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Climate on Venus may be glimpse of future for Earth



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Published Date: 29 November 2007
VENUS may once have been a pleasant place to live, scientists said yesterday.
Data from an orbiting European spacecraft show the planet is even more like a wayward twin of Earth than was previously realised.

Venus is the Earth's closest planetary neighbour. The two worlds are about the same size and occupy similar orbits,
although Venus is slightly closer to the Sun.

Billions of years ago, Venus would have had conditions very similar to those on Earth and may even have been habitable, scientists now believe.

But a runaway carbon dioxide greenhouse effect, atmospheric erosion by solar radiation, and a slower rotation rate sent Venus down a very different development path.

Today the planet is stripped of water, has a surface temperature hot enough to melt lead and is ravaged by hurricane-force winds and lightning storms.

The findings from the European Space Agency's Venus Express probe, which has been studying the planet for a year, offer a sobering view of how Earth might develop given catastrophic changes to its climate.

Professor Fred Taylor, of Oxford University's department of physics, one of the Venus Express mission leaders, said: "It is becoming clear why the climate on Venus is so different from the Earth when the planets themselves are otherwise quite similar.

"Our new data make it possible to construct a scenario in which Venus started out like the Earth, possibly with a habitable environment, billions of years ago."



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  • Last Updated: 28 November 2007 9:25 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Space science
 
1

Home_Sweet_Home,

Who Cares 29/11/2007 01:30:45

But Global Warming is a myth

The Republican Party says so

2

Master of Moons,

29/11/2007 01:37:27

No 1 take your blinders off why don't you?

3

syntax,

Edinburgh 29/11/2007 01:39:14

No, No, No..... Global warming is not a myth. Global warming is very real. It's the CAUSE that's a ruddy myth !

We have had ice ages and thaws (global warming) many, many times over millions of years. Man wasn't around to either cause the ice age or the subsequent thaw.

The political garbage we are listening to is just that 0 garbage !!! Just another excuse to tax us into poverty - and I'm getting sick of it.

4

Scullion,

Canada 29/11/2007 01:45:07

#3
Consume less=less tax paid=less global warming.
It's a simple equation that is free of conspiracy.

5

syntax,

Edinburgh 29/11/2007 02:05:10

Midlothian council only collect our rubbish every two weeks - so they effectively doubled our roof tax and the public didn't say a word ?

Remarkable. We get half the service we used to get but still pay the same.

Shows you how stupid the public really are.

I stopped recycling paper and glass. What am I paying the council for ? Now I load it all onto a trailer and take it to the dump.

6

sceptic,

29/11/2007 04:31:10

Yep, I can see earth looking like Venus in 120m years. I bet the Venusians regret not giving up their 4x4s.

7

Conan,

Moffat 29/11/2007 05:19:34

Seems like what we should be doing instead of arguing with each other is to see if it is possible to make Venus' atmophere something like what we could use .... it would be nice to have a spare planet to go to if this one gets more messed-up by the lefties.

It should be possible, after all, their argument is that human activity has the power .... I said HAS THE POWER, Ahmen .... to alter the Erath's atmosphere; therefore, surely we have the power to do something like that on Venus too?

I mean, lefties see 'Man' as being the ultimate force in the universe. Not bad for a mere accident of nature.

8

Sinnerman,

Another Planet 29/11/2007 07:48:00

Just look what happens when women are in charge of a planet!

9

Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 29/11/2007 07:54:32

So how does that explain Mars since it's further away from the sun? Does that mean as the sun gets hotter (?) Mars will become habitable?

Eh?

This is donkey c*ck science meant to scare, confuse and spread lies.

10

George.,

29/11/2007 08:45:24

Venus is sometimes characterized as Earth's 'twin' because of its close proximity in solar system location (~ 0.72 AU heliocentric distance compared to 1.0 AU) and its similar size (~ 6053 km radius compared to - 6371 km radius), but other close resemblances are few. Besides the more obvious atmospheric composition and pressure differences, and the related extreme temperatures at the surface described elsewhere in this volume, events in the history and evolution of the interior of Venus have left that planet with practically no intrinsic magnetic field. The consequences for the space environment and atmosphere are numerous, ranging from the presence of an 'induced' magnetotail in the wake, to an ionosphere and upper atmosphere that are constantly being scavenged by the passing solar wind.

http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/personnel/russell/papers/ven...

11

Boy Wonder,

29/11/2007 09:50:25

Theorists claim that our human ancestors fled Venus after the ice caps melted, global warming went unchecked and the ozone layer disappeared. The planet went into a literal meltdown and one experimental rocket made it off that world and came to Earth. They found the Earth like a paradise and killed off the native Neanderthals, whom they couldn't breed with, thereby becoming our ancestors today. This is what Theorists say. Concpiracy Theorists! :)))

12

Boy Wonder,

29/11/2007 09:51:10

*conspiracy!!! typo!!

13

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 29/11/2007 10:29:30

12. Boy Wonder

Yes, I was upset by the typo in #11 as well.

Otherwise, #11 is perfectly reasonable. Probably explains the B52 found on the Moon as well - no doubt that was one of the Venusian escape craft that didn't quite make it.

There, that's human evolution sorted out. Perhaps we could get Time Team to do a dig on Venus - bet they would find all sorts of stuff.

14

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 29/11/2007 10:43:52

What a load of bloody rubbish.

For a start, Venus has no moon and so it does not rotate in a stable manner like Earth. Having no gyroscopic couple, it's axis tumbles about almost randomly.

The most important thing that gives rise to a stable climate on Earth is the fact that the axis is kept reasonably constant due to the effect of the gyroscopic couple of the moon. This allows ice caps to form at the poles, giving stability to the climate.

Venus is not "slightly closer to the sun than earth" at all. It is 50 million Km closer to the sun than earth or roughly at 7/10 of the distance. This is very significant.

Even billions of years ago when the sun was smaller and cooler, Venus would have been in its infancy and would have been similar to earth at this time---a seething ball of molten rock.

What they are basically saying in this article is that if "global warming" goes unchecked then Earth may end up like Venus. That is absolute, complete and utter rubbish. For Earth to end up like Venus, it would have to move much closer to the sun (or the sun would have to expand or get hotter) and the moon would have to be lost. Any of these these things is totally beyond the control of man and always will be.

Why do people get away with coming out with rubbish like this? and more importantly, why is it being given a platform?

15

I'm no really here,

29/11/2007 11:49:00

#14 "(Venus) Having no gyroscopic couple, it's axis tumbles about almost randomly."

"The most important thing that gives rise to a stable climate on Earth is the fact that the axis is kept reasonably constant due to the effect of the gyroscopic couple of the moon. This allows ice caps to form at the poles, giving stability to the climate."

"Even billions of years ago when the sun was smaller and cooler"

Just where do you get your information from? Wikipedia??
You post is even more crap than the article.

16

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 29/11/2007 12:24:14

#14:

Yawn!

Read some physics books.

17

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 29/11/2007 12:24:44

Sorry, my last was directed at #15

18

Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 29/11/2007 13:12:27

Nice to see other people got here to say criticize the supposed similarity between Earth and Venus.

The key sentence here is "atmospheric erosion by solar radiation" - which is down to the lack of magnetic field. WQithout this the solar winds stripped all hydrogen, oxygen and water from the surface.

THis can't happen on earth as we have a magnetic core - we always protected from the extremes of the Suns outbursts.

And as mentioned we have a moon - which acts as a stabliser of sorts to the earth, allowing the formation of polar ice caps.

Clearly science is on the school curriculum these days.

19

Guga II,

Rockall 29/11/2007 13:17:59

Well, as Mars is warming up, probably due to uncontrolled use of 4x4's, we can all go there.

20

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 29/11/2007 14:03:25

#19:

Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger start up a nuclear reactor on Mars last time he was there? Maybe that has something to do with it?

...Well, I thought that seeing as people seem to be living in fantasy land these days, I'd give it a try...

Not convinced? Oh well. Think I'll go back into the bar, get Mr Fawlty to serve me a warm G&T and have a chat with the Major...

21

GP,

29/11/2007 14:16:30

14# 18#
Forget global warming and co2 crap.
However is it not fact that our magnetic field is weakening?
If the methane locked in the seabed gets out the temperature increase for the earth is reported to be unstppable.
Finally the moon is leaving us slowly but surely is it not?
All the above could lead to a Venusian end time.

22

GP,

29/11/2007 15:06:59

Forgot to mention global dimming which has also saved us from experiencing extreme increases in temp.
Global dimming is caused I believe by gases like co2 in the atmosphere.

23

George.,

29/11/2007 15:22:55

21. gp A geomagnetic reversal is a change in the orientation of Earth's magnetic field such that the positions of magnetic north and magnetic south become interchanged. These events, which are believed to last a few hundred to a few thousand years, often involve an extended decline in field strength followed by a rapid recovery after the new orientation has been established.

Through analysis of palaeomagnetic data, we now know that the field has reversed its orientation tens of thousands of times since its formation very early on in earth history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

24

PJ,

Edinburgh 29/11/2007 15:45:03

Ah that will be all those Venusians driving their 4x4’s, flying on holiday in planes and working in the factories!

#11 But then again they say, men are from Mars and women are from Venus!

25

pastor ray,

#20 29/11/2007 16:26:59

Last night on CNN the Depublican Rebate Mike Huckabee said if he was elected they were going to send Hillary to Mars! :o)

26

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Ontario 29/11/2007 17:16:37

Boy Wonder

Have you been concocting some VERY STRANGE BREWS in your basement laboratory?

Curious theory and could possibly be true - but I think not.

27

mike - across the pond,

pastor ray 29/11/2007 17:57:09

huckabee sends hillary to mars...

that will cause interplanetary war...

marvin the martian wont put up with that....

28

Celtic Cousin,

Wales 29/11/2007 18:34:36

Tragic that the Venusians didn't have an Al Gory type politician to save them!

29

Lloyd,

Music City, USA 29/11/2007 19:59:58

#21, GP:

Aye, the Moon is leaving Earth orbit, but quite gradually -- to the extent of around one inch per year. So it'll be a lifetime or two before it gets any smaller at night...

30

Douglas,

Bathgate 29/11/2007 22:56:12

Donald Trump has his eye on it. More hospitable than the north east. :o)

31

Petrol Head (again),

Edinburgh 29/11/2007 23:40:07

#21& #22:

The moon is leaving us---very slowly

The Earth's magnetic field is constantly changing and is believed to be slowly reversing. (as George says)

Not sure about the methane in the earth's oceans. Could be yet another ruse put about by the global warming brigade.

Global dimming is caused by airborne particulates. Actually this has significantly reduced in recent times due to legislation governing the amount of particulates that can be emitted.

Earth IS heading for oblivion, but it will be some time yet (read millions of years) and there is nothing that anyone can do about it unless they can find a way to control the sun, moon and the earth's magnetic field. Putting stupidly high levels of tax on petrol won't do it I'm afraid.

32

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33

Twist & Shout,

England 30/11/2007 02:15:05

#32 David A. Athey is Suck McCrunchie using the real name of another poster to harass him, Suck McCrunchie must have a pathetic life to keep trolling like this.

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