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Published Date: 13 June 2009
CIVIL servants usually have a reputation for being pedantic. But now the Scottish Government has released documents that lay bare the quirks of ministers – in painstaking detail.
Guidance for special advisers who write speeches and prepare briefings for MSPs reveals finance secretary John Swinney asks officials to address him as "minister", children's minister Adam Ingram will not take ministerial papers home at weekends, and education secretary Fiona Hyslop would rather write her own jokes.

Alex Salmond's written instructions, known as "ministerial preferences", say: "The First Minister prefers to work with concise facts rather than opinion. He will form his own opinions."

They also say Mr Salmond's briefings for oral parliamentary questions should "contain a few punchy lines to focus on facts and figures which demonstrate why the government's position is right and which identify the government's key relevant achievements and plans".

Health secretary Nicola Sturgeon, requests a parking space each time she is chauffeured to engagements in a government car. Environment secretary Richard Lochhead "loves bullets and diagrams – if a complex process can be explained in a flow chart this is the way that Mr Lochhead would prefer to receive it."

The documents, released under Freedom of Information legislation,

show that housing minister Alex Neil has banned his private office from using the phrase "I am afraid" in letters (the acceptable alternative is "unfortunately"), Mr Salmond likes to see photographs of people before he meets them, and transport minister Stewart Stevenson is very strict about correct spelling and grammar.

Last night, Lothians Labour MSP George Foulkes said the foibles were evidence Scottish ministers were "carried away with their own importance".

He told The Scotsman: "It is astonishing they should waste officials' time in this way. This just goes to show they are so far out of touch. They are forgetting that they are there to represent people, not themselves."

Lothians Tory MSP Gavin Brown also attacked the ministerial preferences. He said: "These revelations have left egg all over Alex Salmond's face. It seems to be a case of ask not what Alex Salmond can do for Scotland, but what Scotland can do for Alex Salmond."

STEWART STEVENSON

FOR plaques, name badges and place settings, Mr Stevenson should be referred to as Stewart Stevenson MSP, minister for transport, infrastructure and climate change.

When at external meetings or visits, Mr Stevenson prefers to be addressed as "minister". Mr Stevenson prefers minutes to be short, to the point and not repetitive.

His private office is instructed to list clearly and succinctly (preferably in one paragraph per issue) issues or background, including relevant facts and figures that he should be aware of, summarise the options available and set out concise conclusions or recommendations.

JOHN SWINNEY

THE finance secretary does not like meetings lasting longer than 30 or 40 minutes and prefers officials to call him 'minister'.

He appreciates officials accompanying him to meetings, events and committee appearances, but asks that numbers are kept to an absolute minimum, especially when external attendees are involved in meetings.

Officials are requested to indicate, well in advance, who will accompany Mr Swinney to each event.

They are also asked to turn up 15 minutes early before external meetings, in case Mr Swinney would like a brief chat beforehand.

FIONA HYSLOP

THE cabinet secretary does not wish her speech writers to agonise over making the speech funny – she will "add anecdotes, jokes etc as appropriate".

For any engagement that Ms Hyslop attends, or announcement which is made, early consideration should be given to any media opportunities or sensitivities involved.

For informal or short speeches, she prefers a short speaking note of bullet points with heading used to signpost the contents. She further prefers her staff to use full sentences, not abbreviated, so she can read them out loud verbatim if necessary.

She also asks them to test drive the speech on colleagues first.

ALEX SALMOND

SUBMISSION deadlines for the First Minister's box are at 5pm Monday to Thursday and noon on Fridays.

Background notes to briefing for meetings should comprise one page of key facts and figures relevant to the meeting, in bullet point format. It should also include a simple table showing funding streams relating to the policy area, for 2007-8 and for the three years of the spending review.

Anything which should not be disclosed to the First Minister's (questioners] should be clearly labelled as such.

The First Minister also likes to be provided with a list of people he will meet during official engagements, with short biographical notes – particularly on political background – and photographs if possible.

ALEX NEIL

Likes briefing packs for events to state whether the event is formal or informal, and specify the appropriate dress code.

He has banned his private officers from using the phrase: "Scottish ministers have no locus to intervene", preferring the wording "it is not appropriate for Scottish ministers to intervene".

He has also instructed secretaries not to use esquire after a name when writing letters. His ministerial preferences state: "The minister may not know what some abbreviations stand for - best to spell it out full at least once."

Mr Neil wants any reference to Scottish Executive to be referred to as Scottish Government.










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  • Last Updated: 12 June 2009 11:52 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The Scottish Parliament
 
1

Jerry Springer,

12/06/2009 22:28:03
1 Tartan Viking,12/06/2009 19:15:04
People have a bad habit of not washing their hands. I've seen senior people in my place of work come out the cubicle and go straight out the door without washing.
==============================================

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Tartan Viking has been stalking people in the gents toilets.
2

Jerry Springer,

12/06/2009 22:36:41
From the Financial Times........

"The pound has surged to its highest level this year against the world’s major currencies, propelled higher by growing investor confidence that the British economy is on the road to recovery.

Sterling’s rebound comes as City analysts are tearing up their forecasts of a prolonged recession, increasingly convinced that tentative signs of economic “green shoots” show the worst of the downturn is past"

“It seems increasingly likely that the UK recession will end soon,” said Michael Saunders of Citi, previously one of the most gloomy forecasters.

So................Alistair Darling was right and the City Analysts were wrong.

All the Nats on this board were also wrong as well as John Swinney (minister) and Alex Salmond (the simple table man).

Darling and Brown are financial genii.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/53d18f82-5791-11de-8c47-00144feabdc0.html
3

Jerry Springer,

12/06/2009 22:39:59
Tartan Viking's office...........

http://tinyurl.com/la7ra7

Look closely and you can see him peering through the window.
4

Continental,

13/06/2009 00:22:02
Who would waste tax payers money requesting such information under FOI?

"Lothians Labour MSP George Foulkes said the foibles were evidence Scottish ministers were "carried away with their own importance" - Mr Foulkles should have seen the Ministerial preferences for the Labour administration...Wendy Alexander's demands were unbelievable and Jack McConnell wasn't much better.
5

Castaway™ ,

13/06/2009 00:33:26
#3:From the ONS........The UK unemployment rose to 2.22 million (7.1%).
From the BCC.......Some 3.2 million people will be out of work by the second half of 2010,that is just over one in ten of the workforce.

6

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 00:34:18
The only sensible reaction to this "story" is, so what! Yet another pathetic attempt to smear the Sottish Government that has backfired, leaving The Scotsman and its unionist clients looking profoundly silly.

7

Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull 13/06/2009 00:46:10
Now we know why the SNP ministers as they are called by non-Labour non-Lords are streets ahead in preparation for the Baron of Patna's foolish questions.

George Foulkes lines should contain a few punchy lines and some upbeat facts to back up his claims too but that would be in the realms of impossibility. Lord Foulkes told me he Quote-has seen the IRREFUTABLE proof of WMDs in Iraq and he will make them public..... in due course? End quote. Hahahahahahaah Some rather witty lines in there Baron George. Do we need some punchy facts like the cost of George's war in lives, UK jobs and taxation? Stroll on FIRST Minister Alex Salmon non superior Ubber Baron.
8

Edward,

13/06/2009 01:35:19
Foulkes wasting taxpayer money AGAIN!
Corrupt little creep doing his level best to distract everyone from tyhe corruption and sleaze of the Labour Party in London.
Im curious though as to what Labour ministers did?
9

Observer,,

Glasgow 13/06/2009 01:41:33
I will at one point when I have retired and collected by *gold plated* public sector pension write my memoirs of working with elected members.

My favourite beyond a doubt was the councillor who was permanently plshed and who used to start singing hey you beautiful doll whenever he met me. It was a bizarre relationship my tenants complained to me about the councillor instead of the other way around.

He was I have to reveal Labour.

All this gufff is actually not important. We actually vote for policies.
10

Fifi la Bonbon,

13/06/2009 02:25:04
It all seems reasonable enough. And quite interesting.

Why are the cybernats complaining about this story being "another pathetic attempt to smear the Scottish Government that has backfired?"

It isn't anything of the kind. I found it interesting and amusing, and well worth reporting. Ministers of other parties do similar things.

The reaction just confirms my view that most nationalists are chippy, oversensitive types who take offence at the slightest perceived insult. Often short of stature, and red faced. The kind of people who lose it in supermarket queues - for example if someone forgets to put the item divider on the conveyor belt, or brings ten items into the nine items or less queue. Many of them are destined for an early grave with blood pressure. you can tell them by the veins bulging in their foreheads. They are usually the ones tailgating you in their cars in a 20mph zone outside a school, hooting and gesticulating - you can tell their cars - often those wee Korean ones for some reason - with the wee saltire "SCO" number plates.


I'm going to bed now after a very pleasant evening out. Pip pip!
11

Observer,,

Glasgow 13/06/2009 02:41:31
Often short of stature, and red faced

And has a cat and is called fifi la bon bon

Scientists have investigated the species sub-type and named them TROLLS
12

RDavis,

Vienna 13/06/2009 07:39:41
Interesting that John Swinney limits his meetings to half an hour...is that his span of attention do you think?
13

M78,

13/06/2009 08:12:27
Would be interesting to reveal (under foi) the cost of irrelevant questions posed by the buffoon.
14

gus1940,

Edinburgh 13/06/2009 08:18:12
Yet again the Parliamentary Jester dons his cap and bells and vomits more rubbish on to the pages of The Scotsman.

Can nothing be done to shut this self-publicising balloon Foulkes up?
15

Linda,

Edinburgh 13/06/2009 08:27:20
I feel that Robert Burns summed up Lord George well when he said:
Ye see yon birkie ca'd a lord,
Wha struts and stares an a that;
Tho hundreds worship at his word,
He's but a coof for a that.
For a that an a that,
His ribband, star, an a that,
The man o independent mind
He looks and laughs at a that.
Hamish Henderson, Bridge of Weir.

From Scotsman sketch writer a few weeks ago
Yup, the Labour harpies were back, and they were worse than ever. Cathy was sitting next to Lord Dod Foulkes, who maintains a non-stop barrage of abuse at the Nats. Is the combined effect statesmanlike? Is that the word I'm looking for? Perhaps not.
16

Linda,

Edinburgh 13/06/2009 08:31:43
From Daily Record.. so it must be true;-
LABOUR MSP George Foulkes was accused of wasting public money yesterday after his bill for asking Holyrood questions topped £90,000.

The Lothians MSP has tabled 927 written questions since his election to Holyrood in May last year, at a cost to the taxpayer of £98.51 each

Foulkes is not the only big questioner at Holyrood but SNP members claim some of his queries are "ludicrous and utterly irrelevant".

SNP deputy whip Bill Kidd said: "Many of Foulkes's questions are simply jokes at the taxpayer's expense.
17

Auld-Yin,

Musselburgh 13/06/2009 08:47:24
I don't see anything wrong with any of the instructions handed out and I am sure that there was similar in place when labour ran the roost.

What would be worse a. a civil servant having instructions on his his/her minister likes to have things presented or b. a civil servant having to guess what her/his minister likes in way of presentation?

I know which one I prefer.

As for Lord Foulkes - he does like having his say; I think The Scotsman must have him on speed-dial for rent-a-quote.
18

brianmca3,

auld reekie 13/06/2009 09:06:00
if lord foulkes was chocolate he would eat himself
hes more self conceited than mandy,that pair just love seeing and hearing their names
if foukes and anyone else is wasting parli cash on stupid questions,that could be asked face to face,make them pay for each question asked,i bet it would quiet
19

ColinM,

Edinburgh 13/06/2009 09:09:22
This is NEWS?

Bumbling Lord "Bunter" Foulkes has to run off at the mouth, of course, anything to criticise the SNP. You always know if a story is total tosh if he is quoted in it.

Gavin Brown is going his official 'rent a quote' thing as well, I see. Nice to see him name-checked, at least it means he is doing something.

Now let's see the notes that officials used during the previous Labour / LibDem coalition. Some of the notes from that period there are (allegedly) incendiary, with one Minister tagged as wanting "facts lite - just a few quotes (s)he can use, and no background", and others even more damning. Officials have always used similar notes - perhaps the Westminster equivalents may be even more intriguing?

But honestly, in the week that the Labour Government in Westminster nearly imploded, and when the Scottish Government earned some praise for its work in key areas, is this REALLY worth printing?

Or has the Scotsman's agenda overtaken its ability to find and report on real news?
20

brianmca3,

auld reekie 13/06/2009 09:51:57
did this story not already run,with a slightly different headline?
oh yes last nights news but it was headlined as
"You can tell a lot about ministers by the state of their briefs"
just shows how much real news or news that the scotsman wants to print is out there
filling empty spaces with yesterdays news
21

M78,

Tain 13/06/2009 10:01:16
I wonder if Emily Pykett is one of the Pyketts from Achiltibuie??
22

Media at One,

13/06/2009 10:02:14
I think the whole government system needs to be changed.

If you grow up looking to serve the public, you must acknowledge that you will earn less than a doctor, a lawyer etc. Ot at least this is how it should be.
If you are serving the public like Sturgeon, then it makes sense that the public will get the parking space before the person who is serving the public. Servants serve, they do not instruct, they do not take the role of leader because they are not leaders they are public servants.
People who want to be addressed as Minister must understand that the a member of the public may call them Servant if they wish. And I think this is where we need to reshuffle things.
Forget calling them Minister of Parliament. Let us call them Servants of Parliament. So instead of saying Minister Swinney, we should be saying "Servant Swinney"
Prime Minister - Let us rather call that person Prime Servant.
Let us remember that government is not supposed to be a place where members earn huge salaries and receive benefits. It is a place where those with the drive and the integrity to serve, will serve without reward, the way nurses and teachers do. If a Public Servant wants more money, they should look to re-join the private sector and find a job.
23

Curley Bill,

13/06/2009 10:18:18
Look at the picture accompanying the article.
Where is the story on the Macrahanish wind turbine factory servicing the Clyde Valley Windfarm?
Oh, that's right, it's GOOD NEWS for Scotland and the SNP, therefore it won't be printed in this rag.
24

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 13/06/2009 10:48:36
Is this the best that the Official Labour Party Web Site in Edinburgh can come up with??

I wonder what the Labour/LibDim executive required.

"Last night, Lothians Labour MSP George Foulkes said the foibles were evidence Scottish ministers were "carried away with their own importance"

Looks like this paper is resurrecting Lord (I rent my own house to myself and claim it back on public expenses) Haw Haw, he's beginning to reappear.
25

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 13/06/2009 10:55:18
I think I'll gather together all the spoutings of Jerry Wufus la Bonbon the Creature etc,etc...., and publish them as "The Anatomy of a Unionist: the way that an anti-SNP brain cell works"
26

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 13/06/2009 10:55:46
#24
Or one of the flying pyketts?
27

Barney Thomson,

Reading 13/06/2009 11:12:12
I disagree that this is a "non-story". It is useful for people to know how government business is conducted by ministers.

What is gratifying is how sensible and uncomplicated the Scottish ministers' guidance is. I confidently expect that some of the guidance issued by UK ministers (and possibly previous Scottish ministers) was much more picky and turgid. I am particularly impressed by Ms Hyslop's requests which seem forward-thinking and, indeed, brave.

I am not sure if George Foulkes' comments will go down well with ministers at Westminster as I confidently surmise that they have issued very similar rquirements to Whitehall staff.

I remain, sir, etc.
28

Grahamski,

Falkirk 13/06/2009 11:16:53
"But now the Scottish Government has released documents that lay bare the quirks of ministers – in painstaking detail....."

Dear god, they'll be getting fitted for uniforms next..they are insisting on being called 'minister' now, what was wrong with their previous preferred titles like 'Patriot' or 'Freedom-fighter'?
Personally I think Freedom-fighter Salmond beats Your Worshipfulness (or whatever ludicrous title Mr Salmond insists on getting his lackeys to call him these days)
29

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 11:32:40
32
Grahamski

"Dear god, they'll be getting fitted for uniforms next."

If you can get so ridiculously apoplectic about something so banal, then a serious matter will probably be the death of you.

30

Grahamski,

Falkirk 13/06/2009 12:00:04
34
Apoplectic? Over pathetic self-aggrandisement, I think not...
31

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 12:04:41
35
Grahamski

Clearly apoplectic. Over nothing more than simple guidance and instructions to staff such as would be found in any organisation.

Unless you are just pretending, of course. But that would simply mark you as a different kind of fool.

32

Grahamski,

Falkirk 13/06/2009 12:32:00
Of course what the FOI didn't reveal was Mr Salmond's 'riders' whenever he makes a personal appearance, here is the list of demands his lackeys supplied to a school in West Linton he was due to visit and give out prizes at their prize-giving:

The first minister should only be addressed as 'Your Worshipfulness', 'Your Excellency' or 'Wise and benevolent leader'.
Eye contact with the first minister is forbidden.
A private room should be made available for the first minister. In it there should be provided the following:

Flowers (NO chrysanthemums, lilies, carnations or daisies). 204 towels. 20 bars of soap. Two bottles of Hennessy cognac. Two bottles of Santa Margherita Pinot Grigio. Two bottles of Veuve Clicquot. A bottle of Dom Perignon. Grey Goose vodka. Boom box. Cheddar cheese and sour-cream chips. Sweet Tarts. A £150,000 bullet-proof Maybach. An ear, nose and throat specialist with the anti-inflammatory drug Decadron.

..............oh yes.
33

tommy M,

Scotland 13/06/2009 12:41:28
All sounds very sensible and above board to me. Shame we couldn't say the same about the labour party's conduct.
34

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 12:44:38
37
Grahamski

Another fit of apoplexy. Get help!

35

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 12:53:25
38
tommy M

"All sounds very sensible and above board to me."

Of course it is. The comically exaggerated fuss being made by Foulkes and his clone, Grahamski, simply reveals their ignorance of the way things work in the real world. Having had the job of preparing briefings and presentations for business people I know how important it is to be aware of the speaker's preferences.

I am pleased to see our government ministers taking such care over presentation. It shows respect for parliament and people.

36

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 13/06/2009 13:03:29
AND WHAT is the point of this article?

During all the previous scotish administrations ministers were called, yes amazingly, ministers.

And yes the First Minister receives briefing papers, oh my god.

Are ministers in the Westminster goverment called ministers by civil servants - of course.

So again I really fail to see the point in this article?
37

Grahamski,

Falkirk 13/06/2009 13:04:44
Yon Hyslop lassie says she wants to write her own funnies but who is writing His Worshipfulness Salmond's?

This one is a belter:

"The First Minister prefers to work with concise facts rather than opinion.."

OOOH HA HA HA HA HA - comedy gold!
38

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 13:07:33
43
Grahamski

Still frothing at the mouth over nothing, I see.

39

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 13/06/2009 13:09:23

What LORD Foulkes says about the SNP scottish government

'This just goes to show they are so far out of touch'

The Euro elections seem to tell a different story, but I guess the Lord really thinks Labour and Gordon Brown are in touch, I think the man is losing it.
40

Hagbard Celine,

Under a cloud 13/06/2009 13:11:30
#1 is an illuminati imposter.

The original Hagbard.

41

Grahamski,

Falkirk 13/06/2009 13:11:36
44
"Still frothing at the mouth..."

Slapping my thigh at the comedy capers of our first minister more like - isn't this SNP minority administration a hoot, by the way? It's like having Roy 'Chubby' Brown as first minister...hilarious!
42

Douglas,

Bathgate 13/06/2009 13:12:28
"Last night, Lothians Labour MSP George Foulkes said the foibles were evidence Scottish ministers were "carried away with their own importance"

He is quite funny for a fat lad.
43

Grahamski,

Falkirk 13/06/2009 13:19:43
48
Aye, maybe he and Mr Salmond should get together and do a Hardy and Hardy routine...
44

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 13:19:48
47
Grahamski

When you grow up you may learn the importance of effective communication. Our government ministers are to be congratulated on taking such trouble to ensure that their public utterances are carefully prepared.

Perhaps if the likes of Foulkes and Gray - and yourself, of course - took as much care they would not so consistently give the appearance of ill-informed confusion, childish petulance and incoherent ranting.


45

Grahamski,

Falkirk 13/06/2009 13:23:14
50
Hmmmmmmm...so you consider that our politicans every 'public utterances are carefully prepared' is a good thing?
I'd rather they just told the truth.......
46

Thomas79,

Ayrshire 13/06/2009 13:29:45
Didn't the Independant have a front page spread of Mr Brown and Alastair Darling as Laurel and Hardie.

How true
47

Jerry Springer,

13/06/2009 13:46:32
343 Electric Hermit,07/06/2009 22:48:28

Brown will be out within weeks rather than months. If tonight's results are as bad as early indications suggest, he will be lucky to last the week.
=====================================================

Another Gem from Hermans Hermit.

You posted that a week ago and Gordon Brown is still in power. In fact his position is a lot stronger than a week ago.

Hermans Hermit, sharp as a bowling ball.
48

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 13:47:52
51
Grahamski

"...so you consider that our politicans every 'public utterances are carefully prepared' is a good thing?"

You still haven't got it. Which is strange, because it really isn't so very complicated. Preparation is the key to effective communication.

And if you think preparation is synonymous with dishonesty then you have clearly been hanging around the British Labour Party for far too long.

49

Observer,,

Glasgow 13/06/2009 13:50:34
''You posted that a week ago and Gordon Brown is still in power. In fact his position is a lot stronger than a week ago.''

You jest Rufus. He's a dead man walking - Mandy is running the show. A new ''leader'' in October I reckon.
50

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 13:51:55
53
Jerry Springer

You are characteristically confused. It was I who posted that, not your imaginary friend, Hermans Hermit.

And I was perfectly correct. Brown was lucky to last the week.

Maybe you'd like to stop trolling now and get back to the topic.

51

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 13:53:52
53
Jerry Springer

"Gordon Brown is still in power."

Another example of your pathetic confusion. Brown is in office. He is not in "power".

52

Grahamski,

Falkirk 13/06/2009 14:16:07
55,56,57

Pathetic attempts to divert us away from the ludicrous pretensions of His Worshipfulness, Majestic Highness Sir Alex Salmond - Wise and Benevolent Leader of Alba...
53

Jerry Springer,

13/06/2009 14:16:39
#57 Herman

So Brown is lucky now is he?

You think his survival is based on luck?

Your naievety is somewhat remarkable if not entirely unexpected.
54

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 14:23:26
58
Grahamski

Or simply your infantile nonsense being mocked.

55

Jerry Springer,

13/06/2009 14:23:55
Looks like the Arc of Prosperity is starting to prosper again.

Things are looking up in Iceland.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/retailing/article6486089.ece
56

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 14:25:47
59
Jerry Springer

"Herman"

Nobody here by that name. If you must converse your imaginary friends have the good grace to keep it inside your demented head. It's not pretty to watch.
57

Jerry Springer,

13/06/2009 14:37:03
62 Electric Hermit

Nobody here by that name. If you must converse your imaginary friends have the good grace to keep it inside your demented head. It's not pretty to watch.
===============================================

Whatever you say Herman.

LMAO
58

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 14:44:18
61
Jerry Springer

You really are stupid. That article is about Iceland Foods. What a clown!

59

Jerry Springer,

13/06/2009 14:47:26
64 Electric Hermit,13/06/2009 14:44:18
61
Jerry Springer

You really are stupid. That article is about Iceland Foods. What a clown!
====================================================

HAHAHAHAHAHA You don't say?

Herman fell for it!!!!

What a chump!

DEAR OH DEAR!

This one is being filed away!

My day is complete!

60

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 15:20:42
65
Jerry Springer

Now you are trying to pretend you knew what the articlae was about. Your imaginary friend, Herman, might believe you. Nobody else will.

61

M78,

TAIN 13/06/2009 15:24:49
Why oh why do many intelligent posters respond to the inane ramblings of Russian Graham, sounds like foulkes in drag.
62

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 15:26:43
67
M78

"Why oh why do many intelligent posters respond to the inane ramblings of Russian Graham, sounds like foulkes in drag."

Sport. It may be wrong to mock the afflicted, but when they insist on making a target of themselves...

63

Grahamski,

Falkirk 13/06/2009 15:30:23
.......and there's more!
The Daily Mail carries this story too (natch) but they go into even more deliciously excruciating detail about our pathetic first minister or His Royal Highness The Grand and Worshipful Majestic Excellency Sir Alex Salmond, Clan Grand Wizard and Leader of Alba as he insists on being addressed by his lackeys....
apparently the star-struck Mr Salmond has instructed his civil servants to find celebrities for him to write to and bask in their reflected glory...what a sad wee man...sorry that should read what a sad wee His Royal Highness The Grand and Worshipful Majestic Excellency Sir Alex Salmond, Clan Grand Wizard and Leader of Alba .....
arf arf
64

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 15:31:25
67
M78

See what I mean?

65

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 15:34:07
For those who want to see just how ridiculous Foulkes and his clones are being, the actual documents can be found at http://tiny.pl/316s.

66

Tarchin,

Lothian 13/06/2009 15:42:03
#65
Bet youv'e been waiting Aldi to play that Lidl joke.
67

Jerry Springer,

13/06/2009 15:54:48
#72

Yes its good fun 'Spar'ing with Mr Electric.
68

Jerry Springer,

13/06/2009 17:08:38
Hey Baggy, it is the Queens Official Birthday Celebrations today.

I thought you would be out partying?
69

Don Roberto,

13/06/2009 17:09:36
So asking for facts is wrong...
70

JC1,

Glasgow 13/06/2009 18:17:22
Ah I see the nat posters out in force when there is a factual story showing the 'snpgovernment' in its true colours.
So the hard pressed civil service has to look for people that salmond can send congratulations letters to... it beggars belief that he thinks that's what the civil service is for.... sturgeon make sure she gets a parking space...cold comfort for hospital staff and visitors who have to fight for spaces in overcrowded carparks thanks to her.

71

JC1,

Glasgow 13/06/2009 18:19:45
Dear (insert name of celebrity)
Well done on your (insert )
I've always been a fan/supporter/ (delete as appropriate)
Whenever I'm in Scotland I like to ( insert)

Yours Fawningly

alex salmond
72

Lalalala,

Edinburgh 13/06/2009 18:49:21
Another stupid, pointless story from the Scotsman

1) Ministers ALWAYS issue their preferences. Labour Ministers had similar requests. It is helpful for public servants who provide support.

2) Ministers are ALWAYS called "Minister" in public by Civil Servants. It is - after all - what they are.

3) Ministers have extremely busy schedules. Ministerial cars and parking spaces are not a luxury they simply get Ministers from A to B.

Can we move on and have some real news now please.
73

hoblar,

13/06/2009 19:08:19
You are just jealous that nobody could be buttocked to use the FOI to ask about what foulkes, gray etc are up to in government, because they AREN"T in Government.

Clowns that they are, they are going to be lucky to have any sort of political future, let alone have a go at the excellent Scottish Government.

And another clown reckons: "Nicola sturgeon make sure she gets a parking space...cold comfort for hospital staff and visitors who have to fight for spaces in overcrowded carparks thanks to her."

You think the staff and relatives resent the decision by the SNP NOT to charge for hospital car parking?

Wow! Has every labour troll, all four of them on here, sat a course on how to misunderstand public feeling and sentiment over political issues?

Complete bladerdash, it took the SNP to reverse the terrible decision by labour to charge for car parking at hospitals. Unfortunately the PFI hospitals that labour love so much, the ones that cost us a fortune for the next forty years, are still able to charge.


74

hoblar,

13/06/2009 19:10:56
For the labour drone who reckons that the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon are RESENTED by hospital staff and patient's relatives for getting rid of Hospital Car Parking Charges (except the Labour PFI disaster hospitals which couldn't be touched)

Complete and utter rubbish mate, no wonder the clowns in Labour are out of touch with the public if their few drones are left to promote such garbage.

batter on though!
75

nostress,

13/06/2009 19:41:00
#19 - LABOUR MSP George Foulkes was accused of wasting public money yesterday after his bill for asking Holyrood questions topped £90,000.

The Lothians MSP has tabled 927 written questions since his election to Holyrood in May last year, at a cost to the taxpayer of £98.51 each

Foulkes is not the only big questioner at Holyrood but SNP members claim some of his queries are "ludicrous and utterly irrelevant".

SNP deputy whip Bill Kidd said: "Many of Foulkes's questions are simply jokes at the taxpayer's expense."

Linda, I'm sure there must be some way of preventing this inebriated buffoon from wasting any more of our money than he already does just by existing. I wonder if it might be possible to introduce a sobriety test for his Lardship - which when he fails (inevitably I'm afraid) would bar his posing any pointless questions not affecting his constituents or the proper scrutiny of government. I'm sorry to say his exploits merely diminish what's left of the Labour Party and mock the very people he is meant to serve i.e. the electorate.

Shame really, because he has a fine cunning. He's proved that by his skillful manipulation of the expenses system to his own not inconsiderable financial advantage.
76

nostress,

grangemouth 13/06/2009 19:47:17
69 & lots - Grahamski - normally I'm quite amused by your hatred and vitriol for all things which benefit Scotland, but today's efforts have slithered into mere petulance. Raise your game and get back to posting pure balderdash and bitterness there's a good chap.
77

Barney Thomson,

Reading 13/06/2009 20:21:29
As I said at #30, this publication of ministerial guidance is a good thing for the electorate.

Despite Mr Grahamski' desperate fantasy at #37, his gracious endorsement of Ms Hyslop's bravery at #43 is welcome. I do have concerns about the overuse of words such as "worshipful", "clan" and "wizard".

As he is an expert on the UK unionist parliament, though, I would ask - have details of UK ministers' guidance been made available to us yet?

I remain, sir, etc.
78

nostress,

grangemouth 13/06/2009 20:22:08
For all my unionist chums here's what a real news story looks like;

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/environment/display.var.2514107.0.Windfarm_to_power_200m_boost_for_Scotland.php

79

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

13/06/2009 20:24:29
#81 hoblar

I know one who while working for an agency, went for a night shift at the PFI Royal...It cost her a tenner to park her car.

I bet she curses the day Nicola Sturgeon as born.
80

Barney Thomson,

Reading 13/06/2009 20:41:41
Off duty now.

#77 #78 JC1 - Close season on Rangers games then?

You know nothing about the Civil Service.

You know nothing about what TB used to ask for.
81

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 20:53:18
87
Barney Thomson

"You know nothing about the Civil Service."

These British Labour Party drones are not posting from knowledge. They are posting form blind prejudice.

82

Tris,

13/06/2009 21:18:13
# 86. Nicola Sturgeon got rid of all the parking fees for Scottish Hospitals, except those where, under the previous Scottish Government's PFI scheme, the parking belonged to the company that owned the buildings.

=============
But anyway, I see that the Noble Lord has been wasting tax payers' money again asking questions which are of little real importance to the average Scottish Taxpayer.

All ministers, of every shade, who are bosses of departments, have preferences. It wasn't that long ago that it became public knowledge that some Labour Minister at Westminster had issued a list of things that he expected from staff. Like coffee when he arrived in the morning and soup for lunch.... He also laid how his reports were to be written, and some words that he didn't want used.

Actually none of it is particularly worthy of any comment. It's the way bosses act. Some of the things, regardless of party, are reasonable, some are not. Some are a bit pompous, spome just refect the way that the minister wants the department for which he/she is responsible, to be run.

The Rt Hon and Noble Lord Foulkes really should try to find something more useful to do with his time and our money. At £1000 a question, he seems to want to use the entire Scottish block grant obtaining useless information. What next, the colour of the FM's underwear?

83

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

13/06/2009 21:25:17
#85 nostress,

Not quite; the article makes two statements...at least one of which is false


1) A controversial planned extension to the 140-turbine site, on Eaglesham Moor in East Renfrewshire, will take its total power capacity to 452MW - enough to power 250,000 homes.

2) Dave Morris, director of Ramblers Scotland, said dependency on wind farms was impractical. "Existing UK energy policy will require an incredible 600 Whitelees to be built by 2050. That would cover an area the size of Wales," he said.


If Both are true - the current UK energy policy is to provide enough electricity generated *by wind farms* to power 150 million homes by 2050.

1) Is not clear - about whether the 452MW is the maximum capacity or the estimated average capacity, taking into account wind variations etc.

2) Is clear - about being made by the director of the Ramblers Association (Scottish branch).
84

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 21:40:24
89
Tris

"It wasn't that long ago that it became public knowledge that some Labour Minister at Westminster had issued a list of things that he expected from staff."

------
Gordon Brown's enforcer, Liam Bryne, has given civil servants an 11 page memo detailing when they should bring him coffee and soup.
------
http://tiny.pl/3jqz

85

dhu loch,

inveraray 13/06/2009 22:05:43
Grahamski,please seek help.This story is not newsworthy and like the other tabloid scoop today,SNP bring down Labour and let in Thatcher,is just more negative propaganda from a fag end Government.All these stories can come under the label'we hate the SNP/Tories(delete depending if its Scottish or English edition).Is it too much to ask journalists to just report the news and stop being so lazy or worse monipulated.
86

Barney Thomson,

Reading 13/06/2009 22:05:50
#91 Electic Hermit -
OnD

I confidently surmise that Mr Byrne's requests are not unusual in Whitehall.

OfD
87

Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull 13/06/2009 22:12:17
iT is good to see that everything which benefits the Scottish Nation, government and people are upsetting to those British aliens who despise democracy! Watch the electoral registers.
88

Barney Thomson,

Reading 13/06/2009 22:12:59
#91 Electric Hermit -
(cntd)

I am confident that ministers' preferred font sizes for official correspondence is always communicated to staff but 16 point is unusually large.
89

Electric Hermit,

13/06/2009 22:16:25
95
Barney Thomson

"I am confident that ministers' preferred font sizes for official correspondence is always communicated to staff but 16 point is unusually large."

Especially when combined with the insistence on no more than a single A4 sheet.

90

Brianwci,

13/06/2009 23:14:33
George Foulkes MSP said "the foibles were evidence Scottish ministers were "carried away with their own importance."

No George it's called attention to detail and shows minds which are focused.

And guess what George, it's proving to be rather successful.
91

Tris,

14/06/2009 15:42:54
#91

Electric Hermit.

Thanks for that. I couldn't remember who it was....

 

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