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Myth of BBC's 'made in Scotland'



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Published Date: 29 January 2008
THE BBC has been accused of perpetrating a sham over the number of Scottish programmes it produces.
The corporation was attacked for artificially inflating the figures to help prove its case that more programmes are being made outside London.

In one example, the TV drama Waterloo Road is claimed as a Scottish "strand" simply because the produce
r of the Manchester-based show moved north of the Border to take up a senior position with BBC Scotland.

Other programmes, including Film 2008 and the children's shows Raven: Secret Temple and Shoebox Zoo, are also classed as BBC Scotland productions, despite a tenuous connection.

The practice of over-inflating the figures came in evidence to the Scottish Broadcasting Commission, which yesterday published "key points" from its inquiry so far. It said: "There is a practice of labelling some network programmes as 'Scottish productions' when there is very little financial or creative connection to Scotland."

The producers' trade association, Pact, identified 18 programmes which it classed as London productions yet which had BBC regional offices credited in the end titles.

The programmes, which are not filmed in Scotland and bring little financial benefit to the nation, often have only nominal involvement from BBC Scotland employees. But if these are in executive positions, the programmes are badged as BBC Scotland "strands".

The trend has been branded a "sham," by broadcast union officials, but BBC Scotland claims it allows programmes to serve as vehicles for up-and-coming Scottish talent and to hone skills.

The commission's interim report also revealed that ITV executive chairman Michael Grade, who appeared before the inquiry, believes the Scottish broadcasting sector is lacking talent because the best individuals go to London.

Meanwhile, it emerged that network production in Scotland fell from 6 per cent of the UK total in 2004 to 3 per cent in 2006.

One programme criticised for a lack of transparency over where it was made is Waterloo Road, the hit drama series starring Denise Welch and Neil Morrissey. Set in Rochdale, it is produced in Manchester by an independent company, Shed Media, which despite having strong Scottish connections, is based in London.

Nonetheless, the drama is branded as by BBC Scotland because Anne Mensah, the corporation's head of drama in Scotland, is its executive producer.

The programme's controversial claims to Scottishness have been discussed by the commission and Mark Thompson, BBC director-general.

Transcripts released yesterday by the commission show Mr Thompson defending the process, albeit admitting it could be seen as "contentious".

Addressing the commission in private last month, he said: "I believe that when there is authentic, creative leadership in the executive production from a nation, the fact that a programme is made elsewhere in the UK should not exclude it."

However, Blair Jenkins, chair of the commission, said the BBC must change its policy regarding the attribution of programmes. He said: "There is quite a strong sense within the industry that there are being attributed to Scotland (shows] which have very little financial or creative connection to Scotland."

Ted Brocklebank MSP, the Tory culture minister, said: "This suggests there has been a deliberate attempt by networks to distort the true facts about what is 'Scottish' to disadvantage broadcasters north of the Border."

Pact listed ten Jonathan Ross programmes said to have been made by BBC Scotland over the past five years. Others with dubious BBC Scotland connections include two children's series.

It is understood that a number of episodes of children's show Raven: Secret Temple, a BBC Scotland production ordinarily filmed in Argyll, were filmed at an Indian studio, with BBC Scotland staff flown out to take part. Another show, the children's fantasy Shoebox Zoo, partly filmed in Canada, is also classed as a BBC Scotland production.

Union representatives have already raised the issue. Giving evidence, Lorne Boswell, the Scottish secretary of Equity, said: "Film 2008 is a BBC Scotland production. But where's it filmed? Who's in it? What's it got to do with Scotland? Next to nothing. I mean, there's no reason why it couldn't be Scottish, or couldn't be filmed up here. But there's no economic benefit to Scotland for badging that as BBC Scotland."

He added: "BBC Scotland has a dishonourable record of saying something is a BBC Scotland production when it's simply line-managed by one person or maybe a few people. But it doesn't happen in Scotland, it doesn't involve Scots people, its location is outside."

Paul Holleran, Scottish organiser of the National Union of Journalists, said the trend was not isolated to the BBC. He said: "In Grampian Television, STV does this all the time. They'll drive someone all the way from Aberdeen to work on a programme, just so they can say this is partially made by Grampian."

A BBC Scotland spokesman last night pointed out the network success of Waterloo Road had allowed Shed Media to produce Hope Springs, an upcoming series to be located in Scotland.

He said: "Across the BBC, not just Scotland, there have been instances where commissioning of continuing series follows the executive production talent, as with Anne Mensah bringing Waterloo Road when she was appointed head of drama at BBC Scotland.

"It is proving to be a vehicle for the development of Scottish scriptwriting, editing talent and production talent. These opportunities would not have arisen if there was not a synergy between all of our shows, and a major series such as Waterloo Road will continue to provide opportunities for creative talent in Scotland."

Regarding the Jonathan Ross Film programmes, he said: "BBC Scotland bid for and won the tender to make the series in 1999. It makes logistical sense to film it in London because that is where the previews of cinema releases take place, but it has been a very important building block for the development of BBC Scotland factual staff's expertise."

He added: "A raft of drama commissions are contributing to this year's substantial rise in BBC Scotland's network output – an increase which has reversed last year's decline.

"Ofcom (the telecoms watchdog] and the BBC have different ways of defining output. Ofcom would not count Shoebox Zoo or Raven India as Scottish productions because they were made outside Scotland. But they were made by BBC Scotland staff and involved Scottish talent, and we believe it was valid to count these against our output."

Talent brain drain 'benefits Scotland'

BROADCASTER and journalist Stuart Cosgrove insisted yesterday that Scotland remains a force within the UK media, despite a "talent drift" to London.

Cosgrove, who is the Head of Programmes (Nations and Regions) for Channel 4, said he believed Michael Grade's comments were not wholly representative.

"Perhaps there are sectors where we don't have the depth, and I think we're punching beneath our weight in terms of contribution to the network," he said.

But Mr Cosgrove felt that devolution had coloured London media's perception about Scotland. He said: "There are some who think that Scotland has gone its own way and makes television for a Scottish audience; therefore Scottish subject matter travels less well internationally."

He said, however, that there was a new confidence in Scottish media circles, and that meant criticism could be taken constructively: "Scotland is doing significantly better than north-east England, chunks of East Anglia and Northern Ireland.

"Let's not lose sight of the fact that Michael Grade, Mark Thompson and Andy Duncan have attended the Scottish Broadcasting Commission. They didn't get on a plane and fly up to Glasgow for fun. They came here because they know it's a serious media centre."

Referring to Mr Grade's comments that the only option for ambitious Scots was to go to London, Mr Cosgrove said that was not necessarily a bad thing: "I think Scotland and other small nations invariably suffer from 'talent drift', where generations of talent leave the country for opportunities elsewhere.

"In small nations you'd be naive to think that there aren't bigger stages," Mr Cosgrove said. "It's a good thing to move around.

"If you take the example of the tennis player Andy Murray. We want him to succeed internationally and to do that he has to go to America, Europe and Australia. If he was to only play in Scotland, he'd never be known. It's the same with music."

Media 'suffers talent exit' as creative minds head south to London

SCOTLAND'S broadcasting industry is faltering because potential talent is continuing to relocate to London, according to one of Britain's foremost media figures.

Michael Grade, the executive chairman of ITV, said the "brutal truth" was that Scotland suffered from a "talent exit problem", a view expressed by other major media companies in evidence to the Scottish Broadcasting Commission.

Mr Grade, a former chairman of the board of governors of the BBC, said he had been coming to Scotland for two decades, but found anyone with talent had moved south to further their career.

His candid views were published yesterday in evidence released by the commission in its ongoing inquiry into the future of the industry.

Addressing Blair Jenkins, the chairman of the commission, last month, Mr Grade, also a former chief executive of Channel 4, said: "You need a couple of hits and that cures everything. How do you get there from here? You've got years of decline and, almost, neglect."

He added: "I think you have a talent exit problem. There's no shortage of very successful creative Scottish writers, directors, producers and executives in broadcasting around the rest of the UK, particularly in the metropolitan London area."

His comments formed part of a frosty response by ITV to the commission, with the commercial broadcaster claiming it was not obliged to source network programmes from Scotland at all.

The firm said it operated in a free market for ideas and talent, and that Scottish producers simply did not succeed in capturing their interest.

The reason why Scottish creative personnel had been unable to make their name in their homeland, Mr Grade suggested, was "lost in the mists of time", but he suggested there was hope for the future, pointing to BBC Scotland's new headquarters at Pacific Quay in Glasgow.

He added: "The success of one or two independents up here will encourage talented people to stay and to show that it is possible."

Mr Grade said public intervention, including tax breaks, was one option, but difficult to justify, adding: "I'm sure there are bigger priorities in Scotland."

Mr Grade's views were echoed by Andy Duncan, Channel 4's chief executive. In his evidence to the commission, Mr Duncan said: "We haven't got strong drama-producing companies in Scotland who are pitching strong ideas, so even if we said we'd love to have a returning drama series in Scotland, there's just not the company there to do that."

Hamish Barbour, creative director of IWC Media, pointed to tax credit systems in Canada and Ireland as a way of boosting local broadcasting industries. He said such a system "would have a huge impact".

Slimmed-down Gaelic service to cost £20m

MORE than £20 million a year is to be spent on a new dedicated Gaelic broadcasting service that will be accessible to just 1.2 per cent of Scotland.

The service, which was approved by the BBC Trust yesterday, will be launched in the summer to cater for the nation's Gaelic-speaking population of around 60,000.

But the service, which will cost licence fee payers an additional £3.5 million a year, will be a slimmed-down version from what was envisaged. It will launch on cable, satellite and broadband, but not Freeview, amid continued fears it may lack public value.

The BBC Executive and the Gaelic Media Service (GMS) applied to the BBC Trust to set up the service in July 2007.

It will cost £20.8 million a year, of which GMS will contribute £10.1 million and the BBC £10.7 million. The BBC already spends £7.2 million a year on Gaelic services.

The decision not to transmit the services on Freeview cut the cost by £4 million, the BBC said.

The trust warned in November that the BBC Executive and the GMS, who are behind the plan, still needed to prove its worth for the general public.

Yesterday, it said steps had been made in this direction – but indicated it was still not fully convinced. This led to the rejection, for the time being, of the Freeview option, which will be reviewed in 2010 to establish whether the service reaches a wide audience and has educational value for non-Gaelic speakers.

The Gaelic Zone will continue to transmit on terrestrial BBC2.

HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS

1. BBC commissions Waterloo Road, drama series about failing comprehensive school. Set in Rochdale, it stars Neil Morrissey (from Stoke-on-Trent) and Denise Welch (from Co Durham).

2. Series produced in Manchester for BBC by Shed Media. Despite Scottish connections, Shed Media is based in London.

3. Anne Mensah is series' executive producer. She moves from north-east of England in 2006 to become head of drama at BBC Scotland.

4. Series then branded BBC Scotland "strand" on back of Mensah move. Few other Scots involved in the show.

5. BBC Scotland regards series as vehicle to which cast and crew of River City might "graduate". But Scottish writer only comes on board for Waterloo Road's 12th episode.

6. BBC director-general Mark Thompson defends practice. He tells Scottish Broadcasting Commission: "I believe that when there is authentic, creative leadership in executive production from a nation, the fact that a programme is made elsewhere in the UK should not exclude it."



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  • Last Updated: 29 January 2008 9:35 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Ayrshire Scot™ ,

29/01/2008 00:22:43
Superb. Something new for Salmond to get apoplectic with rage about. He will be frothing at the mouth over this one. It is his poor wife I feel sorry for.
2

Ayrshire Scot™ ,

29/01/2008 00:25:38
Now that the BBC is going to waste money on a Gaelic channel, I am starting a campaign to get it banned off terrestrial tv and replaced with repeats of the Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

If you wish to join the campaign here is the contact address for the gaelic media service

fios@gms.org.uk
3

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 29/01/2008 00:36:06
Dotaman could take DJ Jazzy Jeff any day of the week fakey.

Glad the commission picked up on this. London Prod'n companies have been coming up here for the last ten years opening an office staffing it with a Tarquin or Clarinda and siphoning up the Nations and Regions commissions.

This is the most telling comment, and any First Minister would be right to get angry about it.

'Addressing Blair Jenkins, the chairman of the commission, last month, Mr Grade, also a former chief executive of Channel 4, said: "You need a couple of hits and that cures everything. How do you get there from here? You've got years of decline and, almost, neglect."'
4

Edward,

29/01/2008 00:36:11
#1 & #2 Ayrshire Scot
Your one sad person!
You are really clueless of what is going on and what this is all about
Firsty why should First Minister Salmond get 'apoplectic'? The people of Scotland should be angered, quite rightly at being duped into believing that programmes that claim to be made by BBC Scotland are made in Scotland. A bit like buying something with Made in Scotland on the box, only to open up the box and find its made in China!
As for the Gaelic Channel, it will serve all the Gaelic speakers and encourage interest in the Gaelic language, however your incorrect as regards broadcast on terrestrial as it will not be broadcast on Freeview, but will only be available via Satellite or internet.
Perhaps you should start taking more pride in Scotland, that is if you really are Scottish as you claim
5

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 29/01/2008 00:42:33
Don't really mater does it.?

We have all known for..'Donkey-Years' we DONT really have a Proper,
'Scottish TV Service'

Look at the absolute, 'JOKE' Edinburgh gets on TV coverage for hogmanay!

A School Class of 12year olds could do better.!!

The BBC are becoming a..'Disaster' for family TV viewing!
Look at CBBC for instance, Saturday Mornings used to have plenty, Live shows on for Children all ages,
Now it only shows, 'cheap non interesting, stupid cartoons'
But it saves money for the BBC, when they show cartoons all day!...'dont-it'
20pence an Hour is it.?
Thats all its worth!
'ABSOULETLY DISSGRACEFUL'

____________________

Comming on to the Topic of "Waterloo Road" who cares where its made..??
This is a, 'semi-good' programme that my DYW and I enjoy!

And whats with that 'Rubbish' the BBC put on BBC3,

'The Family Guy'..??

For 'Gods-Sake' another 20pence an hour, for them to show.?
What 'Adult', wants to watch it at 11pm-1am.??

I must say, over the last 7years the BBC has gone to,
'THE-PITT'S'

As for Scotland, we never get a, 'look-in', only,
'Tread-upon'

Typical attitude;

'OH'..'OH'..BBC..'Thats Wonderful Viewing'!
'OH'..'OH'..BBC..'You are our God'!
'OH'.. 'OH'..BBC..'You know best what we want to watch'!
'OH'.. 'OH'..BBC..'More,,,More,,,More'!

And Like, 'Scottish-Mice' we never speak up!

Dont Blame the BBC! We are the ones to Blame,,because
'WE'
Let them away with it!!

Here's Some 'Rotton old food to eat!
Its gona msake you very ill!
'OH'..'OH'..'Thats OK IM Scottish'!
6

Jwil,

29/01/2008 00:46:12
"A BBC Scotland spokesman last night pointed out the network success of Waterloo Road had allowed Shed Media to produce ----- Hope Springs -----, an upcoming series to be located in Scotland."

located being the operative word the lead actor is English and only the scenery is Scottish!
7

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29/01/2008 01:29:47
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8

Kipling,

29/01/2008 01:53:40
what d'you expect of the British Broadcasting Con.
9

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 29/01/2008 02:16:16
12 Kipling,
"what d'you expect of the British Broadcasting Con."

Nowt.. 'Absolutely'..Nowt.!

As it IS.! :-((
10

Faye,

29/01/2008 02:45:04
Does this mean the game show scams weren't made in Scotland?
11

Guga II,

Rockall 29/01/2008 05:10:19
What else would you expect from the EBC, other than a pack of lies and distortions.

It's time we got rid of all traces of English control over broadcasting in Scotland, among other things, and got rid of the iniquitous television tax, most of which goes to the EBC in England.

#5 AM Squared, as usual, tries to do a bit of distortion of his own. He is so pro-unionist that he tries to make out that it is only a complaint about Scots and English working on the same productions; as opposed to the EBC deliberately lying about where programs are made.

#10 Balamory is probably too complex for AM Squared and, anyway, they don't have Irish accents.
12

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29/01/2008 05:59:29
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13

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

29/01/2008 06:05:28
Its worrying that these are another example of highly skilled and paid jobs that we are not allowed to have here.

Everything that is worth something is taken away.
14

williamx,

canada 29/01/2008 06:35:33
I live in a small village south of Vancouver. Many Canadian or Foreign film makers use the village for scenes in their movies. This gives funds to the local shopkeepers and the town council. we don't care where the actors, writers etc come from so long as we get paid and there is a credit at the end of the broadcast.
By playing the BBC game you are missing out on income to local sites.
Perhaps the Scottish Parliament should set out what constitutes a " Scottish" program ie made in Scotland. The Scottish parliament should demand that there is some accounting policy such as based on Scottish license payments with an agreement that the amount over the physical provision of the service should be spent in Scotland and not in India etc.
If the BBC fails to accept these proposals, then the Scottish Government should be the only government to collect license fees and should pay the BBC for transmission costs and the expense of shows produced in Scotland.
In other words, the Scottish government collects the license fees and pays the BBC for what the Scottish government considers as service. This way all the little games cease. Perhaps Bendy Wendy could add this to her Scottish devolved commission?
15

Drum Major,

Keperra 29/01/2008 06:42:43
I would send them a snail mail but I can't get Canon Australia to provide technical support for my Pixma ip3000.
16

Ayrshire Scot™ ,

29/01/2008 06:48:41
#4 Edward. The new channel will not be on Freeview as you say. However I am talking about the gaelic garbage that is currently on terrestrial and is staying on terrestrial. Namely Eorpa, De a Nis, Cuntaas etc. Viewing figures for these must be in the region of 10 sheep farmers and 5 crofters. These programs should be replaced forthwith.
17

Grumpy,

29/01/2008 07:02:24
Using the BBCs logic, ALL programmes should go out as having been produced in Scotland, since, using their tenuous link logic, John Logie Baird (the inventor of TV) was Scottish, and Lord Reith, the founder of the BBC was also Scottish.

But the down side of that is that BBC Scotland would get crdited with producing Eastenders.............
18

subrosa,

29/01/2008 07:25:26
# 11

Tend to agree with you about Pete Wishart. He's never been a particularly 'strong' MP. Mind you I didn't think he looked too well. Maybe his days with Runrig are beginning to tell.
19

Alannah,

29/01/2008 07:41:43
Never mind the number of programmes made "outside Scotland" .... what about the shocking lack of programes either made or based in locations other than close to the BBC's Clydeside fortress? The rest of Scotland barely gets a look in!
20

Iain fae Elgin,

London 29/01/2008 07:42:06
Two words:

River City.



Oh, and another five:
Must do better next time.


I'm not suprised they don't let Scottish production companies loose with anymore money.
21

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 29/01/2008 07:43:28
Scottish talent tends to go South as the prospects are better. The results are the low standards of home-grown programmes. This clearly applies to the rest of our media and also to our politics. Short of forbidding people to move or paying Scots more than foreigners (and neither would guarantee higher standards) what else can be done?
22

donald,

glasgow 29/01/2008 07:44:43
EBC Goes Ape with Labour policies.
23

James,

Dùn Dèagh 29/01/2008 07:45:42
We should be grateful for the crumbs from her majestys EBC's table!

Chic Young anyone?
24

donald,

glasgow 29/01/2008 07:46:58
Anything detrimental to Scotland gets automatic approval from Labour's Brit Nat trolls
25

jj veritas,

29/01/2008 07:51:27
BBC staff and politicians - two of a kind - paid by the taxpayer and rely on sham to kid the public.
26

conservative,

Fife 29/01/2008 07:51:55
#25 Rulesbutnotrulers

Well for a start we could make it clear how much we want to sever all connections with England. Come on you SNP cannon-fodder - you're missing another opportunity. That should be enough to make Scottish talent want to stay here......

Yeah - right!
27

eric,

Lothian 29/01/2008 07:54:38
I stopped atching BBC channels years ago.Its just like flicking through the hundreds of Channels in the USA that are meaningless tripe.Scrap licence now,
28

Joe,

Harthill Rim 29/01/2008 08:17:24
The BBC of course using the term 'Scotland'
(meaning Glasgow) that gets aired so much these day - no pun intended!
29

Vincent-W,

29/01/2008 08:34:16
Talented and ambitious people will always go to where they think they can best further their careers.

There's no conspiracy - it's just life.

The problem is someone decides to try and apply quota rules that go against the trend, then in order to show compliance to these barmy rules organisations have to become 'creative.'

30

Sheila mac,

Eyemouth 29/01/2008 08:41:44
Dear #4 and several others. What's all this malarky about the 'True Scots', and standing up for your rights and proud of it. I'm English and proud of it. I live in Scotland - and love it - and proud of it. I love the country and the people. So please stop making me feel like a 2nd class citizen.
31

moiaussi,

29/01/2008 08:53:28
#33
Vincent - the TV licence fee is only spent on 'British' even if it does ocassionally involve joint productions with other countries. Talent, etc follows the money - that's the trend. If the money was kept here the talent would also stay here much more than it does.
32

Vincent-W,

29/01/2008 08:59:29
#35 - It's not always about money. A young talented person will want to go to a centre of excellence wherever that may be and rub shoulders with the best in field.
33

Ike,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 09:02:28
Surely this is about the license/tax which we all have to pay on threat of prison. The BBC has an obligation to spend Scottish license-payers cash here. There were almost 7 hours of English football on Saturday on BBC 1 and not a kick of the ball in Scotland. Hard cash in fees goes to these English clubs when most Scottish clubs are starving. It's the same right across the BBC - the message is that we're not good enough... and that's total s****!
34

Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh. 29/01/2008 09:05:16
Shortage of news today?
35

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 29/01/2008 09:05:33
Everyone scoffed at the idea of a Scottish Broadcasting Commission but it appears the BBC have been deceiving the Governors, as well as the Scottish public!

The BBC is a monolithic organisation which will never devolve a larger share of radio and televsion production to the 'Regions'.

36

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/01/2008 09:08:21
THE Scotsman was last night accused of perpetrating a sham over the number of Scottish stories with a tenuous link it "produces".
37

Gusto,

29/01/2008 09:09:38
Well statistically, CNN has more "Scottish" news than the BBC. Internationally (BBC1+2+World) rarely or only by accident, mention Scottish news, or even football results - yes - English, Spanish, Italian premier league, but no Scottish results.
Nothing new - British is English - always has been, but the Scots can tag along - token value...
38

Ike,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 09:15:44
#38 It very much is news... a highly critcal report on a hugely inluential opinion former which does more than any other organisation in the UK to shape perceptions. It takes £300 million tax from Scotland and it is a disgrace that these monies are not invested here. It can do whar it wants with its other £2.7 Billion for all I care, but this is a genuine scandal.
39

Hugo of Garven,

29/01/2008 09:16:55
The scandal is the economy of truth made by the BBC when labelling some network programmes as 'Scottish productions'.

The BBC used to have, and deserve, a reputation for truth. Now it only has the reputation - and that is dwindling.
40

Sedov,

Scotland 29/01/2008 09:16:58
Who cares where they are made as long as the programmes are good quality - the Scotsman is getting as bad as Breakfast television for gossip.
41

gus1940,

Edinburgh 29/01/2008 09:18:35
As long as we don't just get more cr-p about Rangers & Celtic.
42

Jambo Number 1,

29/01/2008 09:24:58
What a surprise that AM2 loves the Enland-Scotland working relationship..

May I ask you AM2 how many English Productions are made in Scotland under, say BBC Solent or BBC Manchester?

Many Nationalists complain of a one way Union?

It seems Unionists just seem to enjoy being subserivent to the English, I know I don't.

Scottish 6 now please, that would be good for starters. (David Robertsons pen tricks are worth it alone)
43

Mikey,

29/01/2008 09:28:25
I see the Britnat trolls are out in force today. I realise that Ayrshire fakey doesn't understand Gaelic programmes. Let's face it, Eorpa is FAR too highbrow for him! What's the matter fakey, can't read the subtitles?

Sheila Mac, if you're English and live in Scotland, what's the problem? True Scots are those who want to make the country grow and prosper. Britnats are those who want to see the country on it's knees and resent anyone who stands up for Scotland and tries to make it a better place to live! Which one are you? Considering of course, that you don't have to be born in Scotland to be a 'true Scot!'
44

Nellie,

Liverpool 29/01/2008 09:29:05
If this bothers the great Scottish public, the Aussies will be right about whinging Poms.
45

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/01/2008 09:30:30
You are forgetting it is the "British" Broadcast in Company.

Most of it's programming has to appeal to people across the board. Minority interest will always be just that.

Personally I HATE prime time Saturday night TV - dont even get me started on Strictly come dancing or that new Stars in their eyes type rubbish - but that seems to be what the masses want.

Its the English diaspora effect. Theres nine times more of them than you.

Still, you have Coast, you have the Gaelic stuff, i believe you still get Sctottish parliament shown live.

More interesting to me is the disparity of programming made in Glasgow rather than Edinburgh.

Don't we have anyone interested in working in TV in Edinburgh ?

Can anyone name ONE show , of any format , currently showing which is made in Edinburgh ? Rebus doesnt count.
46

North Enclosure ER,

HUNGERFORD 29/01/2008 09:46:06
#34 For Scots read - People of Scotland it - does not matter that you are Welsh, Irish or English or any other nationality. It is the people of Scotland that are losing out with this BBC deception.



47

Ike,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 09:48:55
# 44
How depressing.

We - the license payers - have no choice but to stump up the £3 billion plus income enjoyedby the BBC including the £800k + benfits to Director General Mark Thomson. But we don't get shares or voting rights even though we own it, and despite the fact that this is very big business indeed. I know of no other business which can sell its product on the international market trousering all the proceeds without asny regard to the poor suckers who have to stump up the venture capital year in, year out, undcer threat of prison. If the BBC is a national treasure 9 per cent of that treasure should be invested in our young people... writers, artists, actors, cameramen etc for the benefit of the economy here. Why should our young talent have second class, lower level ambitions? It's a genuine scandal.
48

Undertone,

29/01/2008 09:56:36
"Slimmed-down Gaelic service to cost £20m

MORE than £20 million a year is to be spent on a new dedicated Gaelic broadcasting service that will be accessible to just 1.2 per cent of Scotland"

Shame on you Martyn for spoiling a sensible piece of journalism with this slanted nonsense about the Gaelic service.

"Accessible to just 1.2 per cent of Scotland" ...really?; surely it will be accessible to everyone who has a Sky platform & why did you use "just". Slimmed down to £20 million you claim - it was never going to cost more than this figure!!

If some of the mainstream productions that come from BBC Scotland consistently matched the quality of the Gaelic output - Radio especially but also TV - the overall offering to the Scottish public would be far better.

So, instead of indulging in this petty nonsense Martyn could you direct your talent towards making BBC Scotland a world class service.The first part of your articile is worthy of debate within this context; the latter part is divisive rubbish.

Raise you game mate......
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Brucey,

29/01/2008 09:58:43
This is a big issue for the production sector up here, but its not restricted to us. BBC Wales nominally produced Life On Mars despite it being set and shot in Manchester with a pretty much exclusively English creative and production team. Waking The Dead was nominally BBC Northern Ireland - and so the BBC gets to talk about the many hours of regional drama it produces.

We face a much more deep rooted problem with broadcasters. They simply think that with one or two exceptions the audience won't watch Scottish drama because of the accents and the content - they automatically assume that its full of miserable sweaty's. I've known drama series in development set in the west end of Glasgow where commissioners have taken one look and thought we don't want miserable scots.. Most series, if they are to have a chance have to have at least one English character at its core.

The assertion that River City is a kind of academy from which people graduate to shows like Waterloo Road is misleading. The people referred to have made lots of network primetime drama before working for River City.

As for our resident cheerleader, Scotland does better than chunks of East Anglia. He's kidding, right?
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 10:00:24
1 You are an ignoramus!

No one can possibly benefit from the loss of a language and the culture and the literature that invariably go with it.Your view has no more resonance than if I suggest ban the teaching of Burns,because the man couldnae talk proper Inglish wot we can !

You are a really pathetic excuse for a Scotsman.
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InThe Know,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 10:09:14
Film 2008 with Jonathan Ross has a BBC Scotland caption. It is made 100% in London with London staff - but it is paid for by BBC Scotland, who get no benefit from it. The money is stolen from the Scottish Budget to fund London Programmes.
Look up Ms. Mensah in the BBC Scotland directory, and you will see that Ms. Mensah, with her "BBC Scotland" drama department, is actually based in a London, not Glasgow office. BBC Scotland only pays for it.
Programmes made on location in Scotland, like Rock Face, Monarch of the Glen and Hamish MacBeth had their entire crews jetted in from London and accommodated at great expense in hotels up her for each of these series. There was real Scottish involvement - production and technical crews were all from London.
Scottish Rugby Internationals at Murrayfield and all athletic events in Scotland, once covered by BBC Scotland, are now done at enormous expense by 100% London Crews, again flown and put up in top hotels at great expense, all to avoid using any BBC Scotland staff.
BBC Scotland in the past ten years has become just a sham, suffering massive redundancies and loss of facilities while work, even that done in Scotland, has been transferred to London.
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InThe Know,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 10:11:33
Film 2008 with Jonathan Ross has a BBC Scotland caption. It is made 100% in London with London staff - but it is paid for by BBC Scotland, who get no benefit from it. The money is stolen from the Scottish Budget to fund London Programmes.
Look up Ms. Mensah in the BBC Scotland directory, and you will see that Ms. Mensah, with her "BBC Scotland" drama department, is actually based in a London, not Glasgow office. BBC Scotland only pays for it.
Programmes made on location in Scotland, like Rock Face, Monarch of the Glen and Hamish MacBeth had their entire crews jetted in from London and accommodated at great expense in hotels up her for each of these series. There was real Scottish involvement - production and technical crews were all from London.
Scottish Rugby Internationals at Murrayfield and all athletic events in Scotland, once covered by BBC Scotland, are now done at enormous expense by 100% London Crews, again flown and put up in top hotels at great expense, all to avoid using any BBC Scotland staff.
BBC Scotland in the past ten years has become just a sham, suffering massive redundancies and loss of facilities while work, even that done in Scotland, has been transferred to London.
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Electric Hermit,

29/01/2008 10:11:33
Ayrshire Scot™

"However I am talking about the gaelic garbage that is currently on terrestrial and is staying on terrestrial. Namely Eorpa, De a Nis, Cuntaas etc. Viewing figures for these must be in the region of 10 sheep farmers and 5 crofters. These programs should be replaced forthwith."

This is ill-informed petty selfishness of the worst kind. If you had actually viewed the programme before shooting your mouth off you would be aware that Eorpa is an extremely informative and interesting production. Although I have no Gaelic I frequently watch it. I certainly would not presume to comment on it from a position of complete ignorance.

And your notion that a programme is only worthwhile if it attracts a mass audience is equally shallow. Unlike yourself, I rejoice in the rich diversity of TV. Even those parts which have no appeal for me personally. I am appalled by the thought that all TV might be reduced to the bland, mass-market pap that you seem to favour.
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InThe Know,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 10:11:53
Film 2008 with Jonathan Ross has a BBC Scotland caption. It is made 100% in London with London staff - but it is paid for by BBC Scotland, who get no benefit from it. The money is stolen from the Scottish Budget to fund London Programmes.
Look up Ms. Mensah in the BBC Scotland directory, and you will see that Ms. Mensah, with her "BBC Scotland" drama department, is actually based in a London, not Glasgow office. BBC Scotland only pays for it.
Programmes made on location in Scotland, like Rock Face, Monarch of the Glen and Hamish MacBeth had their entire crews jetted in from London and accommodated at great expense in hotels up her for each of these series. There was real Scottish involvement - production and technical crews were all from London.
Scottish Rugby Internationals at Murrayfield and all athletic events in Scotland, once covered by BBC Scotland, are now done at enormous expense by 100% London Crews, again flown and put up in top hotels at great expense, all to avoid using any BBC Scotland staff.
BBC Scotland in the past ten years has become just a sham, suffering massive redundancies and loss of facilities while work, even that done in Scotland, has been transferred to London.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/01/2008 10:18:09
Working on the principle that if something is wrong then offer suggestions to fix it - what do you want to see on BBC ?

Write to them and tell them.
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29/01/2008 10:21:05
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 10:23:30
The simple fact is that Scotland pays 9% of the BBC funding,and receives 3% of the expenditure, and now we find that even that was debatably falsified!

The BBC MUST fix this and be made to make up for the funds which have been taken out of Scotland and used to subsidise London and the rest of England for years now.
The simple fact is the BBC operate a single part time radio station in Scotland,(BBC Radio Scotland) and south of the border we have :

North East & Cumbria:
1. Radio Cumbria
2. Radio Newcastle
3. BBC Tees
North West:
4. Radio Lancashire
5. Radio Merseyside
6. Radio Manchester
Yorkshire:
7. Radio Leeds
8. Radio Sheffield
9. Radio York
East Yorks & Lincs:
10. Radio Humberside
11. Radio Lincolnshire
East Midlands:
12. Radio Nottingham
13. Radio Leicester
14. Radio Derby
West Midlands:
15. Radio Stoke
16. Radio Shropshire
17. WM
18. Coventry & Warwickshire
19. Hereford & Worcester

East:
20. Radio Northampton
21. Three Counties Radio
22. Radio Cambridgeshire
23. Radio Norfolk
24. Radio Suffolk
25. BBC Essex
London:
26. BBC London 94.9
South East:
27. Radio Kent
28. Southern Counties Radio
South:
29. Radio Berkshire
30. Radio Oxford
31. Radio Solent
West:
32. Radio Gloucestershire
33. Radio Swindon
34. Radio Wiltshire
35. Radio Bristol
36. BBC Somerset
South West:
37. Radio Devon
38. Radio Cornwall
39. Radio Guernsey
40. Radio Jersey
Theres how Scotland's licence fee is spent!

You are also familiar with England games appearing on BBC whilst Scotland games were televised by SETANTA or elsewhere .
It does not take a genius to work out that if the BBC does not win the bid for Scotland games then thats money which can be used to cover England's games.
We already would only get our share by virtue of the fact that we are only 9% of the population and unlikely to match England in sport very often.
We even had Regional variations in the weather
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Dileas,

29/01/2008 10:23:57
"One programme criticised for a lack of transparency over where it was made is Waterloo Road, the hit drama series starring Denise Welch and Neil Morrissey. Set in Rochdale, it is produced in Manchester by an independent company, Shed Media, which despite having strong Scottish connections, is based in London.

Nonetheless, the drama is branded as by BBC Scotland because Anne Mensah, the corporation's head of drama in Scotland, is its executive producer."

I am amazed that not one of the 60 posts so far has asked why, if Anne Mensah is "head of drama in Scotland" she is producing programmes in Manchester.

Why is she not working in Scotland?

Is the "Scottish" part of her job simply that she is paid by BBC Scotland - even the funding allegedly allocated to Scotland is being "redirected" to England.
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 10:26:49
62 continued (blame the BBC )

We even had Regional variations in the weather for English regions and yet Scotland and Northern Ireland were treated as a single report when they cover 50% of the United Kingdom in area !They therefore have 50% of the weather and thats dictated by a far higher authority than the BRITISH BRAINWASHING CORPORATION!
We are not complaining! We are sick up to the teeth!
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29/01/2008 10:26:50
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Highland Mighty,

29/01/2008 10:28:17
26, 27, 28, 29 and 31 are all by the same tedious nat poster!

They are killing these boards with all their fake users and relentless ranting.

And if Salmond beheaded a puppy on live children's tv they would applaud him for protecting kids from what would eventually have been a killer dog under NuLabour of London.
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InThe Know,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 10:28:31
A question Mr. Salmond should be asking under the Freedom of Information Act. Just how many times a year do BBC London outside Broadcast units come to Scotland and what are the costs in travel and subsistence? The BBC with their mania for paperwork have this all itemised and costed, so they have precise figures. What is the carbon footprint alone of these thousands, many thousands of flights and the lumbering fleet of huge vehicles, often 10 or more trundling the 2400 miles from London belching greenhouse gases, using perhaps 5,000 litres or more of diesel per programme all to avoid using local facilities?
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29/01/2008 10:32:02
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 29/01/2008 10:32:30
I am gratified to learn that one of the BBC "Scotland" programmes is filmed in Canada (Shoebox Zoo).

It must be because of our breathtaking and expansive scenery.

Also, our first Prime Minister was Sir John A MacDonald, a dipsomaniacal Scot, and this is carrying on the tradition.
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 10:35:38
66
Firstly you cannot possibly know that to be correct .

You could just as easily be Am2 for all we know.

Secondly even if you were correct it would neither validate nor invalidate what he has to say,and you should realise that!

Your point is pure presumption and therefore futile.
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29/01/2008 10:36:27
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InThe Know,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 10:42:32
#63
Read my posts above. Ms. Mensah actually based in London, as the "Scottish Drama Department" is just a sham and a fraud. Look her up in the BBC Scotland telephone directory and the only phone number against her name is a London, not Scottish one. That says it all. This started with Andrea Calderwood many years ago and every BBC Scotland Head of Drama since has perpetuated the situation. They base themselves in London to be with all their London Luvvy friends, to whom they give all the work.
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Ayrshire Scot™ ,

29/01/2008 10:59:16
I hope somebody dubs River City into Gaelic and they move it onto the new Gaelic channel. They need to move Sgeul Slainte off the main schedule as well. These must be the worst 2 programs on Tv at the moment.
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sweet76,

Coventry 29/01/2008 11:10:47
When are the brain dead nationalists that post 'the English have taken this and the English have taken that' going to realise that England and London are 2 different places.
The English population that lives outside of the M25 are as hacked off as everyone else when it comes to the amount of resources that London takes.
Does accepting this fact effect anyone's self imposed victim status or are nationalists the same as those in the south east of England thinking that they are at the centre of the universe and no one else excists.
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InThe Know,

29/01/2008 11:23:10
#74
And what relevance does that to the BBC's lie, that money they claim is being spent in Scotland is actually not? This has nothing to do with "brain dead nationalists" as you say, just a massive fraud by a Corporation which almost daily gets caught perpetrating some fraud or deception. It's al about trust, decency and honesty, qualities which long ago ceased to exist in the BBC.
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sweet76,

29/01/2008 11:30:43
#74
#15 Guga II "It's time we got rid of all traces of English control over broadcasting in Scotland"

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sweet76,

29/01/2008 11:35:57
The BBC is ran for the benefit of the people who work there any political bias they wish to broadcast.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

29/01/2008 11:36:50
1,2,73 etc - Morning Fakey (space)

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Morbo,

29/01/2008 11:43:15
The obvious solution is to close the BBC or end the licence fee. Why should I pay for someone else to watch Eastenders, etc? Why should the chairman get paid 3/4 of a million of public money for doing f all?

Scottish Six - let's face it, it would be Glasgow Six and there's only so much news about Celtic someone can take. News is international and almost nothing of consequence happens in Scotland so all you're talking about is news presented by two Scottish people. Since these people already have a job at 6:30 there will be no extra jobs or money out of this, just more inappropriate jokey banter by people not good enough to get a national job.

Money does get subverted and concentrated in London but let's focus on the bigger thieves like St Pancreas Station paid for by the nation and used by mostly Londoners and foreigners. Then, when there is traffic congestion (because they've concentrated all the jobs in the south east) they start with taxation under the assumption the whole country is like that. They have no idea because they never leave London to find out.
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Liz,

Edinburgh 29/01/2008 11:43:36
#74
Yes, and at least the Scots have a voice/platform on these issues. Most of England gets more shafted than Scotland on these things but they do not get the same opportunities to winge about them.
There is little local output from any of English regions (apart from the news).
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Jackie Priest,

29/01/2008 11:45:23
#25
Rulesbutnotrulers,

You're right of course.

The problem is that Scotland doesn't have a media infrastructure of its own, simply because it is not its own nation. Within the union, we have not developed the way that naitons do. We don't have our own autonomous media in exactly the same way we don't have our own autonomous political system.

The result is that those who seek a career in the media or politics are contrained to go to England or elsewhere abroad. Devolution has changed this to some extent, which is nice, but it's obviously not enough.

We are paying a price for not being a nation in the fully operational sense. Homegrown talent has no indigenous outlet, so it filters off elsewhere.

The SNP or independistas rightly want to change that. Why unionists insist on calling that a bad thing is beyond me. Shouldn't a nation have its own institutions top serve the prospects of the people who live there? Of course it should.

I find the attitude of unionists towards such issues extremely disparaging towards Scotland.

Scots need to attain to everything that other countries have or else they are nothing. And that includes its own media, controlled exclusively within Scotland by people who live there.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 29/01/2008 11:45:25
ahhhh, the Union dividend !
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Alfie the OK,

Reporting live from the English Regions.... 29/01/2008 11:57:01
At least you have a BBC Scotland - ie, it's named after your country. Down here we have to make do with 'The English Regions' (whatever they are). And at every single opportunity, the Beeb never fails to do Gordon's bidding in his attempt to rebrand England as 9 backwater regions. Hopefully, the BBC will go the way of all overblown and inefficient stste-run clubs for the boys (and girls) - and capitulate.

It used to be objective and fair - and the finest broadcaster in the world. Those days are now long gone. They now seem to be obsessed with being New Labour's poodle, wasting tonnes of cash on meaningless projects - and knocking out ever more repeats of Dad's Army and Only Fools and Horses....
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 29/01/2008 11:57:04
#81 Jackie the P.

Nationalism solves nothing! Poland is a nation with full control yet its brightest and best have fled, too, just like the bright Scots.

Nationalism is a myth and those who propose it as a panacea are either deluded or dangerous, or both.

There is NOTHING wrong with Scotland that can't be sorted out by commonsense (other than the weather and midgies).
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InThe Know,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 12:00:17
#81
Not true. Scotland did have an extensive and successful broadcasting system in the largely devolved BBC Scotland. However, John Birt started the destruction of this and successive DGs ever since have carried on with this centralist policies. Even the great Greg Dyke, almost worshipped in London, was a centralist, probably the worst ever, opposed to any production outside London, and no friend of BBC Scotland. The last BBC Scotland controller to behave honourably and try to defend BBC Scotland was Alastair Hetherington, who was sacked for his efforts. Since then London have appointed a series of weak "yes men" who agree to the wholesale destruction of the organisation they should be defending. Pacific Quay was thrown to them as a sop - a big shiny impressive building which does not even work technically and produces nothing, yet provides over a thousand largely sinecure jobs but no programmes. The present controller, Ken MacQuarrie is the supreme example of complacency, not daring to speak out as BBC Scotland is systematically demolished underneath him.
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Calum Crubag,

29/01/2008 12:01:57
Why doesn't the Gaelic service go on Freeview. There's already a 'Gaelic there' that only broadcasts 30 minutes a day. Why not use that and save the money?
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Calum Crubag,

29/01/2008 12:03:12
#84 -Rulersnot... therefore you propose disolving the 'nation' of Great Britain? Or are you a British Nationalist?
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Jackie Priest,

29/01/2008 12:28:25
#84

Is this the one rule for Scotland and one rule for everyone else argument?
Are you one of these people who seems to forget that all other nations are independent and that Scotland is afreak because it is not?

Do you think that the nationalism of nations that actually are nations (France, Norway, Poland, Italy, Austria, Ireland, Luxeburg, etc etc) is a bad thing. Do you think that they are "dangerous" because they would never allow themselves to be governed from outside their own countries?

Your immature idea of Scottish nationalism as some kind of danger is deliberately fallacious and designed to make Scots think they're being "bad" if they choose to do what everyone else does - govern themselves.

And the same goes for developing our own indigenous media. Scotland, like every other nation, should have its own media network the same as all other countries. The fact that we don't have this is anti-democratic. We are a nation without our own voice. It appears that unionists appear to keep it that way, for shame.
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Queen D,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 12:44:02
Hope all the hacked off' English regions ' start shouting at the London BBC too!
Deluge them with complaint, insist that since they don't cover the country that they dispense with their compulsary fee and live in the world.
Insist that they reduce so called cele