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Published Date: 30 March 2009
HUNDREDS of parking spaces are lying empty every day at the city's park-and-ride sites, it has emerged.
Despite a good uptake at the Hermiston site, newer facilities at Sheriffhall and Straiton are sitting half and three-quarters empty on a daily basis.

The city council said it would take time for the more recently built sites to grow in popularity,
but critics said the local authority needed to do more to promote park-and-ride as an option for commuters.

The most popular site, at Hermiston, has a maximum capacity of 500 and sees a daily average of 400 cars between Monday and Friday.

However, sites at Sheriffhall and Straiton, which both opened last year, recorded 50 per cent and 25 per cent take-ups.

The park-and-ride site at Wallyford, which is run by East Lothian Council, recorded a 34 per cent take-up rate.

The Straiton facility, which is next to the city bypass, was opened in October at a cost of £4.5 million following years of legal wrangling over the land. The Sheriffhall site, which cost £1.9m, opened in February.

Councillor Mark McInnes, the city's Tory transport spokesman, said the council needed to do more to boost usage at the newer sites. He said: "I am very disappointed by these figures. Given that the tram works are going on in the city centre, you would expect the park-and-ride sites to become even more attractive to commuters.

"I think the council owes it to people living in suburban areas to try to get as many motorists as possible to use the park-and-ride sites and not park in residential streets.

"The council has a big job to do to promote these sites."

Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's transport convener, said the sites were performing in line with expectations.

He said: "The park-and-ride sites around Edinburgh offer commuters, and others, a high quality and reliable alternative to taking their cars into the city, helping to reduce congestion and journey times, while cutting harmful emissions into the environment.

"The more established sites, Hermiston and Ingliston, continue to perform exceptionally well while the growth in demand for our newer sites, Sheriffhall and Straiton, remains steady and in line with expectations."

Last month, the park-and-ride sites were blamed for taking customers away from city centre car parks.

Figures showed that car parks with up to 1000 spaces were on average two-thirds empty, despite the pressure being put on on-street parking by the city's tram works. Six car parks – all within a 15-minute walk of Princes Street and with a combined total of more than 3000 spaces – were included in the study.





The full article contains 467 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Mad Jock,

East Lothian 30/03/2009 10:54:31
The Park and Ride scheme is very useful if you need to do your business in or near the railway stations they service, ie Waverly or Haymarket. Beyond that, and you're left with taking a bus or a taxi, adding to the time and expense involved.
The council obviously have no understanding of human behaviour. You wouldn't expect anyone to make a car jouney that meant changing cars three times along the route, and only at certain times, would you?
2

SandyBottoms,

Edinburgh 30/03/2009 11:41:32
You do have a point, MadJock. At first I was sceptical, but if you look at the routes on the lothian buses website: http://www.lothianbuses.com/parkandride-map.html It's easy to see why Straiton and Sheriffhall sites aren't used as much: they have rubbish bus service. (Okay, sure there are other buses besides Lothian, but let's face it, they have the most routes in the city.)

From Straiton, you can go downtown and to Granton (Western General Hospital). That's it.

From Sherrifhall, you can go to downtown, the airport (Ingleston Park & Ride), and central Leith. However, if you plan on going to the jewel, you're probably better off driving, and there isn't much point in taking a bus to the Royal Infirmary unless it's cheaper than paying for parking. Even the First Bus #86 only goes to Haymarket.

Include the increase in bus fares, and it may actually be more economical to drive.
3

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30/03/2009 11:53:11
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4

Duncan in Edinburgh,

30/03/2009 12:21:00
#1 What are you on about? All the council park and ride schemes are served by buses, not trains.

#2 Both have frequent limited stop (i.e. express) services into town. What on earth would you expect different?
5

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 30/03/2009 12:34:09
#4 - it's ok they are car daft and no doubt would not be seen on a bus if their life depended upon it. You too #3.
6

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 30/03/2009 12:40:58
Are they half empty,or are they half full.
7

IainT,

Prestonpans 30/03/2009 12:44:51
#4 For info, Wallyford is serviced by bus and rail. And isn't Newcraighall also a railway station?
8

Bob 2,

30/03/2009 12:47:54
Sheriffhall was built on the wrong side of the Roundabout, should have been joined up with the A68 extension

and express buses (not limited stop) that take you straight from the park and ride to the city centre.
9

Duncan in Edinburgh,

30/03/2009 12:51:39
#7 Newcraighall isn't a council park and ride, it's a Scotrail-run car park which charges for parking. I wasn't aware of Wallyford, which presumably is run by East Lothian Council? Seems sensible to have the choice where possible. Edinburgh Council doesn't fund rail-based park and rides, for some reason.
10

Bob 2,

30/03/2009 12:52:18
it could be the price

take the park and rides in york

A return ticket is just £2.30 per person with up to 2 children (under 16) travelling free with every paying adult.

edinburgh 1 adult and 2 kids (£5.20)
york 1 adult and 2 kids (£2.30)
over double the price in edinburgh

and its a 10min service
11

Bob 2,

30/03/2009 12:54:25
7 IainT,Prestonpans

but the bus is the normal 44 service to edinburgh

9 does the buses still go into the newcraighall
12

Mallory,

Edinburgh 30/03/2009 13:00:34
Obviously drivers are waiting for the Trams.
13

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 30/03/2009 13:17:46
My biggest problem with the Park 'n' Ride at Sheriffhall was that the supposed "express service" is anything but! It stops at virtually every stop along the whole route, and ends up taking 2 or 3 times as long to travel into the city centre as it does by car. And then, of course, you hit the tramworks....

A complete waste.
14

thehitmaster,

Penicuik 30/03/2009 13:29:26
Could some of this be that the park and rides are situated on roads to towns already well served by buses such as Penicuik, why drive to Straiton to get the bus when for the same fare you can get the bus all the way ? Similarly Dalkeith, on the other hand if what we read is to be believed there is no encouragement for drivers from places like Broxburn or Livingston to take a bus the whole way due the time that it takes to even get to the city boundary, so they drive to the park and ride and make use of the then semi decent bus service into Edinburgh. As for fares, there was a time First done a £1.50 (adult) return to Sheriffhall.
15

P I Staker,

30/03/2009 13:49:07
#8 quite right - seems ridiculous that 50 cars, with only a driver on board, need to negotiate the mess that is Sheriffhall roundabout to get to the park and ride whereas if it had been built on the south side of the roundabout, one bus would have taken the 50 round Sheriffhall with the appropriate reduction in congestion, harmful emissions etc.
But that's the logic of councillors and their highly paid, highly trained (?) advisers with professional qualifications in such matters.
16

Heretic_,

30/03/2009 13:50:38
If the park and rides were full every day the council woudl be criticised for not building them big enough - better to have spare capacity than not enough
17

calum,

30/03/2009 15:13:05
#5 - Yes, sitting next to some malodorous individual with some indeterminate beat regaling us from his i-pod whilst coughing and sneezing all over passengers for 50 minutes is just the stimulus you need to encourage more use of the bus, eh?
18

calum,

30/03/2009 15:15:36
#Duncan, yes, East Lothian, a support county for Edinburgh where some local authority planners have some sense in their decisions. And encouragement to use the train all the way to the Capital....... beats sitting in the traffic choas of Seafield Road anyway.
19

Duncan in Edinburgh,

30/03/2009 15:30:41
#17 In my experience the majority of people who hold that view are people who don't regularly use buses. Yes you occasionally get a smelly person, yes you occasionally get someone with their music turned up too high, and yes there are occasionally people with colds on board. But most of the time journeys are free from all three.
20

calum,

30/03/2009 15:44:10
#19 You must get a bus where people know how to use their hankie, then.
Try getting the 16 at Comiston at 0730 and listen to a smelly middle aged coughing fit all the way to Haddington Place!! Or the acrid smell of cheap perfume at Churchill!! Or listen to the pair that get on at Morningside Station .....n/ch.. n/ch.. n/ch.. n/ch.. n/ch.. all the way to St. Andrews Square.
Spend a while listening to all the unrestrained coughs and sneezes ...... you need to get out more.
21

Yonthing!,

30/03/2009 16:13:10
You can't just build a Park and Ride and hope people will travel to it - it needs to actually be useable.

Hermiston works as Livingston people have an easy drive to it, then an easy journey into the City.

Sheriffhall and Straiton don't work as the journey time to them and the onward journey into the city are no benefit over driving the whole way.

Perhaps a P&R at Bush would help people from Penicuik. As someone has already pointed out, something attached to the new A68 bypass would help those using the A68 (and part of Dalkeith), and something opposite Tesco at Eskbank would help the A7. But driving all the way through Sheriffhall is uesless.
22

gus1940,

Edinburgh 30/03/2009 16:42:20
Is it not a fact that Edinburgh's congestion and parking problems are caused primarily by out of town commuters?

Instead of wasting in excess of half a billion pounds on a useless tram system that nobody wants use the money to provide a free express bus service from the P & R's to the city centre plus a free day bus ticket to get people to their eventual destinations.

The tram money would pay for this for many years.



23

Anonymoose,

30/03/2009 17:00:43
What Edinburgh needs to make this work would be links to some kind of citywide metro or light railway. Perhaps one that did a circuit of the city going to a number of destinations within the city, not just into the city centre.

If only there were tracks already in place for such a scheme...
24

Goat Boy,

30/03/2009 18:36:56
Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's transport convener, said - "helping to reduce congestion and journey times, while cutting harmful emissions into the environment".

Sorry Phil, that's not quite correct. Emissions of CO2 from cars are calculated per Km travelled. If you drive your car from your home to the park and ride and home again, you have failed!
25

Duncan in Edinburgh,

30/03/2009 20:36:34
#24 "Emissions of CO2 from cars are calculated per Km travelled."

Are they really? So the same amount of CO2 is emitted if you travel to London as if you travel down the road to the shops?

Eejit.
26

Chris L,

30/03/2009 22:07:13
Raising bus ticket prices will have done nothing but increase the unpopularity for the park and ride scheme.
This city needs a drastic road overhaul, and the tight planning and red tape make this a total improbability.

the only reason this city is gonna feel at ease WHEN these trams works are over is because it is the very tram works slowing this city down.
27

Julian.,

edinburgh 30/03/2009 22:18:35
Goat Boy,

What are you on about?

If you drive your car to the park and ride and then take the bus into town with lots of other prople you emit less co2 than if you drove your car the whole way into town. That's what he meant by cutting emissions.
28

BobW,

Embra 30/03/2009 23:35:00
I've had a good idea. What about a tram network. One that links up all the places people want to travel to and doesn't disrupt the traffic. Link this with the South Suburban network, that has all the tracks already in place, and we could have a sensible solution.
29

Goat Boy,

31/03/2009 07:55:04
Duncan: How do you work that one out? More Km travelled = more CO2 emitted (CO2 emitted per Km travelled). Is it a bit early for you today?

Julian: Think about it! If you drive 40 miles to the Park and Ride and 40 miles home again (do this 5 times a week - that's 400 miles a day). Your short journey of 30 miles in the bus will achieve very little.
.
30

Old Cartha Boy,

31/03/2009 10:35:09
The area around Straiton is already well served by nearby parking spaces so coupled with no new bus services, it is no surprise the take up is so low. Be interestng to know whow many use this/other P&R sites are new to bus travel, enticed by the facility.

If Cllr Wheeler says these numbers are in line with expectataions, surely they knew they had got their projections wrong!
31

drunken proffet,

Tassy 31/03/2009 10:58:27
For congested cities, park and ride are the way to go. What is the bet that they have the facilities, but not too smart on the information. It is the same all over the world. A brilliant idea but not too much information as to how it works. It is bound to get a lot better when the recession kicks in.

 

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