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Published Date: 18 March 2009
CONTROVERSIAL plans to introduce minimum prices for alcohol depend on the result of an internal struggle among Labour MSPs.
The Scotsman has learned that some of them might be prepared to support the SNP's flagship proposal.

That is despite Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, coming out against advice from his chief medical officer, Sir Liam Donaldson, to introduce mini
mum pricing south of the Border.

In Scotland, with the Liberal Democrats and Conservatives in Holyrood opposing the measure, Labour's support is vital.

The picture was further complicated yesterday, when the Law Society for Scotland warned that minimum pricing might break European competition law and be reserved to Westminster.

Senior Labour figures made it clear that any support would be conditional on legal issues being addressed.

Richard Baker, the party's justice spokesman, added it would also require the Scottish Government to introduce "proper", full-scale legislation – where the issue would be fully debated – instead of trying to use devolved regulations.

But there is believed to be a split within his own group, with Andy Kerr, the former health minister, leading opposition to minimum pricing. Other senior figures support it.

"There are discussions taking place within the group," said Mr Baker. "However, we still need to see proper detail from the Scottish Government before we can make a decision.

"But if that doesn't come forward, we realise that we are going to have to look at some radical policies ourselves."

Labour was not the only party to be divided on the issue. Yesterday, further evidence of Lib Dem splits emerged.

The Scottish party opposes minimum pricing because of concerns for the whisky industry. But the UK party's home affairs spokesman, Chris Huhne, backed it and attacked other parties for their "crassly irresponsible" opposition.





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1

webwise,

Scotland 17/03/2009 22:06:10
Now, if we covered Holyrood in a mature fashion then this wouldn't be seen as a headline, it should be par for the course that MSP's vote for the good of the nation.
2

Soosider,

Glasgow 18/03/2009 01:28:58
It is to be hoped that this is a sign of healthy debate within the Labour Group in Holyrood, and not just manoeuvring for short term political gain. This countries relationship with alcohol is probably the most serious issue facing us, as it affects so many ares of our lifes from health, policing, crime, deprivation. We need all our politicians to get on board to help develop a long term strategy.
3

Peripatetic Pensioner,

Travelling in the warm 18/03/2009 05:46:20
I am a pensioner with a pensioners income. Whilst in Scotland I slake my drink habit with 10 pints of Deuchars and a bottle of red a week. Binge drinker, I think not. So as a pensioner that dosn't smoke or use illegal drugs I am to have my intake of pleasurable stimulants taken beyond fiscal limit because of a bunch of experimenting youngsters or do I get a pensioner's chit to allow me discounted pints?
4

fife runner,

18/03/2009 06:18:07
#4 that is quite a high intake. Is that in a pub or bought from supermarket. If the latter perhaps that is why the prices must be put up a bit. If froma pub at pub prices then perhaps you can afford a bit extra if you are able to sepnd that on drink. Do not forget it is pubs who will benefit as supermarkets use drink as loss leaders. Meaning, we pay more for other goods to allay the loss.
5

Old Siggy,

Dunbar 18/03/2009 06:58:48
Raising the price of alcohol will not put the slightest dent in Scotland's drinking problem. Those who want to continue binge drinking will find the money. They will eat less, go deeper in debt, steal from their mammy's purse - whatever it takes to feed their habit. If Holyrood enforced longstanding legislation such as prosecuting publicans who continue to serve customers who are already clearly drunk then our town and city centres would be safer on Friday and Saturday nights.
6

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18/03/2009 07:49:19
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18/03/2009 08:03:10
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TWC,

18/03/2009 08:06:41
All scotland's anti social problems need a huge spending increase and that means that we need to take all our revenues and from Holyrood direct them at our problems rather than at Trident, British Embassies and all the other costs of staying in the big boys club.
This idea may help if it really focuses on the cheap drink and cuts some people out, but it won't be the answer.
9

Salthorse,

RWAV 18/03/2009 08:42:22
TWC,

Great idea, IMO I think it's going to take a generation or two and a huge social change in our attitude towards drink if we are to change behaviour. After living in Italy for 3 years I witnessed very few drunk people in my time, they enjoy themselves without getting tanked and fa'in doon. There is huge poverty where I was living but it didn't resort tae getting pished every nite for the local populace.
10

Des' Dad,

18/03/2009 09:16:53
I find it incredible that any government believes it can solve its drink problem by increasing the price of alcohol. Binge drinking is carried out by the young, reasonably wealthy people who indulge themselves on a Friday or Saturday night. If their habits impinge on others then the police should clamp down on them and those who sell them too much drink in the first place. The laws are already there.
Under-age drinking is another problem that can be solved by the police using existing laws to fine premise who supply the kids with the stuff.
Why should others have to pay more for drink simply because the police cannot, or will not, do their job.
11

bill-alba,

fife 18/03/2009 09:29:03
If they have to rely on labour msp's then it won't happen - no way are they going to buck the party system. #11 I don't believe that they think they will solve the problem but that these measure will assist in solving the problem...as for them being told it may be illegal and be challenged by the eu..are they saying that it will be legal for westminster who won't be challenged by the eu! typical double speak and lies by the british.
12

TWC,

18/03/2009 11:05:10
11 Des' Dad,
I watched 6 - 15 year olds drinking a bottle of Bucky each at a Junior football match. This increase in prices at the bottom may help along with more police activity and SIGNIFICANT increase in Fiscal Autonomy in Scotland. We have different needs from the South (not I didn't say Engalnd) The UK is like the old saying

Fur Coat and nae Knickers

we have plush embassies round the world, chair G20 meetings, have nuclear weapons a seat at the UN but our people in some areas only average 58 years of life.

What killed the most in Scotland in the last 30 years WMDs or drink?
13

TWC,

18/03/2009 11:07:45
Cont'd
We have MPs earning £63K expenses which allow unreceipted lunches of £25 so 4 Lunches equals £100 while the OAP gets £96/week to pay for everything.


Dump trident.
14

Number 6,

Germany 18/03/2009 11:43:31
There are discussions taking place within the group," said Mr Baker. "However, we still need to see proper detail from the Scottish Government before we can make a decision.

"But if that doesn't come forward, we realise that we are going to have to look at some radical policies ourselves.

Good grief, look at some radical policies ourselves????

Careful there labour you know that will end in failure.

Credit where it's due though. They at least seem to realise that unlike Brown, they cannot be seen to not give a hoot about alcohol's devastating effect on society.

It would be wonderful if they voted with the SNP for the sake of the country. Maybe then they will realise, they can be a REAL scottish labour Party, and not just the humiliating london controlled group currently sitting in Hollyrood.

Let's work together for independence,then Scots can settle back down into genuine Scottish, Left, Right and Centre parties.

The status quo will not take us forward one single step. You must ask yourself, what kind of future do I want for myself and my family?
15

Des' Dad,

18/03/2009 13:41:46
Good grief. This has deteriorated into the usual rant by tartan tories that independence will solve all our problems. Get into the real world.
Putting up the price of booze will do NOTHING to prevent under-age drinking. The use of existing laws by police to stop the purchase of alcohol along with stronger parental influence on these kids might help the problem although in some of the cases its the parents who are to blame.
16

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/03/2009 14:11:10
If this daft legislation ever does make it to be law, it is conclusive proof that the nazis have finally managed to take over Scotland.

The last one out, turn out the lights....
17

greenhill,

18/03/2009 15:02:16
Re fife runner,18/03/2009 06:18:07

You really are a pious prat. I could easily drink 10 pints of Deuchars (it is only 4.4% in bottles and I think less in draught) and a bottle of red in one day.

What do you mean that would be a high intake for a week. What a load of nonsense.

As far as I am concerned the SNP and Labour can **** off. I will get hold of drink at low cost one way or another.

18

Miss H,

18/03/2009 15:50:03
3 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

The idea of a party which has the likes of Christine Grahame, Chris Harvie and Bill Wilson on the back benches and Mike Russell and Alex Neil on the front bench is hilarious.

What is the difference between SNP and Labour on policy? The SNP is old fashioned enough to decide policy at party conferences by a vote of delegates. It has been a long time since Labour did that.
19

Miss H,

18/03/2009 15:57:03
11 It is not increasing the price of alcohol across the board. It is legislating to prevent the practice of deep discounting - using alcohol as a loss leader to increase footfall. To spell out what I mean shops sell alcohol at a loss - they sell it at less than they paid for it - in order to attract customers.

There is nothing wrong with the practice of loss leading in itself but it would be better if shops used items like bread, milk or fruit for deep discounting instead of alcohol. Alcohol is not simply a grocery product. It is a drug.

20

Miss H,

18/03/2009 16:01:12
19 If you can easily drink 10 pints and a bottle of red wine in one day I don't think we need to worry about your opinion because you won't be around for much longer. Either your liver will pack in or you will end up seeing pink elephants and then forget your own name.

Try a cup of tea for a change.
21

greenhill,

18/03/2009 17:04:24
RE:Miss H,18/03/2009 16:01:12

Away ye go ya silly woman and make me a cup of tea.
22

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/03/2009 17:49:35
Greenhill:

"it is only 4.4% in bottles and I think less in draught"

Correct. It is 3.8 in draught.

I concur with your statement about drinking 10 pints of the stuff a day plus a bottle of wine. Spread out, it is not a great deal.
23

Miss H,

18/03/2009 18:29:14
24 So you think drinking ten pints of beer and a bottle of wine a day is not a great deal.

This explains a lot.
24

greenhill,

18/03/2009 18:56:52
RE Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,Edinburgh 18/03/2009 17:49:35

3.8 is not good enough and discriminates against pub drinkers.Deuchars need to sort that out.

If someone drinks 10 pints of that in a week plus 1 bottle of wine then they are nearly teatotal in my view
25

lulach mac gille coemgain,

18/03/2009 23:30:31
What’s the goin’ price for a wånk these days?

 

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