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Published Date: 22 May 2009
ALEX Salmond has threatened to resign, along with the rest of his government, if opposition parties go ahead with an unprecedented vote of no confidence in his justice secretary.
Last night, the ministerial career of justice secretary Kenny MacAskill was hanging by a thread after a furore over the escape of a prisoner once dubbed "the most dangerous man in Britain".

For the second week running, opposition parties were considering a vote of no confidence in the minister, with only an act of brinkmanship by the First Minister standing in their way.

The Scotsman has learned that a vote of no confidence would have been tabled this week had Mr Salmond not made it clear his government would resign, probably forcing an unwanted election. He has let it be known that he will not countenance opposition parties deciding the composition of his cabinet, and there are fears that if Mr MacAskill were forced to resign, similar votes on his colleagues would follow, starting with education secretary Fiona Hyslop – recently branded the Scottish Government's "weakest link".

It was clear last night, however, that opposition parties were considering calling Mr Salmond's bluff.

Labour's justice spokesman, Richard Baker, said: "It is now clear Kenny MacAskill is not fit for purpose. Time is running out for Kenny MacAskill as he oversees one blunder after another."

It is understood all three main opposition parties will be considering over the weekend supporting a vote of no confidence.

The issue last week was Mr MacAskill refusing to accept the will of parliament and ignoring a vote on setting up a new community court in Glasgow to deal with low-level crimes. But MSPs were even more furious this week over his inaction regarding the escape of Brian Martin on Monday.

The dangerous criminal, known as The Hawk, who is convicted of gun crime with a record of going on the run from the police, had been put into Castle Huntly open prison just three years into a ten-year sentence. It emerged that Mr MacAskill had only got round to sending a letter yesterday morning to Mike Ewart, the chief executive of the Scottish Prison Service, three days after Martin had gone on the run.

And Mr MacAskill, who had refused to speak on the issue until yesterday, resisted calls for an inquiry.

Opposition MSPs have pointed out that certain criminals, such as Martin for example, were not supposed to be allowed in the open estate of Castle Huntly after Robert Foye escaped in 2007 while serving a sentence for attempted murder and raped a 16-year-old girl.

The many blunders of controversial justice secretary …

KENNY MacAskill's tenure as justice secretary has been riddled with gaffes and controversy.

• He failed to introduce the 1,000 new police officers promised in the SNP manifesto until the Nationalists were forced to do it to winTory support for their first budget.

• He went to Canada instead of attending a conference on knife crime in the parliament.

• He became a passionate advocate for measures to tackle alcohol partly because, in 1999, shortly after becoming an MSP, he was arrested for being drunk and disorderly at Wembley before an England-Scotland game, which he was attending as a Tartan Army member.

• He wants to replace short-term sentences with community punishments, saying prisons as "a bit of a skoosh". But he has failed to fund the scheme properly, and criminals often wait months before carrying them out.

• He has failed to get on top of fiscal fines, with only half paid.

• He has extended early releases, although much of the legislation was brought in by other governments. It means someone on an 18-month sentence may serve just three months.


The full article contains 633 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 21 May 2009 11:50 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The Scottish Parliament
 
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The Online Scot,

Scotland 21/05/2009 22:37:11
The Unionists have been desperate for the Scottish government to fail since 2007. However every threat has been faced down by the SNP, the last one was the infamous budget fiasco that led to climbdowns by Labour and the Lib Dems.

"For the second week running opposition parties were considering a vote of no confidence!"

2007 and the Westminster scandals involving their own MP's has taught Labour nothing. If they go ahead with the vote then hell mend them. The Scottish public will not forgive a party playing political games with Scotland's governance whilst Labour/Liberal and Conservative MP's are displaying greed and arrogance on a massive scale.

"Labour's justice spokesman, Richard Baker, said: "It is now clear Kenny MacAskill is not fit for purpose."

Really Mr Baker, and who amongst your ranks do you suggest as a replacement?. I'm willing to bet that the Scotish electorate will utterly destroy what's left of your risible excuse for a party.
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

21/05/2009 22:48:15
ALEX Salmond has threatened to resign along with the rest of his government if opposition parties go ahead with an unprecedented vote of no confidence in his justice secretary.
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The Hawk will be a worried man.
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 22/05/2009 00:07:34
Hold on a minute, Labour down at Westminster are petrified of an election, but at Holyrood they may force one....

Do Labour honestly believe they will return more MSP's if there is an election ?

Am I missing something here ???
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 22/05/2009 00:13:56
A vote of no confidence: Another Holyrood election, this time giving the SNP an outright majority - BRING IT ON!!!!!!
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 22/05/2009 00:17:15
The time is perfect for a Holyrood election. I really hope the opposition parties have the bottle to have a vote of no confidence.

I'll go as far and say, there couldn't be a better time to have an election !!!
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 22/05/2009 00:25:00
#1, very generous of you.

"Britain's economic stability has come under the gravest scrutiny yet again after the Government's debt was placed under official review by the world's leading ratings agency for the first time in more than three decades"

Tell me, should we also let the Westminster government also run its course.
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druidh,

edinburgh 22/05/2009 00:28:16
I thought we'd done this to death already. If AS dissolves the Government, it would be up to the opposition parties to form a new one from the sitting MSPs. There wouldn't necessarily have to be an election.
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22/05/2009 00:31:21
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Observer,,

Glasgow 22/05/2009 00:33:10
Quite frankly I am sick of all this rubbish. Kenny McAskill tells it as it is. Those who think he doesn't - what precisely is your solution ? And if you are so feckwitted as to believe that McCaskill is personally responsible for everything - do us all a favour and get yourself put down.

We need to have a SERIOUS attempt to reform our VICTORIAN penal system.

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FerryPort,

22/05/2009 00:37:52
What if they catch him?
Will everybody be happy again?

Grey, he has london scarped accoss his furrowed brow
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/05/2009 00:39:04
#19,druidh.

You're correct.

But which Unionist Parties will form the Coalition?
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FerryPort,

22/05/2009 00:40:56
scraped
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FerryPort,

22/05/2009 00:44:50
Unionists coalition
whit in scotland
that'd mean ..
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Mogwai Fear Santa,

22/05/2009 00:53:02
Hands up who wants McAskill's predecessor back as Justice Secretary? Cathy Jamieson, take a bow! With her dynamic grasp of policy, incisive decision making, rapier wit and an intellect beyond the ken of mere mortals, surely this political colossus will meet up to the expectations she set during the last election on Newsnight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq4OsKUyTco

She's certainly the very, very, very, very, very best wummin for the job.
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FerryPort,

groupie de Salmond 22/05/2009 00:56:56
If Alec says then it's okay wi me
If Alec says and so does all his party

And so do all of us

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Edward,

22/05/2009 01:03:09
This ladies and gentleman is yet another continueing smear and negative attack campaign mounted by Labour
aimed at trying to show up tyhe SNP Government in a bad light. The aim is to attack specific Scottish ministers over short periods. First there was a continual attack against Fiona Hyslop, the Education secretary. Using any and every story, even to the extend of bending stories, such as the one on the reduction of secondary school pupils learning languages.Fact was, it was found that pupils were finding it 'uncool' and that Labour themselves were responsible due to reductions implemented in 2001.But Labour instigated a campaign using Angus McLeod of the Times and David Maddox and Hamish MacDonnel of the Scotsman as well as the Daily Record to attack Fiona Hyslop at every opportunity. Now Labour are placing all their effort against Kenny MacAskill. First it was his trip to Canada in January, now its a prisoner escaping an open prison. Its the same reporters that are doing Labour's bidding.Its funny if you go to the Times you see the same story written up by Angus Macleod.But in the same paper, Magnus Linklater states ' Labour's notion that Mr MacAskill had forgotten to lock the cell door, and was therefore personally responsible, did not carry the conviction needed to make the charge stick'
No doubt we will see more stories attacking Kenny MacAskill.The day we see Labour actually perform as an opposition in a consensus parliament, with an intent to work in a business like manner, pigs will fly!
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Castaway™ ,

22/05/2009 01:09:44
Loosing a "vote of no confidence" doesn't necessary mean a general election must follow.

Under Holyrood rules, if a motion of no confidence in the First Minister is supported by 25 MSPs, a vote is taken in parliament.

If this vote is carried, MSPs have 28 days to appoint a new First Minister.

If no First Minister is chosen, a general election is called.
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22/05/2009 01:25:54
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tartangladbach,

edinburgh 22/05/2009 01:35:58
lets have an election and ask the people for an snp majority to run the country. as the other parties only seem interested in their parties interests and not the scottish peoples. maybe if they stopped playing politics and started representing the their constituants interests instead of their own selfish agenda. lets have an election i for one would take a two week holiday to campaign for snp majority.
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2Right,

On Location 22/05/2009 03:11:39
Time Mr MacAskill made our SCCRC more independent of the Judicial System.

It was anticipated that two thirds would be independent while one third would be legally qualified, yet at present SCCRC are solely staffed from the Judiciary with 95% staff from lawyers, PF's and Judges or Ex Police etc etc
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2Right,

On Location 22/05/2009 03:15:48
Is Kenny MacAskill still bound by Law Society Protcol him being a Lawyer ?

Looks like it the way he is acting

If he cannot act independently then he should perhaps pass the job to someone not a Lawyer.

Maybe Alex Neil or the likes, willing to look independently at issues would make a better Justice Minister instead of Housing Minister
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Finlang,

Liaoning 22/05/2009 03:17:00
I for one would vote against the embassassing chump MacAskill, and if Salmond wants to carry out his threat to quit so be it. Stick to the promise and do so. MacAskill has been a liability in the Justice Minister's post from Day One, dispensing daft ideas on the hoof.

If Salmond can justify keeping him in that post (or any other, come to that) then he must think the voters are truly stupid.

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Anonym,

22/05/2009 03:18:39
"It was clear last night, however, that opposition parties were considering calling Mr Salmond's bluff."

Well then lets see, if Salmond is bluffing, as you say he is, then not calling it would be very poor tactics.

Unless it's really a double bluff.

Have a look at FMQs sometime people.
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Anonym,

22/05/2009 03:25:26
Finlang, you've misunderstood. The MSPs need to vote against MacAskill before there can be any talk of sticking to promises.
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DunCraig,

Brisbane 22/05/2009 03:41:33
Promises, promises! There again, he's a politician and they're not exactly known for keeping their promises!
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The Kids Are Alright,

22/05/2009 03:43:36
So, Salmond's ploy of "if you don't stop I'm telling my Dad on you" had badly backfired
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missing home,

la verne 22/05/2009 04:28:31
@. Online Scot.
What an intelligent post, it was a pleasure to read, thank you.
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Murray in Canada,

Salt Spring Island 22/05/2009 04:28:43
Okay, so which fool was it who decided this criminal [Hawk] should go to an open sort of prison?
If MacAskill is responsible for letting cons out ridiculously early, then he deserves rebuke. The rest of the article is the same old rubbish.
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donald,

glasgow 22/05/2009 04:36:54
Yes. Please do, so that the electorate can deliver a vote of no confidence to the Lib Lab numpties.
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22/05/2009 04:47:12
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The Kids Are Alright,

22/05/2009 05:01:10
Salmond has been watching repeats of The Banana Splits again.

He really needs to do a reality check now and again
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 22/05/2009 05:26:02
#1 Handbag Stealin,

"However at the moment, let's just let the Nats hang in there till 2011 and their manifest mendacity and incompetence become all the more apparent."

The Unionists are terrified of being faced with the peoples judgement. They realize an election right now would result in an absolute majority for the SNP.

Got news for you, you will face the same fate in 2011.
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Fitba Krazy,

22/05/2009 05:28:01
How the heck is one man supposed to be responsible for all prisoners?

Surely it is the responsibility of the prison authorities and the governors of each prison to oversee the efficient running of these institutions?

If there is a problem with the governors then perhaps that is K MacAskill's responsibility, but it it absurd in the extreme to expect K. MacAskill to be personally responsible for keeping an eye on every prisoner himself.

I don't necessarily agree with everything that happens within the Scottish Parliament and who would? but, I must say I find the inept Labour Party's witch hunts regarding SNP members laughable and stupid and, typically, here we have an example. Why bother with delegating responsibility if one person can do the job?

Labour = gross ineptness, as we all should know by now.

How, when it is Labour's absurdity that is the cause of major problems and the SNP is the Government can Labour become a replacement Government brought about by Labour's own malicious behaviour?

Yes call an election and while yer at it how about a general election as well to give us the opportunity to bin the self serving idiots called the Labour Party for good.
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suileandubh,

australia 22/05/2009 05:32:39
how long have they been trying to drag alex salmond down? for ever. there is no end to their desperation but if salmond follows through and an election is called, do they really all think in their narrow minded scared minds that they'll be in with a majority, given the current mess of Westminster? Let Salmond lead Scotland. instead of wasting all that energy trying to drag him and his cabinet down, start 'doing' politics. Lang may yer lum reek alex.
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ColinMz,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 06:09:14
We haven't heard him threaten to resign for a while - since the last time he and the SNP were doing well in the opinion polls. With the fiasco of Westminster MPs expenses dragging down the UK parties, he must reckon he'd do well in an a Holyrood election.
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nabodican,

Rural Scotland 22/05/2009 06:16:23
As a first minister, the man is a disgrace. It can only be good news if he resigns.
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Ubi,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 06:32:32
Very revealing. If Salmond had fancied his chances at an election he need not have threatened in advance to resign. He could simply have resigned if a vote of no confidence in MacAskill was carried, wrong footing his opponents in the process.

By threatening the opposition with an election which they don't want he shows that he doesn't want one either.

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Smokeysco,

Lochgilphead 22/05/2009 06:37:04
There would be dancing in the streets of Scotland if Mr Salmond stepped down and took his bully team with him.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 22/05/2009 06:45:53
#55 Smokey

Aye, the people would be overjoyed at the chance to take a few political scalps in light of the scandal in Westminster.

Unfortunately it would be the Labour MSPs who pay for venality of the Labour MPs.
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 22/05/2009 06:56:01
election election the people want an election to rid themeselves of the cabal of trough feeding incompetent labour politicians that are afoot in britian.

BROON IS DOOMED HE HAS LET THE COUNTRY DOON
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buzzer,

Aberdeen 22/05/2009 07:04:35
#28 Asolutely spot on. As a social worker I know first hand how unsuitable the previous Minister was. Kenny MacKaskill is somone who realises that a holistic approach from sentencing to alcohol reduction and education are key to breaking the cycle of offenders. Things are much better over the last two years that more high risk offenders are being rehabilitated.

The vaccuous Richard Baker states that the Justice Minister is not up to the job. Oh for a television debate with Baker up against MacKaskill that might shut the former up.
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Robbie 2,

22/05/2009 07:12:12
53 nabodican, states:” As a first minister, the man is a disgrace. It can only be good news if he resigns."

Alex Salmon is the only FM ever mentioned (admittedly not often but at least mentioned) on overseas news. Scotland has ‘slightly’ more exposure since having a SNP Government (although most don’t understand it). He like all, politicians, have their faults but he is so far ahead of all other Scottish politicians that to make your remark is unbelievable imperceptive.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

22/05/2009 07:16:37
How come this 'story' doesn't appear in any real newspapers??

How come this 'story' doesn't rate a mention on the radio??

How come this 'story' doesn't rate a mention on the TV??

Or is this another New Labour Sleaze press release???
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

22/05/2009 07:21:08
#17 Cynicus

You asked who the Hawk was. Did you not read the article above?

Clearly not.

Feel free to pass comments on this forum, however may I politely suggest you read the newspaper item that it pertains to first?
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brownlie,

22/05/2009 07:22:20
58 buzzer

Excellent post. It appears that, for the first time, a Justice Minister is looking for long-term solutions to one of the biggest problems in Scotland, as opposed to previous cosmetic and ineffectual measures put forward by the previous administrations.
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brownlie,

22/05/2009 07:23:26
61 Creature

Morning, Rufus, day-shift today then?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 22/05/2009 07:24:28
Who exactly does Mr Salmond imagine he's fooling? It will take more than a vote of no confidence on the hapless Mr MacAskill for him to jeopardise his stay at Bute House.
However, his constant threats to resign are becoming the political equivalent of that wee lassie who threatened to skweem and skweem and skweem....Mr Salmond will be threatening to hold his breath next...dear god, Scotland deserves better than this second rate huckster.
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brownlie,

22/05/2009 07:26:21
53 nabodican

Your post certainly lives up to your moniker.
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Stan Butler,

22/05/2009 07:26:57
#64 Grahamski

Violet Elizabeth Bott
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brownlie,

22/05/2009 07:27:50
64 Grahamski

"Scotland deserves better" - and your suggestion would be??
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 22/05/2009 07:31:40
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That's the one. Who is more irritating?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

22/05/2009 07:31:49
Hi Stan,

How's the Royal Mail privatisation coming along??

Will there have to be a General Election if the Tories fail to back the privatisation and the bill fails??

Funny how a 'socialist' party are so keen on privatisation??

Do you think Maggie Thatcher influences Comrade Broon??

Do tell, oh wise one!!!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 22/05/2009 07:36:39
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Scotland deserves a first minister who puts the country before any narrow political aspirations they may have. Unfortunately for us our current incumbent can't quite rise above the petty point scoring and snide comments he so enjoys.
So, I would suggest that those in the nationalist ranks Mr John Swinney has the credentials to carry out the duties of first minister with a dignity and integrity so singularly lacking in Mr Salmond.
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22/05/2009 07:40:07
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 07:40:37
Salmond threatens to resign over this, despite if there was a vote of no confidence, it would be the will of Holyrood if they had no confidence in MacAskill.

Does this not contrast sharply with the same Mr Salmond who himself rubber stamped the tram scheme he had feigned to oppose for votes in his manifesto then meekly and willingly rubber stamped saying it was democracy and the will of the other parties?

He can't have it both ways.
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brownlie,

22/05/2009 07:46:29
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Interesting to note that your preference for First Minister is from the nationalist ranks. It would appear, therefore, that your only objection is to Salmond's personality and not the SNP's policies.
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South Ayrshire Sanny Hossack,

Hollyrood comedy club 22/05/2009 07:49:02
It was only a matter of time, he should have seen it coming, this is what happens when you are a numpty.
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Boy Wonder,

22/05/2009 07:50:51
That's just fine, Eck! QUIT!!!

When are you going to realise, it's not just the other parties who have no confidence in your Justice Minister? You seem to be one of only a handful who can't see that MacAskill is a buffoon!

Get shot of him or face losing the support you have gained over the last few years!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 22/05/2009 07:51:21
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Interesting to note that you can't rise above petty point scoring. Something of a nationalist trait, perhaps?
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Cracker06,

Livingston 22/05/2009 07:51:51
Give me what I want or I'll resign - is that the only record the Alex Salmond can play.

Since becoming FM it appears to be his favourite tactic - how many times has be pulled this stunt.

Are the SNP supporters out there (of which I used to be one, before this toad reclaimed the leadership) really so blind to this - when he appears to be losing the arguement he throws his toys out of the pram in a temper tantrum. Is he really in such need of blind obedience from everyone?

I just wish the opposition parties would grow a spine between them and challenge him on it - I believe that like he did before he'd walk out on us and slink back to Westminster.
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boudica,

Glasgow 22/05/2009 07:55:06
Once again Wee Eck shows his Diplomatic International Leadership skills....
( Mugabe style )..Yep...
Promises ,Promises , Promises ...
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 22/05/2009 07:56:11
Surely as the SNP are a minority Government there doesn't have to be an election. A coalition could form the Government. maybe call it a national unity coalition to help Scotland through the financial criscis. the SNP risk being made a sideshow thanks to alex salmonds petulance.
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 07:57:31
The Unionist parties are indeed bluffing?

Unlike Nationalist Alex Salmond, who represents a truly independent, Scottish political party, the UK leaders of the Unionist parties in Scotland will NOT allow their "regional" subordinates to precipitate early elections at the Scottish Parliament which could have serious implications for the Union.

Minor politicians like Gray, Scott, and Goldie can bluster as much as they like but in the end they will simply do as they are told!



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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 22/05/2009 07:59:39
#72 Grahamski,

Alex Salmond has been a very effective First Minister and the SNP a more than competent Scottish Government. Certainly, polling evidence suggests that both he and his government are popular.

It's questionable whether opposition parties should be seeking to pick off cabinet ministers in this way and it suggests they are desperate to try and land some sort of blow, having failed to do so over the last two years.

As for Labour, today's poll in the Herald confirms the many we have seen since January which suggest that David Cameron's Tories are set to win the next General Election with a majority of around 150 seats, almost entirely delivered by English votes. A vote for Labour in Scotland may be no more than a vote to try and keep Labour from slipping into third place at Westminster behind the Lib Dems.
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brownlie,

22/05/2009 08:01:58
70 Grahamski,

A person of your obvious intelligence should attempt to avoid generalisations.

Pay attention to what is going on in the Parliament and you will find that, devoid of any positive policies, attempts at "petty point scoring" seems to be the only weapon in the unionist ranks.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 22/05/2009 08:09:15
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Mr Addison,
The current Scottish Executive have proved to be the most impotent administration Holyrood has ever experienced. Long on bluster, bragging and bravado and short on legislation they have relied on publicity-seeking gimmicks and petulant displays of grievance politics.
Their 'big ideas': SFT, Local Income Tax, Reducing class sizes, matching school building 'brick for brick'
lie in tatters as the cold light of reality crushes their undeliverable and irresponsible promises made before the election.
Added to that their economic arguments on the benefits to the Scottish people of independence have been reduced to an absurd economic act of faith by the global ecoonomic crisis currently engulfing us.
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steve52,

Kinfauns 22/05/2009 08:13:34
What a shower of hypocrites the unionist parties are especially the Libliars and Labour. I did not hear either of them call for heads to roll when a prisoner, who was wrongly moved to Noranside Prison against Prison Rules after being found with drugs in his possession, was granted home leave and went out and murdered a woman in her home.
So come on Ian Grey tell us why this was swept under the carpet? Why did Jim Wallace not lose his job? Why did Labour and the Libliars remain in power? Why did the Governor who agreed to move the prisoner against rules not lose his job?
What about the other prisoners who absconded from open prisons during Labour/Libliars watch. Why are you now playing politics with this when your lot were far worse?
As for Goldie well she and her lot have a brass neck as there were many prisoners who escaped when the Tories were last in power so whats she got to shout about? What about the riots in our prisons caused by Tory cut backs?There big idea was to refuse prisoners a bar of soap to wash or cleaning materials to clean the prison. Oh an lets not forget locking prisoners up 24 hours per day as Thatcher did not want a riot in a Scottish prison whilst the Perty conference was going on.
None of them, especially Labour, have a policy between them and all they can do is attack the Scottish Governemnt with the ever willing assistance of the Scotsman and its attack dog Mad-dox.

The decision to move a prisoner to an open prison is made by the prison service not Mr. MacAskill.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 22/05/2009 08:16:07
#92

I did not mention the SNP, who said they would be included in the coalition? "Who do you expect to give up their stupid unionist arguments" A vey arrogant statement considering the majority of the country share them and by definition are stupid.
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John H,

edinburgh 22/05/2009 08:21:48
Alex. What happened to governance with all the parties being involved in this minority goverment. You sad that.
MacAskill has been proved useless in his post and do the near 50% of the population who do not support you have no right of representation or opinion on the matter. Your type of democracy stinks of the bully so quite possibly it is you who is not fit for purpose.Egg on the face comes to mind and not from your substantial plate either.
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steve52,

Kinfauns 22/05/2009 08:23:54
So Kenny was arreted fo being drunk......was he out on a binge with Lord Foulks of the gutter perhaps? Did he not get taken to Court an found guily? This would make him feel right at home with the other convicted criminals ho park their fat backsides there.

Of course Joe Sixpack cannot hold any form of public office if he has been convicted of a crime.
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steve52,

Kinfauns 22/05/2009 08:28:02
#96 John H....you state that MacAskill has been proved useless could you please provide some evidence to back up that statement?
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bluehead,

edinburgh 22/05/2009 08:29:59
Alex Salmond is trying a fly move here,the way things are going it looks like he would be on a winner,should they take up his challenge,
but,even though I voted SNP,I cannot help but be disappointed with Kenny Macaskill,,the soft sentences,and the booze business, in which he seems to think that putting up the price of the drink will cure all ills is completely false,people like myself buy a bottle of whisky at the cheaper price which is then drunk sparingly ,and positively behave myself, are the ones who get persecuted for the actions of others,
as a pensioner the price is right for me,
I think I will try BNP next time,surely there is at least one party somewhere,who will treat people in a more fairer way,
one thing I must say I have the greatest respective,for Nicola Sturgeon,I would make her Prime Minister tomorrow if I had my way,I think she is lovely
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Highland Mist,

22/05/2009 08:34:06
"Vote against MacAskill and I'll quit", threatens Salmond!

Two in one! Result!

#78, you are correct - he is a buffoon and the other one is a baloon!

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drunken proffet,

Tassy 22/05/2009 08:34:12
Well do you look at the present situation and accept it, or do you look for alternatives. Kenny MacAskill is looking for alternatives that will benefit Scotland in the long term. Hands up anyone who can do the same job and put up with the grot.
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Dougie - Edinburgh,

22/05/2009 08:37:12
It's hard to understand why anybody would want to defend MacAskill, he's a total embarressment. #96, is there ANYTHING MacAskill has been able to handle without messing up?
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vcmoksfmofesamofaim,

22/05/2009 08:37:42
Let's consider the supposed 'main blunders' of Kenny Macaskill.

• He failed to introduce the 1,000 new police officers promised in the SNP manifesto until the Nationalists were forced to do it to winTory support for their first budget.

Gie's a break. Labour propaganda pure and simple. This was a skilful political game by John Swinney to get Tory support for the Budget. Surely everyone knows that?

• He went to Canada instead of attending a conference on knife crime in the parliament.

More Labour propaganda. Fergus Ewing, the minister responsible, attended the knife-crime conference. We all know that too.

• He became a passionate advocate for measures to tackle alcohol partly because, in 1999, shortly after becoming an MSP, he was arrested for being drunk and disorderly at Wembley before an England-Scotland game, which he was attending as a Tartan Army member.

This is so puerile it's not even worth a response.

• He wants to replace short-term sentences with community punishments, saying prisons as "a bit of a skoosh". But he has failed to fund the scheme properly, and criminals often wait months before carrying them out.

The basic premise is debatable, but seems more-or-less valid to me. As for funding, now where does the Scottish budget get its funding from again? To govern well, the Scottish Government really needs access to ALL the wealth of our country, not just the crumbs.


• He has failed to get on top of fiscal fines, with only half paid.
That's an improvement on the previous Lib/Lab administration.

• He has extended early releases, although much of the legislation was brought in by other governments. It means someone on an 18-month sentence may serve just three months.
If this is true, then here I'd say guilty as charged. Seems a misjudged policy.

So 4½ out of &. Room for improvement Kenny, but in general keep up the good work.
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A Crofter,

Broken Arce 22/05/2009 08:39:44
Didn't realise we had an opposition at Stonyrood.

Go for it!
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All Politicians are the same,

22/05/2009 08:40:58
#103
"Gie's a break. Labour propaganda pure and simple. This was a skilful political game by John Swinney to get Tory support for the Budget. Surely everyone knows that?"

So lieing is acceptable for some and not for others?
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Miss H,

22/05/2009 08:42:00
4 & 5 I agree with you, this is definitely a boy who cried wolf scenario. Labour won't move a motion of no confidence because they would be totally gubbed in the ensuing election. The polls are very clear on that. They are too scared even to call the North East by-election in July - trying to hold out to September. Why I do not know because things won't be any better for them by then.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 22/05/2009 08:44:20
#106

Who is crying Wolf? Do we need to have an election?
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Miss H,

22/05/2009 08:44:24
99 You have clearly drunk rather too much of that cheap whisky if you are contemplating a vote for the BNP.

Rather proves Kenny's point I think!
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Robert Mason,

Larkhall 22/05/2009 08:54:06
Go ahead and quit you bampot.
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The Strategist,

22/05/2009 08:54:37
"The Scotsman has learned that a vote of no confidence would have been tabled this week had Mr Salmond not made it clear his government would resign, probably forcing an unwanted election"

So there is actually no story then.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 08:54:39
I have just watched the replay of yesterday’s FMQs and Alex Salmond gave a robust defence of Kenny MacAskill’s record as Justice Secretary.

Reported crime at a record low, a record number of Policemen being trained at Tulliallan, and even a record low number of absconds from the open prison estate.

Now I’m not defending whoever made the decision to transfer Brian Martin to Castle Huntly, and I believe that there should be some sort of internal enquiry into why this was allowed to happen, however to suggest that the Justice Secretary is personally responsible for this error of judgement is ludicrous.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 22/05/2009 08:57:15
#109

Even the wildest polls showing support for the SNP still have the combined unionist party vote far above them. You "doubt" the majority are for the union, all the evidence suggests so. as for reasons to stay in the Uk we are already here in a country older than Germany, Belgium, Holland and Italy why split up they aren't..
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millport curler,

Millport 22/05/2009 09:03:27
We are all entitled to have an MP to represent us - shouldn't it therefore be law that the byelection takes place within a fixed number of days from the time of the resignation/sacking/death of the previous incumbent instead of letting it drag on for (boring) months?
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Robert Mason,

Larkhall 22/05/2009 09:17:59
As Salmond and MacAskill said "one abscond is one too many". Resign and be damned.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 22/05/2009 09:22:36
#118

Know your historyy! Germany was formed from many different small states after the creation of the Great Britain, as was Holland and belgium yet they have not great longing for separatism. Scotland is not part of england, indeed it is however part of Britain.
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eamon,

22/05/2009 09:29:09
#120

And many larger unions within Europe that are older than ours have broken up. Just because a union is old doesnt mean it works. Quite the opposite in some cases. This union has served its purpose, now is the time to end it.
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radge dug,

22/05/2009 09:29:39
#120 - however - Scotland has long been an independent nation with it's own identity and culture seperate from England. The English language was still in it's infancy when the Gaels and Welsh were composing their earliest classic bardachd. Parts of Scotland have been rule by Norway longer than by London.

We're Scots not Brits. Westminster is just an outdated and expensive layer of government that we don't need.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 09:29:43
117 millport curler

You make a fair point as there does not appear to be any set-down limit on how long a seat may remain vacant.

“A by-election must be held not less than 11 or more than 21 days after the issue of the writ. In practice, the time between a seat becoming vacant and the by-election being held is often prolonged while the party which held the seat awaits an opportune moment to hold the election. For example, the Newcastle-under-Lyme seat remained vacant for nearly nine months in 1969.”
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brownlie,

22/05/2009 09:30:11
116 All etc etc

It is a mistake to assume that those who vote for NewLabour/Tory/LibDems do so to preserve the union. There are quite a few in the Labour party, in particular, who would like to see a Scottish Labour party breaking away from the London based Labour party.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 22/05/2009 09:30:59
#121

Which older unions? I am not saying that a union is the natural state merely countering the idiotic Nat arguement that we should all go back to the "natural" stae of 1707.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 22/05/2009 09:33:19
#54 Ubi

I don't follow your logic.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 22/05/2009 09:33:39
#122

Less than 100,000 people can even speak gaelic and nobody uses it as their only language, get over it. The Prussians fought at waterloo but I must have missed the Prussian independence movement. britain is a realtively old country among the turbulent nation states of Europe.
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Mèths,

22/05/2009 09:35:48
"They also believe that there is too little security at the prison and that their community is already being plagued by inmates running amok around the village." erm - 2006

"Private security firm Reliance claims its performance is improving despite another prisoner escape last week." erm - 2004


Police are continuing their hunt for a prisoner who broke free from the hands of security guards at court in Fife." my oh my - 2004

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JaF,

22/05/2009 09:36:20
The opposition should proceed with the motion of no confidence and if carried the MSPs have 28 days to appoint a new FM.

This way Iain Gray MSP can become the First Minister and form the SG.

Off course if the opposition cannot select a FM within the 28 days there will be a general election for the SP but I am sure Iain can find a position underneath him for Tavish and Annabel within his Government.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 09:36:32
126 All Politicians are the same

The Eastern Roman Empire lasted for over a millennium.

Are you suggesting that because of its longitevity it should be re-instated?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 22/05/2009 09:38:34
72 graham

"Scotland deserves a first minister who puts the country before any narrow political aspirations they may have"

When you refer to the "country" do you mean Scotland or the UK?
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Satire above all,

22/05/2009 09:39:18
Hey Grahamski! It's THE SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT to you!
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 22/05/2009 09:40:11
#131

Absoloutely not, lets keep turkey the way it is, just like Holland, Germany, Belgium, Italy, Spain and Britain. You are getting my point now.
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smokey joe 1,

22/05/2009 09:42:02
124.
The arrogance of labour is breathtaking, as you state less prisoners have escaped under the SNP than the london controlled lib/lab failed executive.
Baker should be looking in the mirror and saying Im not fit for purpose,as for Gray he is not fit for anything.
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John H,

edinburgh 22/05/2009 09:42:03
98 His ridiculas policy on alcohol and taxtion, age limitation for buying drink and the fact that that more than likely cost the Glenrothes seat. The buck stops with him when it comes to prison matters and how the most dangerous, or one of the most dangerous men in Britan can be allowed to go to an open prison beggars belief. Not fit for purpose, as is the man who claimed £800.00 for meals in the Parliament when it was shut.
There no integrity here.
Shameless and blamless, don't do as I do just do as I say.
Where is the politics of concensus in SNP Scotland?
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eamon,

22/05/2009 09:42:05
126

The holy Roman Empire for a start, which contained large areas of all the countries mentioned above. What evidence do you have for saying the arguement for returning to the 1707 borders is idiotic. Some would say that blindly continuing with this farcical union is idiotic.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 22/05/2009 09:42:05
#133

Ah the normal Nat arguement, I don't have one so i will sigh in a superior nature and say "you just wouldn't understand".
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Cramondo,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 09:42:27
Read post 32 to get a good summary of how intemperate the loony wing of the nat bloggers can be.

And this all the way from Los Angeles. Not sure quite what to make of that.

Whilst the SNP would undoubtedly do well if (and that's unlikely) there was an election; the fact remains that a majority of the Scottish electorate never have, and, I think, never will, support their only reason for existing, independence.
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Satire above all,

22/05/2009 09:42:44
Since when did Britain become a country?
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The Tin Man,

22/05/2009 09:43:02
I used to quite like McAskill - I though he had some good ideas (although he also spouts hair-brained ideas). Unfortunately, it is starting to look like he really doesn't know what he is doing, doesn't understand how to implement much, and seems bewildered when attempting to understand the relationship between the exec and the judiciary. ie. He is not competent enough for the position of justice minister.

Given that Salmond will not countenance a coalition exec, the question then becomes: is there anyone else less incompetent?
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 22/05/2009 09:43:11
#138

So we dissoleve Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands as well?
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 22/05/2009 09:44:15
What Grahamski and other Labour supporters don't seem to realise is that there's no way back for Labour. I suspect there will be a General Election this year - it's only the Government's decision so long as they can withstand the pressure - and since January of last year the polls have suggested a huge majority for David Cameron's Tories is the likely outcome. Even the anger over the expenses scandal doesn't seem to have changed that likelihood.
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brownlie,

22/05/2009 09:48:16
130 JaF

Sorry for the delay in replying. I fell off my chair laughing at the prospect of Annabelle Goldie in a position under Ian Gray.
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bill-alba,

fife 22/05/2009 09:50:33
Perhaps unionist msp's time would be better spent debating a no confidence vote on Westminster??
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Satire above all,

22/05/2009 09:51:33
YOU sound worried 84 All Politicians are the same
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The Tin Man,

22/05/2009 09:52:42
#145 Brownlie

I think it would be healthier for you to discuss the pressing matter of Byzantine history, rather than thinking about Goldie and Scott under an octopus-like Mr Gray....
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eamon,

22/05/2009 09:54:00
#143

If they decide to no longer be part of their respective unions then fine. We have a case in Belguim where the Flems and the French are becoming increasingly hostile to each other. Bayern also has an optout clause within the union that is the Deutsche Bundesrepublik, not to even mention the Basques. Borders are fluid, unions break up and form all the time. This one is over. How much longer do you think the European Union will last?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 09:55:03
142 The Tin Man,


“Given that Salmond will not countenance a coalition exec, the question then becomes: is there anyone else less incompetent?”

Well up to your usual standard of well-researched comment.

Have you forgotten that Alex Salmond offered to form a coalition Government with the Lib-Dems?
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 22/05/2009 09:55:19
#147

In the increased era of Globalisation it is really just a matter of how much tax I have to pay. unfortunately work lets me see very liitle of home and probably have more in common with people from Manhattan and London than Stornoway.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 22/05/2009 09:55:50
140 Cramondo

"the fact remains that a majority of the Scottish electorate never have, and, I think, never will, support their only reason for existing, independence"

This is plain wrong. Virtually none of the people supported the Union when it was first imposed on them.
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eamon,

22/05/2009 09:58:06
148
Good advice, I will definately take it.
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JaF,

22/05/2009 09:58:30
Iain Gray, raised the prospect of a vote of no confidence against the SNP government.28 January 2009
Opposition parties are considering a vote of no confidence in Kenny MacAskill.15 May 2009
For the second week running, opposition parties were considering a vote of no confidence in the minister. 22 May 2009
(For the third week running, opposition parties are considering a vote of no confidence........) 27 May 2009

A pattern is developing Iain Gray for First Minister
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 22/05/2009 09:58:35
#149

The European Union is not much of a Union, and actually i am not in favour of it but Alex Salmond is , weird! All the afore mentioned countries do indeed have pressures yet none have broken up. I am pointing out tat unlike some nats beleive scotland is nowhere near being a unique case.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 10:00:36
143 All Politicians are the same

Your United Kingdom has only existed in its current format since 1922.

It not really all that old is it?
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The Tin Man,

22/05/2009 10:01:59
#150 bully

Obviously, he didn't offer hard enough, did he? Instead of dropping a separatism referendum that would have failed, anyway, he chose to press ahead and get it voted down in Holyrood. Democracy 0, pigheadedness 1.

It is time for the SNP to have a long and hard look at their core values, and become a normal political party, rather than continue as an ethno-patriotic front.
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brownlie,

22/05/2009 10:03:56
148 Tin Man

Yes, you're probably right. History never made me fall off my chair. "Byzantine" - good word, especially in the present circumstances.

151 "Globalisation" - good word, where have I heard it before?
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Mikey,

22/05/2009 10:03:59
#140,

I would direct you to any decent history book that will you that when the Easter Rising ocurred in Dublin in 1916, very few Dubs supported the revolutionaries. By 1917-18, there were very few Unionist MPs left in Ireland!

Now you may be a bit of an Empire Builder, but there is no empire any more! Wake up and smell the coffee!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 10:06:48
154 JaF

Was this the Iain Gray you had in mind?

“Which ONE, if any, of the following Scottish Political leaders do you think would make the best First Minister?

Alex Salmond - 36%
Annabelle Goldie - 10%
Iain Gray - 7%
Tavish Scott - 4%
Patrick Harvie - 1%”
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eamon,

22/05/2009 10:11:12
#155

I am also not in favour of the EU. I also agree we are not a unique case, but we are our case. This union is a farce. Its time it was dissolved. I dont think that the borders of 1707 are the natural state though. I do believe in nations working together though, and that after independence, all 4 countries within these islands will need to work together in areas of common interest and benefit. But even the most loyal unionist must see that in its present form this isnt working.
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JaF,

22/05/2009 10:16:50
#161 bully wee alba
Hold the vote of no confidence and if carried we would have below or a general election. Is why AS can call the oppositions bluff ?

Iain Gray First Minister
Tavish Scott as his deputy and Annabel Goldie as A.N.Other in his cabinet.




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The Tin Man,

22/05/2009 10:19:14
#163 Go

Here is what is written in your link:

"The most recent poll out today (courtesy of UK Polling Report ) has the following results.
CON 39%(nc), LAB 27%(+1), LDEM 17%(-5) Support for other parties continues to rise, it was up to 12% in Populus’s last poll, now it’s up to 19%, breaking down as SNP 4%, Green 2%, UKIP 6%, BNP 4% and Plaid 1%."


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Kenny A,

22/05/2009 10:19:44
162

Good post, lot of sense in it.

Regarding MacAskil he is a liability to any party.

Salmond is a sharp operator but he has made a mistake with this threat he made. MacAskil is so poorly thought of in his post of Justice Minister that if he is protected people will vote against the SNP.
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Allan(handofgod137),

22/05/2009 10:20:05
Just loving the way all you cybergnat sockpuppets are rushing to defend failure as usual. Perhaps if our penal system went back to Victorian methods, such as hard labour, spartan living conditions and strict discipline, prison would become a deterrent once more.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 22/05/2009 10:24:17
#167 Kenny A,

I think you are wrong. I can't see any anti-SNP vote at the moment. Polls suggest they are still doing well and, in fact, seem to be performing better than many would have expected. The likely outcome of a General Election is 14 to 20 seats for the SNP. Labour are in danger of coming third at Westminster behind the Lib Dems and will be faced with a Tory majority of around 150. I'll be voting SNP to keep a strong voice for Scotland.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 10:24:52
164 JaF

Aunty Bella has previously stated that she would not support such a coalition.

If this remains the case then we would require to have a Scottish General Election.

Have a look at all the recent opinion polls and ask yourself who would benefit from such an outcome,
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eamon,

22/05/2009 10:27:06
#167

I agree he is the weak link, but I dont think AS is making a mistake. If MacAskill goes, who will the wolves turn on next. MacAskill is actually a very smart guy, its just this isnt the job for him. A bit of a reshuffle would be best I think.
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Allan(handofgod137),

22/05/2009 10:30:37
#170 You are defending FAILURE, in the shape of kenny the halfwit, and a cybergnat is a small irritating insect who buzzes around the message boards before being swatted.
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The Tin Man,

22/05/2009 10:37:29
#175 Go Spookums

I think the more important question is whether anyone would bother to vote, if the 'none of the above' option is not included. When I cast my vote for 'other' on you blog that one and only vote for 'others' gave them 4%!

Then you post the results of 73 vote, possibly mostly from the same person, on a politically biased blog. I have to ask you why you think there is any point in doing that?
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The Tin Man,

22/05/2009 10:39:42
#175 Go Spookums

Interestingly, I see that your poll predicts that the Others Party will be forming the opposition.
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The Tin Man,

22/05/2009 10:46:56
#180

Mr Salmond head to head with Mr Others in the great advanced media watch genuinely scottish clever poll.
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The Tin Man,

22/05/2009 10:49:55
#181 Go

"Remember the average nurses pay debate ? Your acting like that all over again."

Your poll sums up to 98% if you wish to grapple with basic arithmetic.


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The Tin Man,

22/05/2009 10:52:17
Go Spookums

I think you are spelling 'poll' wrongly - it starts with 'tr', not 'p'.
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Miss H,

22/05/2009 10:53:10
107 Yes. The only alternative to an election if the SNP step down would be for the Tories, Lib Dems and Greens to vote for Iain Gray to be First Minister. There is zero chance of that happening. Even if Iain Gray was not such a poor leader they would not do it.

Labour have threatened to bring down the Government before and they have never done it because they know what the outcome would be – an election which they would lose and lose badly.
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Stan Butler,

22/05/2009 10:57:30


Fat N'Eck Salmond says he won't let the opposition dictate the make up of his cabinet.

Fine. So what the opposition should do is draw up a list of the weaker links and successively call for their resignations, highlighting their shortcomings.

Fat N'Eck is then stuck with them.


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The Tin Man,

22/05/2009 11:01:24
#187

:-) Lol

Hook, line & sinker.

Nothing about MiG's on the blog, yet?
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The Tin Man,

22/05/2009 11:05:11
Spook

Just for you:

http://www.airplanemodelworks.com/sukhoi-su37-jet-model-airplane-p-888.html
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Miss H,

22/05/2009 11:18:50
167 I don't agree with you on that. Glasgow - scene of the next by-election - has seen a much larger deployment of police on the streets since the SNP came to power. The south side crime figures for the past year have just been published with crimes reduced by up to 50 per cent in hot spots. When the north side figures are published they may be even more dramatic. I am not about to say that kenny macaskill is personally responsible for cutting crime because that is the job of the police. But if he is to be held accountable for the things that go wrong on his watch he is also responsible for the things that go right. So well done Kenny.
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Miss H,

22/05/2009 11:25:24
190 The Libs won't vote for Gray - no-one will. They do not wish to be associated with failure.
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Darien,

Panama 22/05/2009 11:32:02
#176 Allan; "You are defending FAILURE"

Don't be silly. If you want failure, look no further than Westminster, Downing St, Whitehall and the former NewLab/FibDum coalitions at Holyrood. There you will find failure aplenty.

Kenny is in reality a fine Justice Secretary, and an excellent constituency MSP. Though that transition was not difficult considering what he followed on from (I take it you remember Cathy & The Aparatchniks.......)
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Number 6,

Germany 22/05/2009 11:39:27
On you go Alex. The majority of the country are behind you.Rid yourself of these hectoring incompitents once and for all.
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James,

Dundee 22/05/2009 11:46:06
'forcing an unwanted election'


Yes by Gordon Brown!

His Holyrood placemen will be slapped down.
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mandy s,

dundee 22/05/2009 11:51:04
#1 You are suggesting that we should continue to allow repetitions of awful negligence and incompetence resulting in murder and mayhem to continue, the victims are the voters being denied the opportunity to change things! You are loopy and don't deserve voting powers!
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Allan(handofgod137),

22/05/2009 11:56:52
#178 & #196 Our esteemed justice minister McHalfwit has been an abject failure since he took office. In fact his performance has stood out in the Disneyesque gnat administration. Instead of tackling the real problems with the powers he has, he has seen fit to spend most of his time whining on about an airgun ban, which no one but his fellow travellers on the left want. The facts are, the gnats are old labour wrapped in a saltire, and McHalfwit is a liability, who with a few years of intensive training might be fit to clean a cludgie under close supervision.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 22/05/2009 11:56:58
Another day another cry wolf from Labour, the tactic is so obvious, because Ian Gray and Labour aren't landing a glove on Alex Salmond they are probing around the sides.

They've been having a go at Fiona Hyslop without success and now are trying Kenny MacAskill,and doing so also without success.

Oh a vote of no confidence, they wouldn't because as Miss H has stated who is going to vote for Ian Gray.

They are making themselves look even more stupid, if that was possible.

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Yeah1,

22/05/2009 11:57:59
"Kenny is in reality a fine Justice Secretary, and an excellent constituency MSP."

He may well be an excellent constituency MSP but the many errors and mistakes during his tenure as Justice Secretary, as highlighted by this article, quite clearly prove that he is not a 'fine' justice secretary.

Why would the other parties all be considering a vote of no confidence against him if he was doing a good job?

As highlighted by other posters on here, labour do not want another Holyrood election at this point, so it seems strange that they would go this close to risking one unless MacAskill actually is doing such a poor job he needs to be removed.

I am sure Salmond would have already removed him himself if it were not for the fact that he doesn't want to be seen to be bowing to the will of the other parties.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 22/05/2009 12:00:42
I just had a look at Richard Baker's CV, lacking in vital experience outside the Labour party sunshine.
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Electric Hermit,

22/05/2009 12:00:49
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Gene Pool

"The comments of the SNP support here, get more shrill and extreme by the day."

The only "shrill and extreme" comment here is your idiotic comparison of the SNP's civic nationalism with the racist hate-mongering of the BNP and the lunatic terrorism of ETA.

The idea that 25% or more of the Scottish electorate would support racists and terrorists goes beyond idiotic and into the realms of insanity.

Seek help immediately!
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crabbit_bassa,

22/05/2009 12:01:28
#2 Good Guy

#3 W*nk.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 22/05/2009 12:04:08
206 Spook I don't the tories would vote for Gray, especially with a UK GE in the offing.

It would be a tactical and strategic mistake, as it would give them a platform to tell everybody that Labour was doing great etc.

Annabel would know it's best to let them boil in there own juices in opposition, the lassie isn't daft.
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GONNYNODEATHAT,

Glasgow 22/05/2009 12:06:00
He should resign then and we can judge Him and Others for Greed. He still has serious questions to answer on his £400 per month for Curries.
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22/05/2009 12:06:30
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 22/05/2009 12:07:40
205 They have failed to attck Alex Salmond and the SNP head on and are trying to snipe at the flanks, however they have found the SNP is parliament are very disciplined and the SNP group have pulled together in a phalanx against any attack.
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22/05/2009 12:08:18
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Dún Aenghus,

22/05/2009 12:08:35
Scotland's enemies are at it again. These people just cant cope with the idea that Scotland is capable of full Independence.Their foolish antics in trying to desparately hang on to mother Englands apron strings,is indeed pathetic.
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Yeah1,

22/05/2009 12:14:48
#214

"Work and Pensions Secretary Peter Hain could face a police inquiry into the late declaration of donations to his failed Labour deputy leader campaign.
It is one of the options being looked at by the Electoral Commission, which is already investigating the matter."

Why on earth are you posting something which is completely irrelevant to the actual article?

Not only that, it is not even an up-to-date news item. Hain has not been work & pensions secretary for well over a year - very weird....
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Tartan Viking,

22/05/2009 12:20:50
#222. Go Spookums.

You have to have a modicum of sympathy for this bunch of no hopers. Their beloved party has so f@@cked up the economy the only opportunity they get to is to post anti SNP drivel in order to deflect from this.

Thankfully people are seeing them for what they are - knuckle dragging morons who know no better. One day opur lane will be rid of them. One day soon.



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Electric Hermit,

22/05/2009 12:21:35
216
Gene Pool

"Salmond will collude with the BNP when it suits him."

It would be good to think that you yet retained sufficient grasp on reality to be capable of realising that this is no more than the product of a very sick mind.

If you truly believe that Alex Salmond would ever "collude" with the BNP then clearly I am far too late in urging you to seek help.
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22/05/2009 12:24:33
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Nellie,

Liverpool 22/05/2009 12:29:02
#41 Anonym
Oi! I LIKED the Muppets!! Miss Piggy for President! (I'm anti Royalist.) Animal for Justice Minister! Kermit for Ministry of Little Green Things!
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22/05/2009 12:29:40
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22/05/2009 12:33:22
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Yeah1,

22/05/2009 12:34:15
#217

"They have failed to attck Alex Salmond and the SNP head on and are trying to snipe at the flanks"

So in order to 'snipe at the flanks' and try to score a few political points labour and the other parties would risk having a possibly disastrous Holyrood election? Seems rather far fetched to me.

I think it is fairly clear that as Justice Secretary MacAskill is a liability - apart from anything else you cannot have a minister ignoring the will of a democratically elected parliament.
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Edward,

22/05/2009 12:38:06
The attacks on MacAskill are totally unfounded and based on a Labour smear campaign. Labour tried it on with Fiona Hyslop and failed, now the smear machine is on MacAskill
Its really pathetic that Labour uses smear and negativity instead of actually getting on with representing their consituents.
There are a couple of posers on here, one being 'gene pool' who is part of the Labour smearing campaign.Red Rag isnt dead, it still works on.Labour though are too stupid to realise they have been rumbled
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22/05/2009 12:38:12
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Edward,

22/05/2009 12:40:55
Question for the morons that are Gene Pool and Yeah 1
What chances does Labour think of winning tghe next General Election and winning the Scottish Election in 2011?
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Mèths,

22/05/2009 12:41:40
Gene Pool

What's yer problem wee man? Piles? Get a life Pete.
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Tartan Viking,

22/05/2009 12:42:56
#236. Edward.

I have to modify your last sentence if you don't mind.

"Labour though are too stupid to realise they have been rumbled"

The words ..."to realise they have been rumbled" are not necessary.
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Yeah1,

22/05/2009 12:45:59
#236

"The attacks on MacAskill are totally unfounded and based on a Labour smear campaign."

So he hasn't ignored the will of a democratically elected parliament?

The prisoner didn't escape from the open prison?

It seems strange that if this was merely a labour 'smear campaign' the other two major parties would also be considering a vote of no confidence as well.

I've no doubt labour have exaggerated MacAskill's poor performance to score political points, but to dismiss the accusations as 'unfounded' when there is clear evidence of mistakes is very inaccurate.
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Mèths,

22/05/2009 12:46:25
Paisley Gene

"I have never been banned for posting racist anything about you."

No - but weren't you banned when you had your tirade about Adair?
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

22/05/2009 12:47:46
Oh Dear, Spook has been deleted again.

No surprise.

Especially after his disgusting blog entries about David Maddox.

He should be ashamed of himself.
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Eve,

Scotland 22/05/2009 12:49:17
#19 druidh: The three unionist parties hate one another!!! It's asking a lot from them to join forces permanently for a year or two. Though it might be funny to watch BUT it might just also take the p£$$ at a time where most ourderney folk are struggling and make the public very angry.

Their Calm Commission, the apparent cross party affair reek of pure Labour propergander. It's highly evident that the Tories weren't all that interested and that the Lib Dems Ideas where being ignored.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 22/05/2009 12:49:44
235 No it's not fairly clear that the Justice Minister is a liability. Read the list of ''blunders'' provided by the Hootsman - media made myths. Most people involved with penal policy have breathed a sigh of relief that there is - at last - a Minister who is prepared to grasp the issues rather than pandering to popularism and the Daily Mail vote.

Gene - you are aware that you are beating up on a 23 yr old ? That's a bit undignified in my book.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 22/05/2009 12:50:57
235 Clearly he is not, because if he was Labour would allow him to dig his own grave.

That fact that the man has held a mirror to Scotland on alcohol and penal reform and many people have taken fright.

It's interesting that the will of parliament is now often used by many including yourself, changed days from the first 8 years.
205

JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 12:51:14
The bias of the Scotsman and Maddox shines through this story. The so called 'list of gaffes' is simply drivel.

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Yeah1,

22/05/2009 12:51:18
#238

"Question for the morons that are Gene Pool and Yeah 1
What chances does Labour think of winning tghe next General Election and winning the Scottish Election in 2011?"

Firstly please refrain from personally insulting me for no reason, or in your book is everyone who questions anything the SNP do automatically a 'moron'?

Second please do not associate me with the clearly troubled individual that is 'gene pool'.

Thirdly I'm not quite sure why you are asking me what labour thinks about winning those two elections (or I think thats what you asked, its not phrased very coherently), but I would suspect they think that they have very little chance of winning either.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 12:51:22
236 Edward
Surely even the most ardent SNP supporter has to acknowledge that Kenny MacAskill hasn't exactly covered himself in glory.

He does appear to be a bit of a liability but Alex Salmond can't getrid of him as this would be seen as pandering to pressure from the other parties.
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Mèths,

22/05/2009 12:51:29
Who all remembers Ciderman 542000? Banned he was.
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

22/05/2009 12:51:59
Gene has been deleted as well!

Unbelievable, he was only pointing out the truth.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 22/05/2009 12:52:04
241 If you think there is any clear - objective -evidence of McCaskill's unfitness for Office then please post it. And I don't mean rubbish out the Scotsman.

243 Ho ho ho Rufus. Imagine being deleted eh ? What did you do to deserve the privilege ?
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

22/05/2009 12:52:58
250 Mèths,22/05/2009 12:51:29
Who all remembers Ciderman 542000? Banned he was.
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Fraid not.

I can't even remember where I left my car last night.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

22/05/2009 12:53:26
Interesting article in the Daily Mail.

An October election is a growing prospect as Gordon Brown maps out his political fightback.

Arguments for "going on the front foot” with an early autumn contest are gaining support among senior ministers, including some Cabinet members whose advice will be sought by the Prime Minister.

"Mr Brown is said to be preparing a “national plan” showing how Britain will climb out of recession, to be announced after the expected rout in the local and European elections.

There will also be a Cabinet reshuffle to remove ministers tainted by scandal and sweeping reforms of parliamentary expenses."



http://tinyurl.com/r3z5ob


Bring it on as Red Wendy used to say!!!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 22/05/2009 12:54:14
251 You want to be associated with Gene Pool Rufus ? I hope you have a very long spoon.
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

22/05/2009 12:55:06
Observer I have never been deleted.

Just been banned.

All my posts have been preserved and are now ingrained in Scottish History.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 22/05/2009 12:55:12
253 Afternoon Rufus I hope you got the bus to work this morning?
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

22/05/2009 12:56:19
255 Observer,,Glasgow 22/05/2009 12:54:14
251 You want to be associated with Gene Pool Rufus ? I hope you have a very long spoon.
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I don't want to be associated with anybody. Well not on here anyway!
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

22/05/2009 12:57:42
Hi Tormod. At home today so no need.
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Yeah1,

22/05/2009 12:58:03
#245

"No it's not fairly clear that the Justice Minister is a liability. Read the list of ''blunders'' provided by the Hootsman - media made myths"

So its a 'myth' that the prisoner escaped?

#246

"It's interesting that the will of parliament is now often used by many including yourself"

So you believe its perfectly acceptable for a minister to ignore the will of a democratically elected parliament?
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

22/05/2009 12:59:24
259 Berero, looking to the night sky for inspiration (or Ayrshire Scot or whoever you are).

Yes interesting.

Sometimes when you look in the RSS feeds, the entries are there. Other times not. I think they must manually remove them when they choose to do so.
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Mèths,

22/05/2009 13:00:07
"I see Gene pool has gone as well for posting peoples names."

I'm really Dave.

Arf arf arf
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 22/05/2009 13:00:38
260 That's fine, just with you saying your forgot were you packed the car I assumed you were out having a wee drink.
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Yeah1,

22/05/2009 13:02:33
#262

"What do was want ? AN ELECTION, when do we want it ? NOW"

You are getting an election in less than 2 weeks.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 22/05/2009 13:02:43
261 No it's not a myth, do you think that the Justice Secretary would look at every application for open prison.

Or do you think that is left to the internal procedures of the SPS?
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

22/05/2009 13:05:08
266 Berero, looking to the night sky for inspiration,22/05/2009 13:00:40
#263

Well if you do mange to read them can you please point out what spookums posted that was so awful ?
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I am not saying what he posted on here was awful.

I am saying that what he posted on his blog is awful.

He uses this forum to advertise his blog.
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Mèths,

22/05/2009 13:07:53
"He uses this forum to advertise his blog."

Dreadful. Anybody there want to buy a house?
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

22/05/2009 13:08:03
268 Yeah1,22/05/2009 13:02:33 262

"What do was want ? AN ELECTION, when do we want it ? NOW"
You are getting an election in less than 2 weeks.
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There was an election last night.

Funnily enough, Labour won it.

It would seem that rumours of Gordon Brown's demise are greatly exaggerated

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Yeah1,

22/05/2009 13:08:12
#269

"No it's not a myth, do you think that the Justice Secretary would look at every application for open prison."

MacAskill is praised for the reduction in crime figures in the south side of Glasgow (see Miss H's post at #193), which was largely the work of the police, but under his watch.

Thus unfortunately he also has to accept blame for other things which he was not personally responsible for, but which also happened under his watch, such as the escaped prisoner.
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

22/05/2009 13:10:34
272 Berero, looking to the night sky for .................

Rufus and SMee doesn't advertise his blog ?
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SM753's blog does not have headline articles in huge letters saying

'DAVID MADDOX IS A C**T'

And by the way, It was not asterisked out on Spook's website.
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SuperSaint,

22/05/2009 13:11:57
So, funny_newspaper (81 & 83), the unionist parties polled more of the popular vote than the anti-union party. Thanks for that.

You clearly can't see past the union/separation issue so you'll not have any problem with me lumping the Labour/Tory/LibDem votes together.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 22/05/2009 13:12:03
274 What ? And no prisoner has ever escaped before McCaskill was Justice Minister ? Get real. You are the one who is claimimg he is a liability - now prove it.
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

22/05/2009 13:13:47
Labour holds poll in Blears ward (from the BBC)

Labour has held on to a council seat in the Salford constituency of Communities Secretary Hazel Blears, despite her involvement in the expenses row.

Matt Mold won the Irwell Riverside by-election with a reduced majority. The Lib Dems came second and the BNP third.

It was the first test of voter feeling following the expenses scandal.

Ms Blears attended the count on Thursday night and said she was "absolutely delighted" with the outcome.

Speaking afterwards, she said: "The result shows the values of Salford people are the values of the Labour Party."


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frank mcbride,

lusitania 22/05/2009 13:14:27
Yeah.

You are absolutely correct Kenny MacAskill, but more importantly the SNP Government, has ignored the will of the democratically elected Parliament.

Shouldn't the Parliament put down a Motion of No-confidence in the Scottish Government; is it not a bit supine to attack an individual?

I would be extremely happy to see this happen as it would give the SNP Government the opportunity to put their case to the people of Scotland.

The only problem with this coming to pass is the terror of exposure within the Unionist Parties.

As an erstwhile NuLabour leader in Scotland was fond of saying, "Bring it on!!!".
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Yeah1,

22/05/2009 13:17:30
#278

"What ? And no prisoner has ever escaped before McCaskill was Justice Minister ? Get real. You are the one who is claimimg he is a liability - now prove it."

There were prisoner escapes during Cathy Jamieson's tenure as Justice Secretary around 2004 and she too was held personally responsible, with opposition parties calling for her to resign - you can't have it both ways.
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

22/05/2009 13:19:11
281 Berero, looking to the night sky for inspiration,22/05/2009 13:14:40
#276
Rufus..Your speaking to me as if i know spookums, why ?
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Errrrrmmmm, No I am not.

You need a reality check.
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McGinty,

Glasgow & Aberdeen 22/05/2009 13:19:20
Build mair prisons and rehabs and stop locking people up for council tax, TV license and parking fine arrears and then maybe there'd be some room for dangerous men (and women). Aye and stop contracting services out to incompetent and inexperienced companies. This rot set in thirty years ago and has been perpetrated ever since.
236

Observer,,

Glasgow 22/05/2009 13:21:16
283 there are prison escapes during every Justice Ministers tenure - because prisoners escape. It's not usually considered a resignation issue, outwith the ya boo politics of the debating chamber.

McCaskill is being held up by the media and opposition as some kind of gaffe-prone buffoon. That is not backed up by the evidence. Just saying something doesn't make it so.
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Miss H,

22/05/2009 13:28:10
283 Yes there were prison escapes - we know exactly how many.

Under Labour's last term it would appear that some 213 prisoners absconed - 71, 63 and 79 in each recorded year.

Following the reforms brought in under Kenny MacAskill the most recent figures show that 16 prisoners absconded. That will be 17 now I guess.

17 prisoners is too many but it is a great deal less than 71, 63 and 79.

Only a politician as stupid as Iain Gray would use FMQs to draw attention to the fact that the SNP Justice Secretary has greatly improved upon the record of his Labour predecessors, far less use it as a pretext to demand his resignation!

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Miss H,

22/05/2009 13:31:33
235 You make the mistake of ascribing some semblance of logic to their tactics.
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Electric Hermit,

22/05/2009 13:35:45
287
Observer

"It's not usually considered a resignation issue, outwith the ya boo politics of the debating chamber."

Trying to force people to resign has become something of a national sport. The gutter press (which sadly now includes The Scotsman) revels in the notion that they have the power to who should and should not hold office. All the while claiming, with sickening blatant dishonesty, that they are representing the "will of the people" rather than the vested interests they actually serve.
240

Mèths,

22/05/2009 13:41:28
"Vote Labour to keep the BNP out was the banner and it worked."

Yep. Negative campaigning right enough. In other words:-

"Vote for us 'cos we're not as bad as that other bunch."
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 13:41:37
283 Yeah1

I don’t recall that wee Cathy either resigned or was sacked following any of the absconds under her tenure.
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Mèths,

22/05/2009 13:41:58
I wonder who "Gene Pool" will come back as.....
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smokey joe 1,

22/05/2009 13:42:27

289 Miss H
"Only a politician as stupid as Iain Gray would use FMQs to draw attention to the fact that the SNP Justice Secretary has greatly improved upon the record of his Labour predecessors, far less use it as a pretext to demand his resignation".
Spot on.
I think you give Gray far to much credit by calling him stupid,I think he is a lot worse than that.
The man thinks he has a god given right to be FM and will do anything,anything to achieve Scotland's worst fear,a London labour puppet like him in charge.




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Mèths,

22/05/2009 13:43:42
(awaiting Gene Pool's rebirth)......
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Mèths,

22/05/2009 13:44:12
I'll check in later.
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Yeah1,

22/05/2009 13:51:23
#294

"I don’t recall that wee Cathy either resigned or was sacked following any of the absconds under her tenure."

No but the opposition parties were all calling for her resignation due to the prisoner escapes, which is exactly what is happening here.

You can't have it both ways - either it is acceptable to blame the justice secretary for prisoner escapes and call for their resignation (as the SNP thought in 2004 when the justice secretary was labour) or it isn't acceptable to do so (as the SNP think in 2009, now that its one of their own in the firing line).
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Mèths,

22/05/2009 13:53:34
300
248

Observer,,

Glasgow 22/05/2009 13:55:32
299 From my memory the calls for Jamieson to resign were because prisoners kept on escaping from a private ccompany (Reliance ? something like that ) who had been contracted to provide services. So I think it was the issue of partial privatisation of the prison service that led to calls for Cathie's head.

Different scenario entirely.
249

Miss H,

22/05/2009 14:04:51
299 No that is not the case. Opposition members called for her resignation because she was responsible for giving the contract for prisoner escort and court custody services to Reliance - it emerged that they were unprepared for much of what was required.

The details of the contract between the then Scottish Executive and Reliance were only made public after the SNP went to the Information Commissioner to force them to.

There is no real comparison between Labour privatising that service, awarding the contract to a company that did not appear up to the job and then having to be forced to reveal the details of the contract and whatever it is that Kenny MacAskill is accused of (I am not really sure what that is).
250

Florence,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 14:06:02
132 Connaughtboy: The UK is not a "country".
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smokey joe 1,

22/05/2009 14:08:31
299
Yeah1.
I remember wee Cathy paying money into her nephews bank account whilst he was on the run for murder.
I think that at least merited a vote of no confidence.
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Kenny A,

22/05/2009 14:09:29
172 Gregor

You may be correct but I think not, when last I was in the Islands MP Angus MacNeil was well thought of despite the looonatic daily record smear campaign.

Ministers daughter and her friend in deb and a drunk piper in the corner.

MSP Alaisdar Allan is put up with just. MacAskil is regarded very poorly even though he has Island connections.

In my view the SNP are still the best bet but I will no longer vote.

236 Edward. Its a lot more than Labour who are against MacAskil.

The man I have no grumble about as a person but he is in the wrong job.

Saying that looking at all the deleted posts I wonder if he has been on this site.
253

Kenny A,

22/05/2009 14:11:18
300

Spartans
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 14:16:27
299 Yeah1

A rather more holistic approach should be adopted in forming an opinion upon the success or otherwise of any particular Government Minister or Cabinet Secretary.

Kenny MacAskill’s record in his position withstands the greatest scrutiny against that of his Labour predecessor, viz: reported crime down, police numbers up, prisoner absconds greatly reduced, safer streets, and safer communities.

I may not be entirely convinced by all his views regarding the proposed reforms of the drink licensing laws, but respect should be given where respect is due, and he seems to be doing a good job in terms of improving a number of aspects of our society.

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Edward,

22/05/2009 14:17:26
#249 Ugly George
Just to correct you
Just because Im critical of Labour and standing up for what I see as a smear campaign against the SNP, does not and never will make me 'an ardent SNP supporter'
Fact is Im anardent 'Old School' Labour supporter thats completely fed up with what has happened to the party that I have gioven my support for the last 40odd years!
Im now an unusual animal in that Im Labour but I support Independence. This is something that 'New Labour' cant deal with and frankly I dont giove a monkeys. Im from a Labour thats just before and upto John Smith. The Labour from Tony Blair is not really Labour, its just Tories wih different clothes on!
Im sickened by what 'NewLabour' has gone down to with the Red Rag project as well as others in Scotland that are aimed at smear campaigns through direct breifings with chosen journalists as well as web forum based. If Labour can no longer get the message over of what THEY are about and what THEY can do for Scotland, without the smear and negative posting, then they are not worth voting for!
Labour are now mired in an expenses scandal, which will change the UK.But they will ony step up the smearing in order to try and deflect attention, hoping the voter is stupid enough to fall for it
So Adrent SNP - NO!, Ardent Old Labour with Independence in mind - YES!
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Edward,

22/05/2009 14:22:05
The basis of the attack on MacAskill is that a dangerous Prisoner escapedan open prison.
So are we lead to believe that Kenny MacAskill is responsible for the security at the open prison in that he is supposed to be there? Did Kenny MacAskill actually have the Keys to the Open Prison?
The answer to both of these is NO
Why was a dangerous prisoner kept in an open prison?
This is a question that the Scottish Prison service should be answering!
Was the dangerous prisoner kept in the OPen prison as a result of previous Labour legislation and miss handling of the Prison service?
or was it a result of any changes that hve taken place since the SNP became the Government of Scotland?
These are the questions that SHOULD be answered, instead of pandering to Labour party smears
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 14:28:17
305 Kenny A

I can assure you that both Brendan and Alasdair are both “still highly thought of”.

Now why did you think it was necessary to mention either of them on this thread?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 22/05/2009 14:31:23
309
Edward,
The basis of these attacks are quite simply the oppostion taking potshots at a blundering dunce of a minister. It's what oppositions do.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 22/05/2009 14:32:18
310
Is Brendan related to Angus by any chance?
260

Ewan Randall,

22/05/2009 14:39:11
For those people who have supported the First Minister’s ultimatum, imagine that in your opinion Kenny MacAskill had indeed done something which could qualify for him to have lost his position through a vote of no confidence, would you not have still backed the First Minister hoping to force an election?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 22/05/2009 14:51:53
312 Grahamski

Yes, Angus is a not an uncommon fore-name in Barra and indeed throughout the Western Isles, therefore middle names or indeed other descriptions are often used to identify particular individuals.

Hence we have such differentiations such as Angus Mohr, Angus Bheag, Angus Douglas, Angus Brendan, Angus Og, et al.

And your point is?
262

Geomac 1,

Scotland 22/05/2009 14:52:08
Wee Eck threatening to throw his toys out of the pram - AGAIN!! What a we'an! It's ma ba' and ah'm no gonnae let let ye play wi' it. Pathetic.
Yesterday he was boasting that the SNP had reduced the number of abscondees from prison in one breath and yet denied responsibility for The Hawk escaping in another breath - typical! How can you claim credit for one part of the prison system and not the responsibility for another inreconnected part of it?? It's not an issue of who has the keys #309 - it's the "we're responsible for the good bits and not so for the bad bits" that's hard to take.
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Overthescore,

22/05/2009 15:00:32
I don't think it's fair to blame someone in Edinburgh for some thing that happened near Dundee. It's a bit like blaming someone in London for not providing the person in Edinburgh with enough cash to see that the man near Dundee could be looked after properly.
Why don't we all just blame the man who shouldn't have been there in the first place?
Now which one was that again?
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brownlie,

22/05/2009 15:08:11
243 Creature from the Black Lagoon

Surprised at "your holier than thou" criticism of Spookum for a "disgusting" blog entry in view of the fact that on 10/5/09 you made no criticism of entries by Charles Linskaill, Fifi and an individual calling himself Doctor Death insinuating that Salmond consorted with prostitutes and/or rent-boys.

Furthermore, you make no criticism of SM753 accusing an MP of being a "Highland child-molester".

What do all these posters have in common that enables them to avoid your self-righteous criticism?
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Yeah1,

22/05/2009 16:30:47
#302

Regardless of the details of each situation, they are both in essence about escaping prisoners.

Whilst neither MacAskill or Jamieson was directly responsible for the escape of the prisoners, they were both indirectly responsible as justice ministers -

Jamieson because she was responsible for giving the contract to Reliance, and MacAskill because he has failed to deal with the unacceptable overcrowding of Scotland's prisons (despite pleas from the head of the SPS), which led to dangerous prisoners being moved to less-crowded open prisons.

If it was fair for the opposition parties to hold Jamieson responsible for the escaped prisoners under her watch, and call for her to resign, it is equally fair for the opposition parties to do the same to MacAskill.
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Electric Hermit,

22/05/2009 16:58:16
315
Geomac 1

"Yesterday he was boasting that the SNP had reduced the number of abscondees from prison in one breath and yet denied responsibility for The Hawk escaping in another breath - typical!"

A childishly simple-minded bit of nonsense which totally fails to recognise that there are levels and areas of responsibility. It is patently obvious to anyone not blinded by prejudice that Kenny MacAskill IS NOT responsible for the day-to-day management of the Scottish Prison Service or any of its facilities.

If there was any suggestion that the criteria by which prisoners are assessed for the open estate were at fault, then questions might be asked of the justice secretary. But, as evidenced by the massive reduction in absconding, the criteria and the assessment process have been greatly improved under MacAskill's stewardship.

It is in the application of those criteria and the administration of the assessment process that misjudgements appear to have been made in the case of Brian Martin. Responsibility for this lies with the SPS. What is the point in delegating authority without responsibility? A corporation could not operate if the CEO was held responsible for every mistake made by every manager at every level. Why should the business of government be any different?

MacAskill's job is to not to BE accountable for manager's errors, if such there have been, but to ensure that those who have the responsibility are held to account. And to do so in a way that leads to improvements in the system. Exactly as he has been doing up to now.
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PointOf View,

Bonnie Scotland 22/05/2009 18:13:29
Sorry guy's I’m for SNP, big time!
However, ex labour renegade, drunken football hooligan Kenny MacAskill, who tries to enforce drink limitations on under 25 year olds (as apposed to under 18’s) and competitive pricing, is certainly cut from the Lie-bour cloth. He is a control freak who Scotland can well do without. He is a walking liability to the SNP and WILL cost votes. FM please take note or at least ask the Scottish electorate how they feel about him?

SNP PLEASE drop this buffoon.
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Media at One,

22/05/2009 19:18:36
I think this is the gift Scotland has been waiting for. Independence might be right for Scotland, who knows, but one thing is certain, Salmond isnt.
I think secretly almost all SNP fans will be hoping Salmond leaves, although none of them will admit it to their mates, the fear of speaking out against the furher is not done.
But on a serious note, this is the blessing Scotland has been waiting for because if Salmond goes Scotland moves forward without the ball and chain Salmond who is dragging her down.
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Miss H,

22/05/2009 19:26:49
318 Yes they are in essence about escaping prisoners and there is a serious issue there because the chap who escaped should clearly not have been in an open prison in the first place. Had Labour called for an urgent enquiry and/or review they would have been quite right to do so.

But it is in no way a resignation issue because the overall number of prisoners who have absconded since Kenny MacAskill took office has been dramatically reduced. Unless you think that an improvement in performance is grounds for resignation then you don't really have a leg to stand on in this debate.

Kenny MacAskill is a controversial politician. I understand why Labour do not like him. But that is not grounds for calling for his resignation. It is just the kind of silly game-playing that demonstrates they have still not come to terms with losing in 2007.
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buzzer,

Aberdeen 22/05/2009 19:34:14
I am a social worker working with offenders.
Fact; in the last two years we have had more funding to deal with those coming out of jail on home detention curfews.
Fact; We now deal successfully with high risk offenders
Fact; MacKaskill has been a breath of fresh air compared to Jamieson in that he knows that only a holistic approach which includes addressing our alcohol culture and socially deprivation (a legacy from Labour)and trying to give our young people opportunities to try other things rather than hang about street corners.
We are always, as social workers striving to help those less advantaged to gain their way into the job market and securing their own tenency and I can honestly say the present Justice Minister has done more for us beleagured workers than Cathy Jamieson ever did.
I know that everyone is attacking MacAskill because they think he is a weak link in the government but compared to Richard Baker I know who i would have.
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PointOf View,

Bonnie Scotland 22/05/2009 19:44:08
321 media at one.
Sorry you are so off the mark re Salmond. I can't say i agree with him n every point but hey that’s politics. However, He is a great statesman and put's brown to shame; mind you Pinocchio could do that as Brown is the bigger liar. MacAskall is the problem he's Lie-bour bread, his primary socialisation is Lie-bour.
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Iainbroch,

22/05/2009 19:58:27
Lieboar and the Fib Dums are gutless

re321

You are a cretin but hey if The unionists want to sign thier own political death warrants then so be it but I doubt they will - like I said Lieboar and the Fib Dums are gutless. The Fib Dums are worse as they are gutless prostitutes to the Lieboar Party. It is they who are holding Scotland back and down.
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Iainbroch,

22/05/2009 20:03:45
The Hootsman naturally tried again to smear SNP. There as I understand never any charges brought against you know who. But then I guess beating up old ladies and cops was not something he went in for.
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Iainbroch,

22/05/2009 20:05:55
BRING IT ON PLEASE!
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Iainbroch,

22/05/2009 20:24:48
PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! BRING IT ON!
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FerryPort,

22/05/2009 20:59:35
buzzer
Well said

I work with young boys in a residential school, experiencing major difficulties
Mostly from deprived homes, young mums with a drug problem and absent fathers.

Some move on and become part of society and a few others, unfortunately, move into secure units before they are 16. I just visted Rossie, a secure unit for children.
I stopped at a small piece of graffiti, a tag of a boy on a wall I recognised from the school I work in. It pulled on my heart.
We are dealing with very mis-placed and emotional young people with great and ultimitaley, expensive needs.

Expensive?

What really f@cks me off is that THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN MASSES AMOUNTS OF MONEY. billions to BAIL OUT rich and corrupt banks and large busisnesses. THE WAR. And the MP's expenses for already fat parasites, supposedly the gaurdians, taking care of us.
Poverty is the real problem.

WHO HAS THE BALLS TO EMPTY THE WHOLE WESTMINISTER BUILDING AND START AGAIN?

Thankfully we in Scotland have a parliament we can vote for.

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FerryPort,

22/05/2009 21:07:35
sorry I wanted to say
McAskil stays
Salmond is so strong
I would go with his decision anytime
Fec the rest of the them
whingers
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Iainbroch,

22/05/2009 21:20:10
Salmond is not bluffing - Please oh please call his bluff! Bye Bye Sleaze Lieboar! Bye Bye Fib Dums!
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Kenny A,

22/05/2009 21:28:14
310, bully

Thought it was a valid observation. Angus Brendan is highly thought of. Alaister Allan is not. He is well meaning, very intelligent and tries fairly hard to do things but does not cut the mustard.

Trust me this feeling is strong in the Islands.
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brownlie,

22/05/2009 23:06:05
332 Kenny

Not the impression I get from my family and friends regarding Mr Allan. I notice the prospective Labour candidate and his pals feature strongly on the Gazette letters page.
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FerryPort,

22/05/2009 23:15:04
129.90kbps
when you should be geting 8mb
Honestly I'm gonna cancel
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FerryPort,

22/05/2009 23:35:51
129.90kbps
when you should be geting 8mb
Honestly I'm gonna cancel your direct and debit
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Keith Lagden,

23/05/2009 00:14:15
Resign Salmond, Resign, Where else will you get a job that pays so well. Resign Nuf Sed
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Electric Hermit,

23/05/2009 00:58:29
336
Keith Lagden

"Resign Salmond, Resign, Where else will you get a job that pays so well."

The voice of ignorance. With his qualifications, experience and proven abilities, Alex Salmond could be making vastly more in the private sector.
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livilion,

livingston 23/05/2009 09:43:41
#317 Village Idiot
Now close your eyes and WISH really, really hard for that nasty Alex Salmond to go away and stop spoiling your arguments for union with Westminster!

Sorry, too many real Scots know he and his team are what Scotland needs to stand up for Scotland's people and are pi$$ing themselves at the state Great Britain's Honourable members of parliament have gotten themselves and their parliament into. Wait till they start going to prison and then remind us again of your Union Dividend.

You might have just got the jist from this string and others, that freethinking Scots view the prospect of elections at Holyrood and 'the Mother of Parliaments' with unbounded glee.

I put your position in the same basket as those South Africans who still hanker for the good old days of Empire.
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ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 23/05/2009 18:54:47
GOD BLESS ALEX SALMOND.

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
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ultravires,

Edinburgh 24/05/2009 01:35:26
335

Loony or what ?

God wont bless a politician now - they are all crooks and he knows it !
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suileandubh,

australia 24/05/2009 04:41:27
Any 'English' votes from intelligent English voters who have CHOSEN to live in Scotland, would surely go to snp. otherwise they may as well go back their Westminster circus. why would they vote for the same chaos having chosen to live north of teh border? surely they are trying to escape and have a better future? Bring on the election, alex! show all the doubting thomas' what is what

 

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