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Traders fight bid to ban tobacco display



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Published Date: 09 December 2007
THE Tobacco Alliance group of retailers will this week gather in Edinburgh to mobilise a campaign against Scottish Government proposals restricting the sale of cigarettes and cigars.
Shopkeepers will launch "Responsible Retailers" - an initiative aiming to encourage the responsible retail of age-restricted products such as tobacco, and promote the work independent retailers are already undertaking in reducing under-age sales.
The move comes just weeks after SNP politician Christine Grahame called for tobacco sellers to be forced to apply for licences like those given to premises which sell alcohol.

The MSP wants to cut the number of underage smokers through measures such as hiding cigarettes in shops. She hopes to put forward a private members' bill to bring the system into force.

Campaign coordinator Katherine Graham said the Responsible Retailers initiative demonstrated that Scottish shopkeepers worked hard to ensure children are not sold tobacco.

She said: "There is a significant illegal trade in tobacco products in Scotland which needs to be dealt with. Until then, tobacco will be readily available to the underage through tobacco smugglers and often at half the retail price.

"Knee jerk reactions and legislation that prevents a legal product being displayed does not solve the problem, people will just get their cigarettes from the boot of a car down the street.

"It often feels like small shops are being victimised but we want to work with the Government on this."

The campaign aims to endorse schemes such as CitizenCard, the UK's largest proof-of-age scheme, and urges retailers to adopt the "No ID No Sale" campaign in their shops.

But Maureen Moore, chief executive of anti-smoking group ASH Scotland, said: "Out-of-sight tobacco sales would stop tobacco companies promoting and marketing their brands at the point of sale to young people.

"The UK is a signatory to the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control which requires a comprehensive ban of all tobacco advertising, promotion and sponsorship. This has been done in print and media. It is now time to close the loophole of allowing tobacco advertising in shops."

Studies show that about 75% of 15-year-old regular smokers in Scotland and almost half of those aged 13 have been able to buy cigarettes over the counter. It is estimated that introducing a licensing scheme in Scotland would cost about £5m.

Moore added: "A positive system of licensing tobacco sales should be introduced in Scotland to act as an active deterrent as well as a [fixed] penalty for retailers who sell to those underage.A positive licensing scheme means a retailer could have their licence to sell tobacco suspended or revoked for repeated violation.

"This would prove to be a much more effective deterrent to the rogue traders who peddle cigarettes to our young. It would also be a lot cheaper and quicker than the current costly court system which led to only 17 court prosecutions between 2001 and 2007."



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  • Last Updated: 08 December 2007 2:11 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Smoking issues
 
1

Riverkidca,

Canada 09/12/2007 04:44:35

This (licencing) is only going to put more shopkeepers out of business and more black marketeers will benefit. Where's the intelegence in that?

By the way I thought ol' Mo was out of the picture.

2

Liberal,

England 09/12/2007 11:35:15

"It is now time to close the loophole allowing tobacco advertising in shops" - actually, tobacco advertising has not been allowed in shops (or indeed anywhere else - for several years now. There's a difference between displaying a product and promoting its use.
Tobacco is LEGAL - why can't shops display the range they have for sale, as they are able to do for alcohol, fast food and scratchcards? Hiding it out of sight will only make it more attractive to teenagers.

3

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 09/12/2007 14:09:13

#2, Kris, antwhere but here.
"jovial groups of smokers outside in full view of impressionable young people."
Are these the same groups usually depicted as social lepers, forced out into the cold and wet, and herded into sheds, like dogs or cattle, or are there two distinct lots of smokers outside pubs?
Or there again, does the somewhat fanciful description depend on the particular scenario the argument of the moment requires?

4

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 09/12/2007 21:15:34

#6, Kris, anywhere but here.
"well below that demanded for farmyard animals"
Farmyard animals don't usually get heavy duty umbrellas, comfy seating, t.v. plasma screens and heating, any more than non-smoking patrons had these facilities provided before smoking restrictions.
If the scenario is weather dependent, can we assume that "impressionable young people" will want to imitate the "jovial groups of smokers outside", but come inclement weather and the departure of those same jovial groups, will perhaps come to realise that this smoking lark isn't such a bright idea after all if it restricts your options, and keeps you out of the warm, beckoning hostelry?

5

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 09/12/2007 21:31:52

#7, stef, Edinburgh.
Wouldn't like in any way to disappoint stef by not attaining my usual standards.
Stef and co. must sadly miss having their targets of the so-called "Joke McConnell and Herr Kerr" as the target of their venom, and I believe will shortly be losing M/s Maureen Moore as a regular baffle board.
Don't the SNP and green coalition merit their same fond attention, as Scotland is apparently descending into such a hopeless mire of "destruction, hatred and division"?
The end is nigh! Gardyloo brothers!

6

whatsyourname,

10/12/2007 03:28:36

If they are going to ban tobbaco then they have to ban Chemtrailshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvioxJUL6C0 ask the goverment about this !

7

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 10/12/2007 06:55:13

#7, stef, Edinburgh.
"!00's of business's gone to the wall, 100's struggling to survive, 1000's of peoples livlihoods destroyed, promotion of hatred and division."
Smokers always make much of the fact that tobacco is a perfectly legal product. Indeed so, but a pretty narf one.
If thay could only rid themselves of their affliction, perhaps all that cash they've seen going up in smoke could be diverted to other areas, thus providing trade for hundreds of businesses, and safeguarding the liv(e)lihoods of thousands.
As a bonus, they could share the cleaner atmosphere with the rest of us, and come back in out of the cold.
Not too hard, surely?

8

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 10/12/2007 07:12:38

#11, Kris.
Kris has perhaps never read "Animal Farm", but non-smokers will, I'm sure, enjoy the new outside facilities if smokers choose to spurn them. He should perhaps visit town and village centres on weekend evenings if he wishes to see young men in little more than shirts hanging outside their trousers, or girls wearing just pelmets and a bit of fabric tied round their tops.
They seem to cope with the inclement weather, but perhaps they're lungs aren't yet shot from decades of smoking?
I shall continue to patronise warm, beckoning (and fug free ) hostelries, whether or not Kris chooses to do so, but he should always bear in mind the "use us or lose us" adage. He's more than welcome to come in out of the cold.

9

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 10/12/2007 08:30:08

#14, Kris.
From what Kris says, it would appear he didn't need pubs all that much anyway, preferring the ambience and warmth of his and friends' homes.
If he's so attracted by warmer climes, perhaps, like so many disaffected smoking Brits. he should consider a permanent move to one, thus having constant enjoyment of sunshine, cheap drink and cigarettes.
Additionally, his thumping carbon footprint would diminish, he'd save all the hassle of flying and hanging about airports, deprive Gordie of all that tax, and leave cosy fug free pubs for all those gloating, gloomy old non-smokers.
Bring it on, man!

10

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 10/12/2007 10:04:24

#16, Kris.
Perhaps so, but pubs still can and do.
True, the old "greener grass" situation.
Glad Kris has a low carbon footprint, and avoids the horrors of modern flying and airport congestion.
"Thousands of pounds of duty saved?" Must be a really big white van or galleon!
Kris's tetchiness apparently.

11

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 10/12/2007 10:25:39

#18, Bobfm, swindon .
El Señor Bob seems to have got out of bed the wrong side this a.m. Not my fault the Judicial Review collapsed. He may choose to discount warnings about global warming, but perhaps he should convince the polar bears.
Otherwise, perhaps he should concentrate on his U.K.I.P. and anti-Pubco agendas.

12

Jay,

England 10/12/2007 11:20:31

DFNM, the polar bear population has been increasing for the past 25 years.

13

DaveAAA,

Forfarshire 10/12/2007 13:27:03

David from New Mills: It goes to prove the point that you can fool many people all the time. In Roman times wine vines was grown as far north as York, Greenland was named because it was and the Norse actually grew corn there. There was a mini ice age between 1300 to about 1850. Also the paradox is that before industrialisation, the ice sheet reached as far as the Finchley road, 5 miles north of Trafalgar Square. They have also found lions, tigers, rhino bones etc, normally found in very warm climates at Trafalgar Square. So you cannot tell me the earth does not change it's temperature. Global warming is like the Second Hand Smoke myth, an invention of politicians to keep themsleves in jobs at our expense.

14

RufusT,

Planet Zog 10/12/2007 17:06:27

Got it!
The increase in the polar bear population must be due to the decrease in the number of smokers. With the bans all over the place now then the population should rise to the point where they can take over Canada.

I've seen the future, and it's big, white and furry.

15

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 10/12/2007 19:34:01

#20, Jay, England.
#23, RufusT, Planet Zog.
Would be interested to see some hard data re polar bear numbers, but often see reports about starving bear packs because their ice flows are breaking up. Also the old North West Passage has apparently re-opened to the benefit of polar cruises, if not the bears.
Any comments apart from glacier mint commercials?

16

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 10/12/2007 19:49:19

#21, DaveAAA, Forfarshire.
I agree that records show that global temperatures have changed over centuries, and that the Thames used to freeze over, sufficiently for roasting hogs, but can Dave confidently predict the arrival of the next Ice Age or real lions in Trafalgar Square?
He glibly compares forecasts of global temperature changes with warnings of the effect of SHS, but the two are not connected, much as he chooses to have us believe.

17

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 10/12/2007 20:25:07

#22, Kris.
Noticed no pub closures in Pleasantville post 1/7/07, on the contrary a number of refurbs./new and re-openings. A few of the old bar monkeys, however, are no longer propped on stools, puffing away to their hearts' content. What a loss for the rest of us!
Depends on your biased viewpont.
Jolly good.
Not particularly disputing Kris's maths, but as said before, to a non-smoker, savings are illusory, as spending on cigarettes is non-essential expenditure. Besides, where do his socks and shirts go?
"Bring what on? Man"

18

claire,

12/12/2007 12:27:19

Maureen Moore needs to see her GP urgently for HRT as she seems to have reached the 'change'. Maybe a virile man could be the answer. Whatever her problem she is very much like a terrier with a bone over the whole smoking issue. Ash got the law changed to suit themselves and I think it's time they just shut the f*** up.

Hi Dave from New Mills! Maybe it's time to think about something new to shout about. I've stopped shouting about the whole smoking issue and seeing as you are very much an antismoker maybe you should do the same. You're just a big softie really, I can tell by your occasional pleasant posts!

19

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 12/12/2007 19:14:48

#27, Claire 77 from Cumbria.
I decline to comment on Claire's diatribe against Maureen Moore, any more than I would on any lady's medical status on reaching a certain age.
Claire, like so many of her ilk, fails to appreciate that I'm simply a pro-restrictionist as regards smokers. As long as their effluent, or effluence if she prefers, doesn't reach my nostrils, I'm really quite indifferent to their personal death wish, and think myself quite an amicable person, particularly as I really don't shout that much.
Happy 50th to Claire when it comes.


 

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