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Published Date: 11 April 2009
BRITAIN is facing a "very dangerous" battle against terrorists who are becoming increasingly skilled at evading border controls, the UK's immigration minister admitted yesterday.
Phil Woolas warned of the danger posed by "clean skins" – suspects unknown to the security services – as he defended the UK's immigration system after ten of the 12 men arrested for an alleged terror plot were found to have entered the UK on dubious
student visas.

Mr Woolas admitted the system was not perfect but said that without it, loopholes would turn into a "gaping chasm and we would not be able to protect the public". He added: "We are not naive on this. This is a big and very dangerous battle we are waging."

Police continued to search ten addresses across north-west England yesterday amid fears that al-Qaeda had been planning an "Easter spectacular" bombing of shopping centres and a nightclub.

Last night the 12 suspects – 11 Pakistani nationals and one UK-born Briton – remained in custody as specialist teams searched properties in Liverpool, Manchester and Lancashire.

It emerged that MI5 officials had been alerted to the fear that shopping centres were being targeted when some of the suspects were seen taking photographs of each other at the Arndale and Trafford Centre shopping complexes in Manchester. Other locations said to have been under threat were St Ann's Square and the Birdcage nightclub in Manchester.

However, Greater Manchester's chief constable, Peter Fahy, said he had "no hesitation" in visiting those places, and shoppers were out in force yesterday at the start of the Bank Holiday weekend.

Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, spoke to Pakistan's president, Asif Ali Zardari, on Thursday night and they vowed to work together to tackle violent extremism.

The talks were held amid concern about the number of suspects who had come to the UK from Pakistan on student visas.

Of the 11 Pakistani nationals among those arrested in raids on Wednesday, ten were in Britain on student visas.

Pakistan's high commissioner, Wajid Shamsul Hasan, dismissed claims that his country was not doing enough to tackle extremists, insisting the UK needed to do more.

He said Pakistani authorities could help carry out background checks on student visa applicants but were not allowed to.

However, a UK-based radical cleric said a crackdown on visa regulations would be meaningless because there were "101 ways to enter the country".

Anjem Choudary, a former right-hand man to firebrand preacher Omar Bakri, said there was an influx of people from the Indian sub-continent to Britain, many of whom were angry about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"To say we would stop attacks with background checks is wrong because al-Qaeda are already three steps ahead of this," he said.

Professor Paul Wilkinson, a terrorism expert from St Andrews University, said banning students from Pakistan would be an own goal.

He said potential al-Qaeda militants needed to be won over on a "hearts and minds" basis.

Prof Wilkinson said: "The UK has a long-standing reputation for welcoming genuine, legitimate students from many countries and it is of great assistance to Britain's position internationally that we have so many people in key positions in lots of countries who have benefited from an education here.

"Pakistan has the most serious problems of many kinds. Stability there is a major objective, and we should be quietly assisting the Pakistani government in achieving this."

Mr Woolas insisted yesterday that foreign national students were checked against watchlists of criminals and suspects from other countries. He said there were 285 million people coming in and out of the UK every year, including nearly 400,000 issued with student visas.

"It's naive to think that we don't check – we do work very closely with the Pakistani authorities, indeed we've been criticised for doing so," he said. "We do have these systems of checking these people to the best of our ability and we are acknowledged in international police circles as being one of the best in the world."

Mr Woolas said he had no details of the arrests but "the fact of the matter" was that the individuals had been identified.

"The serious point that the opposition parties and other commentators must address is that if they continue to oppose our electronic borders system, then not only will there be loopholes, there will be a gaping chasm and we would not be able to protect the public," he said.

Tory shadow home secretary Chris Grayling called for the government to "urgently step up" background checks on students coming to Britain from countries linked to terror.

Government figures showed 42,292 student visas were issued to Pakistani students between April 2004 and April 2008.

In 2007-8, the last financial year for which figures are available, 9,544 Pakistani nationals were given student visas.

Figures from 2006 showed 98 per cent of applications for extension of leave to remain in Britain were granted and only 2 per cent were rejected.

Sir Andrew Green, chairman of campaign group Migrationwatch UK, said student visas were a "gaping hole" in Britain's borders.

He said: "Applicants from countries of concern should be given a full interview by a UK-based visa officer and only admitted if they can demonstrate that they are genuine."

Police start searching the local haunts of arrested suspects caught in terror raids

TEN locations have been searched by police looking for evidence of an alleged terrorist plot to bomb shopping centres and a nightclub.

An address in a deprived area of Liverpool became the latest to be raided, amid rumours that officers were searching for a bomb-making factory. This followed the arrest of 12 suspects on Wednesday in connection with a suspected plot described by Prime Minister Gordon Brown as "very big".

The raids had to be brought forward after the UK's chief counter-terrorism officer, Bob Quick, was pictured holding a folder in which details of the operation could be made out. Mr Quick has since resigned, to be replaced by John Yates.

Yesterday, police searched a second flat in a rundown complex in Liverpool. A flat in the same block in Highgate Street, Edge Hill, was raided on Wednesday along with other properties in the city, together with addresses in the Cheetham Hill area of Greater Manchester and Clitheroe, Lancashire.

Jalaraju Gorripati, 29, who lives in the Highgate Street flats, said he knew most of the residents.

He said: "Most of the people are students, about 85 per cent.

"I know most of the people here and I don't think anyone's capable of being involved in a terror plot."

Elsewhere, forensics officers continued searching the raided addresses in Cheetham Hill at Galsworthy Avenue, Abercarn Close, Esmond Road, Greenhill Road and the Cybernet Café in Cheetham Hill Road.

Searches were also taking place at Earle Road in Liverpool and two addresses in Cedar Grove, Toxteth, Liverpool.

Two jailed terrorists – one a Pakistani national who came to the UK on a student visa – lived a street away from two suspects who were arrested at a lodging house in Galsworthy Avenue.

Cheetham Hill taxi driver Habib Ahmed, 29, was jailed for ten years at Manchester Crown Court in December – nine for being a member of al-Qaeda and an additional year for possessing a document for terrorism-related purposes.

Mobile phone salesman Abdul Rahman, 26, was imprisoned for six years at the same court in November 2007 after he became the first person in Britain to be convicted of a charge of disseminating terrorist information.





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  • Last Updated: 10 April 2009 11:42 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Terrorism in the UK
 
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Los Angeles,

11/04/2009 00:46:52
Mr Woolas admitted the system was not perfect but said that without it, loopholes would turn into a "gaping chasm and we would not be able to protect the public". He added: "We are not naive on this. This is a big and very dangerous battle we are waging."


I'm checking inside my cornflake packet right now. No terrorist is ever gonna take ME by surprise!

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Finlang,

Switzerland 11/04/2009 01:07:29
Proof absolute that politicians are thicker than cowpats. Why is it that only the general populace see the threat and the obvious danger that free-for-all immigration has created? Christalmighty, it really makes you despair at the arrant stupidity, not to mention sheer arrogance, of the dunces that voters elect to serve them.

It's way beyond time for action, and action is the imperative. The Islamist mayhem begun in 2001, and replicated worldwide since, is largely down to crass career politicians entrusted with the safety of thre rest of us.

Border controls ...? Do me a favour. Many Swiss border controls with France, as one example, are paper thin. Why is it that Britain, an island, is so permeable? That's without any reference to fake visas and welcome to all-comers from the badlands of the Middle East and Indian subcontinent. I repeat - time for action.

As an afterthought - after a recent flight from Hong Kong to Scotland (a journey begun the day before in mainland China and 24 hours without sleep), I (white and blue-eyed) got the "treatment" from a zealous customs jobsworth at Edinburgh. Seriously makes you wonder who's in charge of the asylum ...




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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/04/2009 02:14:15

We know this already!, if you look in the Scotch Whisky issues in this paper,,

"Al-Qaeda", is sending to Scotland 100 cargo ships, to Scotland full of Fake Scotch Whisky.

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W Smith,

Middle East 11/04/2009 04:23:15
Dundee University has already had two terrorists on its campus and now this idiot Paul Wilkinson thinks it would be an "own goal" taking action against these Jihadists.

Funny how Mr Wilkinson doesn't have a problem with the SNP's Osama Saeed turning up at Dudee University to encourage muslims not to cooperate with police.

SO THAT'S NOT AN "OWN GOAL" THEN, MR EXPERT?

The snivelling SNP want to stop the British transport police searching muslims but have no problem with people like myself having to stand in the conga lines at Edinburgh airport.

Then getting frisked before taking off my watch and belt so I don't set off the metal detectors.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH SALMONDY BOY!
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W Smith,

Middle East 11/04/2009 04:30:55
I watched Gerry Adams on Sky news the other night embracing the leader of Hamas.

The connection between the IRA and Palestinian terrorists groups goes back over 30 years and had nothing to do with George Bush or the Iraq War.

Nicola Strugeon said there was a "strenght of feeling" in Scotland for the Palestinians and their AK-47 carrying leaders.

Funny how Nicola seems to confuse the predominantly proddie Scots with the catholics of West Belfast.

BTW
Some of us are still on to you Mr Salmond.
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greenhill,

11/04/2009 05:29:23
Anjem Choudary is a bog brush chinned maniac. Why he is not locked up?

There are too many just like him produced by over two decades of political multiculturalism brought to us by idiots like Ken Livingstone and Tony Blair.

The Labour party has created division and fostered terrorism because of its long held adherence to cultural relativism. That is why fuzzy faced nutbags like Choudary reckon that they can get away with making extreme proclamations to our media. They know they are up against a Government who bow down before such intimidation.

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huggs,

11/04/2009 06:01:41
Border control is a complete joke
I was behind what i presume was a Muslim lady at Heathrow impossible to tell as she had the full veil on passed through without a problem when only her/his eyes were visible.I come through next and i am asked to remove my cap so the official could see my face.I questioned the reason he did not ask the person in front to remove her face mask as thats what it is and was met with a very hostile reception.Border control is a joke when they are too afraid to insult the minority in case of being branded racist.This country has to wake up before its too late.
Anyone radical cleric should be removed ASAP anyone attending there sermons should go also its time to get tough
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common sense voice,

11/04/2009 07:37:18
#9, with you on the Heathrow hat issue, I've experienced similar myself... they're scared to do their job since there will be a legal case coming a day later...

I've said it before... but the Muslim situation is out of control and it's just a matter of time before another Tube disaster or something similar.. the young Muslims taunt the British these days since they seem to think we're soft with our pc ways and incredible ideas of justice (the legal gravy train).

However, be aware o'bearded ones.. we're the British, we'll kick your asses when required... God still seems to look after the white man ahead of the heathen masses.
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drunken proffet,

Tassy 11/04/2009 07:56:42
Well sixty years ago in the good old days we had Facists, Zionists, Anarchists and the possibility of a few others who were obviously up to no good. Nowadays you have folk from Pakistan who are mostly good honest living people but who have brought with them Islamic Fundamentalists. The world does not often change. If the powers that be decided to send the Pakastanis all home, then we would be left with the Cafflicks, Proddys, Wee Frees and a various selection of weird individuals who would not guarantee you a peaceful lifestyle.
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Woolly Ian,

Malaga, Spain 11/04/2009 07:58:18
"BRITAIN is facing a "very dangerous" battle against terrorists who are becoming increasingly skilled at evading border controls".

NO. They don't need to be skilled. Of those that were arrested, most were apparently let in to attend colleges that don't even exist! According to reports elsewhere, one had paperwork that wasn't in order but was still let in, on the basis that he went back to the office later with the right paperwork. Of course he was going to comply. NOT!

I wouldn't be allowed into the US or Pakistan or elsewhere if my paperwork wasn't in order. I would be arrested and deported, immediately, and the airline fined for carrying me.

Yet I am not allowed on a plane with a jar of peanut butter or a lightbulb for my British tablelamp (apparently because it contains mercury) or slug pellets, bought because they were on offer in Asda, in my hand-baggage!

How can UK protect its borders if it ignores the rules, clearly does insufficient checks, yet penalises and focuses the genuine traveller?
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Mallory,

Edinburgh 11/04/2009 08:04:28
It was Libya, Czechoslovakia and above all East Coast Americans who gave Adams' crowd funds, weapons and semtex #7 Remember the Claudia.
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MoiraMac,

11/04/2009 08:14:44
#10 However, be aware o'bearded ones.. we're the British, we'll kick your asses when required... God still seems to look after the white man ahead of the heathen masses.

Not a very politically correct statement however I would imagine more and more people feel like this. I can envisage reasonable people getting so fed-up with all the 'political correctness' that they join the BNP and ditch the other political parties who don't seem to be listening.
I just wonder how long it allow take to remove #10's comment?
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huggs,

11/04/2009 08:26:58
10's Comments should hopefully remain
15 I think you are bang on regarding BNP if they would curb some of there ideas they would surely receive a massive upturn in votes
Other parties should take note they do have some good points
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Marian,

11/04/2009 08:33:59
See how hypocritical New Labour are with their UK open border policy http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/94507/Judge-s-fury-as-he-bumps-into-foreign-crooks-he-s-ordered-to-be-deported
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

11/04/2009 09:20:38
Only a turnip would vote British Nazi Party.
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common sense voice,

11/04/2009 09:23:53
and since I'm on my soap box..

I have lived and worked in several countries. Generally I keep my head down and get on with my own life, I do not try to set up my own Church, criticise their political system nor mock their history (however don't we openly invite this from our foreigners and indeed aren't some of our people their best allies at achieving their aims?).

In my experience, no one knows about GB these days and don't care either. Bush's little dog is probably most foreigners first thought. The Germans are probably the only country which gives us any respect, ironic eh! Most other people are just getting on with their own stuff and don't care too much for world history older than a few years.
HOWEVER... we still have a lot of people who live in the past.. imperial power, rule the world stuff... our consulates and their "types" are probably the worst examples of this thinking. Regardless of politics we have those who still believe that GB is an important power (Brown, Blair, public school types, civil servants, many of those older than 70 who grew up in a different time).

One major downside is that these people think it is important what other countries think about us! Look at Oz, they treat refugee's/immigrants correctly.. are they ostricized in any way? No! many indeed praise their methods.. it don't matter what othes think when it's your laws..

time to wake up folks and time to get represented by people with a brain... not just the sanctimonious and money grabbing bunch we have.


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Aesop,

Edinburgh 11/04/2009 09:23:58
This story comes to you direct from The Ministry Of Fear (Begging Bowl Department)
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Media at One,

11/04/2009 09:24:47
Al-Qaeda - who are they?
I have no doubt that the world is a much more dangerous place because the west has had to expand into other areas of the world thus opening a can of worms we can never close. But who is this Al-Qaeda?
Where is their base, who is their leader, when will we ever see a muslim person on film claiming to be from Al-Qaeda? Does Al-Qaeda actually exist or is it just a name that is used to give a faceless enemy a face? Who coined the phrase Al-Qaeda?
Are we being told the truth by our governments?
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donnelly,

dundee 11/04/2009 10:12:23
one thing I find strangely confusing in all this recent puff here is why Smutty Smith is not using this to pormote how great here ID Cards have been in identifying these foul perpetrators !!! ..I would have thought they would have been singing thier praises by now in averting this ..quote Crash " ...errmm Very Big" disaster ..apart from the reality check being ..their only crime at present and creating all the homophobia was ..er, taking pictures ? ....beware Edinburgh Fesitival Visitors ??
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Glasgow 11/04/2009 10:13:56
If Al Quida want to blow up shopping centres or nightclubs, then they will. They only need to get lucky once. The security services would need to get lucky all the time to stop them. Barring entry to Pakistani students or turning the UK into a fortress with further suspension of civil liberties will not prevent a determined terrorist. But of course it is useful for politicians to have an ''enemy within'', as well as being a convenient excuse to stick their noses in to everybody's business, they can also wheel them out from time to time to distract attention from issues they don't want people to discuss.
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bobwmac,

New Mexico/Stirlingshire 11/04/2009 10:22:47
Mohammed Shafiq said: “Most visitors are peaceful people who abhor terrorism and we should not tarnish all Pakistanis or Muslims because of the actions of a small minority.”

"Small minority"? How does he know? Rabid dogs do not always display the classic symptoms of their disease and we take great care to keep them out. These individuals are very dangerous dogs indeed, why do we take the risk? If you have a pack of dogs and you don't know which ones are rabid, you keep them all out.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 11/04/2009 10:31:18
#8 Greenhill. I suggest you look at the history of the English language as spoken and written in the UK. It will reveal to you that multiculturalism began in Britain at least a millenium before Blair and Livingstone!
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The Ayrshire Bard,

11/04/2009 10:37:10
It's not only the terrorist threat that should concern us. a large percentage of knife crimes are committed by coloured youths who are uneducated and unemployable and who really should not be in this country.
Border controls are inefficient. A few weeks ago a lorry from Turkey ended up at Gibraltar Point in East Anglia when it should have been Gibraltar. This might have been funny but it proved that nobody inspected his documents at any stage of his journey and he could have been carrying anything.
330,000 foreign students in the country already, that's not far from the population of Edinburgh, and nobody really knows what they're doing here.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 11/04/2009 10:38:18
#10 Said "God still seems to look after the white man ahead of the heathen masses." Is that why the Afghans stuffed the British in the past and are still doing it today? Is that why we ran away from Aden, Palestine, India, etc? Trouble is every idiot who believes in God thinks God is on their side, be they Muslim or Christian - no, ESPECIALLY when they are Muslim or Christian. You'd have thought history shows them that, even if there is a God, he ain't on anyone's side!
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Nellie,

Liverpool 11/04/2009 10:41:54
#11 drunken proffit. Amen to that, pal! Y'spot on the button. Indeed, I'd go so far as suggest what goes around comes around and we're just getting payback from the Muslim fundamentalists for the Christian fundamentalists we sent over there a 100, or so, years ago!
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greenhill,

11/04/2009 10:48:29
The fact is we face a real threat from Islamist terrorists but it is not helpful to label those who identify themselves as "Muslims" as true believers in Islam or supporters of terrorism.That would make about as much sense as saying that those who identify themselves as Catholics agreed with or obeyed the teachings of Catholic clergy.

We do have an enemy within: Multiculturalists (mostly in the Labour Party). 30 years ago politically active "Muslims" would be more likely to describe themselves as "Asian" and would fight against racism in a broad alliance as well as challenging the influence of nutbag clerics.

However due to Labour anti-racism policies employed by local and national government, money, attention and power was channelled to specific fragments of society. The result is that conservative elements have gained more power in their communities. Labour has bolstered racism and division.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 11/04/2009 10:49:59
#14 Mallory Quite right. It's always irked me that the US government has made much of their fights against "The Communists" and now "the Terrorists", but they were always happy to turn a blind eye while thousands of US Americans stuffed $$s into the coffers of the Communist revolutionaries that used to reside in the IRA. And let's not forget they were very happy to covertly fund some of the terrorists now fighting us when the same people were fighting the Russians. AND as any ordinary Russian knows, the biggest safe haven for Chechen Muslim fundamentalist terrorists is .... London! Hypocrisy of the highest order.
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sam the god,

11/04/2009 10:54:29
#18 canker.

what is wrong with the BNP they cannot be any worse than what we have at the momment or what we have had in the past.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 11/04/2009 11:01:01
#27 "It's not only the terrorist threat that should concern us. a large percentage of knife crimes are committed by coloured youths who are uneducated and unemployable and who really should not be in this country."

You forgot to mention most of them were born here, too. Some of them (as in Liverpool and Newcastle) can even trace their family roots back 300 years of living in the UK. So, where do you propose to send THEM because Australia won't accept transported felons anymore...
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PeteAlaska,

naukati 11/04/2009 11:06:32
As I was growing up back in Scotland, I remember the stir that Enoch Powel got going in the media. Perhaps, his views were considered xenophobic but he certainly perceived the threat ostracized or not.
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Scimitar1,

11/04/2009 11:22:08
New Labour's immigration policy has been an utter disaster for this country, they have, ad are importing many of the intractible problems now confronting us.
Had they followed the careful, steady and rational immigration policy followed by the previous goverment we would not have had these problems today.

"Anjem Choudary, a former right-hand man to firebrand preacher Omar Bakri, said there was an influx of people from the Indian sub-continent to Britain, many of whom were angry about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan"

These people are not half as angry as the hard working citizens who were forced to accept the transformation of this country now beginning to resemble the 3rd worlder distopia the uninvited came from ,or the fact that the government inacted draconian laws to muffle public opinion on the matter, triggering a £1,000,000,000 a year PC/human right indusry, all of course at the expense of the taxpayer.

Mr Anjem Choudary and hs ilk should be thankful they have not yet confronted the very real anger that now exists among the coping-classes of this country.
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Tartan Viking,

11/04/2009 11:52:28
BNP are one thing but we want to be avoiding the UKIP Party, if their party political broadcast a couple of days ago is indicative of what they stand for.

This broadcast lasted at least ten minutes, and not ONCE did I hear the words 'United Kingdom'. I did, however, hear the word England about a dozen times. Not once did I hear Scotland. Not once did I hear Wales. Not once did I hear Northern Ireland. So, it appears in the eyes of UKIP (acronymn for United Kingdom Independence Party, isn't it?), the United Kingdom is,......well........England.

So as far as I'm concerned, this lot have nailed thier colours to mast and can go and sod off.
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Finlang,

Switzerland 11/04/2009 12:12:09
#36 Hotelguy,France

What's "Two faced in the extreme" about an unthreatening bona fide British passport holder with a decades-long clean record of travel in and out of the UK? At least study the content of somebody's post for a minute or two before blindly firing both barrels.
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Boab,

11/04/2009 12:23:55
#26 Media: 'Who coined the phrase Al-Qaeda?'

Good question. I love answering this one. I think it was coined by Bin Laden and it means 'the base'. Al Qaeda came out of the network of radical Islamists armed and trained by the CIA to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, but they were the first to specifically target US 'imperialism' and start attacking ships, embassies and western targets. They run training camps; organise funding through criminal activity; and provide funding, in turn, for high-profile operations like 9/11. An experienced operative probably carried out the Madrid and London bombings.

Hard to identify Al Qaeda members though, it's a fairly loose affiliation and they don't tend to give out badges, unlike the Dennis the Menace Fan Club! So, this headline is somewhat misleading!

Isn't the answer just to do more background checks on foreign students? Pakistan is a fairly poor country, so someone has to fund the trip to the UK.
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kpm,

unsworth 11/04/2009 12:30:17
Pity the days have gone, when a couple of salvos fired from a british gunboat would send these ragheads scurrying for cover.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 11/04/2009 13:32:03
I agree - the immigration policy has been a disaster and we have too many foreigners here taking all our jobs - after all, I always wanted to be a toilet cleaner or wipe the bums of geriatric oldies ...
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Nellie,

Liverpool 11/04/2009 13:42:18
#41 Wrong hugely wrong. All terrorists are Muslims? Where have you been for the last 20 years? Didn't you do history in school? When the UFV/UDA and the IRA were killing people they weren't doing it for Allah! Rememvber? They were Protestants and Roman Catholics? Not Muslims. (They blew up a few Muslims!) The Contra in Nicaragua weren't Muslims. The insurgency terrorist tactics in South Vietnam by the Viet Cong, they were not performed by Muslims. It wasn't thousands of Muslims who conducted terror-tactic bombing raids on German civilians during the closing months of WW2. Etc..
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Boab,

Glasgow 11/04/2009 13:55:07
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7994667.stm

'BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner said his understanding was that the alleged plot had been at the "aspirational, not operational" stage.

Meanwhile, critics of the UK's border controls have pointed to alleged deficiencies within the student visa system and the fact that 10 of the suspects had such visas.'

So, this was all probably down to some angry young men talking tough over the internet. Suddenly no 10 is preparing a statement; 100 police officers are piling into a branch of Home Base; and there are hysterical newspaper headlines everywhere you go.

Tighten up the student visas and Boab's your Uncle.
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tommy,

belfast uk 11/04/2009 13:59:54
Dear Nellie this is 2009 and magazine is correct--islam has been killing people for 1400 years--the dead number in the region of 270 million, and since 9/11 islam has carried out 13,032 terror attacks
Figures courtesy of http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Qiote..Professor Paul Wilkinson, a terrorism expert from St Andrews University, said banning students from Pakistan would be an own goal. He said potential al-Qaeda militants needed to be won over on a "hearts and minds" basis... Unquote -- This is the statement of an ignorant man or else taqiya--- does he not know apostasy is "frowned" upon
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Joe Macdelta.,

11/04/2009 14:37:19
Nicola Strugeon said there was a "strenght of feeling" in Scotland for the Palestinians and their AK-47 carrying leaders.

Not from me there isnt.
Any student here from the middle east, or the far east, should have a sponsor here in this country, if not, no addmittance, simple. If a student is found to be other than first thought, then the sponsor and his family should be also in the thick stuff, strip said sponsor and his family of all assets, and after a lengthy spell in jail, deportation.As for the terrorists, bring back hanging, and stuff the European court of human rights, what about our rights.
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Joe Macdelta.,

11/04/2009 14:42:39
as an add on to #46-Oh and by the way, after hanging them, stitch their carcases into a pig skin for burial instead of a coffin, that way they have no chance of entering paradise.
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Gordon S.,

Edinburgh 11/04/2009 15:45:07
A number of these posts mention 'a misleading' aspect to this article.. personally I agree. Anything that Labour can use as 'smoke and mirrors' to spin and deflect away from all their enormous mistakes and ofcourse the limelight of expenses row.. well hell they'll try anything..
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Freddie and Bruno,

Paisley 11/04/2009 16:55:41
Agree with Midgetmind there is a lot of racists commenting on this thread. Only someone very thick or an apologist for the UK and US governments thinks that it was anything other than these governments that carried out 911 and 7/7.

In the case of 911 these buildings wer turned to dust with a new high tech secret weapon - amazing how these "terrorists" managed to out-develop everyone else with this technology. See Dr Judy Wood video links at www.paisleyexpressions.blogspot.com for the proof of this.

As others have commented notice how quiet it has become on the MP's expenses fraud since this "terrorist" plot has been "exposed"!
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Nellie,

Liverpool 11/04/2009 16:58:34
#45 Tommy
Yes, this is 2009 and we still have a bunch of non-Islamic terrorists murdering people on your doorstep in N Ireland. Not rag heads but "Catholic" Irishmen.
I doubt there is any way by which a toll of 270 million by Islamic terrorists for the last 1400 years! Whatever it is, I dare say "Christians" have equalled that figure in the last 2000, not least during The Crusades, and you won't be able to prove or disprove that claim, either.
The fact is "terrorism" wasn't invented by Islam, not even by Islamists. Terrorism has been happening ever since Mankind was able to reason. Terrorism is a warfare strategy employed by ALL armies of the World - insurgents, "freedom fighters", legitimate armies and air forces, etc. It is employed in an attempt to destroy the enemy's will to fight, not to destroy them militarily. Just about every legitimate government of the World has used terrorist tactics before and many do still. Even in your own province, the British Army used terrorist tactics to terrorise the terrorists! We all did it, we all do it, regardless of religious heritage. Terrorism is just a form of warfare, that's NOT exclusive to Muslims but shared by probably by people from most other faiths of the World - certainly with Jews and Christians.
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Livingston 11/04/2009 17:07:07
32 - bnp = file under "mental health"
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Livingston 11/04/2009 17:09:13
41 - the Real IRA are Muslims ?
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Livingston 11/04/2009 17:12:10
48 - joe probably thinks those notorious Muslims the Birmingham Six were guilty.
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St.George,

11/04/2009 18:52:59
Simple solution,nuke the lot of them!
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11/04/2009 19:50:44
Let's all join the BNP and be 'racist' it will make a change for being taken for fools.
I'm fed-up with Political Correctness and Multi-Culturalism as I suspect many are but are too afraid to say incase they are called 'racist' Oooooh! that is so scary, imagine being called a 'racist'

Nellie! You do go on!
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Liverpool 11/04/2009 20:08:19
#60 Aye, I do go on ... under extreme provocation by people who are foolish enough to confuse morality and justice with political correctness! And by twits who forget this union of nations has been multicultural since its shores were invaded by Celts, Norsemen, Romans, Normans (and different nationalities from their empire) etc. England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland - they have never been a nation of one culture. It has always been made up of many cultures!
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11/04/2009 20:46:26
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Oh Nellie! I don’t care how long it’s been going on I’m still fed-up with it and I think it’s time to say ‘NO! no more thank you!’
I don’t know that much about history but I suspect all the invaders you mention fought their way into the country they weren’t invited in with open arms and given carte blanche to rape and pillage!
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MoiraMac,

11/04/2009 22:31:59
#63 Oh dear Midgetmind did I upset you is that why you are trying to insult me or are you just showing off!

Thanks for the link. Unlike you I don't usually read The News of the World. There's enough cr*p on these forums to keep me going.
Cheers!








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Nellie,

Liverpool 11/04/2009 23:51:04
#64MoiraMac
That's odd - for someone who thinks immigrants rape and pillage I'd have bet my shirt you'd be a News of the World reader... ;o)
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Nice try,

China, 12/04/2009 02:48:43
Reap what you sow, and you've been sowing terror for as long as history shows, payback's a bitch eh!

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belfast uk 12/04/2009 07:59:44
*53_Nellie your argument is obfuscation - the fact is that the islam is the GREATEST cause of misery and terror in the world today and I do recommend www.thereligionofpeace.com for facts and figures
I cannot think of any other religion that evangelises through terrorism on the instructions of their god and the example of their prophet, behaving exactly today, as it did 1400 years ago and the reason for this is that the koran is the literal word of their god, immutable and is to stand for all time.



No single entity has been responsible for the demise of so many people-- the Hindu holocaust committed by islam makes the jewish holocaust seem insignificant


For 400 years after the death of mohammed islam was spread by violence and their expansion into Christendom resulted in :- massacres of Christians, the defiling of Christian churches and holy places in the holy land, and the murders of innocent pilgrims It was only then as a result of this muslim agression that the Crusades began--
They were in fact a DEFENSIVE measure against this muslim agression
If it were not for Charles Martel the west would have been under the same yoke

*50 midget mind ...islam is not a race


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belfast uk 12/04/2009 08:23:18
*62 moira mac--an interesting article complete with links
http://digg.com/d1kGwa
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MoiraMac,

12/04/2009 09:07:36
Are Midgetmind and Nellie the same person?

#66 Stop thinking up clever put downs and try to read the posts properly.
I believe these invaders that you mentioned in your earlier posts did infact rape and pillage!

#69 Thanks for the link
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Poole 12/04/2009 13:10:26
The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US. Cook has previously written:

Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Cook is merely confirming what others have said. Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told the Senate that the war on terror is "a mythical historical narrative".
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12/04/2009 19:11:24
#48 midgetmind. Dont worry about me, I am allright, worry about yourself.
Anyone convicted of terrorist activity against this country, should be hanged, IRA or Islamist. What are you, a social worker, or a mullah.
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