but very fundamentally ‘Interstellar Colonization’:

The intelligence timescale is calculated in the model by stochastic process: life does evolve on a planet by evolution stages that are randomly sampled. The resetting events (catastrophic life destroying events) are placed uniformly throughout each of the stages. If Nresets > Nstages, then any
given stage may suffer several reset events. The model compute that if a reset occurs and if that reset results in annihilation, life is exterminated, and the process ends; otherwise the evolutive process decreases
qualitativaly.
If we permit strictly darwinian “Dawkins’Intelligent Designers” (interstellar interveners) in the eons of life’s evolution on colonizated targets then this stochastic ‘designer events’ must be included in Forgan’s model(s): any given evolutionary stage may ’suffer’ several ‘designer’ events and the model must compute that if a novel design is seeded and if that design results in life (intelligence)’s improvement then the target planet’s evolutionary path is changed for the better; otherwise the evolutive process in it is left to extremaly slow (classical) local darwinian stages.

5

Tomdonald,

07/02/2009 10:34:42
Do #2 and #3 never gaze into the night sky an wonder? To use "rubbish" in this field displays ignorance in depth.
6

Ewan Oosami,

07/02/2009 11:40:12
#4 your post has a 'fog' index which is too high to enable it to be read by intelligent life in Scotland
7

redcliffe62,

23/02/2009 15:57:38
the only alien i have seen for sure is a cyclops from fife who has desires to rule the world despite having the intellect of an uneducated amoeba.

 

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