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Published Date: 30 May 2009
JUSTICE secretary Kenny MacAskill personally signed the order allowing a convicted murderer to go on temporary leave before he absconded, it has emerged.
The revelation has heaped yet more pressure on the beleaguered minister as he fights to save his job.

He was forced to deny rumours he had already quit yesterday after it emerged he had decided not to attend today's Homecoming Scottish Cup final at Hampden.

It has also emerged that the absconder, John Brown, had already had his licence revoked once before because he had failed to meet his conditions by not turning up for appointments with the police.

The issue has blown up because of anger over another escape by a dangerous criminal, Brian Martin, a week before.

Mr MacAskill was forced to admit that Martin – known as the Hawk – who was serving time for armed robbery, should never have been put into an open prison.

To add to the justice secretary's woes, more questions have been asked about why he did not inform MSPs of Brown's escape, even though the issue of absconders was raised in First Minister's Questions on Thursday.

The Scottish Government said this was because it was up to Tayside Police to issue a statement on the escape.

However, both government officials and Tayside Police have admitted no discussion took place over what could be said, even though ministers were expecting the issue to be raised in the parliament.

Labour and the Tories called on Mr MacAskill to step down, with Labour starting a petition demanding he be sacked.

Labour justice spokesman Richard Baker said: "Mr MacAskill keeps on with his monologue about operational responsibility, but he personally signed off a murderer's release and yet takes no responsibility.

"He is guilty of gross political cowardice."

However, opposition parties have been criticised by the Prison Officers Association and Dr Andrew McLellan, the Chief Inspector of Prisons, for playing politics on the issue.

They warned that the row could undermine the use of open prisons.

Privately, Scottish Government insiders admit it has been "a very difficult time", fuelling speculation that the minister may go.

But a spokesman said: "There is no reason for him to go. Absconds have dropped dramatically under Kenny MacAskill to one-fifth the level they were under Labour and one-eighth under the Tories."

Salmond faces probe over failure to tell MSPs of hunt for convict

ALEX Salmond, the First Minister, looks set to be investigated following claims that he misled parliament.

Iain Gray, the Scottish Labour leader, has reported Mr Salmond to a special committee after he failed to tell MSPs on Thursday about an abscondence from Castle Huntly.

Mr Salmond answered questions on the recently recaptured absconder Brian Martin but, while praising his government's record, he failed to mention that convicted murderer John Burt Brown had escaped the night before.

Mr Gray said this means the First Minister broke the ministerial code by withholding information and misinforming parliament.

The referral was described as "cheap party-political point-scoring" by a Scottish Government source.

Former Presiding Officers Sir David Steel and George Reid will now consider the issue and decide whether they believe the code was breached.


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The Online Scot,

Scotland 29/05/2009 22:29:27
"JUSTICE secretary Kenny MacAskill personally signed the order allowing a convicted murderer to go on temporary leave before he absconded"

Your point is Mr Maddox?

An indication of the weakness of the Unionist case is the so called evidence they are citing.

Remember that MacAskill has improved matters by 80%, that's right, the Unionist media are trying to force the resignation of a justice secretary who has so outperformed the Labour predecessor that the campaign verges on disgrace.

Convention dictates that only the police decide when to make a non return of a prisoner public. Every prisoner on home release has had his release sanctioned.

Incidently, where are the calls for the resignation of Scottish Labour MP's involved in the expenses scandal?
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The Online Scot,

Scotland 29/05/2009 22:36:37
"The revelation has heaped yet more pressure on the beleaguered minister as he fights to save his job."

Garbage, pure and simple.

"...Labour starting a petition demanding he be sacked."

Labour have called for almost every SNP minister to resign since they lost the 2007 election. Their every squeal is followed by the usual headlines from the Scottish media.

Labour are an institutionally corrupt party who offer no vision. They have consistently tried to undermine the governance of Scotland since 2007.

Let's not have a petition, let's give the people a choice - let's have an election.

Labour have gone from a party that once had my support to a party that I now truly loathe, they disgust me.

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29/05/2009 22:37:38
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 00:16:40
The Holyrood opposition must call a vote of no confidence as soon as possible. Why are they delaying ?

;-)
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30/05/2009 00:26:30
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Tris,

30/05/2009 00:33:02
#2. Online Scot.

I'm with you. The only thing I would question is the 2007 date. I think even when they were in power they were doing their best to make the Edinburgh parliament seem like the parish council Tony Blair said it would be.
What Labour once stood for would have had my support but this bunch of second rate no hopers.

The rest I'm with you 100%. Let the people decide.

Let's have an election.
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Punta Prima,

BALERNO 30/05/2009 00:35:02
nice of the Hootsman to show Labour's leaflet otherwise no one would have seen it as they have no activists left to deliver them.
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Iainbroch,

30/05/2009 00:46:35
So there we have it - Maddox is subsidising Labour Party - you definitely have no pride left! Is it the policy of the Johnstone Press board to subsidise the Labour Party now?

Maddox are you Ian Gray in drag?

I think the time for an election is long overdew! Not a mention of 52 Labour Party fraudsters applying for knighthoods!
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Colin B,

Bearsden 30/05/2009 00:58:05
MacCaskill, who along with Hyslop will lose the SNP the next HOlyrood election, is paying the price of going native on the trappings of office-ie protecting useless civil servants and allowing them to do what they like- he is useless, soft on crime, seeks to create work for his colleague solicitors. He seems to think saying sorry eg to FOy's victim makes it all better.
Mike Ewart of the Scottish Prison Service shoudl also go - he and his colleagues mislead the public all the time, ignore judges's sentences, and he mislead Newsnight
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Colin B,

Bearsden 30/05/2009 01:02:47
Jim Wallace a QC and the Justice Minister who tried to say civil porceedings prevented a Holyrood debate under the sub judice rule. Mind you Labour had a useless art student who aided and abetted a criminal relative as Justice Minister ie CAthy Jamieson
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 30/05/2009 01:06:13
If you're looking for a high profile political scalp, Mr. Maddox, why are you not pursuing Gordon Brown for his negligence with regard to Northern Rock & HBOS.

It was reported to him, by the FSA, that what happen with both these enterprises was foreseen.

Why is there no comment on this appalling situation, in the columns of the Scotsman?

Why are there no questions to the PM? Especially as he has repeatedly said, "that no-one could have foreseen this financial crisis".

Surely a 3-4yrs warning is more than adequate. Or is it simply the case that Mr. Brown is not fit for government?
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Colin B,

Bearsden 30/05/2009 01:08:55
McConnell signed the release papers of a psycho who went on to murder- neither he, the psychologist or psychaitrists or SPS faced justice
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 30/05/2009 01:18:21
#10, Colin B.

Foye was sent to Castle Huntley on 1/6/2007, barely 2 weeks into the SNP administration, so it is highly unlikely that Kenny MacAskill was involved in the decision.

Subsequent to the Foye case, the Justice Secretary instituted new procedures with regard to the Open Prison Estate. These new procedures have succeeded in reducing absconding by 80%; this is progress in anyone language.

You may have other issues with Kenny MacAskill, as Justice Secretary, but absurd to use the OPE as a means of addressing those issues.

Do you, genuinely, wish to be associated with the stupidity that is Ian Gray et al?
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Huntly loon,

30/05/2009 01:30:13
I am sure all Justice Secretaries will have signed off prisoner's leave on the recommendations of those who are responsible for their custody. The Justice Secretary is responscible for the procedures in place. He cannot be held accountable for their day to day implementation.

These calls by Labour for the Justice Secretary's resignation at every opportunity will be seen in comparison to the numerous Labour MPs who should really be resigning for the many acts of fraud, but I dont hear Iain Gray calling for that.
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Iainbroch,

30/05/2009 01:31:43
re12

Maddox is after a knighthood!?
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Iainbroch,

30/05/2009 01:34:55
With Labour now behind UKIP in latest poll - no wonder the hysteria! Labour are now the third rated Tory Party in England! Har Har Har Har!
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FerryPort,

30/05/2009 01:36:41
Cynicus in Exile

was that the house martin by any chance?

doing bird, flew the coupe, birds of a feather, fly with 'em you'll., as straight as the crow.., one in the hand's worth..?, okay I'm annoying myself now, not another cheep from me for awhile.

Other than to share I spotted an Orange Tipped Butterfly cross our garden. Rare and beautiful.
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FerryPort,

30/05/2009 01:40:21
PS
and not too far from Castle Huntly
Great establishment my hasband says, he being an Old Borstolian
"Ye Old Borstolians are we"
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Fifi la Bonbon,

30/05/2009 01:44:18
Kenny MacAskill said in March 2006 of his predecessor, Cathy Jamieson - "The time has come for this Executive and the Minister in particular to take responsibility. Just as people are fed up with excuses from criminals they are sick and tired of excuses from the Executive and the Minister. As well as personal responsibility from individuals, it's time for some ministerial responsibility from this Executive."

Excellent detective work by Kezia Dugdale in unearthing this article from the Daily Express. http://tr.im/mR2d
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Iainbroch,

30/05/2009 01:45:50
re21

It cant be - you must be sniffing something that you should not be? I suppose I should go check it out!
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FerryPort,

30/05/2009 01:59:14
fifi #22

I'm not sure of your point?
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Fifi la Bonbon,

30/05/2009 02:04:01
#27 - my point? Simply that Mr McAskill was insistent on his predecessor resigning over alleged errors of judgement, and he's taking a rather different line how he's in the hot seat.

My point is that he's been caught out as a hypocrite.
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FerryPort,

30/05/2009 02:16:20
my name is ferryport, fifi

I don't always do a link posted here.

Hypocrite?

Take a glance at the figures on absconders hen.
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2Right,

On Location 30/05/2009 02:28:07
Kenny MacAskill refuses to meet one of his own SNP members to discuss Failings within SCCRC.

Bill Kidd asked for an independent Review and a meeting with MacAskill and was refused both without even looking at the evidence Bill Kidd was able to present to him.

He refuses point blank to even discuss any issues regarding SCCRC and their failings yet they are publicly funded.

An organisation out of control and answerable to absolutely no one.

Surely the buck stops with him as "No" justice Minister ? (Who after all appoints their members)

If he sanctioned the release then denied knowing then he should resign.

Time we had a justice minister not answerable to the Law Society.

He is useless and should resign
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30/05/2009 02:40:25
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FerryPort,

30/05/2009 02:43:34
who the heck r u 2right?

Mr McAskill is answerable to the people any day of the week

Decisions made are based on advice from the best, qualified and advisors at his disposal. Including very well paid civil servants.

Don't take your eye off the tally.
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W Smith,

Middle East 30/05/2009 03:40:09
It makes you wonder what kind of immigration controls we would have in an independent Scotland with Laurel and Hardy in charge.

MacAskill is a one man arguement for staying in the Union.

Salmond promised if MacAskill went he would go as well.

Good.

The pair of them can spend their retirement 'supporting' the Palestinians or going to anti-British rallies .. eh ... sorry .. I mean anti-war rallies.

You know .. like.. doing useful stuff.
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 30/05/2009 04:18:02
Kenny is doing a great job..what's all the fuss?

'Absconds have dropped dramatically under Kenny MacAskill to one-fifth the level they were under Labour and one-eighth under the Tories.'

Prisoners absconding from time to time from 'open' prisons comes as a surprise to who exactly?
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 06:38:55
Ministers make policy.

Professional civil servants execute policies and advise ministers at to what decisions to take.

If the civil servants give erroneous advice it is their responsiblity - that is why they are handsomely remunerated - otherwise why employ them.
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30/05/2009 06:46:19
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30/05/2009 07:00:48
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30/05/2009 07:06:13
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Linda,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 07:09:46
# 37 There was an excellent interview on BBC Radio Scotland last night with Prison Officer's Union official who said MacAskill was the first government minister to listen to and act on their concerns regarding prisoners. Also number of escapees from open prison has gone down from 79 under Labour / Lib Dems last year in charge to 16 last year.

Why is theree no mention of any of this in this article which seems straight from a Labour press release.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 30/05/2009 07:14:14
22/28 fifi la bon bon - Mr Macaskill's article you quote was in relation to (amongst other things) New Labour's decision to privatise elements of the transfer of prisoners by employing ''Reliance'' - well, we all remember the outcome.

Mr Macaskill's policies have resulted in fewer prisoners escaping, not more, so your comparison is not apt.

In short YOU are the hypocrite.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 30/05/2009 07:19:06
39 Phil Fairlie (the Prison Officers Association spokesman) also attacked the ''manufactured outrage'' of the opposition parties and stated that this was undermining the work of the Scottish Prison Service, and that this issue was being used as a political football.

The conduct of the opposition parties and the Scotsman in this matter is a disgrace, and one that is easily demonstrated as a disgrace.

A wean can see through this propganda rubbish.
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30/05/2009 07:25:58
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Don Roberto,

30/05/2009 07:28:13
As Justice Secretary, Cathy Jamieson did exactly the same thing numerous times as MacAskill did in this case. And on the watch of the Labour/Liberal Executive, over 30 prisoners absconded from the open estate whose temporary release has been ‘signed off’ by the then Justice Minister. The SNP have made the system five times more secure than it was under them, Labour should be ashamed of themselves for this blatant hypocrisy.
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James,

Dundee 30/05/2009 07:33:08
ps
How ironic that the 'Get out of jail free card'

Surely that is what the Scotsman is giving the SLAB
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Observer,,

Glasgow 30/05/2009 07:44:36
From the Daily Mail:

More than 130 killers are among 14,000 convicts who have escaped from low security jails. More than 100 convicts abscond from open prisons every month.......Around 150 of those who escaped from open prisons have never returned or been brought back to jail.....Roderick McDonald, a prisoner serving life for the murder of his wife. He was moved to Scotland's Castle Huntly open prison in *2005* and absconded soon afterwards after being refused parole. McDonald lived secretly in Blackpool for two years where he carried out a violent rape on another man. He then moved to London where he stabbed and strangled a Brazilian immigrant Junior Pariz in a hotel room. Harry Fletcher of the National Association of Probation Officers said ''I have been worried for 15 to 18 months that individuals are being transferred into open jails in England and Wales who pose a risk to the public.

The hypocrisy of New Labour and the Scotsman in their undemocratic campaign to force out the Justice Minister is staggering.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/05/2009 07:56:40
#40 Rules

Troll.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/05/2009 08:01:19
I strongly urge Alex Salmond to give Kenny his full backing. His record can be seen to be overwhelmingly better than the previous Exec's. The figure speak for themselves.

Disgusted to hear Ian Gray feigning outrage on yesterday's radio Scotland.
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Phil C,

30/05/2009 08:21:53
"MacAskill signs birthday card!"

The Scotsman never fail to amaze with their razor-sharp reporting of the big stories! Scotland must be a laughing stock to those outwith our shores who read the daily dose of petty stories, aimed at belittling our country and those who seek to return our birth rights.

The 'story' here is that Labour are showing themselves to be even dafter and more frivolous than before. #48- Gray was indeed a 24 carat tube!
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 08:29:09
So yesterday it was 'why should the Justice Minister have to come to Parliament to make a statement about the escape of every single prisoner?' Because it appears the Justice Minister micro-managed this one and, oh, by the way, seems to have forgotten to tell us he authorised the release personally. I take it all those who said that yesterday don't think government ministers aren't answerable to Parliament for them?

#45 James

Crims don't need a 'Get out of Jail Free' card under this government. Their chances of ever going to jail in the first place are lessening by the day.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/05/2009 08:31:12
This is getting tedious. Mr MacAskill will go, the only mystery now is whether he will jump or be pushed.
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Soosider,

Glasgow 30/05/2009 08:34:50
It is very revealing that this is taken as the main issue for the opposition parties in Holyrood. It is a minor issue, that a prisoner goes on the run from an Open Prison, it is not good but it is hardly news. Therefore why is it being given such coverage by opposition politicians and the media? Consider also that there are daily stories of breathtaking expenses claims by MPs, in fact some of our MSps have to be brought to task, Charlie Gordon claims more for travel and subsistence than MSPs from the Northern Isles.
Now put it into the context that on the issue of abscondees this Government has really got a handle on it and in a very short time has massively improved the situation as regards absconding.
This mock outrage by Ian Gray is a rerun of a tactic tried earlier in the year, where he accused Alex Salmond of misleading parliament, subsequently shown to be completely unfounded.
Now ask yourself why this is happening? and why now? I would suggest 3 reasons, firstly it diverts attention away from the bigger stories of sleaze and the economy, secondly there is an election in the offing so creating an illusion of incompetence by the SG helps build the illusion that the Unionist parties are really OK. Lastly it is just a continuing of the strongly anti SNP bias from almost every Scottish media outlet.
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30/05/2009 08:42:31
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Phil C,

30/05/2009 08:44:56
#51 Grahamskijump

I'll wager you £5 that he won't go in the next 3 months over prisoner awols? He's no reason to go over this.

Secretly I'd quite like to see him go because of his Labour-like pompous and self-righteous attitude. The way he wants to tackle alcohol abuse through increased tax and minimum pricing is wrong.
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Phil C,

30/05/2009 08:54:45
#55 Rab- Quite finished? Our 'government' is getting stronger by the day and our democracy is getting there. Once we can wean more of the people of Scotland off their Labour dependence we might just achieve a proper democracy where folk actually think about who and what they vote for.
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Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 08:55:47
#11, in fairness, Kauffy Jamieson DID graduate; a 'Third' in Fine Arts, if my sources are accurate. Surely ample qualifications to be a social worker in Errshire and then Justice Meenister under Wee Joke McConman (whatever happened to him?). And as #44 points out, Kenny McA's 'error of judgement' (in listening to his bleeding-heart 'advisors') pales into insignificance compared to the gaffes on either Kauffy's or the pathetic Jim Wallace's watch.
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Phil C,

30/05/2009 08:56:49
#54.......

#51 Grahamskijump - £5 wager??????
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30/05/2009 08:59:20
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 08:59:49
#63 cu ceallach

Leave Rab alone. He adds to the gaiety of the nation.
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Phil C,

30/05/2009 09:07:31
#65 Rab - "What has your post got to do with Klown MacArsekill?"

Nothing. It was reacting to your silly rant! ("A devalued klown in a devalued government in a devalued parliament in a devalued democracy.")


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Phil C,

30/05/2009 09:08:50
#70 Drac - "Leave Rab alone. He adds to the gaiety of the nation." He's quite a butch gay then!
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The Tin Man,

30/05/2009 09:15:15
'Can you answer the question, Mr MSP?'

'Oh no, sorry, I will have to refer your question to the business committee, if it doesn't suit me'.

Tedious party political plonkers.
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TWC,

exLabour 30/05/2009 09:20:40
71 Rab The Ranter

So everyone who seed s this as a non story is a Troll Rab, eh you are showing yourself up as a typical Labour lemon Sooker, That's right, in these days of the demise of Labour even a single escapee or walk out is seen as a victory.
Elmer Fudd has nothing else to tell us and big Brown is in a cupboard somewhere hiding from all the Sleazy decisions he cannot make.

Rab You are a TROLL TROLL TROLL and a Labour poodle to boot.

BTW I may well vote for the Nats but it is mainly because I want avoid becoming like folk like you.
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30/05/2009 09:22:32
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 30/05/2009 09:23:04
Thhis is a mperfect ooportunity for the SNP to show they are different from Labour or the Conservative party by sacking this incompetent clown.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/05/2009 09:30:47
Reading Ranting Rab's drivel it's easy to see why Scotland is moving towards independence!!

It won't be long before the Butcher's Apron is consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs.

Vote SNP, the ONLY party for ALL the people of Scotland!
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 30/05/2009 09:31:29
MacAskill's hypocrisy is glaringly obvious, as is the inability of the "cybernat army" to accept any criticism whatsoever.

In 2006, MacAskill called for then Justice Secretary Cathy Jamieson to be sacked, saying that "the time has come for this Executive and the Minister in particular to take responsibility".

Now, he says that this is an "operational matter", that his wonderful procedures weren't being "properly followed", that he doesn't "interfere", etc.

And now this. Yesterday he was trying to absolve himself of any and all blame, but today it emerges that he signed the papers personally! Unbelievable!

And this has also weakened the First Minister. Both Salmond and MacAskill boasted in the Parliament about their record - and in Salmond's case in quite unpleasant bullyboy tones - while all the time knowing that a killer was on the loose. Salmond also twisted the truth by claiming that Brian Martin had been "recaptured" when in fact he gave himself up.

It all adds to the growing impression that this SNP Executive is arrogant, has been taken in by its own spin and is incapable of accepting responsibility.
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McGinty,

Glasgow & Aberdeen 30/05/2009 09:31:36
I don't see how sacking Macaskill is going to help. The reality seems to be that there isn't much new money for new jails or police. To many onlookers, Macaskill is the man who goes on about drinking culture, louts, neds and underage drinkers while his predecessor went on about sectarianism, which may cause crimes elsewhere, but apart from trouble at football matches and orange walks, is more of a symptom of problems rather than a cause of them. In this sense, Macaskill is right because, without money, he can't employ more police or build more jails. So he's right to make noises about the causes of crime because there's not a lot else he can do. He's also a moralist who believes in punishment, unpopular in this day and age, but better than castigating the poor and unemployed which is what people like Blunkett, Tebbit and Reid are associated with. There's already a lot of funding for projects related to causes of crime so is he not right to say speak up when money's no doubt being spent ineffectually elsewhere. However I would have thought that new prisons have to be a priority, if we're going to keep locking up minor offenders, then there has to be room for the serious ones as well.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/05/2009 09:33:08
#90

It would be easy to keep the New Labour Sleaze MP's in jail.

Don't allow chauffuer driven cars within a mile of the jails.

Problem solved!!
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 30/05/2009 09:33:21
#95 Jimmy

"Moving towards independence"? How, exactly? With no referendum and only 21% support anyway (Populus/Times, May 2009)? Pull the other one!
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TWC,

exLabour 30/05/2009 09:33:34
92 Rab The Ranter
Rab you should go back to bed and start again. I am not pro Independence and I don't even like MacAskill but the Nats are infinitely better than Labour and especially Elmer Fudd and the front bench at Holyrood.

I heard him on Radio on friday and he said he handled Salmond well at FMQs???? What is he smoking ??? every week he get slaughtered and this attemt to discredit the Nats on stupid issues but claims that we are too busy to have a referendum on the constitution, this guy should be locked up.
15 Years ago he would have been selling the Daily Worker that's how thick he is.
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TWC,

exLabour 30/05/2009 09:38:18
101 AM2,

Who will you spin for when Labour are fourth in Scotland? The time is coming when Labour will be looked on the way the Liberals are now.

I struggle to understand why anyone can vote for a party which has no Scottish policies; and remember I used to be one.
What do they stand for? Where are they directing us? Why is Elmer Fudd leading them, or not as it happens?

Give me half a reason to vote for them.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/05/2009 09:40:21
AM2,

Thought you'd retired from these posts for the solitude of your unionist website??
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McGinty,

Glasgow & Aberdeen 30/05/2009 09:40:34
Anyway, are we not missing the point? Who's to blame here? It's this cossetted convicted scumbag who's committed his crime, committed another one by absconding and refuses to do his time. He's the criminal that needs punished.
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caithness,

30/05/2009 09:40:52
MacAskill should resign. With his nannying rubbish on alcohol sales meaning that the vast majority are meant to pay for the stupidity of a few, he shows himself stuck in a petty cooncillor mentality. As for Salmond, his bullying of anyone who disagrees with him is getting ridiculous. We don't all believe you walk on water, Eck, even if you and the more fanatic cybernats do.
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Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull 30/05/2009 09:41:36
Dear Scotsman newspaper. Why not start printing a summary of your Maddox stories online the day before and then read the comments. This will give you a far sharper perspective of the facts.

Thanks to all the guys who corrected this clearly biased piece of nonsense about an ex-regional Justice minister having a childish moan about a Scottish minister improving public safety. Here gun criminals can walk free. Iain Grey is as incompetent and powerless as the sacked Wendy Alexander. You can hear him on Radio Scotland's listen again firstly calling for a Scottish referendum on independence and then retracting it because (i quote) "This would be the worst possible time to hold it and I would never agree to any question asked by the Nationalists. Hopefully when Labour are skelped at the EU elections the media will dump all these unionist dinosaurs who write manure. The Scottish budget is to be cut in the face of tax increases yet this is the main story????
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 30/05/2009 09:48:25
#107 cu ceallach

Correction. The article was entitled "Why Cathy has to quit". He called for her to quit of her own accord, not to be sacked.

The rest of your post, and your vacuous spin in #109, are undeserving of a reply.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/05/2009 09:48:53
#106 caithness,

The majority already pay for the minority who can't handle alcohol.

Visit an A & E on a weekend a see the carnage.

Because the NHS is free it doesn't mean nobody pays for it!!!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/05/2009 09:50:05
I can see the red ink appearing very shortly!!!


I wonder why???
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McGinty,

Glasgow & Aberdeen 30/05/2009 09:55:13
#106 'With his nannying rubbish on alcohol sales meaning that the vast majority are meant to pay for the stupidity of a few.' Beg to differ, since Kirkintilloch was dry in the sixties, he's the first politician for generation to target a major source of Scottish antisocial behaviour.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 30/05/2009 09:57:17
#114 cu ceallach

The article was *not* entirely about such issues. For example, he accused Cathy Jamieson of shirking responsibility for air weapons, a reserved area!

My "arrogance"? Play the ball, man! Aren't you used to your attack-dog antics receiving a robust response?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/05/2009 09:59:10
#116 AM2

No, we're used to seeing our posts deleted!!!
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 10:03:06
OH NO - HE'S BACK.
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TWC,

exLabour 30/05/2009 10:03:27
106 caithness,

Salmond is brilliant though, so much better that old Elmer Fudd (7%)
That's how out of touch Labour are, they are shoting into the wind and getting stuffed on all fronts.
He certainly is favourite for my vote and I'm not a Nat and I'm not pro Independence.


This weird reporter must be for the bullet, heaven only knows how many readers he has lost.
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 30/05/2009 10:03:28
#117 Jimmy

Who's "we"? There's a simple solution. Just don't post anything racist, abusive or which otherwise breaks the Scotsman's forum rules.
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Darien,

Panama 30/05/2009 10:03:39
This witch-hunt against the Justic Sec is now getting tedious. It is no more than a distraction engineered by the three main British Nationalist parties. Previous Labour-FibDum governments let out hundreds of murderers early on sentences, and 'lost' hundreds of others who absconded. The issues most folks are concerned about today are what the MP's are claiming and the destruction of the UKofGB&NI economy.

I see the price of oil has doubled again since Dec 08. Independence, high oil price, and a trade surplus are the requirements for future Scottish prosperity. Continued membership of the oddly named 'nation' (sic) UKofGB&NI means only further impoverishment, trade imbalance, debt, high tax, disliked internationally, social collapse, moral decline (Leaders compass is bust) and sick man of Europe jokes for today's non-nation known as Scotland.

Easy choice for thinking Scots. Not so easy for feeble minded Scots lacking in backbone, who are still too daft to see that the Westminster umbilical chord has dried up.
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Ewan Randall,

30/05/2009 10:07:15
(#97) – (AM2) – What is it about this case in particular that you feel warrants the resignation of Kenny MacAskill the secretary for justice?

What is it about the secretary of justice’s signature in this case which you feel should be highlighted in regards to the disappearance of this particular prisoner?

Is it not true that this prisoner had been rightly designated for the facility he had been housed?

If it is the case that this prisoner had been rightly housed in this facility and he had been put forward for the kind of release he was on when he absconded, then what should have alerted the secretary of justice or his office to something being wrong?

If there wasn’t anything to indicate to the secretary of justice that there was anything wrong with this prisoner being released then what was wrong with the secretary of justice signing his papers for his release?

If it is the case that there was nothing wrong with the secretary of justice signing the papers then why would any of this actually weaken the First Minister’s position?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/05/2009 10:07:26
#120 AM2,

The 'we' is myself and the many others who get regularly deleted by a self appointed censor.

It's easier to delete than debate, isn't that right oh wise one???
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 30/05/2009 10:08:05
#118 gus

Don't worry; not for long. Any time I'm ever tempted to post here again I receive a very clear reminder of why I knocked it on the head.
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 10:11:34
Readers would take this more seriously if it were not for the two nondescript politicians leading attacks on MacAskill?

Prior to this, I would imagine nobody has ever heard of the Labour and Tory members of of the Justice Committee?

Previously, this pair had more than ample opportunity to force MacAskill to resign over the 'Hawk'(sic) affair and blew it!

Until the Scots Unionist parties get rid of 'student politicians' like Baker, and parochial toon cooncillors like Mr Magoo, voters will never take
them seriously!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/05/2009 10:16:38
#128 Colin R,

I heard the POA say that the Tories and New Labour Sleaze were just stirring things and that Kenny MacAskill was doing a very good job.

Did all these unions not support the old Labour Party at one time???
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 30/05/2009 10:20:32
#129 cu ceallach

That kind of post is a case in point.

Enjoy your bullyboy gang hut. I'm off to enjoy the day.
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TWC,

exLabour 30/05/2009 10:28:14
AM2 has run away
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Observer,,

Glasgow 30/05/2009 10:40:56
133 AM2 has committed the same error as a number of other unionists - that of supposing that there is a logical basis behind calling for Macaskill's rssignation over the abscond issue.

There isn't, and that can be very easily demonstrated. So what posters such as AM2, Grahamski, Rab the Ranter et al are effectively saying is that they think it is OK for the opposition parties and the media to undemocratically force a Minister out of his job by mis-representing the facts and being breath-takingly hypocritical.


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Observer,,

Glasgow 30/05/2009 10:47:35
136 - yes it is a classic mobbing. Like many instances, there is no rhyme or reason behind the selection of the victim. He is an SNP Minister tasked with a very difficult job, and that is good enough.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 10:55:17
#137 Observer

A sad comment from you, who are normally fairly rational. You know as well as I that the SNP politicians were/are as capable as anyone else of trying to inflict needless wounds on their political opponents.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 11:06:28
#139 Rules

Indeed. In the SNP's mind, the Party and the Nation are one. Criticism of the Party, or even a member of the Party is enough to get you taken to the village square and your head shaved as a collaborator!
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Mèths,

30/05/2009 11:07:04
Rulersbutnotrubbers

"Yet 85% 0f eligible Scots don't vote SNP."

Does that mean Yet 86% 0f eligible Scots don't vote Labour?

What % didn't vote Tory? LibDem?

Your use of 85% of eligible Scots is a pathetic throwback to the 40% rule where the dead were assumed to vote against devolution.
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Mèths,

30/05/2009 11:08:55
Draco

So far I've criticised about 5 SNP "decisions". In this instance it's simply opposition tantrums with no policies to promote, so they simply attack. POA appears to back MacAskill on this.
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 30/05/2009 11:12:03
129 Rules*

'Yet 85% 0f eligible Scots don't vote SNP'

Will certainly be an interesting argument when the conservatives are in power and ruling Scotland with 1 MP.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 11:14:42
#140 Meths

Fair enough, but to read so many of the SNP drones on here, you'd think MacAskill, Eck et al had never tried to score cheap political points or stoke an opportunity to take a ministerial scalp. Sensible folk know it's all part of the distasteful way politics is pursued in this country. I do laugh at the blindness and unquestioning obedience to the SNP of many on here.
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Mèths,

30/05/2009 11:17:31
"I do laugh at the blindness and unquestioning obedience to the SNP of many on here."

How about the blindness of likes of grahamski, Rufus (in all his guises), nikostratos, Ewan Randall et al?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 30/05/2009 11:18:22
138 Draco politics is a dirty game. Where it becomes dangerous is where the opposition parties act in unison with back up from the press to mis-represent the facts in a sustained campaign against a Minister.

Surely you can that ?
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Mèths,

30/05/2009 11:20:00
If geoff (fair-minded unionist) appears could someone remind him to go to:-

http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=40319&part=sports
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Don Roberto,

30/05/2009 11:25:38
Mr AM2's returns here remind me of a child with a scabby knee who knows that picking it hurts, but continues to do it...

Whilst you're lurking old bean, any thoughts on the proposed closure of the David Livingstone Centre?
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Mèths,

30/05/2009 11:33:48
Aberdeen P & J

"Embattled Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill received the backing of Scottish prison officers yesterday as he faced growing pressure to quit.

The Prison Officers Association (POA) Scotland criticised the “manufactured outrage” of opposition parties as they clamoured for Mr MacAskill’s resignation.

Vice-chairman Phil Fairlie defended the SNP government’s record on abscond rates, saying conditions for admission to Scotland’s two open prisons were “far more stringent” than under previous administrations."
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 11:38:10
#146 Meths

He hit me first! Lose the petted lip. Aye, there are more than enough Labour drones on here as well. That's the problem in politics, not enough willing to see the faults on their own side and acknowledge the good points on the other.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 11:43:06
#147 Observer

Aw diddums, and a petted lip from you also. Has the nasty press got it in for the SNP? Like Labour and the SNP didn't revel in the bad press the last Tory government got. Have you been attending an SNP indoctrination camp? The SNP are as capable of fighting dirty as anyone else.
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Ewan Randall,

30/05/2009 11:56:23
(#135) – (Observer) – In your opinion what do you believe to constitute democracy, the rightness of the subject matter or the number prepared to vote to push their views through?
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Mèths,

30/05/2009 11:57:17
Draco

Petted lip? I really couldn't give a twopenny damn what other posters say. It's not as if anyone really cares about moronic drivel-spouting. There are faults on all sides.

(Lip now tucked back in - and it really suits me)
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Observer,,

Glasgow 30/05/2009 11:57:22
152This is a newspaper website Draco and I am commenting on the article published - Maddox has written an article on this subject every day this week. This newspaper is printing opposition friendly articles to support their campaign to force Macaskill from his job. I and others are entitled to point that out. That did not happen under the previous administration.

BTW the vast majority of the media is Tory friendly. The last Tory govt got a relatively free ride.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 30/05/2009 12:09:57
AM2, Draco, ER.

The campaign against Kenny MacAskill is absurd, and you all know it; it is the politics of the gutter, based on misinformation, smear and spleen.

If, however, you believe that the pursuit of the Justice Secretary is warranted, will you respond to the comments below (reported on Sky News, last Night).

If you're looking for a high profile political scalp, Mr. Maddox, why are you not pursuing Gordon Brown for his negligence with regard to Northern Rock & HBOS.

It was reported to him, by the FSA, that what happen with both these enterprises was foreseen.

Why is there no comment on this appalling situation, in the columns of the Scotsman?

Why are there no questions to the PM? Especially as he has repeatedly said, "that no-one could have foreseen this financial crisis".

Surely a 3-4yrs warning is more than adequate. Or is it simply the case that Mr. Brown is not fit for government?
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Ewan Randall,

30/05/2009 12:10:29
(#146) – (Mèths) – What blindness are you talking about in regards to me?

Can you prove what you believe to be so?
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Ewan Randall,

30/05/2009 12:16:54
(#156) – (frank mcbride) – Are there any specific reasons you have included me in your list at the top of your post?
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 30/05/2009 12:17:00
Prison service are fully behind MacAskill and the figures for absconding are so what is all the fuss?

Anyone remember 'Reliance' and Cathy Jamieson?

'Earlier this month Tom Riall, managing director for Reliance, told MSPs the company may have been responsible for six of 17 mistaken releases or escapes'
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Fifi la Bonbon,

30/05/2009 12:22:45
#38 - "I really do think it's about time that Mr Mcaskill saw a lawyer to pursue action against Maddox and the Scotsman for defamation of character. The Scotsman are quite deliberately giving the impression that Mr Macaskill is playing fast and loose with the safety of the public. That is a lie."

Nationalist party supporters are now calling for the state to use the law to silence and punish reporters who are unpatrotic enough to criticise government ministers. We really are entering a new phase, aren't we?
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Mèths,

30/05/2009 12:26:09
Fluffy de boing boing

Havers.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 30/05/2009 12:41:16
#158, ER.

Yes.

You seem to see yourself as the arbitrer of philosophical debate, on these threads.

Also, I'm interested in your take on this as, on the few occasions when you make comment, rather than ask questions, you can be quite insightful.

It would be interesting to compare and contrast your comments with those of AM2 & Draco - you will notice that I have ommitted the likes of Rumpus and his, many, alter egos.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

30/05/2009 12:46:06
#161 - I see what you did there - you took my username and made it sound funny, thus devastatingly undermining the gravamen of the point I was making.

Why is the nationalist party so touchy about people criticising the justice minister when murderers and torturers walk out of prisons?

Why the personal abuse against those who dare to say he ought to consider resigning, especially once it's pointed out he said the same thing about his predecesor?

And why are nationalist supporters openly caling for the state to use the law to silence a reporter for reporting and criticising government ministers?

If you don't like what a reporter is saying, set up your own paper in competition. With all the support you think you have from the oppressed masses whose patriotic fervour is being suppressed by the media it's bound to sell like hotcakes. Well at least to the 21 per cent who actally support separatism.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 30/05/2009 12:47:29
#160, Fifi.

Abrasive politicking is one thing; defamation is another.

Defamation is against the law.
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Mèths,

30/05/2009 12:56:06
"Why is the nationalist party so touchy about people criticising the justice minister when murderers and torturers walk out of prisons?"

Erm wrong Fluffy. He was on release.
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Mèths,

30/05/2009 13:00:05
Colin R

"MacCaskill is useless- he took ages to set up the McKie enquiry"

Eh?

"Ministers in the previous administration refused to hold a judicial inquiry, opting instead for a parliamentary inquiry."

Scotsman
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 30/05/2009 13:01:22
#163, Fifi

Why do you persist with your unfounded assertions, against the SNP, with regard to Cathy Jamieson when the misinformation, in your comment, has been pointed out?

Why do you support the tactic of defamation as a legitimate political tool?

Your contention that Kenny MacAskill should resign, or be sacked is based on what premises?

An 80% reduction in abscondees from the Open Prison Estate?

Lowest crime rate during the life of the Holyrood Parliament?

Highest number of police officers ever?

Would you, also care to make comment on my #156 which, strangely, does not feature in any political commentary in this "newspaper"?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 30/05/2009 13:03:45
160 You are very good at making things up as you go along aren't you Fifi ? It's a shame that I didn't actually say anything about the state silencing journalists. I just pointed out that David Maddox has defamed the Justice Secretary. He's done it every day this week. You are also misrepresenting the facts, any relation ?
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Mèths,

30/05/2009 13:04:47
Colin R

This all started in 1997 no?
And you blame Macaskill in 2009 yes?
Have you read the timeline about this? Probably not.

Madness.
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Media at One,

30/05/2009 13:08:37
This has little to do with unionists and nationals and political point scoring - A convicted murderer was set free and those responsible must now pay the price for their lack of responsibility -
Political Correctness has gone mad and it is time that we all began systematically scrapping it.
Mac As Kill must go.
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Mèths,

30/05/2009 13:10:02
Colin R

Shirley McKie and her family dropped their campaign for a public inquiry in 2006. Remember 2006? When Labour & Libdems were in Holyrood?

I repeat - madness - sheer madness on your part. A family campaigns for 10 years - drop the demand in 2006 and it's Macaskill's fault?

Pathetic.
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Mèths,

30/05/2009 13:10:48
"Mac As Kill must go."

Very good. I prefer Maca Skill.
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Media at One,

30/05/2009 13:28:26
Quisling or Goggsy #175

Prisoners who escape do so under the guard of the prisons board. An escape is unfortunate and it should not happen,but prisoners can be quite ingenius when it comes to such things.
But when it comes to a prisoner who has not escaped and Mac As Kill releases him, that is quite another story and he needs to go. There can be no arguing, no explaining, HE MUST GO and I am sure he will.
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Russell M,

Stirling 30/05/2009 13:33:07
As Thomas Paine recognised, the fundamental order that defines any society—indeed, the order without which we would call a group of people a mob rather than a society—originated not with top-down legislatures but from bottom-up custom, contract, and common-law processes. If Mr MacAskill did not have sufficient knowledge of Messrs Brown and Martin to make informed decisions as to their management then the system is broken as well. Knowing who Brown and Martin are is crucial to their effective management. There is no room in the current top-down system to know individuals, except for those at the very top. Why do we need to know our "public servant's" names except during election time?

Thanks in part to the media, any government minister we know by name is probably not fit for purpose. What Scotland needs is a new government, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. A government of the people, by the people, for the people and served by a bureaucracy that believes in the people. For too long our leaders have sown mistrust of each other, added and abetted by the mainstream media, as a way of insuring the power of government remains in the hands of a select few.
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 30/05/2009 13:47:57
176 Media*

You better read tha Prison Service's comments on the matter. They are 100% behind MacAskill it would seem.

No disrespect but your opnion of of little weight and is principally formed by the journalism of Davod Maddox!

The prison service are have given MacAskill their backing and noted the slightly hysteric campaign against him.

So whose comments do you think have more weight...David 'madnuts' Maddox and you or the whole of a professional prison service and the statistics?

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Iainbroch,

30/05/2009 13:49:41
Macaskill must go Jimmy Calderwood is still on run, Hibees fear he will turn up at Easter Road! Jambos hope he does!
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Media at One,

30/05/2009 13:51:48
Nevsky

It makes no difference what the prison services say - A murderer was allowed out and that is the bottom line.
I dont care who said what, I dont care for reasoning and I dont want any attempts at justification - A murderer was freed and now Mac As Kill must go, end of story!
Allowing him to keep his job sets a dangerous precedent.
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The Tin Man,

30/05/2009 13:55:49
If McAskill can get away with a nutter walking out of an open prison and raping a 16-year old, he'll get away with the murderer, and the armed robber walking out of the same place a year later, same as the last bunch of polit's got away with nutter wandering out of open prisons, when it was their watch.
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Stan Butler,

30/05/2009 13:56:00


When Fat N'Eck Salmond finally gets rid of Mackaskill all the cyber gnats who are currently defending Mackaskill will agree that it was the right thing to do.



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The Tin Man,

30/05/2009 13:57:34
As for polit's lying, and 'being economical with the truth', do we really expect anything different? At least MSP's don't bother claiming the 'honourable' title.
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Mèths,

30/05/2009 13:58:35
"A murderer was allowed out and that is the bottom line."

Prisoners nearing the end of their sentence are allowed out. What really is your point? Would you have them locked up for life?
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Mèths,

30/05/2009 14:02:54
And as more BNP supporters arrive, I'll take my leave. Enjoy your fun.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

30/05/2009 14:07:44
Observer and others, when you suggest that a government minister use the courts to restrain a reporter from reporting criticisms of the minister and the government he is part of, you are calling for the state to use the law to silence reporting.

The paper isn't criticising the man, it is criticising the government minister. You want the minister to try to silence the reporter using the courts.

That's what happens in Fiji. You want to see unpatriotic reporters get the same treatment here.
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Iainbroch,

30/05/2009 14:19:57
Macaskill must go! How is that Butman, Media, Doc Death, Rufus and Creature from Swamp are still on loose! Shocking! I think it is an utter disgrace that he let them out! He must go! Close all open prisons now!
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Media at One,

30/05/2009 14:22:09
Cu Calaach

So what is your suggestion - should we leave Mac As Kill to make another mistake.
So let's say he keeps his job and in 2 years time he signs another document and allows the release of a convicted rapist who has served 10 years. And what if that rapist visits your wife or your daughter or your mother one night? Are you going to stand up and demand that Mac As Kill be supported?
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dee-lite,

30/05/2009 14:25:56
'However, opposition parties have been criticised by the Prison Officers Association and Dr Andrew McLellan, the Chief Inspector of Prisons, for playing politics on the issue.'

Um... correct me if I'm wrong here but I think that this is the real story. The unionists are once again putting party politics first, and not the need and wants of the Scottish people. Also, is this not the same murder who served his time but is actually wanted now for traffic violations?

Labour make me sick. They are out for blood and I am hoping that everyone sees through it.
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Media at One,

30/05/2009 14:33:17
dee-lite

Put your idiotic wretchedness aside and look at the facts. A murderer was allowed out and that is the bottom line.
When the next killer is allowed out and your mother, brother, sister, aunt or uncle is the victim will you still be whinging about anglo-saxon politics or grieving because some idiot didnt do their job and protect you and your family?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 30/05/2009 14:33:55
192 Rubbish.

David Maddox has written inaccurate articles every day this week boosting the opposition parties campaign against Mr Macaskill - an unjustified campaign as several people on here have proved.

He would have every right to challenge the Scotsman and it's appalling standard of politically motivated journalism.

A world where the media can print what they want and that is not open to challenge would be a very Orwellian one - perhaps you would feel at home but I wouldn't.
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dee-lite,

30/05/2009 14:43:05
Media at One,

Give me a minute while I put aside my idiotic wretchedness (what a level headed gentleman you seem to be), I am not hysterical about this man being on the loose. I do not fear for my life or that of my families. I do not live with hysteria, my God, how do you go ever go outside for fear of all the murderers on the loose and God knows what else?

With my little idiotic brain I can still conclude that this system is 5 times better than it was when Labour were in power. We are being fed a load of rubbish. You lap it up if you want to, I have no intention of doing so.

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Media at One,

30/05/2009 15:09:00
dee-lite

You are right, we dont live in fear, but if people like Mac As Kill are allowed to make these mistakes we soon will be living in fear.
This is about doing the job, he failed, he must go.
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dee-lite,

30/05/2009 15:18:45
Media at One,

I must respectfully disagree. MacAskill did do his job, and he did it better than any other minister has done it previously. It will be a wonderful when the record of absconders becomes nil, but we're not there yet... but we're closer than we have ever been before, and I have to thank the man responsible for that. Guess who that is?
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dee-lite,

30/05/2009 15:20:44
cu ceallach

I think I like you.
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Media at One,

30/05/2009 15:21:04
Cu Ceallach

I am partial to the odd cup of tea, it is my British heritage that spurns me on to indulge in a leaf or two from time to time.
In terms of the issue at hand, the man made a grave error and as a result he must leave office. There really is no point in trying to protect him, he must go and to be honest I believe he will.
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Don Roberto,

30/05/2009 15:32:24
Ahem, rather tellingly, the Herald as this as a single column in today's print edition. It's yer actual journalism without any emotive language a la Maddog.
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Ewan Randall,

30/05/2009 15:34:44
(#162) – (frank mcbride) – As a Scot, what makes you think that I believe that I am any better than anyone else?

Did you not know that I only write my posts in question form?

Are you trying to change what I do by flattering me?

Do you actually believe that flattery would have any effect on me on these posts?

As for this thread, haven’t you read my posts?

Is it not the case that the dripping of water can eventually create a hole through solid rock?

Do events have to be rock solid to cause Kenny MacAskill eventual damage?
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Scottor,

Fife 30/05/2009 15:35:10
'Media at One'

Are you a Labour spokesman or what? I have to agree with most of the people on the forum and 'Dee-Lite', The escaped murderer in question had served his time, for you 'Media at One', I'll make it simple, he had done his time for his crime, the relevant authorities made their decision that he was no longer a danger to society and could be released. He was then arrested for traffic violations, then done a 'runner'.

However I do understand that the unionist parties wouldn't look as credible if they hounded Mr. MacAskill for his resignation for an escaped traffic violator, Please help us lord as my Mother, Sister, or Daughter may be run over by this crazed motorist? Then again there are plenty worse drivers out-there who are not convicted murderers.

I'm not trying to play down that this man took another life, my point is that Labour is muddling the waters to make this situation sound far worse than it is. Playing dangerouse polotics, trying to rid us of a man who apears to be doing great things for the safety of the Scottish public.

I can't wait for another election to see Ian Grey and his party get a slap were it hurts.

Does anyone else think Ian Grey looks like 'Quagmire' from family guy?

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/its-quagmire-quagmire-family-guy/125246166
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Media at One,

30/05/2009 15:39:20
Scottor

Please do not insult me with such slander. I would not vote Labour with a gun against my head. I would not vote Conservative with a gun against my head and I would sooner walk on hot coals than vote for the shoddy and inexperienced SNP -
Mac As Kill like Salmond is out of his depth. Why not show him the door and get someone who can do the job properly? The same goes for Salmond.
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Don Roberto,

30/05/2009 15:47:20
#210 "the man made a grave error and as a result he must leave office"

Which error did he commit old fruit?
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Scottor,

30/05/2009 15:56:04
Media At One,

May I be so bold (I'll try not and hurt your feelings this time) to ask if your a Libdem man? If that is true then you will be more than aware of the figures stated several times in this forum, the Libdem/Labour coalition was five time worse when they were in power. Simple maths, the 5 times table is covered in primary school.

A simple get MacAskill and Salmond out based on wrong information is completely ludicrous. You mention that they are out of their depth, I remember when Jack the Labour first minister was around, a School Teacher trying to run the country, when now we have the former chief economist doing what is right for the scottish people.

Come on, you have to agree that the Scottish People are far better off with a party who wants the best for its own people, look how Nicola Sturgeon has led with the Pig Flue outbreak, look at the Scottish Labour Westminster lapdogs with their ID cards that we have to pay for, Illegal wars that the Scottish people were against, stopping our democratic right to independence in the 70's and lets not forget about our oil. Thanks Westminster for treating Scotland as a region and not with the respect that the Scottish people deserve.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 30/05/2009 16:00:47
#194, Media at one.

To which "convicted rapist" are you refering?

If, mistakenly, you are refering to Foye, perhaps you should be made aware of the situation in that case.

Foye was transfered to Castle Huntly on 1/6/2007, barely 2 weeks into the SNP administration so, Kenny MacAskill is highly unlikely to have had any input in the decision.
Also, since that case, the number of absconders from the Open Prison Estate has fallen by 80%.

But, heh-ho Media, why let the facts get in the way of a good smear?
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Ewan Randall,

30/05/2009 16:05:26
(#215) – (Quisling Gogs) – As the Scottish Parliament has only been going for a short number of years isn’t it a little early to use the phrase “the most successful justice minister the Scottish Parliament has ever had”?
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Scottor,

30/05/2009 16:07:35
-Quisling Gogs-,

Ha ha, an unrealistic party with good intentions but no hope of doing anything for the Scottish people, they would be the ones out of their depth.
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The Tin Man,

30/05/2009 16:10:20
#215 Quisling

Scotland now has 'successfully' attained the joint highest murder rate in western Europe along with Finland and Portugal. 'Success'?

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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 16:19:36
#215 Quisling

The Party is proud of you. The Winnie Ewing Memorial Award for Nauseating Sycophancy is in the post.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 16:22:42
#224 cu ceallach

That's OK then.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 16:26:49
#226 cu ceallach

You need to examine your comments to other people on here over the course of the day. Of course, chasing after cars, sitting down, accusations of arrogance and stupidity, that's all 'teasing' is it? The usual hypocrisy of the SNP zealot.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 16:31:47
#230 cu ceallach

You flatter yourself.
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caithness,

30/05/2009 16:34:45
Lock Kenny in a room with Annabelle. He'd soon find out who was the boss instead of hiding behind Eck. She'd sort him out.
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Don Roberto,

30/05/2009 16:36:33
#222 Tinman"Scotland now has 'successfully' attained the joint highest murder rate in western Europe along with Finland and Portugal. 'Success'?"

Just think we could be highest if it weren't for those pesky 1000 extra police officers and better abscondee record.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 30/05/2009 16:40:11
#233 cu ceallach

Not really. I come in for the banter and to mock where I can. With the odd exception, you're hardly likely to get an intelligent debate with the closed-mind Party disciples on here. You're clearly one of them.
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caithness,

30/05/2009 16:45:33
#234. OK bit tongue in cheek. I wouldn't want to be locked in a room with anyone, least of all Kenny or Annabelle! But I do think she'd be the best person to sort our problems out. Sad thing is because of her party label she'll never have a chance.
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caithness,

30/05/2009 16:59:47
# 240 I tend to agree actually. And they should think about an independent Scottish Conservative Party affiliated, if they choose, to the English one. That I believe would do their cause no harm at all.
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 30/05/2009 17:24:13
Go Kenny Go!! Yer a waste o' space.
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 30/05/2009 17:49:06
#247 - surely you are either joking, blinkered or smoking something?
First of all I am not a Labout supporter - I have NEVER voted for them on the basis that they are the great levellers (DOWNWARDS) - having said that, the SNP have only one objective and that is INDEPENDENCE for Scotland. They have delivered only the easy and crowd pleasing (but expensive) components of their manifesto and seem to beleive that stating/saying something somehow makes it true.
Wee Eck is a man with a massive ego and tongue to match BUT I really do not believe that he is acting in the best interests of Scots. Under the SNP:
o Educational standards have worsened
o The criminal justice system is in disarray
o No new schools have been started
o Council services are diabolical
o New housing starts have reduced
o Our infrastructure is collapsing
That's enough to go on fof now!! You get my drift!!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 30/05/2009 18:14:14
Geomac1 - you get the prize for best comedy post on the thread so far.

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Nellie,

Liverpool 30/05/2009 18:44:05
Oh, for goodness sake! Give the guy a break! MOST murderers are harmless because they generally committed their crimes in a drunken stupor - that's why open prisons are full of them. It's perfectly reasonable to let them have leave and they are no more likely to abscond than any other category prisoner in a low security prison, and less likely than the other kinds to repeat their crimes.
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Iainbroch,

30/05/2009 19:20:08
Macaskill must go. Brit Nationalists commit Grand Larceny in Glasgow in front of 50,000 witnesses and there has not been a single arrest. Macaskill must go and go now!
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Iainbroch,

30/05/2009 19:27:45
re256

I see someone has a sense of irony!

Anyone seen Grahamski?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 30/05/2009 19:34:11
257 Drowning his sorrows ? He's got plenty of 'em !
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

30/05/2009 20:19:50
#257 Iainbroch

He revealed himself to be a Falkirk Fan the other day, maybe he was at Hampden.

When the Rangers fans started singing "Rule Britania"...He probably joined in, only to be drowned out by a rousing chant of...F**K OFF to ENGLAND!

Perhaps he has already packed his bags.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

30/05/2009 20:26:52
#259 Rab The Ranter

True of false.

The level of prisoners absconding while on home release has reduced during McAskill's tenure as Justice Minister.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 30/05/2009 22:51:11
Grahamski gets a hard time on here. It's not actually deserved. He doesn't believe in New Labour any more than we do. But he's an old leftie (which I used to be ) who is repelled by nationalism (which I used to be) because he sees it as negative. I totally understand where he is coming from - and he isn't an enemy. The best way to counter Grahamski is with ration and reason.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/05/2009 22:54:31
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Observer,,

Glasgow 30/05/2009 22:55:02
263 Rab doesn't recognise reality. They're all scum and vermin according to him. Good get out clause that. No reason to think, act, or take responsibility.
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hoblar,

30/05/2009 23:18:08
It's a larf watching the dozens of posts from a few determined labour trolls who reckon that kenny Macaskill has something to answer for when the new labour sleaze, economy disaster and expences fiasco is simply fine.

If improving the number of escapees from open prisons is a crime, then MacAskill is guilty, because, as we all know, the numbers escaping when labour and the libdems ran the Scottish Parliament were astronomical, and there was enormous reoffending including murders, and resigning wasn't even considered for say, Labour's Cathy whatshername when she was Justice secretary.

Still, it is heartening to watch the anti Scottish unionists (all four of them), post dozens of times here, but fail to venture near all those articles that are telling us the truth about who in Government should be considering their position.....the dreaded Labourtories!
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FTH22inarow,

30/05/2009 23:25:05
I'm sure they'll find a reason to blame alcohol for this decision.
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hoblar,

30/05/2009 23:25:52
" I totally understand where he is coming from - and he isn't an enemy. The best way to counter Grahamski is with ration and reason."

My experience of people like him is that it is better to concentrate on those who have political opinions that aren't so stalwart like.

It is a waste of time trying to get somebody with such entrenched views on board when there are many thousands upon thousands of voters who are far more able to listen to reason and use their eyes and ears to decide what is what.

The guy, judging by his mostly unreasonable comments against the Scottish government (most of which like some of the other labour dodo-like observations I generally ignore), is the sort of person who will understand Independence only when it has happened without his permission, as he is likely to keep his head in the sand.

Why do you think that a hundred posts per day on choice articles, (by a few alleged fans of labour) avoid telling anybody what is good for Scotland remaining within the political union, and choose instead to talk mince about the SNP while pretending (new) labour's unprecedented political meltdown isn't actually happening?

It si beacause all the unionist parties are second rate and not worth mentioning, let alone worth boasting about.

And that is the truth.


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morris,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 00:15:29
Labour will not exist as a serious contender after Thursday.They wont exist at all very soon!

The New Labour activists who still exist (half left ages ago)will waken up to planet reality on Friday morning and start spinning Its a mid term blip and an over reaction to the expenses scandal. No its a party in terminal decline and a UK which is finished.
It will be alright on the Night should film the results from No 10 as McCavitys party disappears before his very eyes. Maybe you could invade North Korea Gordon! At least they have weapons of mass destruction and World War 3 should be sufficient distraction .Oh I forgot,you only invade countries which dont have any!
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Murray in Canada,

Salt Spring Island 31/05/2009 00:43:49
IainBroch 255 - what Grand Larceny? I assume you've got a joke in there somewhere.

 

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