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Published Date: 08 June 2008
BORIS Johnson sparked an angry cross-border row last night by claiming Londoners resent "forking out for things in Scotland".
The newly elected London Mayor – who is notorious for his controversial outbursts – added that Scottish politicians, including Gordon Brown, were treating the country in an "inequitable" way.

Johnson's remarks reopened the long and bitter argument about whether Scotland is subsidised by the rest of the UK.

Labour and Tory politicians have questioned whether an independent Scotland would have the cash to go it alone, while Nationalists have insisted that Scottish oil is keeping the UK afloat and would be enough to sustain an independent Scotland.

In a newspaper interview yesterday, Johnson said of residents of London and the south-east: "They're forking out for things in Scotland and you've got Scottish MPs, the Prime Minister and Chancellor, who are treating the country in an inequitable way."

But Angus Robertson, SNP Westminster leader, said: "When Boris Johnson gets up in the morning, he should thank his lucky stars that Scottish oil revenues are keeping the London Treasury afloat. And at bedtime, he should express his gratitude to the rest of the country for the Lottery good causes money being diverted to fund the London Olympics.

"Now that Boris is elected, it's time for him to get real. Public spending per head is higher in London than in Scotland. Even his predecessor, Ken Livingstone, eventually realised the error of his ways and accepted that Scotland subsidises the UK exchequer. Educating Boris in financial reality might prove more difficult."

Lib Dem MSP Robert Brown said: "I hope for the sake of his readers that Mayor Johnson's newspaper column is more accurate than this interview. He should know better than recycling Ken Livingstone's dodgy claims."

A Scottish Labour spokesman said: "Obviously Boris's old habit of insulting people across the UK has not left him. He is talking nonsense and he should apologise for his ridiculous remarks."

No one was available for comment from the Scottish Tories.

A spokesman for Johnson claimed that the remarks should not be seen as an attack on the Scots.

He said: "Boris Johnson is keen to keep his manifesto commitment to the people of London to ensure that they will not be short-changed. He is concerned that the Chancellor and the Prime Minister might hold back on funding the upgrade of the Underground and significant infrastructure projects such as Crossrail. He understands that if that were to happen, many people in London might feel resentful. Boris Johnson has only warmth and admiration for the people of Scotland."

Johnson defeated Labour London Mayor Ken Livingstone last month, despite the Tory being initially written off as a gaffe-prone figure of fun by many pundits.

The full article contains 460 words and appears in Scotland On Sunday newspaper.
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1

Angus Ogg,

07/06/2008 22:10:55

I am kind of ambivalent towards the Union and am not a full on Nationalist voter yet, but after the creep Livingstone a seemingly intelligent man uttering anti-Scottish garbage, now we have the Eton Clown opening his mouth with brain disengaged.

If only the Labour and Tory machine politicians but realised, the more of this tripe that comes from their idiot politicians, the more that Labour and Conservatine lose their grip on the floating voters that once voted for their parties, and kept them in office.

Methinks that David Cameron is a neutered version of Boris Johnson. Gordon Brown is bad, but Heaven help us if we get Tory Boy Cameron.

Livingstone quote.... "We need Crossrail to keep London's economy ticking over so that we can continue to pay for the Scottish to live the lifestyle to which they are accustomed". What an ar5e, good riddance.
2

Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 00:08:10
Another nail in the coffin of the Union:-)
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 08/06/2008 00:28:42
It makes the Cameron quote at the Scottish Conference seem like utter nonsense now. "We will govern Scotland with respect" Ha ha ha ha ........Roll on the Tory victory at the next Westminster election...So we can finally get rid of these numpties !
5

Nikostratos,

08/06/2008 00:30:36
That Boris I would never ever ever vote for him ever .He's a smooth talking son of a bit'h............But i might sleep with him........
6

Nikostratos,

08/06/2008 00:38:27
#6

Rising oil prices.dic'wit
7

moral___superiority_,

08/06/2008 00:41:58
Where is that SNP bore Senga Jean?

She always gets first post.

Fingers crossed she has been banned.
8

Dave C.,

08/06/2008 00:50:52
Aberdeen has always had fishing, and nowadays it also has oil. Glasgow exists because of building ships, sewing machines, etc. Birmingham makes bicycles, cars, etc. Sheffield makes cutlery and fine steel. Leicester makes shoes. But what is London for? Answer, it is for being the centre of government. It is a great swollen pus-filled lump of a place with no reason for existing other than government. It was already too big, and a drain on the rest of the country, when it was just the capital of England. Then it became the capital of the United Kingdom, too. Then it became the capital of the British Empire. And although the Empire is gone, it remained a hugely important financial capital, the centre of the Sterling Area. Nowadays, it is ranked along with Tokyo and New York as one of just three "world cities" which drain the rest of the world's finances. But it doesn't actually DO anything. People in London either work for the government; or they work for bodies supposedly independent of the government (but not really), like the BBC; or they work in the offices of company headquarters which are there because the Government is there; or they work for Banks which are there because the government is there; or they work for public relations firms which are there because the government is there; or they work for global capitalist outfits which are there because the government and all these other things connected with government are there; or they work for service industries which are there to service the people who work for the government and the people who are there because the government is there; or they work for service industries which are there to service the people who work for service industries which are there to service the people who work for the government and the people who are there because the government is there; and so on....I lived in London for twelve years, working as a bricklayer. Well, you might think, a building worker, an honourable trade. But did
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Dave C.,

08/06/2008 00:54:45
Okay, so that post got cut because it was too long. Here is the rest of it: I lived in London for twelve years, working as a bricklayer. Well, you might think, a building worker, an honourable trade. But did I ever, in that twelve years, actually work on building ANYTHING that would have needed building if the government had not been in London? Probably not. Take away government and bureaucracy and global capitalist headquarters and there is no reason for London. Never let anybody from London tell you that they subsidise ANYTHING. The entire city is totally dependent on government handouts of one kind or another, paid for by the rest of the UK. As for the taxes which people in London pay to the government, well, like the Bible says, "we give thee but thine own".
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 08/06/2008 01:04:42
I love Boris. If I lived in London I would have voted for him...... He just says what he thinks, luckily for us he knows next to nothing about the politics and finances of the Union.

Dear Boris will unwittingly be a contributing factor in the break up of the Union.

Equally it might be a Tory plot to get rid of Labour Scotland.
12

Tiree,

Vancouver, Canada 08/06/2008 01:19:36
What more could you expect from Batty Boris?

The voters would have been better off with Dick Whittington and his cat on the ballot.

And Boris would be a shoe-in as a commedian on 'Just for larfs' :)
Tiree
13

Cincinnatus,

Edinburgh 08/06/2008 01:31:52
Boris is merely a representative of the Tory party at large, it's absoulutely fantastic that this buffoon is in office.

The Scottish Tories are doomed:-)
14

Al Ford,

Insch 08/06/2008 01:43:07
Who can be bothered any more even noticing all this nonsense about Scotland being subsidised by England? It is too too puerile, not least when it comes from Boris Johnson.

Who cares what English politicians think? Too tedious.
15

Richardinho,

08/06/2008 01:54:48
Boris is a complete disgrace to the role of Mayor of London; He's not even heard of the Olympics!
16

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 08/06/2008 01:59:12
“Boris Johnson has only warmth and admiration for the people of Scotland."

We shall all rest much easier in our beds tonight knowing that.

17

Senga Jean,

Scotland 08/06/2008 02:22:24
#10 I wish you would stop flirting with me . I told you yesterday that I have to work for a living. And we working girls cannot always be on this site at the crack of dawn. Now back to the boring bit,I think Boris is beginning to look like a better recruiting Sergeant for the SNP than Livingstone ever was. Roll on to INDEPENDENCE!
18

glassbenmhor,

08/06/2008 06:03:25
Well done Traquir,

Do not worry these two newspaper will be taken over, I suggest to you within two years Johnstone Press know full well the game is up both politically and financially, at present they are just being bloody-minded.

This in the new light of things to come will actually be a blessing, for in Scotland after the first year of deliverance there will be absolutely zero for Unionists to sanely argue for.

More thanks is also needed as this new dawn will include all of Scotland unlike Ireland's recent history with the dreaded "Free Staters" an the horror of Civil war.

However I am somewhat nervous as to the financial future of England, which looks grim indeed.This thought leads me personally to ponder her outcome, here we will maybe see a three way split South East,South West and North to the very firm strains of "Ode to Joy" and the EU.

Either or, very interesting times just around the corner
19

Jimmy the Pie,

08/06/2008 06:20:27
Excellent postings Traquir.

The Scottish press has been truly shocking in their biased reporting.

They deserve all they're going to get!
20

john z,

edinburgh 08/06/2008 06:57:37
Well done Traquir. It is just a pity that you have to do THE JOB INSTEAD OF THE PAID JOURNALISTS at the Scotsman and Herald.

Why are the Scottish media behaving like communist pravda?? If I had the cash, I'd buy one of them, and let it actually report the news, not just pro-unionist propaganda.

Memo to the London Mayor: It's about the oil, stupid.
21

JT,

08/06/2008 07:16:50
It was only a matter of time when Boris had a go at us from the ivory tower. Like most of Londoners they dont give a dam about anywhere or anyone else and are so insecure that they purge anything outside the M25. Boris should stick to the comedy. Comments like this will add fuel to the independence fire. Its simple for Boris and all these people who believe we are sponging off the state, we stop paying money into the purse, you stop taking it for the olympics and let you get on with it.
22

eric,

08/06/2008 07:29:31
Who,Well whoever he is forgets that londoners and S,E actually get more per head per person than Scotland,and N,I gets most,dont forget to mention london games is being subbed by lotto and guess who spends most on that,errrm.oh and where does londons oil come from silly little man from a very dirty city.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 08/06/2008 07:30:18
In many free market economies there are restrictions on the foreign ownership of news media.

You can not have a Newspaper or Broacast License in Canada or the United States unless the majority of shares are owned by a citizen of that country.

Perhaps when Scotland becomes independent we can have similar laws to prevent our media and public debate from being hijacked by foreign interests.
24

fife runner,

08/06/2008 07:37:18
so billions spent on new Jubilee Line and now the olympics is not subsidy?
25

JayJay,

Right here 08/06/2008 08:24:41
There is little point attempting to persuade the likes of Boris that the view of London as centre of the universe is flawed. Creating envy in London over perceived unfair distribution of UK taxes to the region presumably is designed to take Londoners eye off the ball.
Perhaps they might start asking questions about the "financial powerhouse" of the City. A place where hedge fund managers and investment bankers indulge in an orgy of greed, paying themselves billions in bonuses, then run cap in hand to the Treasury when the world they created blows up in their faces.
In Boris's crazed world, where the gospel "truth" of the Telegraph and Evening Standard is all you can trust to fire up the handful of braincells you own, things like Crossrail (£16bn plus), the Olympics (probably £20bn) and the Jubile Line (£5bn plus) are "national" projects and absolutely not London subsidies.
These cretins should try driving up here on our sumptuous and tree lined "motorways" before allowing their belly to rumble. Subsidies? There must be a black hole over Glasgow because I don't see any dosh flying through my letter box.
26

darrener,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 08:56:41
Mayor of the Subsidy Junkies criticises Scotland.

Oh, the irony.
27

darrener,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 09:00:10
Public spending per head

London £9748
Scotland £9631

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2007/nov/03/scotland.devolution


The man is a fool, but then we knew that already.
28

Son of Loki,

The Dark Side 08/06/2008 09:08:53
n a newspaper interview yesterday, Johnson said of residents of London and the south-east: "They're forking out for things in Scotland and you've got Scottish MPs, the Prime Minister and Chancellor, who are treating the country in an inequitable way."

I lived and worked in London for a year. The poulation of the south east of engerland has no knowledge of anything north of the Watford Gap. In fact they have no knowledge of anything that isn't home counties related.

If the mayor of London isn't happy because he thinks the Engish subsidise the Scots when in actual fact it is the other way around, what is he going to do about it?

Whatever mad Boris does I'm sure it will be received as derisively as what he says if anyone can make him out!

Stay alive people, it's the only way to live

Loki Jnr
29

Upbeat,

08/06/2008 09:15:12
Typical journalese being used to spin a story out of a casual remark.

The quote attributed to Boris Johnson was a real one. It apeared in the Daily Telegraph yesterday. The context in which it is now being " spun" is dishonest.

Mr Johnson simply voiced his opinion cocenring the attitude he notices among many Lomdoners towards Scotland and the Scottish MP's that sit at the head of the Government.

Mr Johnson has not claimed anywhere that this is his personal opinion.

The Scotsman editors should recognise the distinction bewteen these two positions, and wake up. There is no need to create a dishonest story in this way.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 08/06/2008 09:16:34
Unfortunately, Boris Johnson is a garullous embarrassment for the Tories, and a godsend for the Opposition parties, especially the Scottish Nationalists!

Every time he fails to engage his brain before opening his mouth the results are usually comically disasterous
but it's fairly obvious that he likes nothing better than to cultivate the persona of a likeable bufoon!

However, his present outburst may have more to do with distracting the media from the the fact that widespread SLEAZE has once again raised its ugly head in the Conservative Party?
31

Upbeat,

08/06/2008 09:19:56
Notice how many of the posts above have no idea what the Scotsman is refering to at all,. Few who have been so vociferous above appear to have read the Telegraph article at all. Instead they are attacking Boris Johnson here in this thread because the Scotsman has given them leave to by implying that they should ...! How blinkered is that ?
32

Kenny A,

08/06/2008 09:24:50
46

Good point but his timing is superb in thr fact that the poice are investigating a number of cases in relation to innapropriate spending by the mayors office. Fair enough it was in Livingstones time but it was money squandered to seriously obscure and pointless organisations. Oh by the way it was tax payers money so that means a chunk of it would have come from Scotland.

He is not a stupid man but I am delighted at the way he continues to put his foot in it. Makes the Tories look stupid, out of touch and biast and keeps the legacy and memory of Thatcher alive.

Following his comments he has reduced the Tories chances in Scotland which were minimal anyway. He is realy a fool as he has exposed the myth of London subsidising everyone again when the are big style subsidy grabbers.

Cheered me up did this. Looking forward to the next blunder.
33

Mike555,

08/06/2008 09:28:23
Pity Thickwit Boris does not understand how Scotland's oil has kept UK Plc afloat for the last 35 years. He should just shut up now and get on with the job of running London.
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Ananurhing,

08/06/2008 09:30:44
Wondered how long it would take the most powerful Tory in the UK to have a pop at the Jocks! And before an election too. Well done Boris! Cameron must be squirming. It was only a matter of time before his Mayoral loose canon went off.
However, who cares! This is just smoke and mirrors from the Hootsman on Sunday.

Applause for Traquair!
Superb posts on the REAL story of the week/ century!
I thought McCrone was very coy on the programme regarding his input in the 70's. Wonder why? In his report, he states regarding the potential of massive oil revenues that " Thankfully, the public are unaware".
So between his coyness on TV, and his timing in flagging up his hidden "oil fund" report, we have to wonder, has he had a change of heart? I doubt it.
Maybe he's aware that his McCrone report is about to become a major issue, and is trying to re-assert some credibility in anticipation! When will we see his "oil fund" report?
The Scottish media should be ashamed of themselves smothering this story. COMPRADORS the lot of them!
MacCrompradors even! Hang your heads alongside your credibility! You're a disgrace!
35

Upbeat,

08/06/2008 09:52:57
# 49

You may wait days , you may wait weeks you know that.

What we need to be sure about is that the stories newspapers publish are truth based and never "spun" inuendo.

The opinions of many Londoners towards Scotland is exactly what Mr Johnson claimed it to be. This is because it has suited Newspapers and a certain political party in Scotland to create a feeling of distrust between the two areas of Britain. This hard done by feeling can be built up by Journalists because it sells newspapers. The truth is out there somewhere, unfortunately the Truth is not very important in the eyes of today's celebrity era of self seeking journalistic hacks..
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 08/06/2008 09:54:04
Monetary reform sounds a very worthy but boring read compared to any sex, slease, and football elsewhere in the paper. Think again. We lurch into Economic duress
- Enslavement by debt - Sources of terrorism - The single currency - World banking - Interest rates
- The truth about money.

"The trouble with money is, that money is not really money." - Eddie George.

And that's about as much as the Bank of England will tell you about its workings. All else is the secretest of official secrets.

Whoever controls the currency of a nation controls that nation. Pretty much. So Scots could devolve away like demons and even gain full off-shore terretorial rights. But without our own currency and knowing how to manage it oil money will not (much) be spent on scottish infrastructure.
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A. Puschkin,

Edinburgh 08/06/2008 10:04:44


Dear Boris

Did you ever learn of the swiping of Welsh water which meant the building of a massive dam in Wales... for Liverpool's water supply? Payment to wales + ?

and

You must have heard of the profits from Scotlands Oil going into UK coffers ?

if not... go and do your homework!

38

Ananurhing,

08/06/2008 10:07:46
Boris has just been on TV, prattling on about a sci fi story in a debate about terrorism.
A link between42 days, and 42 being the answer to life the universe and everything!!!!!!!!!!!!
" The erm..erm....home office churning out..erm....meaningless....erm....erm."
Cutting wit and incisive insight? Aye right Boris!

The man looks and sounds like he's permanently stoned!
Cameron....What have you done? This'll bite you on the bum.....chum!
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Hibee The Great,

Easter road 08/06/2008 10:10:22
Bungling Boris the Buffoon
Of course we all knew that already, what a tragedy, what an excuse and a sad effort of Lord Mayor.
How on earth the numpties in London voted for clown is well beyond my imagination.
The good old clean Tories, yep, no less than 2 financial scandals in the last week.
Lets' hope the public get wise to this shower of con artists before it's too late.
David Cameron on the bones of his backside not long ago, and then all of a sudden, he is the great savior, I think not.
3 to 4 million unemployed, 17% interest rates, bring it on?
A party of clowns that will rip the UK off line their own pockets, of course they would not be able to sell of the countries silverware as they did that the last time they were in office.
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Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 08/06/2008 10:15:54
Re Janis B: "All necessary to keep London as the most productive Financial Centre of World..."

Financial centres don't produce wealth, they only acquire wealth that has been produced elsewhere.

The SNP should base its next PPB on making clear to people the remaining extent of Scotland's oil, the way that the UK has been squandering the revenues for over thirty years, and the way that the pro-UK press has tried to hide these things from public knowledge.
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Dr. James Wilkie,

Vienna 08/06/2008 10:20:12
Traquir, there is more to this business of North Sea oil than just spinelessness on the part of the Scottish media. I refuse to believe that the entire Scottish journalist profession is as supine as all that. You may have noted that the news of the oil reserves lasting for another half century is being openly publicised all over England, while the same story is clearly being actively suppressed in Scotland.

This is politics, not journalism. With trouble looming at Westminster and increasing signs of disintegration in England, the good news is obviously intended to reassure the English that everything in the economic garden is lovely, while at the same time avoiding adding any further fuel to the nationalist fire in Scotland.

Remember the UK-wide clampdown on Niall Aslen's forensic dissection of the government's GERS report, when he revealed that, far from Scotland being £11,000m in the red in its balance of payments with England and the rest of the UK, it was actually £9,000m in surplus. If I were in power in London I would no doubt be tempted to do the same, but I would not expect it to go unopposed. Just don't give me any nonsense about what a wonderful free press we have in our country.

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Ananurhing,

08/06/2008 10:34:12
#61 Dr James Wilkie

Well said. So much for the "protocol" of the 4th Estate!

Any sleuths out there got the lowdown on Johnstone Press?
43

bluehead,

edinburgh 08/06/2008 10:38:20
the london people will rue the day they voted boris to be mayor,one look at him should have been enough
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Uilleam Mor,

Luss 08/06/2008 10:50:15
From these comments it is crystal clear that the Tories still consider the Scots to be subsidy junkies at the expense of Londoners.

And all this from a man who has just secured for the Tories the high profile London mayorship,and from a party who wants to govern all of Britain with respect.

If such a high profile Tory can utter in public such anti Scottish rhetoric then we know only too well what they will be thinking in private.

Time to rid ourselves of the London colonial masterclass, and like Gordon Brown, I suspect Johnston celebrates his Britishness!

Let them get on with it.
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Ananurhing,

08/06/2008 10:55:32
#64 bluehead

I don't know if they will. All he has to do is a bit of "let's stir up the oiks" rabble rousing, wave the St. George's Cross occasionaly, sound populist, and hope it chimes with the mood in England at the moment.

I don't know if it does or not. I don't live there.
Interesting times!


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David Nisbet,

Kirkintilloch 08/06/2008 11:06:59
Shame, I quite liked Boris.
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Ananurhing,

08/06/2008 11:18:41
#65 Meths

Many thanks. Like I said, interesting times.
I wonder what the leanings of the controlling family are, and will the editorial shenanigans of this paper change when they relinquish overall control.

Or more simply, is there any hope for the Hootsman!
I hope so. I used to like it. A long time ago.

Johnstone Press's " Bury Free Press " says it all for me. Now there's a mission statement!
48

jerrymanders,

Soap Box City 08/06/2008 11:22:01
#56

It may well be a great financial centre but that money does not belong to London. It is the wealth of the nation, or are you saying that all the oil money belongs to London? The Goverment "handouts" do not belong to London. The money in the Bank of England does not belong to London. You cannot attribute money that is moved on the Stock Exchange as being London's. Using your Londoner's inept and totally biased method of calculating per capita income/expenditure there are only 4 or 5 counties in England that are in the black. Guess what? They are all centred around London! The rest (including the rest of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland) are in the red! Stick the Stock Exchange in Inverness and by heck see how you would like it.
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Mist001,

Marseille 08/06/2008 11:23:13
If you work in central London, you get the 'London Weighting Allowance' which boosts your wages to at least 20 per cent of the rest of the UK. Now, that's a subsidy paid for by the whole of the UK, not just Scotland!

Since Edinburgh is the 2nd most expensive city in the UK in which to live and work, then why doesn't the weighting allowance apply there?

No 60: Are you THE Colin Wilson? I'm not being sarcastic, but I'm asking because if you are, I'm a huge admirer of your work. If not, really, I don't mean any offence to you.

And btw, I read a lot of newspapers online, I don't speak French and often it's the only communication I have with the outside world. I see quite a lot of Johnstone Press publications so I'd like to ask, does anyone know when the Barclay Brothers became Johnstone Press?

Michael.
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Lederblix,

08/06/2008 11:27:27
Quote from the Herald last November (David Leask): Myth 1: Scots get more public cash than anyone else
Fact: Scotland, with its many remote areas and pockets of deprivation, certainly has hefty public spending by any standards. But the highest? It is not even close.
That honour, by a considerable margin, goes to Northern Ireland. Official public expenditure there is measured at £10,271 per head at the last full count in 2005-06. The social and economic legacy of 30 years of civil strife means that the province needs more support than any other part of the UK.
Next up in Britain's regional league table of state spending is London. The government, in all its guises, dished out £9748 for every man, woman and child there, not least because of its armies of civil servants and creaking, expensive and essential transport infrastructure.
Next we come to Scotland, which edges ahead of the north-east of England to take third place in the spending stakes. Scots account for an average of £9631 in state expenditure all kinds, vastly more than non-metropolitan counties of the south-east and east of England. There, state spending averages out at just £7544 and £7256 respectively per head, less than anywhere else.
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MoragfraeEdinburgh,

Edinburgh 08/06/2008 11:37:59
71# Don't know if you are joking or not but Johnstone Press has been around for donkey's years in Scotland and has no connection with the Barclays. The Barclays sold the Scotsman to JP about 3 years ago if my memory serves me right.
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Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 08/06/2008 11:59:59
Re #71 : I'm not that Colin Wilson. I've only written one book; and he lives in Cornwall, at the other end of Britain.
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jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 08/06/2008 12:04:58
Devolution without tax-raising powers is always going to be a problem and this was the big mistake the UK Labour government made when it gave Scotland devolution in 1997. They call it a Parliament. Is there any other country in the world that has a 'Parliament' that does'nt raise taxes? I don't think so. Labour obviously thought there would always be a labour majority in Scotland and would do what it was told by Westminster. It has not quite worked out like that!

The sooner the Scottish Parliament has proper tax powers, and thus accountability, the better. It would help to stop unfair criticism from English MPs and the English public at large.
55

Bejjy,

08/06/2008 12:11:54
At least Boris is good for a laugh unlike the dismal Brown and his ilk.
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Americanbob,

Edinburgh 08/06/2008 12:12:57
Surely all these posts are missing the point - Boris was NOT SUPPOSED TO WIN. The Conservative party put forward the biggest clown they had in the hope that Livingston would win again and they could then continue to point out what a mess he and the Labour party were making of Londonshire thus paving the way for a victory for them at the next General Election.
Unfortunately the plans of mice and men.....
Now they don't know how to shut him up!
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Ananurhing,

08/06/2008 12:13:47
#71 mist
The Barclays went off to fight for independence.
To free their island fortress of Brecou from the shackles of Sark.
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David MacVicar,

web 08/06/2008 12:19:06
Margo MacDonald - todays Sunday post.

Bittersweet to hear Benn admit oil was squandered

Talk about deja vu! Last week found me checking myself in the mirror to make sure I wasn’t decked out in a crocheted waistcoat, bopping to Mud, Slade or some other ’70s band.

Oil was once again making the news, gushing from every front page and radio phone-in, the soundbites spun by the political parties had hardly changed by a syllable and Scots were still undecided over which lot to believe.

As I write this, oil has reached $139 a barrel.

Some industry experts think it could climb to $200 and a couple of weeks ago a leading company in financial analysis, Grant Thornton, estimated that at a much lower price per barrel, Scotland would have an annual £6 billion surplus, if we were independent and Holyrood rather than Westminster ran our economy.

Reaction

Some phone-in callers were having none of that. Reaction from the SNP’s opponents echoed down the three decades since oil was discovered in that section of the North Sea under the jurisdiction of Scots Law.

In the ’70s, as was finally confirmed by the, until recently, secret Cabinet papers of the Wilson, Callaghan and Thatcher governments, Scots were stiffed by all three over oil. Government ministers lied so as to diminish hopes for a transformation of the Scottish economy fuelled by “black gold”. I well remember the candidate in the Stirling Burghs by-election pouring scorn on the idea and describing it as “pie in the sky”.

That candidate went on to have a successful Westminster career, while Scots let their future prospects trickle away. They swallowed the line that oil would have run out by now — experts agree there’s almost as much left as has been depleted.

Some of last week’s phone-in callers were opposed to Scotland having sovereign powers over oil, like Lottery winners who refuse their multi-million pound prize on the grounds they’ll never be as lucky again.

Perversity

Such perversi
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Contd.
Such perversity to accept the facts indicate either total timidity or, more likely, too strong an attachment to the unionist party of their choice to support a policy of the SNP.

That was the tragedy of the ’70s — the lowering of Scottish self-belief that flowed from the deliberate under-estimation of the quantity of oil and gas in the Scottish sector by the unionist parties. They short-sightedly defended their party interests rather than make common cause with nationalists to demand what even then was called an Oil Fund.

The party propaganda machines belittled Scots like me who argued for a policy like Norway’s, and warned that any Westminster chancellor, instead, would use oil taxes for current spending, not as resources for a rainy day or investment money.

It was bittersweet, after 30 years, to hear the then Minister for Energy, Tony Benn, admit that oil was squandered.

Had Labour, Tory and Lib Dems not been so keen to see off the SNP, they could probably have squeezed out of Westminster an Oil Investment Fund that would have provided the capital for upgrading the A9, improving transport links to the Borders and the South-West, for example.

Windfall

But there’ll be nothing sweet about our second chance to transform Scotland’s infrastructure if we allow Westminster to siphon off the windfall of billions of pounds that should, for starters, represent payment for a new crossing over the Forth and the long-overdue upgrade of the M8 and A9.

According to the dim cabinet minister for oil, it’s just selfish for Scots to want to call the shots. This card was also played 30 years ago — since then, leaving oil to Westminster has produced perpetual low growth in the Scottish economy and a quarter of Scots children born into poverty.
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web 08/06/2008 12:26:35
Contd. Comment.

Margo has written comment on what is the real situation over oil.

Scots who are still trying to justify we stay in a Union that rips us off and is only out to deceive are out and out Quislings. It is these Scots who have damaged and are damaging out childrens future prospects and best interests.

Contemporary Cringing Unionist Scots are beneath contempt because the truth of deception is there for all to see. No excuses. Unionist Scots are nowadays nothing but collaborators for a foreign state working to undermine our entire country.
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Mist001,

Marseille 08/06/2008 12:31:01
No 77: As I said, no offence was intended by my question, so thanks for clearing that up. I wish you well with your book (which I know nothing about!). I don't want to stray off topic too much, but is it available on Amazon or somewhere similar?

Michael.
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Iain's,

Barcelona 08/06/2008 12:31:40
No surprise here really.

When I lived in London, most Londoners believed this.

Boris is a Tory after all and if the Londoners hear the story enough times, they will blame Brown and vote him out. Just like Boris' win against Livingston.
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Mist001,

Marseille 08/06/2008 12:36:35
No 76:

No, I wasn't joking, it's just that recently I've seen Johnstone Press cropping up more and more. I'm not planning a takeover or anything, I was just curious, so thanks for the info.

Michael.
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Mist001,

Marseille 08/06/2008 12:39:53
No 86:

Brown can't be voted out, since he wasn't voted in, in the first place.

Which took the UK into very dark waters politically IMO.

That's why I support an independent Scotland.

Michael.
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Sir Minty Moonbeams, Casino Royale,

08/06/2008 13:05:03
Quite right Boris.
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Richard M,

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I suppose you could make the argument that if Scotland should keep the oil revenue, London (which has a greater population) should keep the revenue from the financial sector. As well as seeing the rebirth of smaller nations, we are also seeing a trend back towards City-states
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I dont need Boris to tell me that Scotland has a lot to thank England for, I already know that without England, Scotland could well be f@cked.
Yes we do have oil, but so to does Nigeria.
Boris isnt wrong, but as a politician he will need to remember that telling the truth will ALWAYS be clasified as an outburst, because sensitive people cannot handle the truth.
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John S,

08/06/2008 13:16:13
#83/84 and 85, David MacVicar: Well written.
#92 Yes we do have oil,but so does Norway.
Norwegian oil (Government Pension Fund) fund - Initial investment of £174m in 1990 and now £196bn - March 2008.This equivalent to £41,000 for every person living in Norway (pop 4.7m).
I already know that without England, Scotland could well be f@cked. Thanks now I understand this why the UK (English dominated)Parliament is desperate to keep Scotland within the UK to stop Scotland getting f@cked ?

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The Answer,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 13:39:55
What is the snp government going to do about those 10,000 scotch males, who have become unemployed since the snp landslide victory ?
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Glasgow 08/06/2008 13:42:36
London still top of Euro league!

Last year, 305 foreign firms invested in London, almost four times as many as were attracted by the next most popular part of Britain, the south-east (83). Scotland was next with 69.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/jun/05/investing.economics

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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 13:46:09
An interesting site;

http://souralba.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/ex-scotsman-editor-on-demise-of-scottish-papers
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Glasgow 08/06/2008 13:55:20
#104

where are your facts, ohhh, your scotch, you just make them up as you please.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 13:56:45
105. Did you mean "you are" and "Scottish"?
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Glasgow 08/06/2008 14:01:56
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/lmsuk0508.pdf

wow, N Ireland has a rate of 4.6%, maybe the Irish are bailing out scotland + wales + england.

Anyway read it and weep, 10,000 scotch males unemployed since the snp won it's landslide victory, 234,000 extra English males employed since the snp landslide victory.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 14:06:06
107. You mean 234,000 Entch males surely?
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Publius,

Girvan 08/06/2008 14:06:24
#84 David MacVicar
Your write:
"Scots who are still trying to justify we stay in a Union that rips us off and is only out to deceive are out and out Quislings. It is these Scots who have damaged and are damaging out childrens future prospects and best interests.

Contemporary Cringing Unionist Scots are beneath contempt because the truth of deception is there for all to see. No excuses. Unionist Scots are nowadays nothing but collaborators for a foreign state working to undermine our entire country."

It's good to read the authentic words of civic, inclusive nationalism. Your nastiness is what puts me off the SNP.
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Glasgow 08/06/2008 14:24:51
Males in employment

13,486,000 England
2,266,000 South East
2,099,000 London
1,696,000 North West
1,533,000 East
1,375,000 South West
1,367,000 West Midlands
1,347,000 Yorkshire and The Humber

1,327,000 scotland

1,185,000 East Midlands
723,000 Wales
618,000 N East
427,000 N Ireland

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/lmsuk0508.pdf
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Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 08/06/2008 14:26:49
Re 109 : "Your nastiness is what puts me off the SNP."

There's no absolute need for anyone to vote for the SNP now. We just need to vote "aye" in the referendum in 2010, and then we can all vote for whoever we want at the first election to the reconvened Estates of Scotland.
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Hibee The Great,

08/06/2008 14:27:22
I rest my case, see comment number 59.
Second Tory this week caught out,
Yes Mr. squeaky clean Cameron?
CONSERVATIVE chairman Caroline Spelman was last night facing calls to pay back money from the public purse she gave to a nanny she says was acting as her constituency secretary.
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Glasgow 08/06/2008 14:33:03
#115
Are you one of those 10,000 extra unemployed scotch males since the snp landslide victory ?
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LEAL,

08/06/2008 14:37:46
Boris is a fool,but an entertaining one.When the tories win power in the London,England government he is the type of person that will be ruling Scotland.Unless Scotlands Labour voters decide to back their own country by voting for the SNP.
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monkey man,

08/06/2008 14:48:08
I'm North British, formerly known as "Scots", and its true we live off England, especially the South East. Why are we scared to admit the truth.?

Boris is only stating facts.
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Ananurhing,

08/06/2008 15:06:40
PSSSST! I think # The Answer may be a sectarian, union supporting, sh*t stirring agent provocateur!
Just a hunch(sic). Never overestimate these people, or what they're capable of.

And on que, enter stage right, heeeeeere's monkey man.

" Trip trap, trip trap, who's that on my bridge?", said the Troll!
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Whiskey,

08/06/2008 15:30:45
What a waste of good calf liver Boris calls a brain.
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Glasgow 08/06/2008 15:32:42
#124

I'm not a unionist, I cant wait to see scotsland stop being a burden on the English!

In fact I feel more respect for islamic nutter's than what pass's for a scotch nat!
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Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 08/06/2008 15:40:10
Re # 127 : "In fact I feel more respect for islamic nutter's than what pass's for a scotch nat!"

Fair enough. How's the adult literacy coming along, by the way?
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joppa jock,

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#44 commented that nobody in London is interested in what happens north of Watford. Possibly this is because few of them even know that most of England and Scotland are there. Anyone who has visited London recently will have discovered that they are now regarded as foreigners and that the English language is fast disappearing. Although I live an hour from London I was praying that Paris would get the Olympics as I believe it would be cheaper and easier to get there than an unreachable part of the East End. Boris will have been in the job long enough to pick up the blame if the Olympics degenerate into a shambles. Unfortunately it will cost us all a huge amount in taxation and nobody outside of London will benefit from the mega expensive facilities that will be left at the end of the extravaganza.
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Glasgow 08/06/2008 16:06:55
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24% od the jobforce in scotsland work in the public sector.

19% of the jobforce in England work in the public sector.

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http://barnett-formula.com/documents/SNPDEC2006BUDGET.pdf

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stu dundee,

dundee 08/06/2008 16:30:20
i have read many posts on here and the herald about oil wealth.. so am open to being wrong. my source is the bbc scotland program . truth lies oil and scotland.. licence to drill = £1000s to £millions..corperation tax=4.8 billion per year..suplimentary charge=3.4 billion per year.. petrolium revenue tax=1.7 per year..fuel duty & vat=30 billion per year.. that comes to @ 40 billion per year..add to that personnel taxation from oil employees.. tax from related companys servicing the oil industry.. thats a lot to add on to 40 billion per year.. so if we just take the 40 billion per year from the oil.. it is my understanding that under the barnett formula, scotland recieves 30 billion over 3 years ?.. if my figures are correct ?.. scotland puts in £120 billion over 3 years.. and gets back £30 billion over 3 years..but is still being subsidised ?..
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The Answer,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 16:34:58
#156



http://barnett-formula.com/documents/SNPDEC2006BUDGET.pdf
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The Answer,

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#156

http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/media/1/A/pesa0809_complete.pdf
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monkey man,

08/06/2008 16:38:43
The deluded Little Bravehearts on Planet Scotch here can convince each other that Independence is on its way....but in the real world the Scottish people know that all the benefits they get at present as part of the UK will disappear if the Union is broken. They'll be the new benefit junkies of Europe and nothing more.
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The Answer,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 16:38:49
#160

http://barnett-formula.com/snpdec2006budget.aspx
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The Answer,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 16:45:58
#163

Males in employment

13,486,000 England
2,266,000 South East
2,099,000 London
1,696,000 North West
1,533,000 East
1,375,000 South West
1,367,000 West Midlands
1,347,000 Yorkshire and The Humber

1,327,000 scotland

1,185,000 East Midlands
723,000 Wales
618,000 N East
427,000 N Ireland

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/lmsuk0508.pdf
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ThomasP,

08/06/2008 16:46:49
161 monkey man

Benefits?

Illegal wars that will last decades?

Increasing Terror threat?

Mass Debts, over 500 billion poinds?

Expensive nuclear power stations, over 80 billion just to clear the old ones?

Oh yes we all want a piece of that
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The Answer,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 16:47:39
#164

I'm not a unionist, I cant wait to see scotsland stop being a burden on the English!

In fact I feel more respect for islamic nutter's than what pass's for a scotch nat!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 16:56:29
170. Answer 1 - AM2 is obviously not posting as "The Answer" and it is just creepy to keep posting personal details on this web site.
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 16:57:17
See how some Unionists really think...

http://www.englandism.com/images/proportion.jpg
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:00:40
173. Cognitive dissonance in your first sentence...
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:03:25
168. Can you please send me over some more BoE £20 notes ( I have run out of matches to light my ciggies) and also some more free defence stuff please?
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 17:05:28
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LOL mea culpa...absit invidia!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:08:15
168. Hurry up Answer English dude, I am waiting.. while I quaff my free NHS prescition stuff (not available to viewers south of the border), luxuriate in free personal care (not available to viewers south of the border, reminisce about my tuition fee free education (not available to viewrs south of the border) I still need something to light my tabs. Please send more subisidy bank of england money notes, and some extra free defence/ foreign stuff too. Thanks in advance.
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 17:15:51
Candy-man has reached 17.
Isn't it getting a wee bit boring Candy-man?

AM2 may be a bit much sometimes, but he is the best Unionist debater after UIB, Brownlie, Geoff and Nikostratos.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:16:37
179. Candy-man - you really do now just appear very creepy and obsessed, and more than a tad mentalist. By seeking to plaster phone numbers etc on this site you just undermine any case you support.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:17:02
186. Oh please, read his posts.
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 17:18:35
The Hootsman censorbot does not let Candy-man without the hyphen pass now.

AM2 have you visited:

http://souralba.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/ex-scotsman-editor-on-demise-of-scottish-papers
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:19:55
191 - LOL. I notice certain surnames and car makes are now censor-botted as well, judging by cand-yman's syntax
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 17:29:12
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Reasoned debate should be countered with reasoned debate.
Patronising, mispelled diatribes should be countered with satire.Ah I forgot, that goes over your head;-)
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:29:16
198. One day, if you practice, you will be a sharp and pithy as Nikostratus...
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:30:22
200. Well said, and hoos poos, I agree.

Now where the devil is that Answer chap with my free defence stuff? If you see him tell him I need an extra £100 on my subsidy for tonight as I am going out
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:31:30
202. No, but I hear being a nanny for a Tory MP now pays very well....
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:32:50
206. The "Answer" is from Glasgow - or did you mean county borders?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:35:34
208. LOL. Nasty mental image of a gummy AM2 poised at keyboard....
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 17:35:47
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Perhaps we could sell on our free presciptions?
Now where was that day centre in Geordieland again?
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monkey man,

08/06/2008 17:36:02
The wee Bravehearts are being conned by fat Salmond whose laughing at them. He knows that he can't deliver REAL independence by standing alone outside the British Union or the EU. He is a political coward of the worst kind. Scotland will only ever be subsidy junkies of either Westminster or Brussels. Its only a matter of choice.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:37:54
209. Thanks dude. Now, does housekeeper get paid on the parliamentary researcher or constituency case-worker pay scale?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:39:17
213. Well said, but I don't mind if Salmond laughs at me as long as my free defence stuff, free education (not available to readers in Scunthorpe) and subsidy money keeps coming
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:47:53
214 :-) I am looking a bit chesty there
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Glasgow 08/06/2008 17:48:59
Interesting fact, more people from Wales manage to enter Oxford university than people scotsland.

http://www.admin.ox.ac.uk/sr/Stats/stats0607/Domicile.pdf
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:50:38
222. Fascinating, but at least all the Scottish students have their tuition fees paid, unlike radgey students from England who come to Scotland
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David MacVicar,

web 08/06/2008 17:54:49
109 Publius

What I wrote may have been on the nasty side but the truths of decades of deception are staring us all in the face.

I seriously doubt any impartial observer (if a such a thing exists) would deny that Scotland has been used and lied to by consecutive British establishment politicians of all persuasions. We have been a nation of lambs ripe for the slaughter. Enough already.

No more excuses for the union - it is a corrupt, failed, self centred institution filled with establishment lackeys out to fill their own pockets at the expense of others. Rotten to the core - just look at the MP expense scandal.

Any Scot trying to justify the continuance of an institution that works covertly and even overtly against Scottish interests needs to have some pretty serious motivations to do so. Most other countries would have rebelled long ago and all other British colonies have. - Ireland being the closest comparison.

Scotland was a willing partner in Empire. NEWSFLASH: The empire is gone, a dead parrot. Scotland is being used to prop up the last legs of a union that has been running on life support. The Scottish life support machine is about to be switched off.

What is motivating the Unionsts?
For some:
Politicians - Financial gain, Power - for themselves only.
Career prospects - British lackeys such as Kirsty Wark.
Nostalgia - Looking back to the good old days of the Empire.
Cultural Cringe - Embarrassment of their own Country, history and nationality.

With FOI etc putting the long running Scale of British deception towards Scotland, Scottish unionists that support it are working openly against their own country. I'm sure there is a name for such behaviour and its not favourable.

Traquir's posts earlier show that it isn't just the Scottish media that need to hang their heads in shame.
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Glasgow 08/06/2008 17:55:41
#223

1% of England domiciled students elect to study in scotsland

7% of scotsland domiciled students elect to study in England

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:57:13
222. Maybe Scots don't want to go to Oxford - there are 21 anti-cancer drugs available in Scotland not available there, prescription charges are cheaper here, all the free tuitiona nd ending of the graduate endowment is better, our 4 year degree with free tuition is a better deal, our council tax is frozen.... jeez, why would anyone want to go to Oxford, makes no sense. And most of our free defence stuff and subsidy is available here and not there. You make no sense at all.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 17:58:55
226. Because the English types have to pay tuition fees here, but our Scottish students have to be brave enough to travel south to the land of unfrozen council tax, higher prescription charges, tuition fees when they get all the free subsidy and defence stuff for nothing up here. Wht would they travel south? You make no sense
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monkey man,

08/06/2008 18:00:04
Wee fat Alex doesn't have the courage of his convictions to demand full independence from both the British Union and the European equivalent. Nor do his acolytes either. That's why Scotland will always be subsidy junkies. He's knows...as did Big Jock Tamson.
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Glasgow 08/06/2008 18:02:14
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It's not "free" , the English as usual are paying, just as the have done for the last 300 years.

Oxford and Cambridge uni 2nd and 3rd in the world, welsh seem to cut the grade, scots not.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 18:03:48
230. Its free for us!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 18:05:02
230. Hey, I have run out of subsidy money to light my ciggies (I smoke with abandon, because the Scottish NHS is better funded and can afford 21 anti-cancer drugs denied to England). Can you send more subsidy bank notes, I need to wipe my botty and light my ciggies, like now?

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 18:07:15
233. Someone has to deliver our free defence stuff. Maybe they just stay over when they do deliveries?
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monkey man,

08/06/2008 18:08:14
# 233

Its not difficult....why doesn't wee fat Alex demand Scotland be a genuinely free, stand alone nation without depending on either Westminster or Brussels.?
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The Answer,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 18:09:03
#231

It's cool council tax is frozeen in scotsland, that means no increase in council tax benefit flowing from the south to scotsland.

If inflation runs at 4% for the next 3 years, it means a real cut of 11.43% in council tax benefit to the scotch.

Thank you mr salmond.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 18:09:46
236. Why does the UK depend on Brussels? Subsidy free loaders.

Now, where is my subsidy money? I am going out tonight.
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 18:10:20
That's another cut and paste diatribe done.229

http://www.richardcreative.com/wordpress/wp-content/monkey.jpg
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 18:10:39
237. Ooh, maybe he should unfreeze it. Sounds like a reduction in our subisdy. No wonder I am short of bank of england note to wipe my botty at the mo.
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The Answer,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 18:11:11
#234

I suppose scotch will soon be consuming 12% of the social security budget, with those extra 10,000 scotch males who became unemployed since the landslide snp victory.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 18:12:08
243. Oh I hope so. 12% of more subisdy money. Munch, munch, keep it coming (and a bit faster please, see my current predicament above re. notes to light ciggies off)
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 18:16:04
246. Hey, don't tell him to - he hasn't delivered my free defence stuff and botty-wipe bank of england subsidy note yets!
172

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 18:16:56
247. Me too. I say we use numpties like "The answer" and bleed them dry up to the point they are no further use, then cast the off when we go independent
173

Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 18:18:01
239
Going somethere nice Ayrshire?
Heres some.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/politics/threelinewhip/april08/englandtheukstaxpayingtonic.htm

Will it be enough?
We have wars and weapopns of mass destruction to pay for you know.
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The Answer,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 18:18:22
#245
It's good your lighting ciggies, well it is for the English and the tax that will flow to Westminister, but it's bad for scotsland, you need bodies half dead or not to claim on the barnett formula.

£9,000 barnett handout!
£7,000 medical cost to keep you alive = profit

£9,000 barnett handout!
£9,100 medical cost to keep you alive = switch of the life support.

175

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 18:19:37
251. Just off down the chip shop and offie, to spend my subsidy cheques I get from mugs like "the answer".
176

monkey man,

08/06/2008 18:20:38
#238

Utter and complete tosh. Even if wee fat Salmond had the grassroot support for a genuine independent Scotland he would not take it. He knows without Westminster or Brussels dependency his "country" would be the new Albania. As do the realists...

He
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 18:21:08
252. Aye, but any tax they get off my ciggies (which I buy from subsidy money anyways) we get a bigger share of back in more subsidies and stuff. Its a virtuous cycle. And we get all them free anti-cancer drugs that English NHS banned for cost.... happy days
178

The Answer,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 18:21:43
#250

Males in employment

13,486,000 England
2,266,000 South East
2,099,000 London
1,696,000 North West
1,533,000 East
1,375,000 South West
1,367,000 West Midlands
1,347,000 Yorkshire and The Humber

1,327,000 scotland

1,185,000 East Midlands
723,000 Wales
618,000 N East
427,000 N Ireland

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/lmsuk0508.pdf
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 18:22:40
251
ARGH.They've stopped sending apostraphes, and I've taken the p instead...
180

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 18:22:48
254. He what? He ha? He ho? Its off to work you go (better had, to pay tax to send me my subsidies and stuff - that Answer bloke is on here too much, I worry he is not sending me enough subsidy tax and stuff)
181

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 18:23:55
256. Its good that there are more people working in England - more tax they pay so the higher my subsidies, and the better my anti-cancer drugs, free education, free personal care and other stuff they don't get
182

monkey man,

08/06/2008 18:25:57
#258

You're very boring with nothing to contribute. You must also be a wow at parties with that sparkling "patter", eh.? I won't be replying to anymore of your posts either.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 18:27:41
260. LOL. Nice of you to reply to me telling me you won't be replying to me. Some might say that was a taulogical and redundant act of a knuckle trailing dribbling mentalist with no fear of making himself look like an imbecile, but I say thanks anyway, and can you send some more subisides?
184

monkey man,

08/06/2008 18:31:53
And now back to reality sans the dullard trolls.

Will there be passports needed and border cheks for this new shiny Brigadoon of wee fatty Salmond. ?
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 18:38:10
Well if you want to go to another country, you will need a passport.
Except it won't be a British one:-)

As for border cheks...

http://www.woostercollective.com/2007/07/10/chek.jpg
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English Glaswegian,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 18:46:02
#252. As an English man working and living in Scotland I find your posts cringe-worthy and totally embarrassing. They are rivalled for stupidity and inability to engage on any substantive issue only by #Monkey man. Who needs the SNP when the Scottish have people like you.
187

I befriend total mongs,

08/06/2008 18:48:08
262. Hello, can I be your friend? You seem lonely
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The Answer,

Glasgow 08/06/2008 18:51:59
#263

Males in employment

13,486,000 England
2,266,000 South East
2,099,000 London
1,696,000 North West
1,533,000 East
1,375,000 South West
1,367,000 West Midlands
1,347,000 Yorkshire and The Humber

1,327,000 scotland

1,185,000 East Midlands
723,000 Wales
618,000 N East
427,000 N Ireland

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/lmsuk0508.pdf
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monkey man,

08/06/2008 18:52:17
It appears the wee Bravehearts have nothing but very poor"insults" posing as humour. You can't live off those when Scotland is "independent."
190

I befriend total mongs,

08/06/2008 18:52:53
269. I want to be your friend
191

I befriend total mongs,

08/06/2008 18:53:17
270. I like your use of " "

192

I befriend total mongs,

08/06/2008 18:54:49
270. You are my best friend
193

English Glaswegian,

08/06/2008 18:58:17
#274. Hello. I am not so new, I have been on here before a few times, hello to you too.
194

I befriend total mongs,

08/06/2008 18:58:20
269. Like it, you posted that a few times. You are my bestest friend.
195

monkey man,

08/06/2008 18:59:16
It looks like the wee Bravehearts have been defeated yet again...like Culloden. Cowed into submission. Isn't life grand.? lol
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 19:00:43
270
And of course "wee Bravehearts" is not in anyway patronising or insulting?

And I don't think you would recognise humour if it wooshed over your head with a baseball bat.
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 08/06/2008 19:05:32
Monkey & Answer are very funny wind-up merchants! Keep it up lads, we're getting a rare laugh! :o)
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monkey man,

08/06/2008 19:09:20
# 278

I'm not patronising anyone. If I was I'd use something as derogatory like "little Jocklanders". I'm looking for answers as to why Scotland can't be an independent nation. I think we all know the reasons....as in subsidies.
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 19:11:11
If you think cutting and pasting meaningless statistics, and making patronising comments about other posters is funny?

Well...fill your boots Richard.
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 19:15:21
280
And there is the rub.
You think Scotland is being subsidised by England.
I don't.
I don't think the Netherlands is being susidised by Germany.
Or Norway subsidised by Sweden.
201

monkey man,

08/06/2008 19:16:25
Are there any nationalists with even one cogent argument to prove Scotland's ability not to descend into poverty if "independence" is granted.?
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 19:20:31
283
Perhaps the abject poverty of Norway?

And Independence will not be "granted".

It will be negotiated, and the UK will cease to be.
203

Sally Kent,

08/06/2008 19:24:37
We are family
I got all my sisters with me
We are family
Get up ev'rybody and sing
204

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 19:25:10
279. I feel bad. I was chuckling at them. Should we be laughing with them?

285 - C the L. I think MM is just a troll trying to stir comments
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Sally Kent,

08/06/2008 19:25:28
Tweeter and the monkey man were hard up for cash
They stayed up all night selling cocaine and hash
To an undercover cop who had a sister named jan
For reasons unexplained she loved the monkey man
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 19:25:52
286. Indeed. He gots worse with each new moniker
207

monkey man,

08/06/2008 19:26:49
I'd have more respect for my fellow North Britons ( Scots) if they weren't such deluded hypocrites.

They embarrass themselves with repeatedly stating the guff that they "stood up to Thatcher" when the evidence is there that the Scots bought more council houses per head of the UK population and also bought shares in the then newly privatised ex-public utilities.

The Scots were Maggie's people and carried out her policies to the end.
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Sally Kent,

08/06/2008 19:28:14
Do, do, do the funky gibbon
(The funky gibbon)
We are here to show you how
Ooo, ooo, ooo
Ooo, ooo, ooo, the funky gibbon
He's just like you
So come on and do
The funky gibbon now
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Sally Kent,

08/06/2008 19:29:35
monkey see monkey do
dont ever make the first move
just let em' come to you
cause they always gunna see and do what the other one do
so let em' come to you
the rest of us follow suit
monkey see monkey do
tweedle-de-tweedle-dum
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 19:32:25
291. Monkey Man says "Or, please please write to me, I am lonely, and will write contrarian things to get a reply...."
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AberdeenAngus,

08/06/2008 19:34:40
291 Mr Monkey

Fit ir ye haverin' aboot mon? Ah've read some affa p­ish here but you're ahll ower the shop. Dae ye play wi' yersel' when typin'? If ye were funny ken ah could see the point, but ye're no funny like. Fit a stupid loon ye are.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 19:35:04
293. i didn't know Conan was selling his bicycle?
213

AberdeenAngus,

08/06/2008 19:35:45
Ah'm awa tae tend tae the kye.
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monkey man,

08/06/2008 19:36:12
Still no answers.?
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AberdeenAngus,

08/06/2008 19:36:59
Wid ye look at that mon? 2nd day here an' ah've bagged 300 fur independence. Fit am ah like ken?
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AberdeenAngus,

08/06/2008 19:38:08
Mr Monkey

Awa' an google it yersel' ya cheekie wee troll ye.
If ye want answers, awa an' ask The Answer.
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AberdeenAngus,

08/06/2008 19:38:40
Mr Monkey

Fit wis the question again?
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 19:40:35
288
Shh...was trying to lure him into a trap, but he got away...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jdw4-xIrbQ
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 19:42:26
306. LOL. Poor croc that ate the MM, full of it as she is
220

AberdeenAngus,

08/06/2008 19:42:38
Mr Monkey

Ah googled it fur ye. It's fae yon independent newspaper. Noo this isnae a snp rag ken! Here's the wee bitties below.

*According to UK government estimates only about half of the reserves of oil in the North Sea have been extracted so far, which means that there is still enough to support a population of just five million people.

An international convention has determined that the North Sea north of the 55th parallel is under Scottish jurisdiction, which means some 90 per cent of the UK's oil and gas reserves are within Scottish waters.*

Ah'll look fur som mair.
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monkey man,

08/06/2008 19:43:04
If you guys are the intellectual elite of the wee Bravehearts no wonder independence just ain't happenin'.! lol
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AberdeenAngus,

08/06/2008 19:43:31
Her's some mair fur yee Mr Monkey. Same paper like.

*As far back as 1975, experts recognised that oil could make an independent Scotland one of the richest countries in Europe. A government report saying as much was labelled incendiary, classified as secret and hidden away for 30 years until it came to light at the end of 2005 as a result of Freedom of Information legislation.*
223

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 19:44:19
306. Did Cider Monkey 542000 paw the keyboard accidentally, or did his muddy fur slip out of the strait-jacket. We will never know
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monkey man,

08/06/2008 19:45:16
#310

I bet it was the Masons that covered it all up,eh.? lol
225

AberdeenAngus,

08/06/2008 19:45:49
Ther's whisky too an' a'. There's the gin (funnily enough it's Scotland's gin). Tourism helps, but dinna go tae Glesca. Aiberdeen's bonnie but no in winter. We've also got a wee monster.
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AberdeenAngus,

08/06/2008 19:47:44
an' there's the peat bogs.
227

Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 19:48:36
311
He had a spare.
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AberdeenAngus,

08/06/2008 19:49:10
Mr Monkey

Aye noo ye ken ya cheekie wee loon. Am awa' this time. Ma coos are gettin a bit restless like.
Up yer kilt.
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 19:49:27
311

http://www.brainclaw.com/common/images/monkeyspaw.jpg
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 19:52:57
313
Indeed Col. He presumed that I went to GU, and my name is Brian.

Jeez.
231

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 19:53:02
313. Was Conan at Glasgow University? How did Cider Monkey save him? CPR in the Beer Bar?
232

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 19:53:33
320. What a fool the Cider Monkey is Bri.
233

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 19:54:09
317. Shut it Meths
234

brownlie,

08/06/2008 19:56:14
The Answer and Monkeyman

Great posts - what an asset to unionism and you've saved me from coming on here with my usual unionist tripe.

10,000 scotch seems like an awful lot of hooch to me!

PS If you are the answer it must have been a bloody silly question.
235

Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 20:08:08
321
CPR in the Beer Bar? Cheeky Monkey.
236

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 20:09:24
326. Hey, its you who owes his life to Cider Monkey 542000....
237

Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 20:13:44
327
There's no Answer to that...
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monkey man,

08/06/2008 20:41:59
#325

The film will be a laugh. All those years later and the planks who broke the Stone are still British. lol

I hope its like the movie Braveheart....I like a film with a happy ending. lol
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 20:47:11
329. SNP government, SNP biggest party of local government, SNP lead of 10 points in polls... I love a story with a happy start and loads of potential
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Nikostratos,

08/06/2008 21:00:01
Peter invited his mother for dinner. During the course of the meal; his mother couldn't help but notice how attractive Peter's flat mate, George, was.

She had long been suspicious of a relationship between the two, and this only made her more curious.

Over the course of the evening, while watching the two interact, she started to wonder if there was more between Peter and his flat mate than met the eye.

Reading his mum's thoughts, Peter volunteered, "I know what you must be thinking, but I assure you, George & I are just flat mates".

About a week later, George came to Peter saying, "Ever since your mother came to dinner, I've been unable to find the frying pan, you don't suppose she took it do you?

"Well I doubt it, but I'll e-mail her just to be sure" said Peter.
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Nikostratos,

08/06/2008 21:00:54
So he sat down and wrote

DEAR MOTHER,

I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU "DID" TAKE THE FRYING PAN FROM MY HOUSE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU "DID NOT" TAKE THE FRYING PAN BUT THE FACT REMAINS THAT IT HAS BEEN MISSING EVER SINCE YOU WERE HERE FOR DINNER.

LOVE PETER
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Nikostratos,

08/06/2008 21:01:55
Several days later, Peter received an email from his mother which read


DEAR SON,

I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU "DO" SLEEP WITH GEORGE, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU "DO NOT" SLEEP WITH GEORGE, BUT THE FACT REMAINS THAT IF HE WAS SLEEPING IN HIS OWN BED, HE WOULD HAVE FOUND THE FRYING PAN BY NOW.

LOVE MUM


Lesson of the day,

NEVER LIE TO YOUR MOTHER
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 21:09:13
334. And then the old homophobic mother died, leaving a fortune to her gay son, he got therapy and stopped being a repressed liar, and they all lived happy ever after.

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Nikostratos,

08/06/2008 21:12:32
#335

In a 'Independent Scotland'
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TerryH,

England 08/06/2008 21:21:21
"...Scottish politicians, including Gordon Brown, were treating the country in an "inequitable" way."

Wow, what a controversial statement! What next?

"Grizzlie owner, sued for not taking pooper-scooper into wood said, 'how was I to know?'"!

or, "Pope takes first holy communion",

or "Labour MP stands replaces cat in hellish job, rather than stand in the next general election".

It's hardly news is it?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 21:29:59
336. Well clearly not in a Scotland dominated by the sick and vile Labour party, which drove one of its own MP's to suicide with anti-gay blackmail and a campaign of sickening homophobia....


"He (Gordon McMaster) committed suicide through inhaling car exhaust fumes in his garage, leaving behind a note in which he accused two fellow Labour MPs, Donald Dixon and Tommy Graham, of hounding him...

Mr Brown was asked to conduct the investigation by the Prime Minister after it emerged that the late MP wrote a suicide note accusing two parliamentary colleagues of spreading rumours about him. ......

Mr Godman told him Labour's National Executive committee should get involved and mount a full-scale investigation, looking into not just Mr McMaster's suicide - but into the rash of allegations that have stricken Labour politics in the west of Scotland for years. The most serious suggests some Labour figures may have contacts with the criminal underworld.... Tommy Graham and Don Dixon, who have been blamed for hounding Mr McMaster to his death....


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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 21:30:31
339. Was just checking
250

Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 21:34:53
329
In case you didn't notice, the end of the film was the Battle of Bannockburn.

A very happy ending:-)
251

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 21:38:17
344. I thought that - the end of the film was Scotland winning independence. I wonder if Monkey Man was actually watching Debby Does Dallas
252

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 21:39:35
345, Shut it Brian (of 14 Woodlands Road, Glasgow)
253

Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 21:40:14
343
Everbody needs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Sw42ISrQU
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 21:41:33
351. How did you find out my fisrt, second and third names. Yours, TTA Scot
256

Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 21:43:48
349
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zwwqEm5YhQ
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 21:43:58
354, christening name where the ministers hand slipped
258

Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 21:46:07
354
Comes before a nescond name.
259

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 21:46:58
359 I refer you to the Mrs Robinson thread... here's to you, the day the logic died
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monkey man,

08/06/2008 21:47:26
#346

Yeah...you can convince the other voices in your head that Scotland is independent. lol

Get over it...it ain't gonna happen. Wee fat Alex thinks you lot are great though for keeping him in luxury after he was a failure in our real Parliament in Westminster and he headed homewards with his tail between his legs to think again. lol
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 21:49:42
365. Stop snorting it?
262

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 21:54:05
364, Monkey Man - i refer you to your post # 260 to me where you state to me " I won't be replying to anymore of your posts either."

We can only wonder why you now reply to me. You appear to be a dribvbling, amnesiac figure of fun?
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 21:55:08
366
How do you cope with extreme nostril hair then?
264

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 21:55:58
364. Monkey Man - why when you posted at #260 that you would not reply to any of my posts, did you reply to me at 364. Are you an onanist mong of little intellect and smaller memory? I only ask to encourage others to mock you.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 21:56:28
372. Nair and a trimmer
266

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 21:56:28
372. Nair and a trimmer
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 21:59:02
375,376
A post for each nostril?
268

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 21:59:40
364. Monkey Man, re 260, stop not replying to my posts. You make yourself look like a lying mong with the intellect of a gerbil.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 22:00:40
364. Peek at 260. Here we see Unionist Monkey Cider consistency and memory power. hehehe
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 22:04:29
384. He said he would never do that again. But then again he promised at 260 he would never reply to me ever again, then replied to me ay 364, so we may be dealing with a retard, Cider pete, IQ scraping the mud below the amoeba pond scum, Monkey, thicko, dullard laughable mornon unionist debater .... what a marvel
271

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 22:06:52
364. Mong man is silenet. I wonder what his new moniker will be after saying he would never reply to me, then did 30 minutes later? I think he new moniker will be Forgetful Fred or similar? What a laughing stock mentalist mong
272

Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 22:07:09
384
Why would he have to?
Oh boasting again.
273

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 22:09:25
390. That was distasteful. I will now follow Monkey Man's example at 260 and never reply to you again
274

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 22:10:11
390. Hi, how are you. I am following Monkey Mans not replying to you example at 260-364
275

monkey man,

08/06/2008 22:11:18
Oh, the little Jocklanders are now getting riled. lol

Spineless, gutless whiners who won't take independence, but instead will sit crying to each other whilst waiting for it to be given. lol

That, wee insignificant Bravehearts, is why independence will never happen.

Best of British to you all...lol
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 22:12:49
391
Never tasted a burst gerbil covered in sellotape masel.

Waiting in anticipation of you not replying.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 22:16:29
393. Well said, And thanks for replying to me at 364 even though at 260 you said you never would. Some would say you look like a lying mong with the IQ of a snail, but I recognise your strength, and good stuff about whiners and Bravehearts!
278

Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 22:17:12
393
How do you suggest we "take" independence, apeboy?
By storming Edinburgh Castle on the 14th of July and releasing the ice cream vendors?

Or democracy?
279

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 22:17:28
394. I will never reply to you, I model myself on Monkey Man at 260!
280

Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 22:20:20
397
But you use Nair and trimmers!?
281

brownlie,

08/06/2008 22:22:55
374 Meths

We unionists are immune to your outrageous and scurrilous accusations regarding our normality.

282

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 22:26:41
400. LOL. I knew Cider Pete Monkey was intoxicated on something
283

Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 22:30:27
400
Col.
But I'm sure it isn't cider he's drinking.

Though I remember one time, in the beer bar a GU...

Somebody stopped me...
284

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 22:32:26
402. He said he saved your life by rehydrating you...
285

Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 22:35:52
403
Well he certainly didn't stopper me.
286

 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 22:40:22
405. LOL
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 23:02:15
408. It was my car. So what? I may have been on a downer at the end of a 3 day coke and drink binge, but I was mereley tryin to commune with dullards like Monkey Man. Your attempt to "out" me is shameful, and I can only assure that I was heading north from Girvan. You grass-bag.

Now - Col Blimp who is Paisley Pete Cider Monkey? the search begins


Steven Ross
Gender : Male
Age : 21
Nationality : Scottish
Location : Forres, Scotland


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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 23:03:08
409
14 fish suppers? Is that with broon sauce or vinegar?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

08/06/2008 23:07:09
411. Broon sauce>>? What an east coast elitist! Independence will never work (and is the broon sauce not diluted with vinegar anyway, making and oxymoronic juxtaposition of your snobby either/or anyway??)

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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 23:17:33
412
East coast elitist.
I like that.

"Edinburgh's slightly superior", beat "Glasgows miles better"
By a kilometre.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 08/06/2008 23:17:40
#413 Col You are lucky all I seem to get is Alaskan pollock in a batter.
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08/06/2008 23:23:40
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 23:23:52
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So you managed to extract your head from your sphincter...?

Obviously not.

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Willie Macleod,

Wick 08/06/2008 23:29:32
The Boris Johnson thread all over the place and full of insults like the man himself.

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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 23:42:07
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Certainly.

Surgery of the Anus, Rectum and Colon by Michael R.B. Keighley and Norman S. Williams (Hardcover - Oct 1993)

They use scalpels though.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 08/06/2008 23:46:35
#421 Col. Blimp You still can get a good choice of fish in Wick.

I was talking about the supermarkets Not the fish and chip shops Sorry
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Conan the Librarian™,

08/06/2008 23:49:58
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Evening Willie.
Lots of mentalists on here tonight.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 09/06/2008 00:08:53
#425 Hello Conan how are you?

Mentalists yes as I said at #422 a fitting tribute to Borris Johnson
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Conan the Librarian™,

09/06/2008 00:17:43
On the new threads Willie.

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Teachers-hit-out--at.4163980.jp#2881823

Sheer insanity.
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kimba,

09/06/2008 11:59:11
Well said Boris,problem is it's not just London having to fork out,the whole of England is having to do without so the scottish raj in westminster can keep scotland in the union,it's about time we All had a vote on independence!
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kimba,

09/06/2008 16:34:25
430. As a UNION WE All deserve a say in whether we seperate!
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Wynn,

ClYDESDALE 09/06/2008 17:15:56
Nice one,Dave c , nice one....and a rare swing to the phrasing.
More, please, lots more.
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Highland Mighty,

10/06/2008 00:28:43
What a pathetic (and wholly predictable) response from the nats.

They claim endlessly, day after day, how Scotland subsidises Europe's strongest economic region WITHOUT PROOF.

Yet as soon as the Londoners return the favour, the teddies get thorwn out of the pram.

'Nationalism', ladies and gentlemen! Isn't it wonderful!

No. They are a bunch of sad losers and the sooner we are rid of them, the very, very much better we will all be.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 11:28:13
Keeep it up Boris, Independence is just round the corner.
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Sedov,

Scotland 10/06/2008 16:10:23
Boris will have London Transport at a standstill very shortly because he cannot engage his brain before his mouth. But there again, he is a Tory and the SNP like the Tories don't they?
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Billiam Wallace,

28/01/2009 01:34:10
#322 What a pathetic and ridiculous post from a moron.

Quote: "They claim endlessly, day after day, how Scotland subsidises Europe's strongest economic region WITHOUT PROOF."

Hahahahahahahahahahaha! Is it still an economic powerhouse? I don't think it's quite what it was. The value of the pound against the yen is around half that of last year. The great financial centre of London got the UK into the bankrupt state it is in now.

Quote: "Yet as soon as the Londoners return the favour, the teddies get thorwn out of the pram."

What are you dribbling about here? Makes no sense but then, neither does the union.

Quote: "'Nationalism', ladies and gentlemen! Isn't it wonderful!"

It might well be, once we are independent and people like you have left to live in your beloved (bankrupt)England and dream of the days of the empire, (not the cinema).

Quote: "No. They are a bunch of sad losers and the sooner we are rid of them, the very, very much better we will all be."

I presume you are referring to the NuLiebore Party here as they are set to be the biggest losers in British political history if Strangely Brown ever has the nerve to call an election. Personally, I think the gutless wretch will have to be sectioned, drugged, slapped in a straight jacket and carried out of number ten. Horrible, despicable scrub of a man.

 

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