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Round one to Labour as SNP accused of hypocrisy over 'two jobs' jibe


GLASGOW EAST BY-ELECTION

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Published Date: 09 July 2008
THE SNP yesterday delighted its opponents in the race to win the Glasgow East by-election with its first serious mistake of the campaign.
John Mason, the Nationalist candidate, announced that his Labour opponent Margaret Curran would need to choose between being an MP or an MSP.

Mr Mason – who intends to resign his seat on Glasgow City Council if elected on 24 July – seemed to have forgotten that his boss, Alex Salmond, holds four jobs. As well as being MSP for Gordon, Mr Salmond is MP for Banff and Buchan, First Minister and leader of the SNP.

Last night the SNP MSP Sandra White accused Ms Curran of trying to "mislead" voters by claiming to have lived in Glasgow's east end all her life.

Ms White said the Labour candidate was known to have lived in the southside of Glasgow for several years.

The Nationalist MSP said: "For Margaret Curran to claim on national television that she has lived in the east end all her life is to mislead voters in a crucial by-election contest on only her first day."

Mr Mason's gaffe had been a welcome boost to Ms Curran as she officially launched her campaign yesterday. The Nationalists had been making the most of the fact she was selected as the party's fifth-choice candidate three days after Labour intended to announce who would be standing.

Mr Mason said: "Margaret Curran needs to decide – does she want to be an MP for Glasgow East or an MSP? Before anyone even considers voting Labour they should ask very carefully, do they want a full-time representative or a part-timer?"

Immediately, Labour accused the SNP of "breathtaking hypocrisy". Campaign manager David Cairns, the Scotland Office minister, said: "Alex Salmond must be furious at Councillor Mason's latest blunder."

Tory leader Annabel Goldie suggested Mr Salmond take his candidate's advice and resign his Westminster seat, too.

"I agree with Mr Mason," she said. "But what's sauce for Labour's goose is sauce for the Nationalists' gander."

The gaffe provoked frantic spinning from the SNP communications team, who claimed the First Minister "absolutely" agreed with Mr Mason.

A spokesman said: "Mr Salmond stood on a pledge in Banff and Buchan in 2005 to serve the full parliamentary term, and that he was running to be First Minister in 2007, and secured a resounding endorsement from the electorate, which is totally different to Margaret Curran's position in Glasgow."

The SNP claimed Ms Curran would have to decide between the differing opinions of Holyrood Labour and Westminster Labour. It issued a ten-item list of policy differences headed by an early independence referendum supported by Holyrood Labour but opposed by Gordon Brown.

Meanwhile, a challenge by Ms Curran to Mr Mason for a television debate turned out to be less of an ambush than it first appeared. Immediately after her selection on Monday night, she laid down the gauntlet which was eagerly taken up.

But The Scotsman has since learned the two already knew that the BBC was organising a debate between the four candidates from the main parties on Sunday's Politics Show at 1pm.

That will also include Liberal Democrat Ian Robertson and Conservative Davena Rankin.

In launching his campaign, Mr Robertson evoked the spirit of the Dunfermline by-election, which was won by his party, in claiming Glasgow East was not a two-horse race.

ANALYSIS

LABOUR finally managed to field a candidate yesterday in the fight which could well decide the fate of Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister.

And the first skirmish between Margaret Curran and her Nationalist rival John Mason was revealing in the way the campaign will go. The almost instant personal attack on Ms Curran, following her own challenge for a television debate, suggests that it is going to be a dirty contest between the main protagonists in this two-horse race.

However, the tactic also showed that the Nationalists are as at good making gaffes as Labour.

And, in the end, what may decide this epic tussle is simply who makes the least mistakes.

The full article contains 691 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

The Great Deception,

09/07/2008 00:02:35
Alex Salmond is an embarassment to Scotland.

Alex Salmond knows he will fail in Scotland and so is not burning his bridges, he wants all those yummy allowances back for when his chaffeur driven rides for 200 yards to a meal dries up in Scotland.
2

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 09/07/2008 00:06:24
What are you Maddox, a reporter or a Labore spin doctor. Time to make up your mind, son.
This story is daft.
3

The Great Deception,

09/07/2008 00:08:41
2

Are you talking about 2 jobs Salmond and the rank hypocrasy from his parcel of rogues being silly. I agree.
4

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 09/07/2008 00:09:11
Clearly plenty of people don't believe you highland old chap.
5

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 00:11:06
So let me get this right - she lies about where she's lived all her life and the Scotsman skims over it in favour of feigned Labour outrage - it is after all they who are the hypocrits for attacking Salmond all this time for his dual mandate.
Interesting that this Labour whinge was on the front page of their Scottish website until Sunday... when it strangely disappeared!
Also interesting that Curran's election website is nothing but negative campaigning - usual carping, sour grapes, misrepresentation and faked outrage - and not one mention of what she or her parasitic party are offering to Glasgow East.
6

ThomasP,

09/07/2008 00:11:10
The SNP were right to attack Labour.

Afterall, the SNP have suffered attacks for Salmond being an MP and MSP and now Labour are doing the same.
7

Sconglish,

09/07/2008 00:13:40
Scotsman delights in 'first serious mistake of campaign'. They should fire the copy editor after yesterday's edition, or get him on a wee course on the difference between its and it's. Actually, why am I blaming the poor copy editor?
8

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 09/07/2008 00:13:43
#5 and #6

No, you must be wrong and so must I. The Great Highland Mighty Deciever has enunciated. We must all bow down to his intellect, (hauf) wittery and insight.
9

Conan the Librarian™,

09/07/2008 00:14:25
Beautiful spin.
The Labour party have been complaining about the dual jobs of the First Minister(conveniently forgetting about Donald Dewar's)
Now when a Labour MSP is parachuted into a "safe" seat, any "sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" is "overlooked" by this fine organ's wonderful journalists.
10

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09/07/2008 00:15:33
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DouglasT,

09/07/2008 00:17:23
I don't find the politician of the year emabrassing, on the other hand I have been greatly embarrassed by Ms Alexander and several others in the Labour hierarchy in the recent past and I would have thought they were even more so to genuine Labour supporters.
12

Colkitto,

River Clyde 09/07/2008 00:17:58
Curran gets caught lying about being first choice candidate and where she lived in Glasgow.
Gets totally humiliated on the STV news report, and you say round 1 to Labour ?

Am I missing something here ?
13

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 09/07/2008 00:20:10
Let's examine the differences, for the sake of the Great Misconception poster above.

Curran:

"I've lived in the East End all my life. If elected to westmonster I may or may not at some point in time, mibbes aye, mibbes naw, give up Holyrood seat."

A'body else:

"Aye right. Try the southside; not only do you not know yir @rse from yir elbow, but there's NAE DANGER you'll be giving up msp seat and creating a further by election... FACT."

Eck:

Stood on a pledge in Banff and Buchan in 2005 to serve the full parliamentary term, and told everyone he was also running to be First Minister in 2007, and secured a massive endorsement from the electorate IN ADVANCE.

Totally different. Curran is only standing because (a) liebour are daffy ducked for anyone else to stand, and (b) she's nothing to lose as her MSP seat is due for abolition as I understand it due to boundary change issues.
14

Conan the Librarian™,

09/07/2008 00:20:48
8
Deus, Sextus non Germania, Latet anguis in herba.
15

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 00:21:08
#10 - as opposed to the idiots that have been so successfully in charge of the gradual destruction of Glasgow East over the last 50 years?

Come on you Labour lot - I challenge you to quit the bile, spin and negative campaigning and explain what exactly what you are going to offer the people of Glasgow East? Oh and why you haven't already delivered it in the past 50 years?
16

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09/07/2008 00:22:24
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subrosa,

09/07/2008 00:23:15
The matter is comment between the SNP and labour candidate surely. Why did Alex Salmond's name enter into it? Ah politics.
18

Senga Jean,

09/07/2008 00:23:28
Gaffe? I'll gie ye "gaffe". Labour's Curran has being going on an on about salmond having two jobs (Just like Ian Paisley..who also had the wit to leave open his options to speak in both houses as NI LEADER) Curran has no such excuse. Scotsman DIRTY TRICKS is all I see. Gaffe?
19

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 09/07/2008 00:23:58
"Meanwhile, a challenge by Ms Curran to Mr Mason for a television debate turned out to be less of an ambush than it first appeared. Immediately after her selection on Monday night, she laid down the gauntlet which was eagerly taken up.

But The Scotsman has since learned the two already knew that the BBC was organising a debate between the four candidates from the main parties on Sunday's Politics Show at 1pm."

Yep. Yon screechin harpie been caught oot again, tryin to play the hard wifie. The hypocracy is stunning; the lies and dissembling truly to be beholden.
20

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 09/07/2008 00:27:51
QUOTES FROM THE HERALD (NOT QUITE SO BIASED.)

"...my focus just now is on the issues that matter to the people - poverty, jobs, and regeneration."
SO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE AS AN MSP TO DATE?? NOTHING??

"I have lived in the East End all my life."
A LIE

"If you want a job done properly, ask a busy woman to do it.."
SEXIST

Has Gordon Brown endorsed your candidacy, has he called you? "Gordon Brown's a very busy man.."
(NO)

..issued a series of jabs at her SNP rival, John Mason, who she said was "not even interested in Westminster".
NO, HE'S NOT INTERESTED IN THE WESTMINSTER GRAVY TRAIN, ONLY IN THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THE EAST END OF GLASGOW

21

DouglasT,

09/07/2008 00:28:14
It has been well documented on earlier threads, with a proof link, that labourhome altered their website at the weekend to remove an item which attacked AS for holding posts of MP and MSP simultaneously. They also had to change their own rules to allow Ms Curran to be selected as candidate. Last time they changed political rules it led to the resignation of Ms Alexander.

Of course, they don't always seek to change rules ...

From The Times 4th July, 2008
Is your MP on the roll of shame?

The vast majority of MPs - 146 of the 172 - who voted to keep the second home allowance, which allows MPs to buy items on the "John Lewis list", were Labour, including 33 ministers. The list of Scottish MPs (all Labour) is:

Gordon Banks (Ochil & Perthshire South)
Tom Clarke (Coatbridge, Chryston & Bellshill)
Michael Connarty (Linlithgow & Falkirk East)
Ian Davidson (Glasgow South West)
Brian Donohoe (Ayrshire Central)
David Hamilton (Midlothian)
Jimmy Hood (Lanark & Hamilton East)
Adam Ingram (East Kilbride, Strathaven & Lesmahagow)
Eric Joyce (Falkirk)
Tommy McAvoy (Rutherglen & Hamilton West)
James McGovern (Dundee West)
Anne McGuire (Stirling)
Rosemary McKenna (Cumbernauld, Kilsyth & Kirkintilloch East)
Sandra Osborne (Ayr, Carrick & Cumnock)
John Robertson (Glasgow North West)
Jimmy Sheridan (Paisley & Renfrewshire North)
Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East)

22

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/07/2008 00:28:14
Personally, I would like to see an end to handbags at dawn political fighting and biased reporting.

Put it this way, if this is the ABC1 readership of Scotland then politicians and journalists have to stand up and take their share of the blame.

Then perhaps a retard automaton as a word censor would not be required for every post.

As it is, the very ones who should be bumped off these sites are the politicians and those who report on them.
23

Conan the Librarian™,

09/07/2008 00:28:19
16
Apparently, the apprentices are put on the night shift;-)
24

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/07/2008 00:31:27
re22.

But enough common sense. Come on John Mason - stick it up Curran, Maddox, MacDonnell et al.
25

A Better Way,

Republic of Scotland 09/07/2008 00:33:27
The Great Deception is well named by his London Controlled Labour Party. The truth and virtue of a Scottish Nation wishing to regain its right to determine its own future versus the continued management of the revolving Club of London Controlled New Labour, or the London Controlled Tory Party. Bit like a roundabout when you have been on it too long, it certainly makes you sick.

The Scottish Peoples right to govern their own land, is just a matter of time. Everyday more and more Scots are converting to the Scottish Way. Lets not leave it too long, because the 750 Billion guaranteed future Wealth that the Times said would make Scotland one of the richest Countries on this planet, is being stolen from us everyday.

Britain, as a world power is finished, they placed Gordon is a Moron on the end of the line at the photoshoot for the G8 Summit. Even they are facing up to the fact that Britain is a minor player, and is getting smaller everyday thanks to the New Labour wasting the newfound wealth provided by our Scotland.

The only hope for the millions of Scots living in poverty is Scottish Politicians, not more of the London Centric Tory/Labour roundabout.
26

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 09/07/2008 00:33:35
#23 Conan

Yep, that post disappeared as quick as in the old days of AM2. Oh well, point made.
27

Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 00:34:22

Call me old fashioned - but I think that the MAIN STORY here is the fact that Margaret Curran, the Labour Candidate, has LIED.

1. Living in a leafy suburb in the Southside, and has done for several years, but claiming to have lived in the East End all of her life!!

2. Being the FIFTH choice candidate (or even SEVENTH if you count the two makeweights on the original list) but claiming to be the FIRST CHOICE!!

28

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 09/07/2008 00:36:08
This Scotsman bias is plain to see in successive articles. Just look down the right hand side of the page and read the Scotsman headlines on the SNP. Shameful.
29

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 09/07/2008 00:36:10
Before turning in for some kip, let's remember why this election is being held:

From the Sunday Herald, 6th July:

"A Labour MP used almost £500,000 of taxpayers' money over six years to help run an office from his home which was staffed by his wife.

David Marshall, 67, who has quit to spark the Glasgow East by-election on July 24, used the expenses to pay for a constituency office and staff.

But Mr Marshall's office was in his semi-detached Glasgow home and he employed his wife Tina as his secretary. It is also believed he paid his daughter Christina to work from his home from the same pool of money.

A Commons spokesman said MPs can use their home as an office but only claim for additional costs like 'extra phone lines, heating and lighting'.

From 2001-2007, Mr Marshall claimed £91,000 incidental expenses provision, which is used to pay for constituency offices, plus £400,000 for staff and £11,000 for their travel expenses.

He listed only one member of staff on the Commons register - Christina Marshall. It was unclear if this was his wife Tina or daughter Christina.

Neighbours and political sources said his wife had worked for him - with Labour ex-Minister Brian Wilson saying that Mrs Marshall had worked for her husband as a constituency secretary.

Mr Marshall is said to be suffering clinical depression. Party sources said he felt 'under pressure' over the expenses allegations.

The family refuses to comment on why he spent so much on office expenses, why he ran an office from home and what family members were on his payrol."
30

McMadman,

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com 09/07/2008 00:37:31
And of course why magsie curran is standing (in addition to having nothing to lose as her msp seat is going anyway).

Independent on Sunday 6th July

"Labour's campaign to hold on to a parliamentary seat in Glasgow descended into farce yesterday, as, less than three weeks before polling day, the favourite to become the party's candidate withdrew from the race at the last minute.

George Ryan, a city councillor who was widely expected to be named as Labour's candidate in Glasgow East this week, stood down, citing "family reasons" after he missed a party meeting on Friday.

The announcement was made amid rumours that allegations concerning Mr Ryan's involvement in a housing benefit fraud several years ago – of which he was cleared – were to be revived during the campaign."

Nite all.
31

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 09/07/2008 00:40:31
why does Lord Geordie never get tackled over this two jobs situation or doesn't the House of Lords count?
32

Conan the Librarian™,

09/07/2008 00:40:49
26
Indeed it was.
33

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 00:41:36
#32 ... often wondered what that jumped up little idiot claims in House of Lords attendance allowances and expenses...
34

Conan the Librarian™,

09/07/2008 00:41:57
32
Evening ochone how are you doing?
35

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 09/07/2008 00:42:19
So why don't the Scotsman editors put up a fo'ee of Mad Magga's house.
I suspect it's a little grander than her adoring constituents live in.
Rather than her mythical East End digs. I wonder what other hypothetical skellies are in her closet.
36

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09/07/2008 00:44:16
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/07/2008 00:45:29
31 Conan the Viagran©®™, I live in a ground floor flat. Am I safe from this downstairs disease? Also, I have heard that coming down off viagra is pretty hard - is that true?
38

Conan the Librarian™,

09/07/2008 00:52:02
39
Jock, he tried to sell me viagra eyedrops...

To make him look hard.
39

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/07/2008 00:55:12
Ah, 40, the Viagran, you lead me onto the next bit of my summation of the article.

The comments I have made so far are about as relevant to the article as the article is to the voters of Glasgow East. The newsagents in Tollcross road had a sum total of 2 Scotsmans between them every morning at 0720 when I worked there.
40

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/07/2008 00:58:01
41, real Conan, I believe they are investing in viagra ear drops for students - so they p r i c k up their ears all day in classes. (retard automaton)
41

Bob Fae Fife,

09/07/2008 01:09:30
Waaa! Waaaa! Waaaaa!

If that’s all they can come up with to try and discredit the SNP its going to be a Loooooong campaign.

Big Bairns!!!!
42

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 09/07/2008 01:17:06
I don't know what all the fuss is about and it certainly does not appear to me to be a gaffe by Mr Mason.

Alex Salmond is my MSP although not my MP, but I know lots who have him as an MP and also both. We all know here in Aberdeenshire that his attendances at Westmister are only ocasional as his priority is attendance at Holyrood. We know the First Minister's priority is to Holyrood, but it is only reasonable to ask what will be Mrs Curran's priority - Will she attend Holyrood or Westminster when both are sitting simultaneously?

As the voting at Holyrood is generally knife-edged and dealing as it does with matters such as health, education and justice, (which are generally more relevant to ordinary people's lives than defence or foreign policy) I would imagine her presence will be more necessary at Holyrood than Westminster. I don't think she has said what she is to do. It is not possible to commit to attending both on a regular basis.
43

Andrew D,

BNE 09/07/2008 01:20:36
You know, you can barely see the Scotsman's colours these days with the amount of nails its put through it sticking it to the Labour mast.
44

Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

09/07/2008 01:22:20
How on earth does this author reason his case?

She lied about being a resident , She is 5th place candidate how is that victory? Has the author ever thought Mason is being ironic on the issue given her usage of it RE: Salmond.
45

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 01:26:50
A wee quiz folks. True or false:

1) Margaret Curran was the Labour Party's first choice as candidate for Glasgow East.

2) Margaret Curran said she was the first choice as the Labour Party candidate for Glasgow East.

3) Margaret Curran lives and has always lived in Glasgow East.

4) Margaret Curran siad she lived and has always lived in Glasgow East.

5) Stephen Purcell and Frank McAveety were out knocking the doors in Glasgow East last week.

6) After knocking the doors in Glasgow East last week, who declined to stand for the seat?

Stephen Purcell

Frank McAveety

7) Labour: Standing up for the East of Glasgow?

The winner will get a signed copy of Jack McConnell's autobiography: "Tony and Me: tackling poverty together."
46

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 01:28:45
#47, David Maddox is the Scotsman's Labour Hack. He writes all the anti-Local Income Tax stuff. Every now and then they trot him out. Or should that be Trot him out? Probably not. He's a Labour Hack of the Scotsman Tory ilk. Aren't they all.
47

Iainbroch,

Moray 09/07/2008 01:35:34
I not surprised to see the Oinkers back. The trough must be empty after Gordo and his palls emptied it at the G8.Not to worry though he will see all the little piggies are well stuffed with all those extra Oil revenues.
48

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 09/07/2008 01:39:03
Scotland has benefitted from having its First Minister being able to attend debates in Westminster!

Anyway, I know an easy solution to all this. Alex Salmond can resign his Banff seat and Margaret Curran can resign her Baillieston seat. There will be by-elections in both. Problem solved.

Do we have a deal?
49

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 01:42:45
Am I being paranoid here or does anyone else sense a pro-SNP bias in this article?
50

Edward,

09/07/2008 01:46:23
I find it hilarious that this paper has the headline 'Round One to Labour as SNP accused of hypocrisy over 'two jobs' jibe'
Has the reporter, who claims to be a 'Scottish Political Correspondent ' been asleep for the past week? or is it a case of just being lazy and just copying straight from the Labour breifing?
FACT 1 : Labour failed in choosing a candidate at the first, second and even fourth attempt!
Margaret Curran tried to make out during her first day in front of the press that she was first choice!. The Press shot her down on that one, when it was pointed out that she wasnt.
FACT 2 : Margaret Curran stood up on her box and clearly stated in front of TV cameras that ""I've worked in the east end all my life, and lived in the east end all my life." In fact she has lived in middle class areas of the south side for a number of years. (http://tinyurl.com/5mudbh)

So I would put it that the first couple of rounds have gone against Labour

As for ' The almost instant personal attack on Ms Curran, following her own challenge for a television debate, suggests that it is going to be a dirty contest ' Nobody needs to make any attack on Margaret Curran, suggest people view the above link from STV, she is quite capable of placeing her own foot in her mouth!
51

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/07/2008 01:54:34
Just a wee thought before I hit my scratcher.

I am wondering how the Scotsman will handle this by election.

Previous history shows them pretending impartiality until the final couple of days before polling, when they come out in favour of the baddies.
52

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 09/07/2008 01:57:03
Not to be outdone by Frances Curran of the SSP being at the head of the ballotpaper, Margaret Curran has decided to switch her names and will now be known as Anna Margaret Curran. Frances Curran retorted that two can play at that game and is shortening her name to Fran. "Fran and Anna" - It has a fine ring to it.
53

Edward,

09/07/2008 02:00:56
The 'two jobs' story is farcical to say the least
Its used by Labour to attack Alex Salmond, but when there own candidate is likeley , in the event of winning Glasgow East, will also hold two jobs, then Labour go all quite, then claim an SNP 'gaffe' when Labour themselves are attacked on this point.
The relaity of the matter is it should be put into perspective.
Alex Salmond was an MP first before he became an MSP and First Minister He is really doing nothing any different to what Donald Dewer or Jim Wallace did. Thats a fact, but a fact that diludes Labour. Alex Salmond has also made it clear that his job as First Minister comes first, but he has also made it clear that if there is ever a debate or vote in Westminster that is of importance , in which it will have an effect on Scotland he will attend to ensure Scotland's voice is heard. Alex Salmond also made a point that he would stand down at the next General election (he would have stood down at the end of last year, if Gordon Brown hadnt bottled it over planning the election for October 2007).
Now we have Margaret Curran, who is a sitting MSP, who should be placing that position first and foremost. But clearly considers the poistion as second to being elected MP to Westminster. Labour are desperate, they failed to get anyone else to be candidate. If in the event that Margaret Curran does get elected, the first thing she must do is resign her seat as MSP. Then Labour can have two Holyrood by elections at the same time, the other being for Jack McConnells seat, who should also be resigning as he is 'supposed' to be taking up the High Commissioner post in Malawi (but cant see that happening)
54

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 09/07/2008 02:08:46
56, Edward, think you will find that if Curran is elected - and there is nothing to suggest she won't be - she will be summonsed to Westminster whenever there is a crucial vote on.

For the most part Labour would be happy for her to stay at Hollyrood.

This might explain why Labour is playing the 2 jobs game. A diversion tactic.

55

a proud doonhamer,

Dumfries 09/07/2008 02:15:31
Mr. Maddox, please explain to me the following:

1) How does one become First Minister without being elected as an MSP?

2) How does one become First Minister without being a leader of your political party?

3) Has the Scottish Parliament ever had a First Minister who was not an MSP?

4) Has the Scottish Parliament ever had a First Minister who was not leader of their political party?

5) Is Gordon Brown, the current Prime Minister, not an MP?

6) Is Gordon Brown, the current Prime Minister, not the leader of his political party?

These questions, when answered, if you can answer them, put paid to your stupidity about 4 jobs etc.

and one more question,

7) How did a total fool like you ever get a job writing news for the Scotsman?

No need to answer, Mr. Maddox, the answer is obvious to everyone, for even the dullest amongst us can see the strings on your back leading all the way to John Smith House.

56

urban poacher,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 03:08:00
seems maddox is causing problems at board room level the mob wanting to take over johnston press don't like labour so there might be a few heading out.
57

FrancesP,

09/07/2008 03:13:49
58. Spot on. I'm surprised Mr Maddox didn't lump in the fact that Alex Salmond is also the Keeper of the Great Seal and a Privy Councillor (both of which also go automatically with his position as First Minister) to try and portray him as having six jobs. And doesn't he write the odd column about horse racing? So he's a journalist too, that's seven. Good grief, where does it all end? Is being a husband a job?

Harriet Harman, by the way, is Leader of the House of Commons, Lord Privy Seal, Minister for Women, Minister for Equality, Deputy Leader of the Labour Party, Chairman of the Labour Party, Member of Parliament for Peckham, a Privy Councillor and last but not least a Queen's Counsel. I make that nine.
58

Castaway,

09/07/2008 03:26:52
Margaret Curran was correct she was the first choice at the candidate selection meeting held on Monday evening.

Margaret was asked has Gordon Brown endorsed your candidacy, has he called you? "Gordon Brown's a very busy man," said Ms Curran, admitting that she had not spoken to the PM. "But I'm sure I'll get a call from him when I win," she added.

Will Gordon go and support her in person and will either/both of them explain to the voters why all this talk to fight poverty now (by-election taking place) in the east end of Glasgow when the voters live in a rich country like the UK.Co who can spend money on the Olympic games,Iraq and Afghanistan wars, 2 x new aircraft carriers, replacement trident missle system, soon a new generation of nuclear power stations etc.
Plus the UK.Co has so far received £250 billion in oil revenues.
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bring them on,

09/07/2008 03:35:01
They are all diddies trying to score stupid points against each other.

"Aye ye did"

"No I didnae"

Pathetic....
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FrancesP,

09/07/2008 03:50:08
61. "Margaret Curran was correct she was the first choice at the candidate selection meeting held on Monday evening."

Come on, that's an understatement. Let's put the scale of her achievement in context - she achieved a margin of victory not seen in 'democratic' politics since Kim Jong-Il swept to victory in the last North Korean general election.

However, the fact remains she couldn't possibly have been first choice when the decision was originally supposed to be made, because at the time she wasn't even on the shortlist of three. Question - if it had been one of the other two candidates (rather than the overwhelming favourite George Ryan) who had failed to turn up for the selection meeting, would the process still have been hastily postponed? Would latecomers still have been allowed a second chance to get on the shortlist? Answer - yes of course they would! This is the Labour Party, after all, where rules are applied rigorously, consistently, and without fear or favour. Obviously.

(Mind you, there was that cardinal rule about Labour MSPs never under any circumstances being allowed to stand as MPs, but that one doesn't count because it was 'suspended' long before Curran was added to the shortlist - well, a good ten seconds before, anyway.)
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Castaway,

09/07/2008 04:09:37
#63:That was wrote as a bit of political spin on my part, I wonder why she never used it ?
Margaret was asked - Why should people vote for you when you were the fifth choice of the party, came one question from the pack. "I am people's first choice and I believe I'm the best candidate," she replied.
The party's (Labour)National Executive Committee was repeatedly in conference calls over the weekend and approved an exemption to its rules allowing Ms Curran to stand for Westminster while an MSP.
So did the NEC rules forbid a Scottish Labour MSP to also stand for Westminster while still a MSP ?
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SilverShred,

in the jamjar 09/07/2008 04:49:14
Cannae tell her Southside from her East End?

Perhaps she's lost her moral compass?
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An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 05:16:49
"However, the tactic also showed that the Nationalists are as at good making gaffes as Labour."

That one sentence illustrates the quality of this article - pathetic.

Does this "quality" newspaper hire neds to report on politics now?
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An Beal Bacht,

09/07/2008 05:24:43
"Asked if she supported the war in Iraq, she replied: "I voted in the Scottish Parliament for us to have a second resolution at the... em... United Nations, um, em, and that's what I'll be doing. Thank you."

And that is labour's offering to Glasgow East - god help us all!
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Scythia,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 05:41:57
In the immortal words of a famous American comedian..


" ..The ethics of politicians are about one notch below child molestors."


Reading this just confirms it.
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Argyll on line,

Inveraray 09/07/2008 06:33:24
Just how biased can The Hootsman get?The lead story on Scotland Today last night was Curran blatantly lyimng about having lived 'all my life'in the East End. The programme showed shots of her long time residence in the South Side.A very substantial first round to the SNP in fact.
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 09/07/2008 06:44:10
oxo and bisto both battle over margaret curran to front there new promotional campaign in the west of scotland
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09/07/2008 07:00:40
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donald,

glasgow 09/07/2008 07:14:42
This contrasts deeply with Maggie Maggie's live interview on TV, where she came across as a bumbling idiot unable to give simple straight answers to Bernard Ponsonby's simple questions about where she lives and where Iraq was.
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Tynietiger,

09/07/2008 07:36:22
Round One to SNP particularly if you watched STV news last night.

Ms Curran mislead voters by claiming to have lived in Glasgow's east end all her life.

The Labour candidate was known to have lived in a leafy part of the southside of Glasgow for several years.


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LEAL,

09/07/2008 07:39:29
Does Margaret Curran support a referendum on independence?
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Linda,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 07:54:40
Mrs Curran's voting record on behalf of Glasgow East...
17th April 2008 - Voted against scrapping the Council Tax which soared
by 60% under Labour before the SNP froze it.

• 20th March 2008 - Voted to hamper councils building new council houses
by not restricting right to buy legislation which has seen council house
building plummet. Between 2004 and 2006 a grand total of only 6 houses
were been built by Local Authorities in Scotland.

• 28th February 2008 - Voted against scrapping the graduate endowment
tuition fee for students.

• 6th January 2008 - Failed to support a freeze on the Council Tax.
(Abstained)

• 6th January 2008 - Failed to support record spending for local
authorities. (Abstained)

• 6th January 2008 - Failed to support reducing prescription charges - a
tax on the ill. (Abstained)

• 6th January 2008 - Failed to support 1000 extra police officers on
Scotland's streets- there will 750 extra in Strathclyde. (Abstained)

• 27th September 2008 - Voted against new patient rights.

• 14th June 2007 - Failed to oppose billions being wasted on weapons of
mass destruction.

• 27th June 2007 - Voted to spend half a billion pounds on a tram line in
Edinburgh - money which could, in part be spent on key transport
objectives in Glasgow
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Upbeat,

09/07/2008 07:56:57
Breath taking hypocracy ? : " A spokesman said: "Mr Salmond stood on a pledge in Banff and Buchan in 2005 to serve the full parliamentary term, and that he was running to be First Minister in 2007, and secured a resounding endorsement from the electorate...."

The People of Scotland have not been consulted as to whether they wished a 'part time' First Minister. Despite the SNP duplicity of the "Alex Salmond for First minister" dodge, on ballot papers,( which confused so many people ) It was by no means clear to the general Scottish electorate that Alex Salmond would prove himself so complacent and self important, lacking in respect for the standards of public life , and so distrustful of his colleagues, that he would decline to give up some of his other commitments on becoming First Minister for Scotland.

We see consequences of this meglomanic grasping of every power some 6000 miles south in a certain region of Africa also.

He should
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 08:04:37
Any more word on that cesspit of corruption, Glasgow City Council and their official handbook, HALLS OF INFAMY????
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 08:07:23
#74 LEAL

She'll need to ask her Dear Leader, Comrade Broon.

He's jaunting around the world pretending to be a statesman at the moment eating 18 course meals.

Life is good in New Labour Sleaze!
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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 08:13:41
"Most Labour voters think Gordon Brown is a 'loser'"

The headline from the Times
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Skyrat,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 08:16:55
It's Labour who are the hypocrites. After publicly slamming Alex Salmond for not resigning his Westminster seat after he won Gordon to become an MSP, they now put forward a candidate who will be doing just that if she wins. They're a joke.
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 09/07/2008 08:17:25
And the Daily Record have resorted to lifting quotes from other papers online quotes.
From my quote on the Herald
"Posted by: Colkitto, River Clyde on 11:42pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Strange how it happened when the SNP election launch was the headline news.....
From today's Daily Record
"Meanwhile SNP hardliners claim a fire alarm which kept Reporting Scotland off the air on Monday was a unionist plot.

One supporter on an online blog said: "Strange how it happened when the SNP election launch was the headline news."

Labour MP Tom Harris laughed: "Perhaps Lord Lucan was involved, too."

Just for the record (and Daily Record) I'm not a member of the SNP


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Jimmy the Pie,

09/07/2008 08:23:33
The article headline is a wee bit out is it not, David Maddox???

Round 1 went to the SNP when Von Ryan did a runner.

Round 2 went to the SNP when Purcell knocked back 4 pleas/commands from Our Dear Leader.

Round 3 went to the SNP when Father Cairns made his appearance in the campaign.

Did you go to the same school as Hamish???
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inkster,

09/07/2008 08:27:48
All the SNP have to do is put a few large posters of Brown and Thatcher at the door of No 10 round the locality.

After all a picture is worth a thousand words.

'The phrase came to be used widely, in the UK at least, during the Conservative Party's 1992 election campaign. The Tories used a poster to undermine the Labour Party. It contained the text "Labour's Double Whammy" and, on the boxing gloves, "1. More Taxes" and "2. Higher Prices". The poster proved to be a highly effective part of the campaign for the Conservatives - who won the subsequent election.'

After all what's sauce for the goose...
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donald,

glasgow 09/07/2008 08:32:59
Borders Books Glasgow were out of the 'Halls of Infamy' book yesterday. Maybe the copies were bought up by corrupt Labour Cooncillors before the public got their hands on them.
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The Honest Lad,

Musselburgh 09/07/2008 08:34:24
All very boring. Ultimately they are all as bad as each other. No trust left in politics.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 08:38:12
Upbeat nonsense when he/she says "The People of Scotland have not been consulted as to whether they wished a 'part time' First Minister."
Ballot papers with Alex Salmond for First Minister received the hihest number of votes last May despite Lord (two jobs) Foulkes and unionist opponents harping on for months before complaining about Alex Salmond's two jobs.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 08:42:06
The great deception is that the former MP for Glasgow East, who stood down allegedly because of "ill health", has paid the incredible sum of £500,000 in "wages" to members of his family out of his parliamentary expenses for allegedly carrying out "administrative" work on his behalf!

Meantime, his constituents are amongst the most socially and economically deprived people in Western Europe!

English journalists could not believe that, in the 21st Century, people still lived in such bleak conditions in an area of Glasgow totally devoid of the usual amenities of life, and could not understand why there were so many boarded up houses and areas of waste ground? Driving around the schemes they were also baffled as to why there were so few cars parked in the streets until it was learned that parts of the constituency have the lowest car ownership in the UK!
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Mikey,

09/07/2008 08:47:43
Why no comment by Labour (or the SNP) on the sitting member's financial proclivities?
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jacquesmac,

with faux-cu 09/07/2008 08:55:04
And, in the end, what may decide this epic tussle is simply who makes the least mistakes.

fewer mistakes, tut, tut
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 08:56:01
Re: "hypocrisy over 'two jobs' jibe".

The only hypocrisy on this comes from SLAB who have banged on for the past year about Salmond holding an MP/MSP position. Only to remove the criticism from their web site when Margaret "eastender" Curran was persauded by her Labour superiors that having a dual MP/MSP role was perfectly OK after all.

I expect The Northbritishman to be one of the chief cheerleaders for Margaret Curran, so not suprised in the least to see how they're setting about that task.
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Union is Best,

09/07/2008 09:10:11
I too have lived in the east-end of Queens Park all my life.
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boudica,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 09:12:36
McMadmann ..Alec Salmond claimed £ 815.692 Expenses from 2001 till the 2008 ..Can you honestly say that none of that cash went to Family and Friends ? he has been claiming over £130.000 each year since 2002..not including his paycheck ...I think it is about time we asked why in the lasy year when he has hardly been in Westminster why his Expenses bill was still so high ..and how much of that cash as went the Way of Duck Feed ...haha....
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ExpatNI,

09/07/2008 09:16:11
I think the SNP won the first round when they put forward their first candidate for this election and liebour took three days to finally talk their seventh choice candidate after the previous six shot the nest frightened of sleaze allegations. This story is clearly Liebour spit by a clearly labourite journalist hack
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Teamdroid,

09/07/2008 09:18:03
Sorry Scotsman, but the first gaffe of the campaign proper came in Margaret Curran's very first interview. She claimed to have lived in the East End all her life, but unless Glasgow's East End now incorporates some of the South Side's leafier suburbs, that's a flat out lie.

And of course, the hypocrisy over the two jobs issue cuts both ways: otherwise, how come all material on Labour's website criticising Salmond on this very point disappeared over the weekend?
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AJ Fife,

09/07/2008 09:21:56
Typical anti-SNP story from the Scotsman!

Does anyone know why the Scotsman keeps it's name, as it certainly doesn't trumpet the interests of 'proper' Scottish people!?

How about suggesting some new names for the rag?

How about the Daily Vommit!
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M.Corleone,

2nd Vatican State...... Coatbridge 09/07/2008 09:22:43
#1
The embarrassment is in not being able to spell embarrassed correctly....2 r's and 2 s's....looks like you made an r's of that eh?...bit like Big Hen Ballooon and Wendy Bendy Toy and Margaret "where does she actually live" Curran.
Must be murder for the wummin when she gets lost going home at night !!
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boudica,

Glasgow 09/07/2008 09:25:54
All that the Oppostion need do his Put Alec Salmond comments acroos the Union Jack and Mason will be run out of the East End...
92 as I have said before there were Area`s in Glasgow that had priorty over the East End ..Those Area`s are now more or less sorted and money was spent in the East End trying to keep the Tenaments up to scratch because of the kick off when most of Glasgows Historical Building were demolished in the 60`s and as we all know Thatcher wasnt to keen of giving Labour held seats much cash for regeneration or do you also wipe out the damage done by variou Tory Governments over the last 50yrs and you will find many new houses with in the East End and now they have priorty ( Due to Labours support to get the Commonwealth Games and Fighting against the Natz trying to block SportScotland relocating there ..they also have the Finances to do so )so the Future looks Bright for the East End ..and not sue to anything from the Natz ..