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Published Date: 08 March 2008
MINISTERS have been accused of lack of urgency in improving one of Scotland's most important roads after it emerged early plans for dualling of the A9 will focus only on a six-mile stretch.
Stewart Stevenson, the transport minister, yesterday ordered proposals to be progressed for dualling two sections of single carriageway between Perth and Pitlochry – but detailed work will initially be carried out only on the Luncarty-Pass of Birn
am stretch.

The SNP had pledged to dual the entire A9 after it came to power last May. Much of the road, which stretches along the spine of Scotland, remains single carriageway between Luncarty and Scrabster in Caithness.

But a study commissioned by the previous administration recommended dualling the Perth-Pitlochry section in April 2006, and further work was due to have been completed by the end of that year.

The Scottish Government's Transport Scotland agency said the work on the Luncarty-Pass of Birnam stretch would enable it to become an "early priority" in its ten-year roads' programme from 2012. The upgrade will be considered as part of the agency's strategic transport projects review, which is due to be completed this summer.

This means the first new dual carriageway is at least four years away, while the rest of the 18-mile section to Pitlochry may not be finished for more than a decade. It also suggests that dualling the remainder of the A9 remains a distant prospect.

The Scottish Conservatives accused the government of inaction. Murdo Fraser, its deputy leader and a mid-Scotland and Fife MSP, said: "I do not want to see old promises about the possibility of dualling sections of the A9 being given. I want to see a real commitment to dualling the whole A9 between Perth and Inverness.

"Stewart Stevenson has been in his role since May 2007, and all he is doing is rehashing old promises from the old Executive."

Alison McInnes, the transport spokeswoman for the Scottish Liberal Democrats, questioned the SNP's commitment to dualling the road.

She said: "The transport minister is not taking a 'major step forward' in dualling the A9.

"He is merely confirming that he will honour the commitment made by the previous Executive to upgrade the most dangerous sections of the A9."

However, business groups welcomed the announcement. David Lonsdale, an assistant director of CBI Scotland, described it as "a welcome step forward".

Gareth Williams, Highlands and Islands manager of the Scottish Council for Development and Industry, said: "It is right that the Scottish Government orders immediate preparatory work on the next stretch to enable construction to progress more quickly following the strategic transport projects review."

A Transport Scotland spokeswoman said the Luncarty-Pass of Birnam section was being progressed first because it would be a natural extension of the dual carriageway from Perth.

She said: "This government has expressed its determination to progress work on planning for dualling the A9 – this is the first step.

"Transport Scotland is taking this opportunity to consolidate the work done to date and develop an engineering layout with an outline environmental appraisal."

A spokeswoman for the Scottish Government said yesterday's announcement was for detailed designs following on from a feasibility study in 2006, and ministers remained "absolutely committed to plan for the dualling of the whole of the A9".

PLEDGE SET TO COST MILLIONS

REMOVING the single carriageway sections of Scotland's longest road to improve safety and boost the Highland economy is an SNP commitment.

However, the bold pledge is likely to cost hundreds of millions of pounds and take decades to achieve.

It has been estimated that dualling the remaining single-carriageway sections between Perth and Inverness would inject an extra £1 billion into the Highlands over 30 years.

The mix of single and dual carriageway stretching between the two centres has contributed to dozens of deaths over the past decade. On the 24-mile Perth to Pitlochry stretch alone, which is used by some 10,000 vehicles a day, two sections of dual carriageway are interspersed with sections of two-lane road.

A 2006 study estimated that upgrading them would cost a total of £127.5 million, including £38.2 million for the Luncarty-Pass of Birnham section.

This would involve closing gaps in the central reservation and replacing junctions at right angles to the road with slip roads to improve safety.

The work ordered yesterday takes the process forward one step, but ministers have yet to commit funding.







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1

I eat cookies wrapped in scotch tape,

08/03/2008 00:10:04
Average Speed Cameras would be a much cheaper option.

Edinburgh City Bypass between Sheriffhall and the A1, in both directions, must be a source of interesting data.

Come on, Scotsman and Edinburgh Evening News - let's have a report on the level of fines for breaking the limit on this 2 mile stretch.

Pretty, low I'd guess.

All we need to know is the number of weeks and the number of offenders during that period. But you won't. Because nobody died. B4st4rds!
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Nezavisamaya Shotlandia,

Perth 08/03/2008 04:06:32
Ermmmm is it just me or by my memory did the Tories not have 18 years to even attempt to start dualling the A9? the LibLab pact had some 8 years. What progress did they make? The Ballinluig junction is already approaching completion and Bankfoot junction is on the way. The A9 is now starting the next phase of dualling with this proposal. All under the SNP. Or has Murdo been so completely trounced by every single SNP candidate he has stood against that he is so dazed and confused that he has forgotten.

Murdo would rather his transport priorities and funding were with the well-heeled Scotsman readers on Edinburgh trams rather than the Mid-Scotland and Fifers he is supposed to represent.

Murdo was beaten by the biggest number of votes in the whole of Scotland in May 2007 and in the recent Highland Perthshire by-election the Tories were beaten by more than 2 to 1 by the SNP, such is the testament to Murdo’s stirring leadership in the region.
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Watson,

Irvine 08/03/2008 04:48:38
No wonder the circulation of this rag is falling. This is just another anti Scottish Government story. In 8 months the SNP have done more for Scotland than the Labour, Liberal or Tory parties did over decades.
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DRL,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 05:33:47
10,000 vehicles a day is hardly the stuff of dual-carriageway capacity! Perhaps the SNP should do their math before realising there may be more needy cases.
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Statsman,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 06:08:12
How are the SNP meant to deliver a dual carriageway when a lot of Scottish transport budget was taken away by the Labour, Tories and Lib Dems for trams to replace the 22 bus?

This administration is not a majority administration like at Westminster. It has to deal with expensive policies that other parties have foisted upon it. Ironically, even with that problem, it still seems to be a lot more efficient than the last bunch of Lib/Lab morons.
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D Napier,

08/03/2008 06:12:01
Instead of upgrading the A9, transfer heavy freight bound for Inverness and the far north onto the adjacent, grossly underused, railway line.

This will then free capacity on the A9.

Better stil, invest in the railay line too.

#3. I'm not wanting to get into party politics, but the Ballinluig and Bankhead schemes are both remnants fro the previous Holyrood administration.

The SNP would have been better investing the money that they've wasted on toll abolition on improvements to the wider transport network.



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donald,

glasgow 08/03/2008 07:37:07
Birnham Woods moved faster efter MacBeth.
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DanB,

08/03/2008 08:33:29
Well said no.6 I couldn't agree more.

Being unafraid of party politics I would just add that the SNP promised many things to get elected, and this isn't the first they've gone back on.
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David MacVicar,

web 08/03/2008 08:44:14
"PLEDGE SET TO COST MILLIONS"

Infrastructure cost many millions South of the border too....except their main routes became duel or motorway decades ago. Meanwhile Scotland lost out and did not even get a stretch of motorway between its 2 main cities!

Unionist parties putting pressure on the SNP to somehow solve Scotlands decades of road and rail neglect turns my stomach.We all know who are to blame for the neglect and the abandonment of our infrastructure.

There are simply no funds out of the pocket change that Scotland receives from the lying thieves in Westminster to meet our infrastructure requirements. Scotland has been used to help fund the Chunnel, Southern motorways and Southern rail projects at our expense.

Enough is enough.
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 08:45:27
SNP were too weak and allowed themselves to be pressurised into passing the trams.

Yes the other parties voted it through but the SNP executive could have voted it down, but in face of a vote of no confidence chickened out of using their power.

That weakness and another failed pledge of stopping trams, is coming home to roost now.

Stop trams now and even with penalties, hundreds of millions of pounds can be put back ino the pot.
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Joe90,

Erehwon 08/03/2008 08:48:20
"a study commissioned by the previous administration recommended dualling the Perth-Pitlochry section in April 2006, and further work was due to have been completed by the end of that year"

But it wasn't, was it?

'Nuff said'

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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 08:52:28
The Republic of Ireland is well on its way to completing its motorway network linking all its major cities and ferry ports. (Source: National Roads Authority website)

In 2007 alone, it budgeted 1.53 billion Euros for its new road network! The work is expected to be completed by 2011!

The Irish government has pushed through these new motorways and dual carriageways in the face of massive opposition from environmental groups, and even the EU, which is concerned that it is destroying many ancient archeological sites in the path of these roads, the new M3 at Tara being a recent example.

Meanwhile, the 1970s engineered A9 is still one of the few major Euro-routes which is not fit for the 21st century.



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Gdgy,

08/03/2008 08:55:00
#3 "No wonder the circulation of this rag is falling. This is just another anti Scottish Government story. In 8 months the SNP have done more for Scotland than the Labour, Liberal or Tory parties did over decades."

If a paper reports a failure of vision by the SNP it is labelled anti-Scottish - could it just possibly be that the SNP "government" is failing Scotland????
It is sad to see this sort of blame the messenger stuff come out again from the SNP...always someone else's fault - the SNP are becoming the Al Fayed of the political world
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calum,

08/03/2008 09:12:41
..... and these are the politicians who would rather spend half a billion pounds on a tramLINE in Edinburgh (which defies every business case possible) and at the same time stalls on the upgrade of the main spinal route to the North which would stimulate and encourage the industries which are so vital north of Perth. To all those so-call Scottish politicians who have voted that way, Shame on You!!
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JimC,

Kilmarnock 08/03/2008 09:14:58
If I remember, did Salmond not want to duel the entire A9 instead of the Tram scheme? As for the scotsman being anti Scottish, its as plain as the nose on your face. BTW, was it not Des Browne (cash for stories) who said "There is no review of the Barnett formula planned" despite reports in the media that said he supported Straw.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 09:15:04
Ah well if its the tories and the lib dems making the accusation then it must be true shame on you Alex.
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Upbeat,

08/03/2008 09:19:59
Quote from Oban Times this week.

"Only 17 miles of the 147 miles between Glasgow and Inverness meet the netional design standard of 7.3 metre carraigeway width ".

This is the A82.

Until all trunk roads throughout Scotland reach this standard for a single carriageway, it is a blatant misuse of public funds to talk about dualling any of them. The A9 remains the one major Trunk road in Scotland that has been ( at huge cost) built in its entirity to an even higher specification standard, and this just 25 years ago.

Rebuilding other major routes will spread the weight of traffic across a road network , it is daft to rely on any one corridor.
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Elizabeth I (1558-1603 AD),

edinburgh 08/03/2008 09:27:45
Promises promises from the fish Salmond...that's broken promises as usual...why on earth do the people of Scotland put up with this bitter little fat man who is riddled with Anti-Englishness passed on from his twisted father and grandfather.....Scotland should get rid of this man pronto and move on!
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thinking,

Scotland 08/03/2008 09:37:07
#2
'Ermmmm is it just me or by my memory did the Tories not have 18 years to even attempt to start dualling the A9? the LibLab pact had some 8 years. What progress did they make?'
Is it just me or by my memory Labour were in power up here for something like 50 years? If that is the case, why blame the Tories?
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Linda,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 10:03:34
SNP to blame for Edinburgh Evening News putting its price up from 37p to 40P.

SNP to blame for high winds and rain this morning.
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bill-alba,

Fife 08/03/2008 10:08:39
Elizabeth..we have a committment to start dualing 2 parts of the A9..they lab/lib have been promising action for 10 years nothing happened....The tories were in government prior to that and talked about dualing the A9 nothing happened...please post any details you may have where Alex has said anything anti english....By voting for "this man" means that Scotland has moved on...perhaps you should try and move on from your cringing, parachial, inward looking unionist point of view..they are NO longer in charge.
Thinking...road transport was a Westminster government responsibility so it didnt matter who was in the local councils up here so yes blame the tories for when they were in power.
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HEN BROON 5,

08/03/2008 10:14:11
Another "Alex Salmond ate my hamster," story from this utterly dire Brit Nat rag, what a joke you lot are, no wonder you are sliding down the toilet.

Why are the SNP uniquely among all parties obliged to fulfil all their aspirations on the first year in power.

How many aspirations did Nieu Liebour fulfil. The last one being their denial of a promised referendum on the EU constitution?

ALBA GU BRATH.
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iain morrison,

Nairn 08/03/2008 10:25:54
Murdo Fraser? er did he not vote for the Edinburgh trams, which are being built with money which was earmarked for the A9. The people of the Highlands will not forgat that Lib, Lab, Torry betrayal in a hurry.
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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 08/03/2008 11:33:23
23 Alex Salmond Ate Your Hamster?!!??

My God! are there no depths to which this MONSTER will stoop with his Nat knife and fork. There must be an INQUIRY - I call on Mike Scott or Tavish Rumbles or Nicol Whathisname is he still around to do the necessary.

Anyway, the Invernesians can take the Tram - oh, it only goes to Leith. oh well never mind.


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Publius,

Girvan (for the weekend) 08/03/2008 11:33:49
#9 David McVicar
You're wrong. Main roads south of the border are in worse case than Scotland. A1 Edinburgh-Berwick now nearly all dual carriageway. A1 Berwick to Newcastle hardly any dual carriageway. A1 Newcastle southwards, very busy with most stretches only 4 lane daul carriageway/motorway when at least 6 is required. Very little upgrading of other roads in England during last few years. Labour cancelled most English road projects in 1997 and only a started again a couple of years ago.
In same period Scotland has completed M77 to Kilmarnock, dualled A1 across East Lothian, built A78 bypass round Stevenston & Ardrossan, dualled A92 from Arbroath to Dundee. Of course, a lot more needs doing but is Labour (voted into power by most Scots voters) that cut back on road building north and south of the border. Blame then not the English.
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Seannair,

08/03/2008 11:40:24
What AM2 consistenty fails to accept is that not only is the cash allocation short but the legacy of decades of failed unionist policies for Scotland means that the incoming administration has inherited a clapped out economy, a seriously flawed transport infrastructure and a bare cupboard. West coast ferry routes struggling but no boats in the pipeline. Miles of trunk road -A9, A82, A83 etc, etc in desperate condition.Railway lines that in some cases have not had serious investment since they were built in the 19th century
All these matters can be sorted but the transformation will not be overnight.An encouraging start has been made.
He is right to state that the Edinburgh tram money has not been diverted from the A9 but wrong to suggest that it could not have been much more usefully used elsewhere in Scotland. I am old enough to remember attending the "Last Tram " celebrations in Edinburgh. When the final bills are landing on the mats of the Edinburgh citizens they will do well to remember why!
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subrosa,

08/03/2008 11:46:49
# 27 AM2
'So the Tories and LibDems are right here. The SNP has basically just rehashed previous executive commitments.'

You're wrong and the Tories and LibDems are wrong. Do you know ANYTHING about the A9 other than perhaps nipping up to Inverness now and again? Not by your comments you don't.

From Perth to Dunkeld is a long stretch of road and it is not named on your list of wonders the last executive named.

Bankfoot improvements and Ballinluig would never had happened under the last executive if it wasn't for the tenacity of John Swinney who campaigned long and hard for these over the years. He's also campaigned for the full dualing of the A9.

From Perth to Dunkeld is an excellent beginning to this main route through Scotland and it is great progress. As one who uses this road daily I appreciate it as the single, dual, single, dual road which we have at present is a danger to all.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 08/03/2008 11:50:43
The gaping financial maw that is TIE strikes again !
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Queen D,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 11:54:38
Anybody read the bit about 'first step ' and 'we are committed to dualling the A9 ' or did nobody bother??
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 08/03/2008 11:56:27
14 - the Scotsman used to be referred to as a Tory paper, but I suppose the term Unionist Paper will now suffice. It is a fact that when Andrew Neil was at the helm of the Scotsman, he wouldn't employ an editor who was opposed to the Union.
That said, the standard of the paper under Neil was far higher than what we read at present.
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Highland Mighty,

08/03/2008 12:14:30
Maybe if Salmond spent a little less public money and resources on hosting a week-long bender for a load of foreigners on another continent, us taxpayers could benefit a little bit more.

How about it, Salmond? A little less globetrotting on our money and a little more public service?
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puskas,

East kilbride 08/03/2008 12:14:57
No27..

No matter how good you think Mr Alex Salmond is he doesn't have along with his cabinet a magic wand.

Away the trams ... I guess anything o'er a billion.

Hopefully the cooncil manage to find the money without poorer service for Edinburgh.. Of course the SNP will get the blame for voting against..

Pledges could only be said to be broken if this very good government had a majority.
We have a unionist cabal that instead of debating for the benefit of our country keep on shooting themselves in the foot and trying to discredit.

Discreditted like yourself .. Its good that you don't post as often as we have nothing to learn from your Andy Kerr type comments.

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Gdgy,

08/03/2008 12:25:34
"SNP to blame for Edinburgh Evening News putting its price up from 37p to 40P.

SNP to blame for high winds and rain this morning. "

Very good but if it was sunny - wee lec would saying that the warm weather was due to the increased confidence of the country under the SNP...or taking the plaudits for the commonwealth games bid win, which he didn't support...he is a smarmy git and don't trsut him as far as I could throw him...which would be further than under the Lab-lib gov, of course....
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Calum Crubag,

08/03/2008 13:34:20
So the SNP are getting the blame for at least starting something the Tories, LaBore and Libdums had decades to do?

SNP USES TAXPAYERS MONEY FOR SATAN
by ALiester Dolton
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Joe90,

Erehwon 08/03/2008 13:39:57
No 38
You seem, conveniently, to have forgotten a certain Joke McConnell posturing, 'at our expense', in a pinstripe kilt at the same event a few short years ago!!!
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 08/03/2008 13:53:37
#9 David McVicar

Ever been to Norwich?

The A9 is fine. It hardly has enough traffic on it to justify being dual-carraged all the way from Perth to Inverness.
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Hamish Scott,

08/03/2008 13:59:08
#30
When Labour came to power in 1997 they halted road projects in Scotland as well as England. The A1 between berwick and Newcastle has a good deal more proportion of dual carriageway than you state, and there are plans to dual more of it -Morpeth to Alnwick. There are no plans to dual any more of the A1 in Scotland. The dual carriageway south of Newcastle is in the process of being upgraded to three lane motorway. A lot of motorway building in England has been widening of existing motorway e.g. M25 and M6.
The A92 between Dundee and Arbroath was done by SNP run Angus Council, the Labour/Lib Dem Executive refused to support it.
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 08/03/2008 13:59:27
After subsidising the Cooncil Tax cut, I would be amazed if the SNP admin had any money left for the A9.
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 08/03/2008 14:03:42
#59 Jwil

You are a party-political robot.
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A Voice From SCOTLAND ;o),

08/03/2008 14:16:43
The SNP are getting on with good government which this Brit Nat rag cannot stomach along with it's band of fanatics who are on duty round the clock. Brit Nat HQ must get a good dicount from Buckfast to keep all these neds typing away at their waterproof keyboards.

You want to see real broken promises, then try these, not the invented fairy tales on here:

Labour's broken promises

Tuition fees - Labour's first broken promise

During the 1997 general election Tony Blair promised, "Labour has no plans to introduce tuition fees for higher education" (Evening Standard, 14 April 1997). Yet within a year, the Labour Government had brought in tuition fees.

Top-up fees - Labour's second broken promise

In the 2001 Labour manifesto, they pledged, "We will not introduce top-up fees". But less than two years later, the Labour Government has announced that it would allow universities to charge fees of up to £3,000 a year.

Liberal Democrats make students pay

Liberal Democrats say that they would scrap tuition fees, but we only have to look at their record in Scotland. Tuition fees have not been abolished in Scotland – as fees still have to be repaid after graduation (the so-called ‘graduate endowment liability’). Far from abolishing tuition fees, graduates just pay later and some pay more. As Labour’s David Blunkett has remarked, ‘it is difficult to see how anyone in Scotland has gained, with 40 per cent of students not paying fees in the first place and now having the non-fee deferred so that they have to pay after they have left university’.

Indeed, advertising watchdogs have investigated the Labour-Liberal Democrat Executive in Scotland over a complaint it has made misleading claims about "abolishing" tuition fees. The ASA carried out a simultaneous investigation into similar claims made by the Scottish Liberal Democrats in leaflets circulated to households in Edinburgh.
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 08/03/2008 14:20:43
#62 Voice

Why did you write so much, to say so little?
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 08/03/2008 14:25:40
Voice is just another automat - he didn't even mention the A9 :-)
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Gina Gibson,

Wales 08/03/2008 15:11:38
The SNP has been in goverment less than a year and has upgraded 6 miles of the A9.

Labour was in government along with their Liberal lapdogs for 20 YEARS and upgraded how much of the A9???
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Resolutions,

08/03/2008 15:25:30
#66 I agree!

And for those wanting freight on to the railway line - thanks to something many years ago, it is a single track line! Hardly the best for lots of freight.

A lot of people here, obviously do not use the A9 too much or the A96 either for that matter.
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bill-alba,

08/03/2008 15:49:32
here is suggestions from labour for their manifesto..which tell all of us what we need to know - absolutely no ambition whatsoever.

10 Scottish Labour suggestions for the 2007 manifesto:

1.Smoking cessation services in schools;

2.Referral centres for people under the influence of alcohol;

3.Neighbourhood policing teams;

4.Penalties for companies that sell alcohol irresponsibly;




5.Moves to encourage Nobel Prize winners to move to Scotand;

6.New bodies to assist former coalmining communities;

7.Reviewing system that allows teachers to retire at 60;

8.Incentive-led reductions in business rates;

9.Nurse-led community hospitals;

10. Sanctions for irresponsible parents.

nb.. If you dont believe me just go to their website.
AM2 etc... the above would obviously suit you, and yes if you are a unionist and you would prefer to be British then of course your less of a Scot...

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Upbeat,

08/03/2008 16:27:26
67 Middle watch .

"The reason it is such a poor and dangerous road is,there has been no political will to upgrade it, untill now."

You really should look into this matter before spouting the things you believe to be true.

The truth is that the A9 up until 1977 had had no major reconstruction money spent on it for a generation.

It was a twisty , narrow, poorly graded, rural road. Blocked in winter and jammed solid in summer. On this road two HGV's had just three stretches where they could possibly overtake. In many places the mirrors of trucks and buses approaching each other were routinely smashed unless each vehicle aligned itself correctly and drove with n/s wheels on the verge. This road wound its way through each and every village and town. It routinely took well over 3 hours to cover the 110 mile distance from Queensferry north to Inverness.

The plan for the new A9 was drawn up under successive Governments during the 1970's. It was one of the first major road building contracts in Scotland to gain funding from European strategic development funds. It was the biggest single earthmoving project ever attempted anywhere in Europe till that date. The work to construct this new road was finally completed in the early 1980's, and had incorporated many upgrades from the original specification during construction. Many further small scale improvements have been underatken in the 20 years since then, under successive political administrations.

The last time the A82 had any serious reconstruction work carried out, with the exception of a bridge or two, was in the late 1970's, when some 17 miles were rebuilt. Since then it has been patched and botched.

There is no doubt where the roads budget for the next decade should better be spent.
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Upbeat,

08/03/2008 17:29:54
76 Middle watch.

Now you have shown to this thread that you cannot understand basic words when they are assembled into phrases and simple sentences.

Paragraph 3 contained these words ".......up until 1977 ....... Paragraph 4 continued : "was a twisty , narrow, poorly graded, rural road. Blocked in winter and jammed solid in summer....... "

Then I wrote : " The plan for the new A9 was ......" the biggest single earthmoving project ever attempted anywhere in Europe till that date." .....

Got it ?

The A 9 was rebuilt between 1977 and 1983 as a completely new road, on a new line, bypassing all the villages and towns on the route north, as far as Inverness. It is no longer ...as you imagine it to be : "an upgraded Coo track" . It remains the most impressive single piece of civil engineering that was completed during that period in Scotland.
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Queen D,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 17:32:59
Like I said , is credence only given to those who criticise?
The SNP have said this is a start, good job someone has started at last!
And they are committed to the upgrade of the road.
They have until 2011 to show whether they can keep their promises, so far so good.
The previous incumbents did hee haw.
They now cannot shout about things that they did not bother to improve moving too slowly for their taste.
Enjoy the disruption which your trams are going to cause for a looooong period of time Edinburgh and remember which parties voted for them!
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David MacVicar,

web 08/03/2008 17:48:47
30 Publius,"Blame then not the English."

Do not put words in my mouth and do not presume I blame the English for anything, nevermind everything. Scots and predominately self interested career Brit Scots are to blame for most of Scotlands ills. However it is easy for anyone to see that the SE of the UK political state, firmly centered around London is a sinkhole.

Also, I was also not talking about one road nor what has been done in the last few years. I am talking of wholesale abandonment of much of Scotlands infrastructure for several decades. The North of England had been pretty much abandoned too, but since I do not believe in a UK political state and that it hopefully wont be around much longer I do not consider that any of my business.
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David MacVicar,

web 08/03/2008 17:54:57
I see N.Ireland exile and Brit Nat AM2 is on again trying to tell how unenlightened some Scots here are and that we should usurp our Scottish identity and country for some fabricated British mantle. It is so sad to see this puppet trumpet the authority and justification of a political state over that of our own country and people.

AM2, hang on to your British idealism while you can.

People are waking up and while (bizarrely) not all are sold on independence yet, the balance of power is creeping back to its rightful owners.
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08/03/2008 18:34:19
75 AM2,

" But then again, I'm not on a mission to take Scotland out of the UK, against the current wishes of a large majority of people........."

Until we've had a referendum, your claim above cannot be substantiated.
Weighted and multi-question polls are not a reliable source of public opinion, any more than polls on sites like this.
As things stand, it is the Unionist parties that are preventing Scotland from having a referendum. So it would seem that they are not as convinced as you are, about the " current wishes of a large majority of people ".
If they were, they would have been pushing strongly for a referendum months ago.
Fear of the real wishes of Scottish voters, seems to be getting in the way.
No doubt after the referendum, we'll have a much more accurate answer as to what the vast majority of people in Scotland actually want.
One of us could be in for quite a shock !
At this moment in time I wouldn't actually put money on it.
A couple of years from now I would.
As for your claims of 'balanced' posts.
I have obviously been guilty of misinterpreting your offerings, I had assumed from reading your posts that you were an outright Unionist.
Has this change to a balanced viewpoint happened recently ?!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/03/2008 18:40:03
86. Perhaps the opposition of all unionist parties to a referendum?
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Resolutions,

08/03/2008 18:43:51
#75 AM2
" I'm not making anything up as I go along. I take great care so that my posts are as accurate and balanced as possible."

Who are you trying to fool?

#76 A9 = a slightly upgraded coo track - o yes! (Mind you the old drove road is maybe better suited to coos!)

A 82 still is a coo track. And as someone said, the road infrastructure has been badly under-funded for years by successive governments. It takes time to establish what the state of the roads overall is, and then formulate an action plan - an overall plan unlike the piecemeal stuff we are so used to. In fact 'programmed' to accept. It is rather good to see an assessment being made.Most refreshing.
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European Scot,

08/03/2008 18:47:20
86

I assume you are being serious with that question.
Ayrshire has already answered it.
You mean you didn't know ?
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/03/2008 19:08:58
Now here's a suitable Coo for the A9...

www.nihoncar.com/en/news-277-Daihatsu+Coo.html
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Gina Gibson,

Wales 08/03/2008 19:12:06
#70 AM2 The SNP have been in power less than a year and have arranged to upgrade the A9.

Labour AND/OR LibDems were in power between 1997 and May 2007 and upgraded absolutely F*CK ALL of the A9!!

Just because a road doesn't run past the end of your garden doesn't mean that it isn't important!
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Los Angeles,

08/03/2008 19:15:37

Dame Rummage - you have to be a joke sidekick of AM-Squared. LoL

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/03/2008 19:23:22
I remember working on the A9 at Daviot when it was being upgraded. At the same time as they were doing the bypass at Kingussie and Newtonmore, And the rock blasting at Drumnadrochit.

As I was not long back from Germany, I remember asking myself (if this is the late 1970's) why are they only building this to 1960's European standards?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/03/2008 19:35:44
98/ I hear Labourites prefer Jersey coos
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/03/2008 19:37:17
92. Strange, I thought the SNP always said they wanted a referendum in 2010?

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/03/2008 19:37:52
97, Dane Bramage, if you care to check, I think you will find that the unionist parties have all united under Gordon Brown's tutelage to beg for more powers for the Scottish Parliament.

This was in opposition to the SNP proposal which included the referendum on independence.

What this has to do with the A9 is only something you could exlpain.
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Resolutions,

08/03/2008 19:41:19
#97 Who are you calling a liar?

It seems Blair and Brown et all are well ahead in those stakes - so far ahead that they should be out of sight(sorry wishful thinking)

Maybe you should catch up with them!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/03/2008 19:50:06
Schwanzkopf comes to my mind when I read Dane Bramage. It's not Danish but I don't reckon the Rev Spooner was either.
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European Scot,

08/03/2008 19:52:48
97 Dane Bramage

If Alex Salmond were a consummate liar as you put it, I doubt he would command the kind of support and respect that he does.
You say Alex doesn't have the bottle, yet the point being made earlier was that the Unionist parties don't want to risk having a referendum now either.
It's too close to call right now for both sides.
However the longer it goes on, the better the odds are for Alex Salmond and the SNP.
I believe a bill proposing a referendum will be put before the Scottish parliament in 2010.
Then let's see who has the bottle to vote against it, ahead of the next Scottish elections.
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/03/2008 19:59:45
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Indeed Ayrshire.AM2 rabbiting on about "broken promises" when the Scottish Government hasn't even done a quarter of it's term of office.

Dane. Calling somebody kn*bhead is, of course, very contructive to debate.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/03/2008 20:03:10
105. The SNP set out plans in their manifesto to set legislate for a referdum at the end of the parliament> this has not changed. Can you not read?

Now, as a Labour supporter, can you tell me where these Labour maniesto promised referenda got to?

- referendum on voting reform (promised by labout 1997)

- referendum on Euro (promised by labour 1997)

- referendum on Euro constitutional treaty (promised by Labour 2005)

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subrosa,

08/03/2008 20:03:13
# 37

My glass is always full never half empty:)

AM2 I've lived here for 22 years and the only improvements I've seen is the dualling from the Dewars roundabout to Luncarty (just short of 4 miles) and the mini upgrade some years ago of the junction with Dunkeld.

You can send me as many urls about what the unionists have or haven't done on paper, but as that actual road user, I know what benefits me from a safety point of view.

As for John Swinney he's been leading the protest for the dualling of this road since the early 90s. You kind of contradict yourself saying he's been perennial posturing. Or is this your attempt at humour?
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/03/2008 20:05:09
Excuse the typo.
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Dane, you call the SNP a right wing party, but then praise Annabel Goldie?
Last I heard she fronted a very right wing party...
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/03/2008 20:07:20
109. I think he is confusing the SNP with the ultra-right wing, Trident buying, inheritance tax cutting, rendition torture flight collaborating, Iraq invading, Thatcher loving New Labourites?
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Jimmy the Pie,

08/03/2008 20:10:38
Care to add to these lists AM2???


A parcel of rogues


Tony Blair.
Gordon Brown
Lord Levy.
Lord Goldsmith.
Harriet Harman.
Bernie Ecclestone
Ron Davies
Keith Vaz
Geoffrey Robinson
Peter Mandelson (twice)
John Prescott (thrice)
David Blunkett (twice)
Tessa Jowell
Stephen Byers
John Reid
Peter Hain
Wendy Alexander (lost count!)
Peter Watt
Charlie Gordon
Frank Roy
Michael Martin
Matthew Marr
Paul Green
Mike Watson
Lard Foolkes (lost count)
Lee Jasper
Ron Brown
Kirsty Wark
David Cairns.
Jackie Ballie


Broken promises, downright lies and sheer incompetence.

1. EU referendum
2. WMD dossier
3. Foreign criminals.
4. Higher direct and indirect taxes
5. Institute of Britishness
6. Gold ‘fire sale’
7. Pension fund theft
8. Ill equipped troops sent to war
9. Injured troops all but abandoned.
10. PFI rip-offs.
11. Northern Rock.
12. Cash for honours.
13. Non-domiciled foreigners.
14. Illegal donations and expense fiddles.
15. BAE/Saudi corruption
16. Tax Credit Benefits
17. Hospital deep cleaning.
18. Education, Education, Education.
19. The Millennium Dome.
20. Tax Haven abuse
21. - tuition and top up fees




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Conan the Librarian™,

08/03/2008 20:13:21
110
AKA the Broonshirts?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/03/2008 20:24:35
105, Dane Bramage. Could you please come back to me on something constructive about the A9? If you are capable of doing so.

Did I ever tell you about the time I overtook a couple of boy racers, complete with reversed baseball caps and shades, in a Ford Escort, at 135mph on a left hand bend?
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Los Angeles,

Edinburgh 08/03/2008 20:32:28

Dame Rummage

Ah, you prove you are AM-Squared's monkey.

I gather that less from your abuse as from the absence of moral and political argument expressed in your lowly opinion.

And any more crapology and I'll have to alter your website moniker to ...

"Brain Damage."

LoL
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Gdgy,

dundy 08/03/2008 20:32:40
The SNP are throwing away their best chance of getting the Scots onside with independence by headline chasing and issue raising!
They should have worked out a real budget and had the guts to say we have promised too much and cannot deliver...now they face embarassment on every issue, every failed initiative, every broken promise......
The excuses (it was those big unionist boys that did and ran away) won't wash...and how many times will we hear them.....
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/03/2008 20:43:25
Well Dane, the thing was that I was on my weekly Friday commute from the job I was doing in Dalwhinnie. The 2 young buchs were speeding up at the last bit of dual-carraigeway before Pitlochry to stop me overtaking them.

The A9 is such a frustrating road that I took them on. They bottled out at the left hand bend when I was on the outside.

They then followed me (up my Erse) till the Birnham bypass, when I managed to overtake a car before the dual-carriageway bit on the Perth side outskirts. They got stuch behind the car behind me and I lost them. Poor wee boy racers in their fancy Ford Escort.

The point I am trying to make here is that I have maximum no claims bonus and drive all over the country for a living.

I can tell you that the A9 makes you crazy as it is such a bad road. Now if you want to sit on this thread and relate everything to your dumbed down version of everything, then feel free to do so. But just don't try to troll me on something you know nothing about - and that includes the politics.
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Reckless,

Filthy EU traitors 08/03/2008 20:44:39
http://www.ivc6.com/greenfieldtv/remotecontrol1.html
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/03/2008 21:24:19
120. Dane, have stated, wrongly, that the SNP had changed it planned date for an independence referendum which was set out in the manifesto, I notice you refuse to answer me on what happened to the 3 referendums Labour promised in their manifestoes...

- referendum on voting reform (promised by labout 1997)

- referendum on Euro (promised by labour 1997)

- referendum on Euro constitutional treaty (promised by Labour 2005)

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 08/03/2008 21:40:56
129, Dane Bramage.

I bow to your superior knowledge in all aspects of life.

And if you believe that you will believe that I think you have any experience in life.

I forgive you as you know not what you say. (a parody on the biblical, dear Bramage)
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 08/03/2008 23:06:26
Permanently Dane Bramaged

I take it that Alex Salmond's 'broken promises' involved dualling 100 miles of road in 9 months? I think not.

But I can tell you that the Lab Dem Government did loads of roadbuilding in their 9 years: the M74 link, the A96 Dualling, the A9 Dualling, the Aberdeen Bypass, the A90 Dualling. I think not again. They talked a good game but didn't deliver. They didn't really have Scotland's interests at heart, and still don't.
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Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 09/03/2008 00:08:05
look, I realise that you need to copy everything in England, but one clear lesson is that road 'improvements' do not actually deliver many benefits. That's the clear lesson from anyone who lives near one of these things and the crap economic models that are used to justify them. The Highlands has done very well from Road building over the years.

More imaginitive and modern solutions to improve the links from Inverness tp the rest of scotland exist. Spain and France are building high speed railways!
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British Military Vet Veritas,

Suez, Egypt 09/03/2008 05:33:03
What the SNP and Alex 'Salmon' prove time and time again is that they are just not up to running a country. It is doubted by the sensible that he could not organize a works party in a distillery.

Did someone shout 'Stinking Fish!"?

Beam me up, Scotties!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 09/03/2008 09:41:14
#4 the terms is maths not math.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

14/06/2009 22:48:32
#2 "The Ballinluig junction is already approaching completion and Bankfoot junction is on the way. The A9 is now starting the next phase of dualling with this proposal. All under the SNP."

No, actually all under the previous executive. As with the building of schools, the SNP simply turns up to the openings and takes the warm applause from numpties like you who haven't the gumption to find out whether they actually had anything to do with it. And like schools, so little has been commissioned that the construction industry in Scotland is dying on its feet - all because the SNP hasn't yet found a way to spin the rebadging of PFI as "SFT".

It would be hilarious if wasn't really happening to our country. Someone save us from any more of the Nats' shtick.
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Donkey Hote,

04/09/2009 11:52:19
How's the SNP getting on with this road, surely they've had enough time now to get it right?

 

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