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Published Date: 28 January 2009
ALMOST a third of people in England think Scotland receives more than its fair share of government cash, a survey revealed today.
The latest British Social Attitudes report found 32 per cent of people in England felt that was the case. That compares with a total of 22 per cent in 2003, revealing growing concern about the amount of public spending north of the Border.

And th
e report's author, Professor John Curtice, warned that unless action was taken, the issue could "prove a flashpoint for the Union".

The 25th British Social Attitudes report also found 61 per cent of people in England thought Scottish MPs should not be able to vote on English legislation – the so-called West Lothian Question.

Despite that, the research, published by the independent social research organisation NatCen, found only a minority opposed the current devolution arrangements.

Just 18 per cent of people in England were against the idea of Scotland having its own parliament, while 20 per cent were opposed to the Welsh Assembly. And there was a small drop in the number of people in England who want Scotland to leave the Union. A total of 19 per cent of people in England wanted Scotland out of the UK, compared with 21 per cent in 1999.

Meanwhile, 57 per cent of people in England think the country should continue to be governed by Westminster, rather than by an English parliament.

And 55 per cent of people in England said the establishment of the Scottish Parliament had made no difference to how well Britain was governed, with 50 per cent stating they trusted the UK government to look after England's interests "just about always" or "most of the time".

Commenting on the report, Prof Curtice said: "There are signs of a growing reaction against the levels of public spending enjoyed by Scotland and the issue could yet prove a flashpoint for the Union unless it is seen to be satisfactorily addressed."

A Conservative spokesman said: "Spending in London and Northern Ireland is greater than spending in Scotland. That's the message that many people south of the Border still have to hear."

Another part of the survey revealed attitudes in Scotland to involvement of the private sector in public companies.

It showed a general lack of enthusiasm for the use of private companies to run public services – in Scotland only 11 per cent thought private firms should be allowed to run state schools, while 17 per cent felt they should run NHS hospitals.

These findings will cheer the SNP administration, which is opposed to the use of private companies in the public sector but other findings gave a different picture.


IN NUMBERS

32%
of English people say Scotland gets more than its fair share of cash (22% in 2003).

61%
think Scottish MPs should not be able to vote on English legislation.

18%
object to Scottish Parliament.

19%
want Scotland out of UK.

57%
think England should continue to be governed by Westminster.



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  • Last Updated: 28 January 2009 12:30 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The union
 
1

webwise,

Scotland 27/01/2009 21:27:20
Despite knowing that Scotland was in fiscal surplus, the Unionists persistently labelled Scots as 'subsidy junkies', anyone remember the ever increasing 'black holes' that appeared in the headlines of this and other Scottish papers recently?

That the propaganda has filtered South should come as no surprise.
2

webwise,

Scotland 27/01/2009 21:36:49
Now, how do best address this perception?

Well, full fiscal autonomy would be a step in the right direction. Independence of course would render the result of this poll as totally redundant.

The Union is almost certainly an anachronism, it serves neither of the Union's members. Independence would allow the countries of this island to forge a new partnership, leading to a mutual respect.

The increased representation at European level would enhance our influence in those areas where there was agreement and allow us to vote as we wish when there is disagreement.

A partership where one side is perceived to be 'scrounging' or 'bleeding' the other is unsustainable. Sooner or later this feeling of unfairness will manifest itself in unfortunate acts of violence, especially in time of economic strife.
3

Arrow,

edinburgh 28/01/2009 00:21:21
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/10(1).pdf
is an interesting web site in that it is government issued and shows that in terms of per head spending London and Scotland are neck and neck in the government spending per head. the English newpapers lump England in as a single unit whereas for Statistical purposes in is divided into Regions and of all of the English regions London gets by far the largest share. it is not the Scots that are draining the money from England but the black hole of London.
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28/01/2009 00:24:27
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

28/01/2009 00:31:08
Hopefully the number of good English people who wish Scotland to be independent will increase.

Let us be good neighbours in the British Isles rather than Landlord and Tenant.
6

Stan Butler,

28/01/2009 00:35:54
#4 jwil

'Can they actually call themselves Scots?'

Well if they're Scottish and they want to call themselves Scots then I don't see why not.

Unless of course your one of those nationalists who regard only certain people as being true Scots. Like the German nationalists in the 1920s ,30s and 40s. They were a bit selective about who they regarded as true Germans.
7

Billiam Wallace,

28/01/2009 00:43:41
#6 And you are a bit selective when you interpret other posts. You know fine well that jwil meant that such people have sold their souls to the devil and are traitors to Scotland. They may still call themselves Scots but would you want such a traiterous quisling living next door? You might but I wouldn't.
8

Billiam Wallace,

28/01/2009 00:48:05
#8 Absolutely. If the SNP were found to be against the interests of the Scottish electorate, I wouldn't vote for them. I also believe that the SNP as it is at the moment will cease to exist after independence and that we would see the formation of a number of Scottish parties across the political spectrum so rubbishing Alex Salmond is a bit of a useless exercise as he is unlikely to be First Minister or Prime Minister of Scotland for long after a successful independence vote.

Saor Alba
9

Stan Butler,

28/01/2009 00:48:34
#9 Billiam

'traitors to Scotland.'

German nationalists regarded the communists and the socialists and the jews and the gypsies and the gays as traitors to Germany.
10

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28/01/2009 00:52:35
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Andrew Horton,

28/01/2009 00:55:10
How ironic that a Scottish newspaper article on the *British* Social Attitudes report should focus almost in its entirety on what the English want.
12

Stan Butler,

28/01/2009 00:55:27
#12 jwil

What would you do with them?

How would you deal with them?

What is your solution?
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28/01/2009 01:04:34
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

28/01/2009 01:08:49
#14 Stan Butler

You know fine well the answer is....

Hold out your hand and help them from their Knee's where they currently live hands out to London for English gold and instructions.

We will embrace our fellow citizens and help them through the trauma of having to think for themselves.
15

Brian Hill,

28/01/2009 01:20:35
32%
of English people say Scotland gets more than its fair share of cash (22% in 2003).


Then cut us loose and let us 'stew' in our own juices... PLEASE!!!
16

Brian Hill,

28/01/2009 01:30:29
#10 Billiam Wallace says:
If the SNP were found to be against the interests of the Scottish electorate, I wouldn't vote for them.

Of course. The SNP is simply the vehicle which takes us to Independence. Once we are there we stay with this vehicle or switch to any other non unionist bus (there's bound to one in the early days of Independence).

Equally if our bus begins to veer off course as the Nu London Labour bus has so dramatically then we should either switch buses or dump the driver and get someone who is going to where we want to go.

Right now the SNP bus is speeding along the motorway with driver Salmond doing a splendid job of navigating the numerous obstacles strewn across the road.

OK, Enough! Vote SNP.
17

Embra Don,

28/01/2009 01:32:13
# 14 Stan Butler
We will pour deserved derision upon them and out-vote them.
18

Embra Don,

28/01/2009 01:37:31
I notice that the Unionist press up here have gone a bit quiet on the PFI subject now that its collapse makes a mockery of criticism of the SNP for not using it. There have been some excellent pieces in the Guardian recently.

Come out and talk about it Rufus, AM, SM
19

frank mcbride,

lusitania 28/01/2009 02:06:22
Was this another Opinion Poll?

"The British Social Attitudes Report" can tell us how the English feel about Scottish Independence, but not how the people of Scotland feel about Independence.

Is there something going on in Scotland that Westminster does not want people to find out about?
20

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28/01/2009 03:10:52
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Billiam Wallace,

28/01/2009 04:11:09
#22 Charles, what? Explain in grown up English.
22

Ewan Randall,

28/01/2009 05:40:53
Why are the English not Educated in the workings of the barnett formula?

Don't the English not know the Barnett formula is worked out per region, including different English region, due to need?
23

Ewan Randall,

28/01/2009 05:51:11
(#5) – (Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,) –Did you know that if the polls on this subject were right then if the vote for our independence was left in the hands of the English then we would become independent, and yet strangely we wouldn’t vote for it ourselves?

Isn't that an education in itself?
24

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 28/01/2009 06:04:52
Roll on Referendum Day, the result of which will be that we the SCOTS will not have to put up with anymore english INSULTS... INDEPENDENCE AT ANY COST!!!!!!!!!!
25

Longdirk Maceth,

NZ 28/01/2009 07:08:11
26 spot on mate!
26

Jimmy Le Pie,

28/01/2009 07:31:40
Well, the English should be happy to see the back of us when we regain our independence?

More drivel reporting.
27

eric,

28/01/2009 07:34:28
The english know thats its the Scots labour party thats always bumping on about the defunct union, out with the begging bowl.They think theres nothing wrong with wanting to stand on own 2 feet at all.And really quite like this mr salmond.
28

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 28/01/2009 07:37:15
Firstly:- Did this British Social Attitudes Report only interview English people, as all the items mentioned in the article seems to indicate?
Secondly:- If a third of people in England think Scotland receives too much money then that means two thirds do not! Which is a hefty majority.
29

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 28/01/2009 08:19:47
Yeah, it's about time we took matters into our own hands and started using our "hand outs" to create more cash.

It's that or we continue to sit on our hands and bleed the treasury dry.

Mind you, £32bn block grant is a mere drop in the ocean compared to what the government have been handing out to all and sundry so I guess Westmonster or the treasury has plenty of cash spare. What's £32bn to secure votes?
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an interested party,

28/01/2009 08:27:51
I wonder what they think on the money Cornwall gets, or Norfolk or in fact anyone else not them

do they think that the 2012 Olympics is good value for money and evenly spread around the country (whilst we all pay for it)

Pound to a penny the question was asked
Do you think Scotland gets to much money?
with no actual figures attached

31

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 28/01/2009 08:30:33
Ach, it'll be off the back of the collapse of the RBS. Because it has "Scotland" in it's title, everybody will automatically assume that the £28bn bailout has headed all to Scotland.

Where in fact, it has headed to 29 other countries as well including 140,000 worldwide staff (which will include very much England).
32

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28/01/2009 08:56:39
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Wardog™,

28/01/2009 09:20:29



CUT THE BUDGET THEN

WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR?
34

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 28/01/2009 09:28:29
Glad to see the Unionist propaganda in Scotland is begining to work against them in England.

I agree with all of the poll results, except the 18% objecting to Holyrood.

Keep it up, keep it up.

Here is a scenario for you. The UK economy get so bad that England blames Scotland because of Maggie Brown and Darling, and demands that Scotland leaves the Union - and deports all Scottish MP's and Peers.

God bless you Maggie Brown.
35

Brodric,

28/01/2009 09:36:58
The media is in part to blame for its sensationalism in spouting that Scots are subsidised to a greater extent than others in the UK.

Add this to the SE England attitude which is anti- towards all parts of England and the UK, except themselves.

London is, as no 3 (Arrow) says, the black hole devouring vast amounts of cash.

Despite the oil, we remain without basic infrastructure - yet London gets all it needs and more, to the detriment of the rest of the UK.

So long as cash is bestowed in vast quantities on the areas with heavy populations, more rural areas and areas like Scotland with smaller populations, will always be the losers.

Cut us lose - but give us our divorce settlement.
36

noswod,

Honestas 28/01/2009 09:53:45
We get £1610 per head each year, spent on our public services than those doon Sooth. Scotland probadly has this level of extra spend since the 1920's. This is something we should keep our mouths shut aboot otherwise our £33bn per year Scottish budget will be cut to around £28bn if it was on an equitable basis. You can use your eyes to validate this assumption look at NE, NW and SW and you see a society that has been starved of public expenditure for 2 or three generations. Scotland runs at a loss, with a bank bail out of at least £250bn and collapsing economy it runs at an even greater loss however you add the numbers up. So lets learn tae keep oor mouths shut and heeds doon and keep banking Whiteha's cash. Without the largest of Whiteha, the increased level of NHS spend and the disproportionate defence spend we would really show Iceland how to be a load of fisheeds.
37

salmondella,

UK 28/01/2009 09:59:55
Many people, mostly NATS, will not be that bothered about what the English think. They would be badly mistaken. To create change, which must be for everyone in the UK, you must have unity among all the peole who have the power to change things- working people in Scotland, Wales, England and NI.

Nationalism and the rhetoric of its leaders against the rest of the British state only serves to break up that unity and is self defeating for the many people across the UK who want fundemental change and the smashing of the British state.
38

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 10:17:07
CyberGnats, don't you just love them? Same old, same old every day.

Blame those Scots who don't vote for them, blame the dastardly English, blame Westminster, blame John Curtice when for once he produces conclusions which don't fit with the Gnat orthodoxy, blame the media, blame Labour, blame George Foulkes' cat, in fact blame anyone but themselves.

Just wait for independence and the ethnic cleansing to begin. Only Scots of "pure blood" will be welcome in the new Gnat Scotland. Re-education camps for all those whom, by having the temerity not to bow down before King Smug and his zealot disciples, lose the right to call ourselves real Scots.

Freeeedom! Aye, right - free to think and do what we're told by the MacTaliban. Made to wear a red star on our coats maybe.
39

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 28/01/2009 10:31:02
43

So you agree with the poll then and that you opine Scotland is getting too much money?
40

Boab1,

28/01/2009 10:56:25
The whole problem is that, in general, English people aren't overly interested in what goes on in Scotland. Therefore they get all their 'info' from the press. This leads to them believing, as my wife's father did, that extra money was given to Scotland to pay for subsidised care for the elderly. He seemed genuinely surprised when I told him that the money came out of the existing budget and no extra cash was provided.

Fortunately my wife has become more clued up and isn't backward in correcting the lies pedalled by the English press.
41

oder,

Scotland 28/01/2009 10:58:27

"ALMOST a third of people in England think Scotland receives more than its fair share of government cash, a survey revealed today."

almost three quarters in Scotland don't!

The 25th British Social Attitudes report also found 61 per cent of people in England thought Scottish MPs should not be able to vote on English legislation – the so-called West Lothian Question.

almost 100% in Scotland agree Scots should not vote on English matters it is not a Scottish problem its a English problem, Scotland having had to put up with a Westminster Question for 300 years they well know and understand this,it should be resolved by the English parties rather than being used as a bone of contention or vote catcher for politicians! all this will do is increase resentment in England and anger in Scotland! to Westminster MP`s who exploit this situation for whatever reason you endanger the very Union you seek to protect.

"England said the establishment of the Scottish Parliament had made no difference to how well Britain was governed,"

the Scottish Parliament was establish for the people of Scotland and they think it has made a difference!
it should not be seen that what makes good government requires English only approval in this Union of equals.
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Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 10:58:59
#44 - So you consider that putting words in my mouth which I clearly did not say is a legitimate debating tactic?

Nowhere even in the Hootsman story does it say that Scotland is getting too much money. It says that research suggests that a growing proportion of those south of the border have a perception that we do.

Subtly different, not that King Smug and his acolytes really do subtle.



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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 28/01/2009 11:11:13
You consider your debating skills a legitimate tactics too?

Don't be so silly. Slinging personal insults to those with thier own ideology is not legitimate but a sign of a pretentious madman.

Now, answer the question, if you have the guts. Do you thing the Scots get too much money from the Treasury?
44

Dan,

Englandshire 28/01/2009 11:13:58
You'll probably find where ever the survey was carried out, the respondants felt THEIR area deserved more money than Scotland.
Problem with the English press is that ANY statement or action that could be conveivably spun as being nationalist made or taken by any Scot is taken as being an attack on the Union as a whole, regardless of the actual content of said statement or action.

If I were asked, I'd happily be in the 19% wishing Scotland well on her independance, and to be honest, if they want it, the same with the Welsh and Northern Irish.
We're not the vast globe-spanning empire we once were, (the Falkland Islands & South Georgia may be on the other side of the world but that's not the point), so the concept of a Union in it's current form is irrelevant.
The big question really is what should replace it?
45

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 28/01/2009 11:16:20
49

What WILL replace it, is the question. And that is another greater Union. The European Union.

In order to join the Union to best advantage, Westminster recognises that we must hang together as the UK. Scotland recognises that in order to get best advantage for us, we are better off outwith the UK.
46

salmondella,

UK 28/01/2009 11:22:39
#50 United we stand - divided we fall.
47

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 11:22:39
England has 85 percent of the UK's population.

According to the UK Government website, various factors are taken into consideration when deciding on the amounts allocated to the English Regions.

However, in 2006-2007 the allocation of Barnet per head was England £7121 per person; Wales £8139; Northern Ireland £9385, and Scotland £8623.

England has 85 percent of the UK's population. In 2006/2007 the English Regions had a colossal £378 billion!

England, which is broken down into 9 Regions, received Per head of population:
London £8404
North-East £8177
North-West £7798
Yorks and Humberside £
48

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 28/01/2009 11:23:39
51

Rather out moded saying since we no longer have an Empire to build.
49

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 11:27:35
England's share of Barnet Cont................
Yorks and Humberside £7188
West Midlands £7065, and the 4 remaining regions in the South-East, the richest part of the UK, all receive between £6K and £6.5K.

The London figure does not included the Central Govt, MoD and NHS budgets.
50

Dan,

Englandshire 28/01/2009 11:34:37
This is it, Westminster wants the best for itself, not for Scotland, not for Wales, not for Northern Ireland and ironically, not for England either.
The current situation is self interest over national interest.

I don't think the European Union is what's best for England either, certainly not in it's current form, and to be honest, Scotland joining the European Union would be swapping one Union of inequity for another, only difference is it would not be the Auld Enemy pulling the strings, but Paris or Berlin, via Brussels instead. However, seeing as I am English, (and an English Nationalist to boot), I recognise that what I think about Scotland's future holds about as much water as a 6" seive with a 6' hole in it.

Unfortunately, short of a revolution, I can't see anything changing in the near future.
51

Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 28/01/2009 11:39:44
The solution is
INDEPENDENCE FOR ENGLAND START WITH AN ENGLISH PARLIAMENT
52

bill-alba,

fife 28/01/2009 11:42:45
If you get all your information from the English and Scots press then of course you think that the Scots are getting too much money..if however you stand back and think about it yourselves you can clearly see that we don't..as for the comments from the britnats on here who keep on saying that the Gnats will only allow pure bred scots to live here..you are just being very very very silly but keep it up everytime I see your comments make me laugh a little bit more.
53

DaveK,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 11:43:11
The Irony being that a vote on independence amongst Scots would be a close run thing, still likely to be a no at present. Open that vote up to the English, it is a Union, you could argue, and that would hand Scots independence on a plate! Salmond’s missing a trick here.
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The Answer,

Glasgow 28/01/2009 12:20:37
"54 Mr. Lachie Todd,Edinburgh 28/01/2009 11:27:35"

Barnett formula

Yorks and Humberside £7188
Scotland £8623 "

Incapacity benefit claims by region country etc

Yorkshire and the Humber (Y+H)

Y+H same size population as the scotch, also a basket case like scotland, yet by your own figures get's £1,500 less handouts than the scotch.

Handouts count as gdp..

London population 7.5 million, 50% larger population than scotland, but has only 7% more IB claiments than scotland....


Anyway from the DWP , Male incapacity benefit claiments..

230,000 N West
177,000 London

165,000 Scotland

138,000 W Midlands
137,000 S East

136,000 Y+H








tinyurl.com/562r43

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Dunfesterin,

28/01/2009 12:30:03
"The Irony being that a vote on independence amongst Scots would be a close run thing, still likely to be a no at present."

Says who?? Are you running the opinion poll?

Screw the English and rebuild Hadrian's wall, then we'll see who the subsidy junkies really are.

When they're short of troops to fight their wars and their gas and petrol costs start to rise they'll realise who the real subsidy junkies are.

The English media are doing Scotland a favour by casting us in this ill light.
56

The Answer,

Glasgow 28/01/2009 12:34:06
#60

read post 59, fact's not myth's....

Nobody force's the scotch to claim benefit's, but it's a sad fact that more scotch claim benefits than do English..
57

Dunfesterin,

28/01/2009 12:43:23
What does employment rates have to do with being independent?

We're all going bankrupt anyway! In fact, I read England would be behind POLAND in the list of richest countries.

Would you not rather be POOR than dependent on someone else to give you their hand-me-downs?

Do you really want the ID cards that the English are going to get?

Do you really like our troops being dragged into illegal wars based on dodgy dossiers?

Do you really like MPs with their snouts in the trough?
58

The Answer,

Glasgow 28/01/2009 12:44:09
Job Seekers allowence (white males)

67,000 N West

47,000 scotland

46,000 Y+H (same size population as scotland)

46,000 w Midlands
39,000 S East
32,000 East
31,000 N east
31,000 E Midlands
30,000 London
25,000 S West

DWP WebSite

tinyurl.com/be5ovf
59

Calum Crubag,

28/01/2009 12:48:33
So, two-thirds DONT think we get too much money. Usual negative cac from Hootsmon wanting to stir up anti-English feelings which they'll then blame on the SNP.

Seems that when it comes to base hatred of others, the Brit Nats are the worst.
60

Dunfesterin,

28/01/2009 13:09:00
The Hootsmon doesnt need to stir up anti-English feeling.

Go read the Daily Mail comments and see what our English chums really think of us!

Yes I know the Mail is a nazi-supporting newspaper, but still, their views seem to represent "middle England" .... pure bile

61

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 28/01/2009 13:25:09
If 30% of the pommy b@stards don't like it, then here's a suggestion.
Why not kick us out of the union. The sooner the better.
Our oil, of course. Even though it's not worth a heck of a lot these days.
Otherwise, suck it up buttercup. That's the cost of maintaining the "U" part of the UK.
Scotland will hold the English empire ransom for as long as it takes. Our Eck is preforming a masterful job of it, by the way.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 28/01/2009 13:33:27
This debate will run and run but I doubt if ANY Westminster government will ever abolish Barnet or amend it in favour of the majority of wealthy English Regions, especially London and the South-East?

Labour, Tory, and Lib-Dem politicians avoid this discussion and no matter how much the Right-Wing media
stir up this argument they know that Barnet is the price that England must pay for for the continued partnership of the Celtic Nations in this unitary State!

Should ANY future government decide to drastically slash the Celtic Nations share of public spending then such a proposal could well endanger the Union more than
any amount of constitutional change.

Irrespective of the current financial downturn, according to the OECD, the World bank and the IMF, stand alone England, is still one of the wealthiest nations in the world!
63

The Answer,

Glasgow 28/01/2009 13:36:21
"#68
Scotland will hold the English empire ransom for as long as it takes"

8% is scotlands % of the UK population

but

7% is scotlands contribution of new fulltime university undergradutes 2008.

For every 13 new fulltime undergraduates 2008, 12 came from the English education system, but only 1 from the scotch system..

I suppose your going to out educate the English!!!!

UCAS WebSite

tinyurl.com/cvuzer
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Stan Butler,

28/01/2009 13:39:37
#67 Dunfesterin

The people who comment on the Daily Mail site are simply the English equivalent of the cyber gnats.

Honestly, you're like a mirror image of each other, equally pathetic and narrow minded.

65

Nevsky;,

Moscow 28/01/2009 13:47:55
71 Stan#

Fro what i recall you spend most of your time trying to equate the SNP with Nazism...so for you to berate Daily Mail readers is quite laughable isn't it?

Nice to see you taking such a high, moral tone though! Pity that does not extend to your intelligence!
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Dan,

Englandshire 28/01/2009 13:49:40
#70
Scotch system? Is that education with Whiskey?
In the meantime, the Scots system is turning out educated undergraduates...
:p

In practice, if Scotlands proportion of the UK population is 8% and is turning out 7% of graduates, that's not bad at all, as you'll have English, Welsh, Northern Irish, other EU countries and non-EU countries also in that percentage.
It immediately removes any spin from Herr Mittel Englander that the Scots establishments are not pulling their weight at the least.
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The Answer,

Glasgow 28/01/2009 14:04:33
#73

The scotch produce only 7% of UK new fulltime undergraduates 2008.

1% of England domiciled fulltime new undergrauates 2008 elected to study in scotland.

yet

6% of scotland domiciled fulltime new undergraduates 2008 elected to study in England.

UCAS WebSite

tinyurl.com/cvuzer
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Dunfesterin,

28/01/2009 14:11:01
I may be an SNP supporter but I am no Nazi... if anything, the Labour party are most similar to the Nazis for it was Tony Blair who adapted the ethos of Goering's statement, "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

ID cards, terror alerts, Iraq War anyone?

The only reason our union has lasted so long is because the UK government was able to suppress each nation's utter dislike for each other, by controlling the media.

Now that we are in the internet age and able to read people's uncensored opinions, it is plain to see the English resent us. We don't want them to run our country, they don't want to subsidise us (even though we all know its the other way around. How much money does subsidising a small nation need, compared to its larger neighbour??)
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The Answer,

Glasgow 28/01/2009 14:57:29
"75 Dunfesterin,28/01/2009 14:11:01

they don't want to subsidise us (even though we all know its the other way around"

8% is scotlands share of the UK population, do the maths for gods sake.

Y+H same population as scotland gets by on £7.5 billion less handouts than the scotch, it (Y+H) has 100,000 less public sector workers than scotland, and Y+H manages to have less white male unemployment than the scotch..
70

Nevsky;,

Moscow 28/01/2009 15:04:00
76 Answer#

Scotland is not comparible to Yorkshire so why compare it?

Scots subsidise Birmingham in that case with the worst unemployment in the UK...and Liverpool and Hackney and Grimsby and Hull..why should hard working Scots pay for the laziness of the English?
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The Answer,

Glasgow 28/01/2009 15:42:39
"#77

Scotland is not comparible to Yorkshire so why compare it?

Scots subsidise Birmingham in that case with the worst unemployment in the UK"

So in your little scotchlander mind you want to be compared to b/ham and all the other places with a large muslim population, and where the dole is a lifestyle choice...



Job Seekers allowence (white males)

67,000 N West

47,000 scotland

46,000 Y+H (same size population as scotland)

46,000 w Midlands
39,000 S East
32,000 East
31,000 N east
31,000 E Midlands
30,000 London
25,000 S West

DWP WebSite

tinyurl.com/be5ovf
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57vintage,

The neglected NE 28/01/2009 15:50:21
#8 That is probably the most sensible post I've read on here in months. Take a bow sir or madam.

#43 Ghengis
"wear a red star on our coats"

Some of us already do.

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57vintage,

NE 28/01/2009 15:53:11
#75 Dunfesterin

"each nation's utter dislike for each other"

Count me out of THAT, chum.

Only bigots have dislike for their neighbours based on nationality.

"I am no Nazi"

I've no doubt you're not, but your comment might cause readers to wonder.
74

Nevsky;,

Moscow 28/01/2009 15:56:33
79 Answer#

Because it is the same 'population' does not mean it is equal in terms of demographics does it? Or does this point completely by-pass your little brain?

Muslims are not part of your England i see, interesting!

But to play your little game:

'In Birmingham Ladywood, which is represented by Clare Short, the former Cabinet minister, one in four men is out of work, with overall unemployment running at 19.3 per cent'



75

Lianachan,

Highlands 28/01/2009 16:05:30
#61, #74, etc.. THE ANSWER

SCOTCH is a drink, not a group of people you eejit. When used to describe Scots, it is generally regarded as being highly offensive.
76

Nevsky;,

Moscow 28/01/2009 16:15:42
79 Answer#

The figures you quote are from May 2008!!!! They are also an 'ethnic' breakdown by region which suits your racist rantings in general.

Try an find some more up to date figures for us there's a good little BNP supporter!
77

Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 28/01/2009 16:21:53
#62 jaydeetee
I am on about having an inepenndent ENGLISH parliament.You say "effectively" what do you mean by that? all the SCottish MP,s vote on English matters only and we are unable to do any thing about this dictatorial lot because they are not elected in England
AsI have previously said I have no argument withj Scotland or the people what want is our own Parliament.
78

The Answer,

Glasgow 28/01/2009 16:30:37
#84

hehe, when the fact's hurt fall back on the word racist!

But it wont change the fact that male white's in scotland are more likely to be on benefits than white's in England...

51 Million population England
5 Million population scotland

Income Support Males

633,000 England Domiciles
84,000 scotland Domiciles

England would somehow need to find another 210,000 claiments of income support to reach parity with the scotch!

DWP WebSite

tinyurl.com/6mg5xu

79

Daveunderwater,

Auchter Turra 28/01/2009 16:38:42
On the subject of Scotch, I wonder how much revenue Westminster rakes in from Scotch Whisky?

And I wonder if there is any revenue collected from Black Pudding? VAT?
80

Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

28/01/2009 16:44:16
86 The Answer,Glasgow 28/01/2009 16:30:37
#84

51 Million population England
5 Million population scotland

Income Support Males

633,000 England Domiciles
84,000 scotland Domiciles

England would somehow need to find another 210,000 claiments of income support to reach parity with the scotch!

--------------------------

Without checking you selective statistics it does seem to show that the Government of the UK shows a serious preference to the people of England in how they manage unemployment.

Thank you for the confirmation that we really need to get out of this Union and manage our our issues.

----------------------

As for the reference to Scotch. You know fine the difference.

Scotch is what your Wife Drinks drinks from a glass

Scot's are who are lining up to take her up the ....
81

Nevsky;,

Moscow 28/01/2009 16:52:42
86 Answer#

I am afraid you are completely wrong as according to the government in january 2009 the National unemployment figure is standing at:

http://www.hrmguide.co.uk/jobmarket/unemployment.htm

6.1%

Scotland's is 4.8%


You are completely and utterly wrong! Time for you lot to pull up your socks and start contributing instead of the Scots paying for you beer and fags, teenage pregnancies and English football shirts!


82

The Answer,

Glasgow 28/01/2009 17:52:33
#88

How did you know my wife is a scotch slapper?

£8,302 billion Total Alcohol Revenue

of which

£2,374 billion Total Spirits Revenue


1,187,375 hectolitres of alcohol taxable

of which

296,336 hectolitres whisky (24.96% of total spirits revenue)

891,039 hectrolitres of imported and other spirits etc (75.4% of total spirits revenue)

Total revenue from whisky

£584 million

of which based on scotland's population @ 8% of UK population:

£46.72 million from scotland

UKTRADEINFO

tinyurl.com/5bhox7



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The Answer,

Glasgow 28/01/2009 17:57:24
#89

89 Nevsky;,Moscow 28/01/2009 16:52:42


hmmm, I bothered to check your link, no reference scotland or the scotch, repost the correct link..

Try harder next time....
84

Nevsky;,

Moscow 28/01/2009 18:03:29
90 Answer#

You are still wrong. Scotland has more people employed per head of population than the rset of the UK.

You seem now to have changed tack and are talking about whisky revenue?

Why exactly are you running around chasing your tail for more meaningless statistics and whisky revenue? Numbskull!

85

Nevsky;,

Moscow 28/01/2009 18:05:56
91 Answer#

Type in Scottish Unemployment..there are even stories on the figures today. The link i posted was to the overall UK figure..so once again..

UK 6.1%
Scotland 4.8%

You have not the faintest idea what you are talking about...your selective figures were from March 2008!!!!

Fool!
86

The Answer,

Glasgow 28/01/2009 18:07:21
#89

As you don't seem to be able to pull down official data, I will provide you the link to latest labour market figures:

tinyurl.com/cxy6qb


Bear in mind the scotch public sector size is 23%, whilst the public sector size in England is only 18%.

To give England parity with the scotch for public sector workers, England would need to employ another 1 million in the public sector.

The scotch with 5 percentage points higher public sector workers still manages to produce unemplyment figures only 1.1 percentage points below England (5.2% against 6.3%).

87

Nevsky;,

Moscow 28/01/2009 18:07:55
91 Answer#

So clearly the Scots are proping up the English unemployed and by a whopping amount!
88

Joe the Plumber,

Ohio 28/01/2009 18:12:27
Ahhh, The Answer, you cowardly obnoxious piece of garbage. Thought I'd seen the last of you, didn't you used to poison the comment boards of The Herald a while ago.

You went by another pseudonym then, you certainly weren't from Glasgow.

Still boring the world with your selective statistics from tinyurl.com I see. How about telling us where your really from so we can pass judgment on your region.

89

The Answer,

Glasgow 28/01/2009 18:13:30
#93

N Ireland seems to be doing very well, unemployment much better than the scotch at only 4.2%.

But 30% of the N Ireland workforce is in the public sector, another basket case like scotchland..

Page 35

tinyurl.com/cxy6qb
90

The Answer,

Glasgow 28/01/2009 18:15:15
"95 Nevsky;,Moscow 28/01/2009 18:07:55
91 Answer#

So clearly the Scots are proping up the English unemployed and by a whopping amount!"

Actually using your mindset, it's N Ireland propping up the rest of the UK.
91

The Answer,

Glasgow 28/01/2009 18:16:46
"96 Joe the Plumber,Ohio 28/01/2009 18:12:27"

ohhhhhhh, fact's hurting your little scotchlander mindset??????????
92

Joe the Plumber,

Ohio 28/01/2009 18:39:17
Again The Answer, you cowardly obnoxious piece of garbage.

Being American I can not say that I have a Scottish mindset.

I can say that my nation (even though you are to yellow to tell us all where you are from) is far superior to yours in terms of economic and military power.

I'm sure tinyurl will point this out to you.

If you want us to come and save you from the Germans again don't be afraid to ask. We might even give you a loan like we did after WW2 to stop your pathetic little country going bankrupt!!!!!
93

Nevsky;,

Moscow 28/01/2009 18:47:42
98 Answer#

Your initail point was that there are more in England employed per head of population...you are wrong..it is in fact more Scots who are employed.

Therefore, it is a simple fact that more Scots are contributing in tax take than their English counterparts (per head) who are in truth taking more money from the public purse.

Therefore Scottish workiers are subsidising the English..it's quite simple!

What is a surprise is the umeployment blackspots which are mostly in England..Liverpool, North East, Leicester (the worst), Hackney, Hull, Grimsby. Birmingham (16.9%) and parts of Yorkshire.

One thing is for sure in England...the south is paying for the North!

Are Londoners happy paying for the 'whippet' classes incidentally?
94

Eve,

Scotland 28/01/2009 19:46:27
Really growing number of people in England think we get much money from Westminster. Really do they think we should give Westminter money and get on money back.

As pointed out exestly by the SNP the Scottish Parlement has no bank account and realse on the account for the Westminster to look after the money.

This result is meaningless "18% object to Scottish Parliament." Cause we the Scottish Nation waited ages to get or devolled parlement and now that we've got it, we don't want to lose it.
95

Eve,

Scotland 28/01/2009 19:58:13
#5 Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,28/01/2009 00:31:08:
"Hopefully the number of good English people who wish Scotland to be independent will increase.

Let us be good neighbours in the British Isles rather than Landlord and Tenant."

Aye good point
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Brodric,

28/01/2009 23:41:08
Anyhow, this is not just about per head of the population - we have to service the land on which we live with infrastructure and so on. Scotland has 78,772 sq km of land, with a population of just over 5 million, which means that there is 0.2 sq km per head of the population. Whereas England, with a population of 51 million, has 130,395 km2, which means there is only 0.0026 sq km per head of the population.

It is evident even to a blind person that we cannot count people like sheep in a field. The needs of the people have to be met. In rural areas in Scotland you can see that there is underfunding, lack of infrastructure and so on, because the funding is given per capita. Whereas in London, the funds given - per-capita - are so huge that they really and truly have too much compared to what they need, given that the surface they live in is more compact in terms of the density of population living there.

Give us more.
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Lianachan,

Highlands 29/01/2009 11:10:35
#101, etc. - Nevsky
You're wasting your time. The Answer has shown, by his repeated and wilful use of an offensive term in order to provoke, that he is merely a troll. Such behaviour is one of the staples of trollery.

 

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