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Published Date: 17 March 2009
PARKING chiefs have been forced to write off nearly £1.2 million in fines racked up by foreign drivers, it emerged today.
New council figures have revealed that more than 34,000 penalty tickets have been dished out to foreign-registered cars in the last three years – but only around half have been paid.

Transport chiefs can trace British-registered cars through the DVLA if a driver does not pay, but there is no way of doing the same thing for vehicles registered overseas.

Raising overseas court actions against foreign motorists is too costly for the council, so the tickets are just written off.

While tourists are thought to account for the bulk of the tickets, anecdotal evidence from council officials suggests that some foreign nationals who move to Edinburgh on a permanent basis are deliberately not registering their cars to avoid paying the parking fines and other motoring taxes.

Transport chiefs and driving groups today said a Europe-wide agreement on driving offences was the only way to stop the parking cheats.

Neil Greig, a spokesman for the Institute of Advanced Motorists, said: "It is surprising that as many as half of these fines have been paid.

"Nothing is going to change on this problem until we have a European-wide agreement whereby fines and disqualifications apply to each country.

"A high-level European agreement is in place for this, but it has still to be ratified by each country so drivers are still getting away with it.

"The numbers for Edinburgh are high because it is clearly a big tourist attraction, but what is probably more worrying for us is those who are deliberately not registering their vehicles to avoid these fines or paying road tax.

"A pan-European agreement would mean nobody would get away with not paying these fines and I am hopeful we will see it happen within the next few years."

Parking fines in Edinburgh are £60, but are reduced to £30 if paid within a fortnight.

If unpaid within two months, the owner of the car loses the right to appeal and sheriff officers are called in to recover the debt.

Drivers get away with ignoring the rules as parking offences ceased being a criminal matter when police traffic wardens were replaced with attendants hired by the council in the late 1990s.

The number of tickets issued to foreign-registered cars in 2008 was an estimated 11,924, down from 13,398 in 2007. A total of 9283 tickets were issued in 2006.

Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's transport leader, said: "This issue is not unique to Edinburgh but affects authorities across the UK as there are currently no cross-border warrants for parking tickets issued within Europe.

"I hope to see a solution to this that sees this loophole closed."


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1

allknowing,

17/03/2009 12:07:55
Thats funny, becuase if i drive to europe and get fined, I bet you they will

a/ getmy details from the DVLA
b/ Invoice me for said amount.

So why cant we do the same??
2

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 17/03/2009 12:08:28
So as usual its poor old us that suffer again.
3

Ryan Kelly,

17/03/2009 12:11:40
really simple answer - ban cars not registered with the DVLA from driving in Edinburgh (i am sure they can come up with a tempory thing for folk just driving through or for the weekend)
think its great adverts online - on this page they have a advert - we know your address - for the tv licenses! - even better a big pizza hut advert next to mixu on the sports page!
4

nSyratzcGlaw,

17/03/2009 12:31:20
1) Simple, just dont pay up.

3) Would you like to form your own private army to deal with your simple solution ?
5

Ecto,

17/03/2009 12:31:51
Any Polish people wanna sell me a car?
6

nSyratzcGlaw,

17/03/2009 12:32:42
3 Ryan, that would involve about 5000 cctv cameras , 100 or more dedicated surveillance officers, a fast response team, not to mention the fact that it breaks basic EU protocols on freedom of movement.
.
7

nSyratzcGlaw,

17/03/2009 12:35:20
11,924 x 60 is 715440.

so 5000 of these are repeat offenders. "If" the figure isnt just pulled out someones ass.
8

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 17/03/2009 12:39:48
This has made my day!
9

Dunaskin,

Edinburgh 17/03/2009 12:42:12
Think twice about ignoring overseas parking fines. It might still be a criminal offence overseas, if not the original parking offence, then not paying up certainly could be. So if you go back to that same country and get stopped randomly by the police for some other matter, then you'll appear on their 'wanted' list and you'll be in real trouble.
10

Rambo The Jambo,

Tollcross 17/03/2009 13:22:01

It's not a case of the Council having to 'write them off'. They KNOW these fines cannot be enforced outside Scotland, but the Parking Wardens slap them on foreign cars anyway, to bump up their personal quota.

Wardens know the facts, they also know these can't be enforced.

11

104 years in a row!!,

Edinburgh 17/03/2009 13:26:40
I'm away to register my car in Poland!
12

NYC Hibee,

New York City 17/03/2009 13:31:38
why not just fine 4x4 users instead?
we pay for everything else!
13

Wee Keef,

17/03/2009 13:33:51
#10 - Wrong! Wardens can't tell which cars are registered and which aren't. Plus, we don't pay them to make that judgement. That ain't their job.

#3 - You might want to go right back to the start and think that through again. We'll wait .....
14

Salvatori,

17/03/2009 13:42:33
Bring all them foreigners back, and flog 'em in the Grassmarket. Preferably when the French Market is on - to send out a message.
15

Brian Ferrari,

17/03/2009 14:04:10
Easy. Tow away foreign vehicles parked illegally and get the parking fee AND the towing fee.

Or would that be a bit harsh?
16

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 17/03/2009 15:21:38
Foreign Drivers?? Is that people from Fife??
17

abracadabra,

Gorgie 17/03/2009 16:20:32
No 15 is the only sensible posting here.
The council have the power to impound the offending vehicles.
If the vehicle is displaying "Foreign" number plates or a suspect vehicle excise licence the vehicle can be imponded for further enquiry and the penalty paid at the pound
18

James (1),

17/03/2009 16:30:46
Make all vistors who bring a car into the country pay a deposit of say £100 minimum. Big car bigger fee. This is returned when they leave. Any fines would be deducted from that money. The government get the interest on the banked money before its returned and the various councils are paid when they submit a bill and the person forefeits the deposit. The government can also get to create yet another department and more red tape.
19

Agent 99,

17/03/2009 17:52:01
Here we go again. Further confirmation of just how inept our lawmakers are.

Most European countries routinely exchange info on parking and moving traffic offences. If you don't pay, on the grounds that the offence occurred outside your country of residence, eventually things escalate to a police visit. I don't know what happens after that cos I've paid up at that point.

This is clearly on the "too complicated" list for UK lawmakers; anything that smacks of cooperation with an outside agency (CIA/FBI excepted) is simply ignored because they haven't got the wit or skill to draft thorough and complete legislation.

Those idiots in Westminster take at least £100k /year (b4 expenses) off us and they can't seem to draft laws, any law, which doesn't resemble a piece of Emmental cheese.

Just to hammer the point home, look at todays disclosures on Barclays; they were simply interpreting the law which too is so complex and full of holes that they [seemingly] legally avoid paying quite a chunk of tax which the government thinks should be paid. Same problem, just a bit more money involved.

How many other examples can we think of?
20

Agent 99,

17/03/2009 17:56:12
[18] James, with a scheme of such absurd complexity such as you propose, you could have been the architect of the Family Tax Credit system.

There's probably a career waiting for you in the uk treasury.
21

Graham P,

Edinburgh 17/03/2009 18:01:54
#13: What stops traffic wardens and parking attendants looking at the number plate to see whether a vehicle has a UK registration?

For once the IAM are talking sense. Since cars can be freely moved around Europe, we need a system whereby the drivers can be done for offences committed anywhere in Europe. Either that or check each vehicle's registration against a database as it leaves, and if it has been used for lawbreaking, impound it until the fines are paid.
22

James (1),

17/03/2009 20:56:26
#20 I would agree its absurd but complex? Actually no it is not!
It may seem that way to you but that does not make it so. All it shows is you cannot understand how such a scheme would work.
23

Rambo The Jambo,

18/03/2009 08:15:54

# 13 Wee Keef,

WRONG

Just need to look at the number plate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOH!!
24

Simonedi,

18/03/2009 13:24:10
Why not simply record the details of each car and its owner(ie thir passport details and home address) coming off the ferry and issue a disk similar to our current road tax disk for the duration of their stay. Expired disks mean fines and towing, similarly the vehicle will be in a database so any fines can be directed stright to the owner.
Vehicles staying longer than say 1 month must pay road tax either by the month, 6 months or a year. Vehicles being brought over when someone immigrates must be gesistered both to their new address and their passport details.
just a thought

 

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