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Published Date: 27 January 2009
THE private consortium which built the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary is demanding £14.5 million from the NHS in return for it scrapping parking charges of up to £7 a day.
The price tag is said to have "astonished" the health board which has been in talks with the company about cancelling the parking fees.

The controversial charges now seem likely to stay in place at the ERI despite free parking being introduced at most other hospitals at the beginning of the year.

It had been hoped the health board could strike a deal with Consort to buy out the parking element in its controversial PFI (private finance initiative) contract which has 19 years to run.

The £14.5m figure was revealed to MSPs at a private briefing by board officials.

SNP Lothians MSP and former GP Dr Ian McKee said he did not see how NHS Lothian could do a deal involving anything like the amount being demanded.

He said: "At the moment the health board will probably walk away from it. The price is too high.

"And it's not just a question of paying £14.5m. There would be substantial running costs. It could cost another £1.5m a year to operate. Even if they got it down to £10m, I don't think they would go for it. It's a huge amount of money."

Parking charges at all non-PFI hospital car parks were scrapped earlier this month. Health Secretary Nicola Sturgeon urged health boards with PFI-operated car parks – the ERI and two other hospitals, Glasgow Royal Infirmary and Ninewells in Dundee – to try to negotiate their contracts in order to end charging or bring the costs down.

Patients and visitors pay £1.20 an hour up to a maximum of £7 a day to park at the ERI.

Lothians Labour MSP George Foulkes said the price being demanded by Consort was "outrageous". He said: "I don't know where it comes from or how it can be justified."

He said: "The health board won't get any extra money from the Scottish Executive. They would have to find it out of frontline service costs, which would mean cutbacks in frontline services, which I could not justify."

Livingston SNP MSP Angela Constance said Consort's demand was "astronomical", adding: "It's a good example of the folly of PFI hospitals."

Consort confirmed it had been in talks with NHS Lothian, but declined to comment further.

John Jack, director of facilities at NHS Lothian, said: "We are in continuing discussions about car parking with Consort."

No change in condition of hospital car park
A BID by NHS Lothian to improve access to a hospital car park has failed after it was told it would in fact worsen the situation.

The health board wanted to widen a road into St John's Hospital in Livingston to allow two lanes of traffic rather than one.

This, health chiefs said, would mean less queuing to get into the busy hospital and improved access.

West Lothian Council snubbed the idea, and now a subsequent appeal to the Scottish Government has also failed.

After a visit to the Howden Road West car park by Holyrood planning reporter Mike Croft, it was ruled that the road should stay as it is.

Mr Croft said ticketing machines which allow access to the car park would not be able to cope with the increase in people going in at a set time, and that the current queuing system was perfectly acceptable.

In his ruling he said: "The suggestion that there would be no queuing at all is simply not credible."

Parking meter problem puts drivers at risk of getting towed
DRIVERS in Bruntsfield were told they faced a fine and may even be towed from clearly signposted parking bays because the council hadn't activated the parking meter yet.

Signs were erected on Gilmore Place at the end of December, indicating that parking was free outwith 8.30am and 5.30pm Monday to Friday, and all weekend.

Arrows on three signs pointed towards the restricted area, outside Itri restaurant, and stood uncovered for over a month.

However, drivers were still receiving tickets on the weekends leading up to January 17, before parking wardens reverted to warning letters.

William Gillan, partner with A&W Decorators on Gilmore Place, said: "The wardens were handing out leaflets saying that it was still illegal to park there at the weekend but the signs clearly say that it's free."

An Edinburgh City Council spokesman said: "As with any ticket, drivers have the right to appeal."



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27/01/2009 11:46:14
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brandy al,

embra 27/01/2009 11:55:40
And here i am thinking the days of Highway Robbery went out with Dick Turpin,how wrong can one be.
3

alex patersons English teacher,

27/01/2009 12:01:41
2.
Betty turpin kept it going, have you seen the price of hot pot
4

Bill MacD,

27/01/2009 12:14:08
That's what happens when politicians cook the books with outrageous mechanisms like PFI, which authoritative independent analysts have shown are costing us the price of four hospitals to get one... and even then we won't own it once we've paid for it. The ONLY reason they faked the accounting in this way was to take the costs off the government's official books AS IF it wasn't public spending. The devious dishonest 'public servants' responsible for this massive scandal should have been sacked years ago.
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27/01/2009 12:16:54
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Unimpressed one,

27/01/2009 12:27:57
Presumably there will be similar problems regarding the abolition of NHS hospital phone charges. It seems like the PFI contracts were a ripoff package to fleece the taxpayer at every turn.
7

Fecker,

27/01/2009 12:34:47
#4
your comment "and even then we won't own it once we've paid for it" shows that you know eff all about PFI/PPP. At the end of these contracts the accommodation is handed back to the commissioning authority
8

steve 1511,

aberdeen 27/01/2009 12:37:17
another fine mess the lybour sleaze and corruption party has caused by they use of pfi,

we are doomed with broon ,doooomed
9

East at Easter,

Edinburgh 27/01/2009 13:17:53
UTTER GREED. NO OTHER WORD.

10

Arrow,

edinurgh 27/01/2009 13:25:59
for £14 million they could give everyone wanting to visit their own tax trip 24/7. and if the ERI owners don't sign up what then. i am sure there is a get out clause there if someone had the sense to think out of the box.
11

Norma,

Edinburgh 27/01/2009 13:33:37
It doesn't seem to matter nowadays what the scenario is, whether in the political, financial, health, construction, healthcare etc.etc. fields - when anything goes pear shaped why oh why is there almost never ever anyone held to account. It is also apparent that these unaccountable people are usually the incompetent ones - question is how do they get into these responsible positions in the first place? Maybe it's time, with so much going wrong everywhere, that we the people demand that mandatory contracts are issued to the effect that not only the useless,inept, bungling,ineffectual persons who are employed/elected to these positions are fired and penalised financially, but also the obviously incompetent bodies who employ and supposedly oversee and monitor them!
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27/01/2009 13:56:16
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Mikey,

27/01/2009 14:04:28
Joe, why don't the English Labour Party (Scottish branch) pay it? Surely you have enough Brown-sirts around? Why don't you, personally, have a chat with the scumbags that imposed these charges through PFI?
14

NorT,

27/01/2009 14:05:35
#7 - You are wrong and #4 is correct. Even if NHS Lothian buy out the parking contract the actual land belongs to Consort who have a 99 year lease on it not the 25 or 30 years that NHS Lothian like to talk about.Its all in the PFI documents.
15

jackhobbs,

glasgow 27/01/2009 14:13:01
Surely this is not a major problem as the Scottish Executive through the Labour/Lib Dem partnership bought out the Bank of America to allow the locals + 43 tourists a year to cross the Skye Bridge and I believe the cost of the buyout was about £20m. The problem is the people of Skye are more important to the existing Scottish Government than the sick of Edinburgh. Correct me if I am wrong but when the ferry ran, before the bridge was built, everybody paid £5.00/crossing. Pehaps they should have left the ferry operating 0700 - 1600 for free.
16

Decent,

27/01/2009 14:19:47
What are you talking about?
17

Duncan in Edinburgh,

27/01/2009 14:31:50
#5, #13, #14 The commissioning body for the RIE was NHS Lothian, *not* the previous Scottish Executive. In fact, the contracts for the new hospital were signed in 1998, before the Scottish Parliament even came into being.

I wish people would avail themselves of the facts before passing comment.
18

Cappo Del Monte,

27/01/2009 15:02:46
#18

So it was all the sleazzy party and lybours fault, they were in control then, they had to okay it.
krooks one and all even in the lords
19

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 27/01/2009 15:12:31
Never mind. Jesus will sort this out.
20

Decent,

27/01/2009 15:23:18
What happened to the chocolate pigeon comments?
21

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 27/01/2009 15:28:31
No-one dies of severe parking charges. The NHS exists to treat sick patients, not to subsidise free car parking for petrol heads (there are God knows how many buses to the NRIE, and there are already subsidies available for outpatients who really need to go by car).

Abolishing the hospital parking charges was just the sort of populist nonsense one expects from the Gnats, not that their gesture politics cost them a penny, of course - the Health Boards were left to pick up the bill from within existing budgets.

Sick of all this PFI hypocrisy from the CyberGnats as well. It is not as if the Gnats are building new hospitals or schools or anything else, their Scottish Futures Trust (which, as leading financial analysts keep pointing out, is just PFI under any other name anyway) is dead in the water. The Gnats' best idea so far has been to go cap in hand to Westminster for more cash - oh, aye, very independent, that - and then whine like spoilt kids when their begging bowl is ignored.

Scotland is deep in recession, yet all we get from King Smug and the Gnats is immature posturing and yah boo politics. They are simply not up to the job.
22

James (1),

27/01/2009 15:47:09
Look it is a business and if the NHS were stupid enought to agree to it then how can you complain?
Are the idiots who agreed this still in a job and if so why?
That is what happens when you let amateurs loose with business men. They get shafted and we the general public pick up the bill.
It would be cheaper to build another carpark.
23

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 27/01/2009 16:03:37
#23 James (1),

"It would be cheaper to build another carpark."

Yes, indeed James, and if memory serves me correctly there is quite a lot of land up there which could possibly be used (allowing of course that its Green Belt status could be removed).

£14.5 million? Wahat a disgusting and immoral rip-off I hope the owners of this company get MRSA.

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Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 27/01/2009 16:23:08
#23 and #24 - Aye, stuff the green belt. Time to tarmac over the fields so that all the petrolheads don't have to get on a bus or walk a few yards like the rest of us. And we will all cough up the extra taxes to subsidise nice new car parks. Or maybe we could just divert another few millions from the NHS patient care budget.

Oh, why bother with patient care at all? We'll just change the National Health Service into the National PARKING Service. Aye, forget all this medical stuff - let's get all those doctors and nurses doing something REALLY worthwhile, parking the petrolheads' Chelsea tractors for them.
25

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 27/01/2009 16:52:04
Lothians Labour MSP George Foulkes said the price being demanded by Consort was "outrageous". He said: "I don't know where it comes from or how it can be justified."
It comes from a fairly simple accountancy calculation, roughly speaking it is the amount of money they need now to invest so to return the same level of profit they would have made from the remainder of the contract.
As return on capital is very low at the moment and is expected to remain so for some time, the capital sum required to buy out the contract will be larger than it was a few years ago.
If he doesn't understand that then why did he support PFI/PPP financing in the first place ? Was he just unthinking lobby fodder ?
26

to,far south,

hampshire 27/01/2009 17:05:49
it is not always pos to get the bus what if you live in the back of beond now i would have to take a bus,train,tube,train,bus, na i would just drive parking charges for hospital is out of order
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Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 27/01/2009 17:13:06
#27 - Why is it out of order?

You visit the doctor, you pay parking. You go to the chemist for a prescription, you pay parking. You go to the opticians, you pay parking. You go to the dentist, you pay parking. You visit your old granny in a care home, you pay parking.

So what is so different or special about a hospital? The NHS was set up with the concept of TREATMENT being free to patients at point of NEED. There was nothing in the charter about CAR PARKING being free to patients and visitors alike at point of CONVENIENCE.
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 27/01/2009 17:59:19
#25 Ghengis McCann,

You have clearly misunderstood my intention/suggestion.

I am concerned that the much valued NHS staff, doctors, nurses, cleaners, etc. many of whom need cars to get to and from work are having to pay such outlandish fees. I am also concerned for patients and visitors on the same grounds.

The loss of a bit of green belt would be little to pay in order to prevent these people from being ripped off by a buch of mercenary pirates - don't you agree? Or perhaps you would prefer it if medical staff, etc refused to accept employment in a hospital where parking fees are so extortionate.

A proper, large and free car park should have been a priority in the design of the new ERI.

Greenies, please don't have cardiac arrests.







29

S. A. C.,

Just up the road fae the ERI 27/01/2009 18:53:30
Why dont they just make a few signs directing them to another part of the grounds where they can park for free???
30

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 27/01/2009 18:53:44


Peter ~29,

"A proper, large and free car park should have been a priority in the design of the new ERI"

NEVER A TRUER WORD SPOKEN!,.....'FULL-STOP'!!

We were all tricked, when told, this out of town facility, would be the answer to congestion and parking in our Town Centre, Like Hamilton Gate, what do they do, in the 'Middle-of-Nowhere',

CHARGE FOR PARKING!!!

IT IS SCANDALOUS!!!!

They would Charge for 'Parking-on-the-Moon' if we ever got there!!!



31

James (1),

27/01/2009 19:03:32
#25 It must cost your family a small fortune to visit you or are you in the Royal Edinburgh?
32

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 27/01/2009 19:10:54

Who changed my post, @#31 :) ,

"Hamilton Gate" Where the 'F', is that?

Should of read Hermiston Gate!!

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 27/01/2009 19:17:13




Oh I get it! "Hamilton Gate", its on the Moon,innit?




34

krusty the klown,

27/01/2009 20:13:18
What is wrong with 7 quid a day parkin'? - cheaper than city centre - doesn't bother me
35

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 27/01/2009 21:11:53

krusty the klown ~35,

Aye! only a clown would pay in excess of £210.00 per month, to park your motor at the ERI!
For a little more, one could have a Mortgage! :)


36

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

27/01/2009 22:47:12
Name & shame Consort - Consort is the name Balfour Beatty & its sister company, Haden Building Management are hiding behind. The public & officials should make sure Balfour Beatty & Haden never set foot - or put their greedy hands - in Scotland again.
37

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

27/01/2009 22:52:42
Jim Coyne, you might have survived the Glen Coe avalanche, but, as Haden Managements top dog at your Consort controlled empire at Edinburgh Royal Infirmary, you should be ashamed of yourself over your greedy car parking charges & the misery you are placing on the staff & public in a hospital environment.
38

The real dracula,

27/01/2009 23:49:32
I think the parking charges should be reduced to 50p an hour. With a card stamped from the dept you are visiting to show you have a valid reason for being in the hosp. This stamped card could then be fed into the ticket collection point as it is now.

The problem being if they abolish the parking fees completely it will become an unofficial park and ride for workers in Edin.

Patients families who are there for many weeks ie ITU or SCBU should be able to purchase a weekly pass of say £5. As should staff ( currently staff pay £23 a month) who have no bus route to ERI. Permits are only given to staff if they haev special needs or live off the bus route and have no alternative means of travel , this should stay the same or visitors/patients wont get parked.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 27/01/2009 23:51:04



WELL-SAID!! Mario @#37,38.


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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 27/01/2009 23:59:12

NOBODY BUT NOBODY!, Is going to use the ERI car park, for any-other reason but Hospital Business!

Park you motor and walk into the town from Little France?,,,...'AYE' RIGHT THEN!

Park you motor and take a bus into town from Little France?,,,....'AYE' RIGHT THEN!

So is it the Man-from-the-Moon, they are worried about then?,,,....'AYE' RIGHT THEN!

This "Parking" Has no more to do with other than taking advantage of the Sick and Injured!

IT IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!!

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Julian.,

edinburgh 28/01/2009 01:52:53
Charles,

Actually it also has something to do with encouraging people to use public transport...just a pity it was all rigged to go to a private company.

I've been up to the ERI on several occassions and in the afternoons it's chaos...you have to queue 10 mins to get into the car park. Imagine what it would be like without the charges...what would your solution be then? Tarmac over more of the green belt?
42

CJH,

Monifieth 28/01/2009 07:45:30
As someone who still pays to park at Ninewells (I work there), thankfully 'only' £1.70 per day, I can assure Charles et al above that prior to the introduction of parking charges non-Hospital workers routinely parked there for the day and went off shoping into Dundee - cheaper to pay the bus fares than park in the City Centre. One would have thought it wasn't beyond the wit of man to devise some sort of scheme to avoid this, but apparently a previous administration thought PFI was the answer and we ended up with a private parking company. Now while I detest with my whole being the company (Vinci Park - they have to be seen to be believed), from their point of view I can see that they have a contract all legally signed off, which entitles them to the income from Ninewells parking for the next 20 years or so - annual income recently estimated by the Dundee 'Courier'as around £2 million. So, Vinci Park should expect to collect around £40 million or so over the next two decades - in business terms, why on earth should they broker a deal to sell off their contract for anything less than that figure?
For information, I believe that cancer patients get tokens to get out of the Car Park 'free', as do Blood donors. For further information, even with the current scheme, heaven help anyone who tries to park at Ninewells after 9.45-10am - you simply can't. And that's with several hundred cars parked (legally) off-street in the surrounding area, and Ninewells being a major bus terminus for what sometimes feels like every Bus service in Tayside.
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 14:29:56
#37 & #38 The Geniune Mario Antionette,

"Jim Coyne, you should be ashamed of yourself over your greedy car parking charges & the misery you are placing on the staff & public in a hospital environment."

Mario, well said, I agree completely.

Taking this discussion one step further, surely Government should take action to prevent such greed and to stop the exploitation of the public at one of the very worst times any of us can experience.

If necessary, green-belt land should be purchased and released to make free or very cheap parking available to all members of staff working in hospitals and members of the public using hospital services.




 

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