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Published Date: 08 April 2009
LABOUR today accused the Scottish Government of trying to train police officers "on the cheap".
The Scottish Police Services Authority (SPSA) has said in a letter to party justice spokesman Richard Baker that there has been no extra funding for training.

Some courses have also been cut and constables, rather than sergeants, were being used t
o train recruits.

The Government said last month they would surpass their manifesto pledge to recruit 1,000 more police by 2011.

"These answers prove that training for police officers is being diminished by the SNP," Mr Baker said.

"Refresher courses for one-year qualified recruits have gone, we've got constables rather then higher ranks providing the training and all of this with no extra money for training from government.

"You don't need to be genius to work out that if you are putting more people through a course and the funding does not increase then the spend per recruit is being hit."

The information emerged after Mr Baker tabled a series of questions about the Scottish Police College to ministers – but was instead written to by the Scottish Police Services Authority.

"These young recruits deserve the best training and the police should be getting the money they need to ensure the very highest standards," Mr Baker added.

"No wonder ministers got the SPSA to answer these questions rather than answer themselves. They have admitted that they are trying to do police training on the cheap."

A Scottish Government spokesman said that "significant work" is being undertaken at the Scottish Police College in training record numbers of new police officers.

The SPSA had previously met the costs of the additional training through efficiencies made elsewhere in its operations, the spokesman said.

But he added: "We are planning to provide them with an additional £1.5 million in 2009/10 in recognition that this is not sustainable in the long-term.

"The Justice Secretary has visited Tulliallan and met new recruits who are passing out of the police college.

"These officers are now part of the record number of officers serving in our communities, tackling crime and reassuring our citizens."



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1

Jack Mcarup,

Alba 08/04/2009 11:06:43
I wonder if slab mouth piece Baker would tell us how many new police officers the dysfunctional lib/lab executive introduced in the eight years they were kow towing to their london bosses.
Answer NONE.
Labour hypocricy is unbelievable.
2

Tartan Viking,

08/04/2009 12:24:08
#1. And I wonder if Baker could tell us about the wonderful training the Met have under Lie-bour. Standards are really high it seems. The shooting of an innocent man in a tube station, the raiding of an MP's office without authiority and the knocking over and subseqent death of an innocent man at G20.
3

Ewan Randall,

08/04/2009 12:54:17
(#2) – (Tartan Viking) – Are the Scottish Police Services Authority lying with what they are saying?

Are you trying to make a connection between the Scottish police service and the Met because you think there is a connection between the Scottish police and the shooting of an innocent man in a tube station in London?

Are you trying to make a connection between the Scottish police service and the raiding of MPs offices at Westminster?

Are you trying to make a connection between the Scottish police service and the knocking down and subsequent death of an innocent man at the G20 demonstrations?

Do you believe the cuts the Scottish Police Services Authority are talking about are justifiable?
4

Tartan Viking,

08/04/2009 13:01:39
#3. No. Just having a rant.
5

Gregor Addison,

Münster, Germany 08/04/2009 13:18:05
Why no by line? Can you not put a by line to a Labour press release? Is it a legal thing?
6

Queen D,

Glasgow 08/04/2009 13:18:39
I just looked at the headline and thought , " Now who would write a headline like this?"
And do you know the name Maddox sprang into my tiny mind! Just like that!
7

Saruman,

08/04/2009 13:20:56
"A Scottish Government spokesman said that "significant work" is being undertaken at the Scottish Police College in training record numbers of new police officers."

"Significant work" is a useful phrase which the Nat spin doctors will no doubt adapt to describe what their administration has achieved to date in a wider context. If the college is still functioning (albeit at a reduced capacity) then that's singinificant, right enough!

While we're on the subject, it's surely "significant" that the unworkable poll tax 2 can be given a second chance if the Nats happen to be re-elected with a larger "mandate".
8

Hugh Roscombe,

08/04/2009 13:31:25
7

If you think LIT in any way resembles the discredited poll tax you're not very bright are you?
9

Saruman,

08/04/2009 13:42:43
#8 Roscombe: any local taxation system that's not property based necessarily resembles a poll tax more than anything else. Poll tax is just as controversial and unworkable in practice as its predecessor.

Like its predecessor, it will prove deeply unpopular amongst large swathes of society if it's ever introduced but, unlike the original poll tax, it will also attract vitriolic opposition from business interests (for the many companies are UK wide and this extra tax will affect pay negotiations with their Scottish employees and deter investment in Scotland).

All in all, it's what you'd expect from the party that gives house room to the equally derided SFT and, come to that, the most sacred of all sacreds to all Nats: the separation policy!
10

Saruman,

08/04/2009 13:44:45
Why am I wasting my breath here? Hasn't Swinney quietly binned poll tax 2 already?
11

Alex,

Ellon 08/04/2009 14:03:40
In the NE we have to put up with Baker's ,snide ,anti SNP outpourings in press,radio and TV on an almost daily basis.However, as much as I find him tiresome and irritating he is only doing his job as an opposition MSP .

At the end of the day Baker knows full well the SNP will deliver on Police officers and is only grasping at straws for some way to put the boot in and fill his otherwise empty day .
12

Brian the Barbarian.,

the slums 08/04/2009 15:01:13
When the chief constable of lothian and borders is able to spend £124,000.00 on a new LOGO then i am not moved by tales that these numpties need more money.

Cut out the triple time for working on a Sunday filling in forms and all will be well.
13

steve52,

Kinfauns 08/04/2009 17:05:52
Mr Baker should be very careful what he says. Some of his comments might just come back to bite him in the rear end he so often speaks out of.

His comments and attacks on the SNP for going soft on crime are hypocritical to say the very least. He has not been around long enough to know that many of the policies put forward by the SNP were in fact Labours.

Anyway, we dont have the money to spend so much better to get on the job training.

Just another rant at the SNP is all.
14

Dippy,

08/04/2009 20:01:27
This is the frightening reality.

http://www.survivemartiallaw.com/update_03_09_09.html
15

Tartan Viking,

08/04/2009 20:58:43
#14. Baggy.

If they are put to sleep, will their next of kin claim the cost on expenses ?? ;-)
16

Miss H,

09/04/2009 10:23:17
9 In point of fact an income tax resembles an income tax more than anything else.

We all know that Labour and the Tories do not believe that local taxation should be based on ability to pay but should be based on property values.

That’s a clear debate and the people will get to vote on it in 2011.

Bringing in irrelevant arguments about the poll tax smacks of a diversionary tactic. You wouldn’t be trying to avoid the real debate would you?
17

Questions,

Glasgow 09/04/2009 17:37:24
I have a friend who is a Police officer.

He tells me that trainee policemen and women get paired up with older and more experienced officers to mentor them.

This is standard practice.

How noticeable that New Labour are so inept that they have no idea how officers are trained after they leave tully.

Richard Baker brings a scare story into the public domain with regard the rank of those doing the training, the test Baker is do they hold the qualifications in the field they are teaching.

Labour are such clowns.
18

Los Angeles,

09/04/2009 23:53:34

The Scottish Labour Party is just as inane as the Union Jack bloggers on threads - compliments stick in their craw.

A policy announced? Mock it as unachievable.

A policy achieved? Mock it as half-baked.

A 1,000 more police realised? They must be ex-traffic wardens.

How do they train Labour ministers? Poorly. So poorly they are forced to fake their expense claims to survive. Some cannot afford a fourth home and make do with three.

"These Labour MSPs deserve the very best training we can give them," said a Labour spokesperson.

"All they get are a handbook on jeering, a map showing where their constituency lies, and an old Tory Party joke book."

Ewan Randall said, "Can anybody tell me where I left my compendium of vacuous questions?"



 

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